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Topic: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: flythere
Posted 2011-07-29 04:34:24 and read 33131 times.

Airport officials say some 300 passengers were rushed off an Egypt Air plane that caught fire before takeoff from Cairo.

The officials say an electrical short in the cockpit caused the fire early Friday as the plane was scheduled to fly to Jiddah, Saudi Arabia.

The passengers were rushed off the plane to a transit hall as firefighters put out the flames. The officials said two firefighters were later taken to the hospital to be treated for smoke inhalation.

More to read: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...t/2011/07/29/gIQAZuwkgI_story.html

Seems that these days the greatest threat to commercial aviation comes with fire onboard, not weather.

[Edited 2011-07-29 04:55:59]

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300 Onboard
Username: wilco737
Posted 2011-07-29 04:36:09 and read 33122 times.

Quoting flythere (Thread starter):
Airport officials say some 300 passengers were rushed off an Egypt Air plane that caught fire before takeoff from Cairo.

Good that all are safe...

Quoting flythere (Thread starter):
Seems that these days the greatest threat to commercial aviation comes with fire onboard, not weather.

Fire has and will always be my greatest fear when flying... I never ever want a fire on board!   

wilco737
  

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300 Onboard
Username: MSYYZ
Posted 2011-07-29 04:37:39 and read 33109 times.

Thanks God it didn't happen after take off ..

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2011-07-29 05:19:06 and read 32744 times.

Any news on type or reg?

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: robffm2
Posted 2011-07-29 05:37:31 and read 32510 times.

Right now there seems to be no more information.

On emirates247.com there is a pic, not sure whether it's related or not.

http://www.emirates247.com/news/worl...engers-onboard-2011-07-29-1.410319

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: oldeuropean
Posted 2011-07-29 05:38:34 and read 32486 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 3):
Any news on type or reg?

With 300 pax it should be a 777-300ER.

[Edited 2011-07-29 05:39:50]

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2011-07-29 05:50:30 and read 32320 times.

Quoting oldeuropean (Reply 5):
Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 3):
Any news on type or reg?

With 300 pax it should be a 777-300ER.

Not necessarily, can also be a 777-200ER (capacity 319 pax) or A330-300 (capacity 301 pax). As far as I can see MS uses about all its possible equipment on the CAI - JED route.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2011-07-29 05:53:06 and read 32308 times.

Not a good week for aviation.
747 crash in Jeju, Oven fire over Sydney, AA 777 engine failure at DFW, Small plane crash in Manchester and now Egypt Air cockpit fire.  

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: lowrider
Posted 2011-07-29 06:43:32 and read 31983 times.

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 1):
ire has and will always be my greatest fear when flying... I never ever want a fire on board!

I have to agree with you there, especially at 030W or 170E. Hopefully we will start to see a push for more flame retardant or fireproof materials, along with better extinguishing technology.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: wilco737
Posted 2011-07-29 06:45:30 and read 31979 times.

Quoting lowrider (Reply 8):
especially at 030W or 170E

Oh boy, no thanks!! Me not want.

And hopefully people STIOP frigging to smoke on board and cover up the smoke detectors!!!!!!    How stupid can one be?!

wilco737
  

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: KFlyer
Posted 2011-07-29 08:00:14 and read 31668 times.

It was SU-GBP - 'Nefertiti' - B777-200ER LN71. Was scheduled for MS667 CAI-JED. Passengers were flown out on a different aircraft at 1343L (original ETD 0915L).

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2011-07-29 09:09:18 and read 31120 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 10):
It was SU-GBP - 'Nefertiti' - B777-200ER LN71. Was scheduled for MS667 CAI-JED. Passengers were flown out on a different aircraft at 1343L (original ETD 0915L).

Whoa talk about wierd...I was just looking at my model of that exact plane late last night before heading to bed.....I know it's OT, but still wierd.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: KFlyer
Posted 2011-07-29 09:33:46 and read 30460 times.

WesternA318, beware of your superpowers !   Now what if you looked at a model of a 787 flight test aircraft ?

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2011-07-29 09:37:30 and read 30366 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 12):
Now what if you looked at a model of a 787 flight test aircraft ?

I don't have a 787 mode, nor willI ever, lol, you'll never get me to step foot on it..lol.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Captintut
Posted 2011-07-29 10:42:07 and read 29051 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 10):
It was SU-GBP - 'Nefertiti' - B777-200ER LN71. Was scheduled for MS667 CAI-JED. Passengers were flown out on a different aircraft at 1343L (original ETD 0915L).

