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Topic: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: ridgid727
Posted 2011-08-11 17:45:39 and read 7558 times.

According to an article from KSL News in Salt Lake City, Skywest if axing about 170 jobs in Utah. I've posted the link to the story below. Read the comments. Had no idea their staffing hated their management so bad.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=16763713

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: ramprat74
Posted 2011-08-11 18:49:43 and read 7317 times.

The last time they cut in SLC. A lot of them ended up in PDX. I wonder how many this time around will come?

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: malaysia
Posted 2011-08-11 19:18:56 and read 7213 times.

I heard that SkyWest also laid off like 70-100 workers at SFO this year too, when UA took the above wing from them

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: F9Animal
Posted 2011-08-11 20:10:30 and read 7039 times.

Quoting ridgid727 (Thread starter):
Had no idea their staffing hated their management so bad.

Notice how one of the posters was with the airline 10 years ago? I worked for OO about 17 years ago, and I thought the management team was great. We had just gotten our very first CRJ's!

I don't think we can gauge those comments as to the consensus feelings of management.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: malaysia
Posted 2011-08-11 22:10:10 and read 6746 times.

Was this just reduction due to schedules, or Delta taking the ground handling away from SkyWest?

This older 2009 article seems confusing

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7...ng-Utah-economy-is-losing-air.html

[Edited 2011-08-11 22:12:22]

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: AZNCSA4QF744ER
Posted 2011-08-11 22:37:50 and read 6673 times.

Looks like OO is trying go get away with ground handling. Who's next to get axes, LAX or DEN?

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: Goldenshield
Posted 2011-08-11 22:43:26 and read 6651 times.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 4):
Was this just reduction due to schedules, or Delta taking the ground handling away from SkyWest?

Schedule reduction, mainly. It mentions in the article that fall generally has a fall-off from summer, but this fall is scheduled with a larger fall than years past.

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 5):

Looks like OO is trying go get away with ground handling. Who's next to get axes, LAX or DEN?

They are not DL. Unless UA were to reduce the schedule at those cities beyond the standard Summer-Fall reduction, it's status quo.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: mayor
Posted 2011-08-11 22:45:31 and read 6639 times.

Even as far back as 2003-2004 DL agents were taking over jobs in SLC from Skywest agents on the ramp because, quite frankly, Skywest couldn't handle the load.......every morning they would line up about a dozen or more empty bag carts and the DL agents would help Skywest sort their first bag connections of the day and THEN, the DL rampys would do the connections for them. They always had a terrible turnover problem and this contributed to DL folks taking over.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: Transpac787
Posted 2011-08-11 22:56:19 and read 6598 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 7):
Even as far back as 2003-2004 DL agents were taking over jobs in SLC from Skywest agents on the ramp because, quite frankly,

Since ground handling between DL/DLC in hubs isn't done on attrition, this would be a delightful figment of your imagination  

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 5):
Who's next to get axes, LAX or DEN?

OO just won the RFP in DEN for UAX ground handling until mid-2014.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: mayor
Posted 2011-08-11 23:05:38 and read 6572 times.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 8):
Since ground handling between DL/DLC in hubs isn't done on attrition, this would be a delightful figment of your imagination

Well, apparently they didn't need a contract change in SLC for them to get help from the DL ramp.........It DID happen, at least in the time period I mentioned and up until I retired in 2005.  


There were times when DL would send connection agents over to Skywest to help them make any connections.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: as739x
Posted 2011-08-12 01:08:48 and read 6416 times.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 2):

In San Francisco, we were replaced above-wing by mainline United. So CS and Ops were taken over. At the same time the ramp staffing was increased. Flights increased from 120 to 141 daily. So all agents that didn't want to transfer were offered furlough or bump into another station of positions were available. The numbers didn't approach 70-100. And many opted to transfer to the ramp were they continue to work with the company.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: gcb5196
Posted 2011-08-12 12:10:24 and read 4340 times.

Turn over hasn't been an issue since the last furlough, and this furlough is not performance based. Skywest consistantly operates on time 20% above what Delta does with their Skywest flights, with less people. I don't hold anything against Delta, I have a lot of friends at Delta, this is just business. It's the nature of the industry and the part that hurts is that we will lose a bunch of good employees and there is nothing we can do about it.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: Transpac787
Posted 2011-08-13 21:42:26 and read 2637 times.

Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
Well, apparently they didn't need a contract change in SLC for them to get help from the DL ramp.........It DID happen, at least in the time period I mentioned and up until I retired in 2005.

But not in the way you originally suggested. If you just said it correctly the first time, there would be no need for me, or anyone else, to call your bluff.  

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: splitterz
Posted 2011-08-13 22:05:20 and read 2601 times.