That was indeed the plane... I had a friend of mine that works in public relation and she told me that the smoke was filing up the tube and only one door was used to escort pax off.. I'm sure there are lots of questions and i don't want to go in speculations on what happen or why emergency doors were not deployed... I will keep you guys posted as I get more info.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: RJLover
Posted 2011-07-29 10:50:33 and read 28856 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 7):
Oven fire over Sydney

It was NOT an oven fire! It was the SMELL of smoke on board that prompted AC34 to return to SYD.

Sorry for the OT post, but I had to clarify that.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Captintut
Posted 2011-07-29 11:12:01 and read 28455 times.

if you are using facebook... here is a video of the accident

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....70863801&id=693850530&notif_t=like

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: mir2069
Posted 2011-07-29 11:29:29 and read 28090 times.

Not a good week for aviation.
747 crash in Jeju, Oven fire over Sydney, AA 777 engine failure at DFW, Small plane crash in Manchester and now Egypt Air cockpit fire.



plus 2 DL mad dog engine blow ups this week alone?
plus DL took out 4 frames in taxiing (1-a333/763/738/cr900) this doesnt include the AF A380 incicdent
Whatis going on @ maintenance

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Captintut
Posted 2011-07-29 11:56:41 and read 27624 times.

Quoting mir2069 (Reply 17):
Whatis going on @ maintenance

I guess that's what you get with bad maintenance... I'm goad at least that there was no fatalities in most of those accidents

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: flythere
Posted 2011-07-29 13:07:57 and read 26488 times.

Quoting Captintut (Reply 16):
if you are using facebook... here is a video of the accident

http://www.facebook.com/video/video....=like

opps..... content removed and the link is dead..

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: aa61hvy
Posted 2011-07-29 13:14:01 and read 26366 times.

Quoting mir2069 (Reply 17):
plus 2 DL mad dog engine blow ups this week alone?
plus DL took out 4 frames in taxiing (1-a333/763/738/cr900) this doesnt include the AF A380 incicdent
Whatis going on @ maintenance

AA MD80 lost an engine on takeoff at DFW too this week (going to ONT), pilot declared an emergency. Heard it live on an ATC feed.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: worldliner
Posted 2011-07-29 13:20:22 and read 26244 times.

Thank god everyone got out alright.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: MYT332
Posted 2011-07-29 13:56:36 and read 25679 times.

Quoting flythere (Reply 19):
opps..... content removed and the link is dead

No it' still there. I'm a bit confused by what they were trying to do with that baggage loader type thing near the cockpit.

Also, for what it is worth, here is the Facebook comment from that video translated (badly) from Arabic to English. Make of it what you will.

"EgyptAir B772 SU-GBP MS667 Gate F7
to save 300 passengers after a fire in the cockpit passenger plane belonging to Egypt Air on Friday due to short circuit, and is currently control the fire after the evacuation of 300 passengers were on the m Ten aircraft. "During the willingness of the commander of the Egyptian plane Boeing 777 for takeoff trip No. 667 of the Cairo International Airport to Jeddah, was surprised by the occurrence of fire in the cabin stood up under the supervision of the crew unloaded the passengers and the 300 pilgrims to the transit hall."
The civil defense forces to control the fire and the passengers and their baggage safely, but The cabin of the aircraft suffered substantial damage as a center of the fire. And are now cooling the plane.
Operations Center told the occurrence of fire cabin leadership aircraft of Egypt Air and spread to other parts of the plane was immediately evacuated the passengers and there have been some cases of suffocation and the occurrence of serious damage by air and, unfortunately, lack of control over fire, cutting down the plane of the 777/200 to quell the fire was completely control the fire before it spread to the building and our Lord compensates the EgyptAir plane and Praise God that the plane was on site 7 did not take off only after the disaster. The plane was called Nefertiti and the new company received in 1997"
Four hours ago ยท 1 person

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: egyptair269
Posted 2011-07-29 17:22:14 and read 23228 times.

I haven't heard anything about this on the local news here in Cairo, strange. Maybe it will make the morning papers tomorrow.

Good to hear everyone got out safe. Cairo Fire Department reporting that in total 7 people were taken to hospital: http://avherald.com/h?article=44078aa7

The video someone linked in one of the posts above seems to have been removed, if anyone can find pics and/or videos of the incident that will be much appreciated.

[Edited 2011-07-29 17:27:42]

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2011-07-29 17:32:27 and read 23086 times.

I wonder how big the fire was? If the fire crews were up in the flightdeck pouring water or foam everywhere then I wonder if given the age of this 777 and the fact they were trying to lease out their 77Es, whether they will even bother fixing it.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: egyptair269
Posted 2011-07-29 18:06:26 and read 22979 times.

Okay I was just watching the News Headlines on National TV, and there was no mention whatsoever of this incident.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: egyptair269
Posted 2011-07-29 18:16:58 and read 23063 times.

Found a video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYV_K...AI5g&feature=player_embedded#at=13

But it seems to have been taking in the early stages, before Emergency services arrive. Wow, lots of smoke though and it was parked right at the gate.

If anyone finds anymore pictures or video please do share.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: KFlyer
Posted 2011-07-29 18:18:12 and read 23271 times.

Is this aircraft still intact or not ? The good side of this is that MS probably won't suffer any capacity problems as they have cut down the network. But the level of fire sounds too bad. Will this become the third 777 hull loss ?

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2011-07-29 18:25:03 and read 23206 times.

Quoting KFlyer (Reply 27):
Will this become the third 777 hull loss ?

OK, I know about the BA crash at LHR, what other 777 hull loss has occurred?

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: mabadia71
Posted 2011-07-29 19:12:43 and read 22716 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 28):
OK, I know about the BA crash at LHR, what other 777 hull loss has occurred?

According to aviation-safety.net only that one. But their is a total of 7 occurrences in the db http://aviation-safety.net/database/type/type.php?type=107

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Captintut
Posted 2011-07-29 21:37:31 and read 21675 times.

Here are few pics





Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: litz
Posted 2011-07-29 21:49:08 and read 21397 times.

Oy .. with that kind of hole burned through by the FO's seat, it must be really bad inside.

Can't see if it burned through the roof in these pictures ...

Also, what's that dark area under the nose? Another burn-through, or a hatch perhaps into the EE bay?

Presuming the hole in the hull is fixable, there's gotta sizable electrical, water, and fire damage inside, esp. in the cockpit.

- litz

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2011-07-29 21:50:11 and read 21336 times.

Wow..that looks very scary. Thank God it didn't happen in the air!

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2011-07-29 22:32:28 and read 20987 times.

Wow, that would not have been good with a 300 knot wind rushing by..

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: kaitak
Posted 2011-07-29 22:36:48 and read 21004 times.

Quoting litz (Reply 31):
Presuming the hole in the hull is fixable, there's gotta sizable electrical, water, and fire damage inside, esp. in the cockpit.

It's a fourteen year old aircraft, so I would tend to assume it will be declared a write off; as you said earlier in your message, there is probably a lot of damage inside the acft as well. They can always use parts and fittings from the aircraft on others in the fleet.

As far as I'm aware, there is only one previous 777 write off, which was G-YMMM. Both non-fatal, so the 777 still retains its unprecedented safety record. No mass-produced airliner in history (over 900 in service) has gone 16 years without a fatal accident.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2011-07-29 23:25:56 and read 20551 times.

Quoting litz (Reply 31):
Oy .. with that kind of hole burned through by the FO's seat, it must be really bad inside.

Can't see if it burned through the roof in these pictures ...

Also, what's that dark area under the nose? Another burn-through, or a hatch perhaps into the EE ba

That is an open hatch.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: DL_Mech
Posted 2011-07-30 00:05:31 and read 20313 times.

Isn't that hole the location of the F/O oxygen mask?






From: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...100_1862_ReallySM.jpg



[Edited 2011-07-30 00:15:04]

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2011-07-30 00:10:58 and read 20238 times.

Wow, I have to say that before I saw the photo I assumed that this was a typical media over-reaction to a minor incident, but seeing that damage sent a shiver through me. Whatever it was, it developed rapidly, very fortunate that it happened on the ground, at the gate.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: EMAman
Posted 2011-07-30 02:57:24 and read 18711 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
As far as I'm aware, there is only one previous 777 write off, which was G-YMMM. Both non-fatal, so the 777 still retains its unprecedented safety record. No mass-produced airliner in history (over 900 in service) has gone 16 years without a fatal accident.

I dont think there has ever been a pax fatality on an A340 either? That also has 17 years in service.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: TheSonntag
Posted 2011-07-30 03:14:14 and read 18514 times.

Quoting EMAman (Reply 38):
I dont think there has ever been a pax fatality on an A340 either? That also has 17 years in service.

That is correct. It came pretty close though, both the Iberia accident and of course the AF accident were pretty bad. Also, one AF A340 burned out. And there are much less A340 around.

However, it is true that aviation has made a significant step forward with the 747 400, 777, A330 (despite the AF crash) and A340 compared to older 747s, older a300s and older DC 10s (and MD 11, but thats another story).