Quoting AZNCSA4QF744ER (Reply 5):
Looks like OO is trying go get away with ground handling. Who's next to get axes, LAX or DEN?

That is ludicrous. OO just won a brand new contract in DEN to continue regional handling this year. The 170 people getting furloughed is because of schedule reduction.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: mayor
Posted 2011-08-14 07:53:18 and read 2351 times.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 12):
Quoting mayor (Reply 9):
Well, apparently they didn't need a contract change in SLC for them to get help from the DL ramp.........It DID happen, at least in the time period I mentioned and up until I retired in 2005.

But not in the way you originally suggested. If you just said it correctly the first time, there would be no need for me, or anyone else, to call your bluff.

Whether you like it or not, the DL agents WERE taking the jobs over from OO. It was an everyday occurence....not just a "hey, this is OO....can you send some guys over to help us out?". There might be a chance that it is still that way, today.


However, in the case of the original topic, I doubt if it's because DL agents have taken over their jobs.......just merely a reduction in force because of the economy and a winter pulldown in the schedule. Chances are, some of those jobs may be back, next spring.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: gcb5196
Posted 2011-08-14 11:41:10 and read 2222 times.

Mayor, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. It is far from an everyday occurence as long as I've been around. The last furlough there was a transfer of jobs from OO to DL nothing before and nothing since until now. Unless a DL runner picking up a dropped bag is considered doing someone else's job. And the only time we call DL is to come and pick up their bags from behind our plane so we can get it loaded and out on time.

On the original topic it could have everything to do with DL taking the jobs. OO handled flights are reducing, are the DL handled OO flights reducing? If we still worked our own flights the cuts may not have to be as deep. Again, nothing we can do about it so we will keep working until the next big change.

My heart goes out to any of those that are going to lose their jobs in this tough economy.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: mayor
Posted 2011-08-14 17:19:56 and read 2027 times.

Quoting gcb5196 (Reply 15):
Mayor, I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. It is far from an everyday occurence as long as I've been around. The last furlough there was a transfer of jobs from OO to DL nothing before and nothing since until now. Unless a DL runner picking up a dropped bag is considered doing someone else's job. And the only time we call DL is to come and pick up their bags from behind our plane so we can get it loaded and out on time.

I never mentioned a furlough of OO workers, did I? All I said was that DL agents were covering OO jobs on the ramp in some cases.......bag sorting, making connections, etc. I don't think that Skywest was able to handle it, with the way they were staffed at the time. If they had, the DL agents wouldn't have been doing that, everyday.....and trust me......I was at SLC for 23 years and I saw that for about the last three years I was there. Now, it may have changed after I left in 2005, because I do know that Skywest took over the DL mail sort belt under D concourse and started using it to sort connection bags. They moved mail sort over to the DL cargo building.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: gcb5196
Posted 2011-08-14 22:35:18 and read 1807 times.

Quote:
I never mentioned a furlough of OO workers, did I?



I thought you did when you said

Quote:
However, in the case of the original topic, I doubt if it's because DL agents have taken over their jobs.......

I made the point that these cuts are worse because of the first cut when DL did take over jobs from OO.

I agree with you that this is for flight reductions, not what you first implied. And I am not arguing with you prior to 05, I'll take your word. But both furloughs happened after 05 and I will report to you that things must of changed a lot after you retired.

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: dlramp4life
Posted 2011-08-15 02:05:54 and read 1715 times.

Maybe this could be leading to something....Perhaps a new ground handler on the table? A ground handler that has a direct connection with Delta...Regional Elite....They already handle RJ service in DTW and MSP for hubs and have alot of smaller line stations around the country

Topic: RE: OO To Lay Off 170 In Utah
Username: mayor
Posted 2011-08-15 07:49:55 and read 1638 times.

Quoting gcb5196 (Reply 17):
Quote:
I never mentioned a furlough of OO workers, did I?



I thought you did when you said

Quote:
However, in the case of the original topic, I doubt if it's because DL agents have taken over their jobs.......

I made the point that these cuts are worse because of the first cut when DL did take over jobs from OO.

I agree with you that this is for flight reductions, not what you first implied. And I am not arguing with you prior to 05, I'll take your word. But both furloughs happened after 05 and I will report to you that things must of changed a lot after you retired.

Sorry, but my whole point was that DL agents were doing some of Skywest's jobs in SLC, prior to '05. I don't think it had anything to do with whether or not there were any furloughs (probably just short staffing), but it may or may not have led to furloughs, later. I never meant to imply, otherwise. Some people, particularly in the KSL comment page of the article, were complaining about OO vs DL agents and who did the job better, etc. Perhaps this is what led me to reply the way I did.


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