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: ZANL188
Posted 2011-07-30 04:38:42 and read 17528 times.

Does the side window have window heat?

Boeing investigators are having a busy weekend with this and Asiana accident to look into.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Chrisba777er
Posted 2011-07-30 04:47:51 and read 17429 times.

I'd guess a write off here as well - looks nasty.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: BoeingVista
Posted 2011-07-30 06:39:56 and read 17077 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):

As far as I'm aware, there is only one previous 777 write off, which was G-YMMM. Both non-fatal, so the 777 still retains its unprecedented safety record. No mass-produced airliner in history (over 900 in service) has gone 16 years without a fatal accident.

Well there was a fatality during a refueling accident in Denver but no, no PAX fatalities.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Aesma
Posted 2011-07-30 13:55:37 and read 16387 times.

Strange that a full blown evacuation with slides wasn't initiated.

There was a Varig 777 that got scrapped due to poor maintenance records IIRC, so an "economic write-off".

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 40):
Boeing investigators are having a busy weekend with this and Asiana accident to look into.

Don't forget the 737 in Guyana.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2011-08-02 05:41:16 and read 14861 times.

Wow, that looks like there was a serious fire inside. I'm sure the damage is also much more widespread inside.
It will be interesting to hear what caused this.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: na
Posted 2011-08-03 23:44:12 and read 14241 times.

This is one of the oldest 777s, with about 2/3rd of its projected life behind, plus Egyptair is replacing them by 77Ws at the moment. The chance this plane will be declared a write-off is high.
Thank god it happened in the air, it would have marked the first major 777 desaster, a type which has been unproportionally lucky so far in that (with the notable exception of BA) all serious incidents didnt result in losses.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-08-04 14:56:56 and read 13796 times.

Reminds of the ASA CRJ-200 cockpit fire at Tallahassee, Florida (TLH) in 2009. The aircraft was repaired. NTSB summary:

ASA Airlines flight 5533, a Bombardier CRJ-200 - registration: N830AS, experienced a cockpit fire on the ground shortly after external power was applied to the airplane in preparation for flight. The captain and one flight attendant evacuated the airplane via an airstair without injuries. They were the only individuals on the airplane at the time. The fire department extinguished the fire after it had burned an approximate 18 inch hole through the left upper cockpit crown skin. The flight was to be flown from Tallahassee Regional Airport (TLH), Tallahassee, Florida, to Hartsfield Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL), Atlanta, Georgia.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: garpd
Posted 2011-08-05 00:06:05 and read 13373 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
It's a fourteen year old aircraft, so I would tend to assume it will be declared a write off;

I'm not so sure. Age isn't always a factor. Cycles/Hours remaining on frame see to take more of a role.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2011-08-05 00:27:31 and read 13316 times.

Quoting garpd (Reply 47):
Quoting kaitak (Reply 34):
It's a fourteen year old aircraft, so I would tend to assume it will be declared a write off;

I'm not so sure. Age isn't always a factor. Cycles/Hours remaining on frame see to take more of a role.

I wonder if the 'easy' solution could be just replacing the entire section 41. Of all major repair jobs possible with aircraft, this seems less complicated than for example replacing a wing or a tail section. But I guess they'll have to change the entire interior as well, to get rid of the smell of smoke that must be all over the cabin.    If they intend to transport passengers with it, at least.

Topic: RE: EgyptAir Cockpit Fire With 300pax Onboard
Username: hal9213
Posted 2011-08-05 02:27:32 and read 13117 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 11):
Whoa talk about wierd...I was just looking at my model of that exact plane late last night before heading to bed.....I know it's OT, but still wierd.

I agree it can be a chilling weird feeling. Same with having flown a plane, which crashed later. Or: On June 1st, 2009 at around 02:00Z, I flew in a KLM 77W next to huge enormous thunderstorms over India, and I told my friend next to me, how beautiful the high-frequency lightnings are, and how I love to fly next to (not through!) thunderstorms. We sticked to the window for 20min, saying "waaaow" and "coool".
Guess my feeling the next day, especially because it was guessed that the thunderstorms were a main cause for the AF447 crash.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 39):
However, it is true that aviation has made a significant step forward with the 747 400, 777, A330 (despite the AF crash) and A340 compared to older 747s, older a300s and older DC 10s (and MD 11, but thats another story).

Well, we should wait until the still rather new 777 and 330 are sold and handed over to 3rd-country airlines and the likes. Statistically, there is much more operational error rather than technical faults, which are more likely to happen at those airlines.

[Edited 2011-08-05 02:28:48]


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