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Topic: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2011-10-27 09:51:17 and read 8357 times.

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

*AA JFK-AUS FEB 0.8>0 MAR 1.0>0
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0
*AA ORD-HNL MAR 0.7>0

AB JFK-TXL MAY 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0
AB LAX-TXL MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.4
AB MIA-DUS MAY 0.5>0.7 JUN 0.6>0.7
AB SFO-DUS JUN 0.3>0.4

AM MIA-MID FEB 0.6>0.4
AM ONT-GDL JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.4>1.0
AM ORD-GDL JAN 0.8>1.0 FEB 0.7>1.0
AM ORD-MTY FEB 0.7>0.6
AM ORD-ZCL DEC 0.3>0.4
AM SAT-MTY FEB 0.6>0.7

AS PDX-ANC MAR 2>1.3
AS PDX-ANC MAR 2>1.3 APR 2>1.7
AS SEA-ANC DEC 13>12 JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12
March is a weird time to cutback MCO.
*AS SEA-MCO MAR 2.0>1.3 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
AS SEA-MZT APR 0.3>0.1
AS SEA-OGG APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.6
*AS SJC-SMF MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0

B6 JFK-BQN DEC 3>1.7 JAN 3>1.8
B6 JFK-SJU DEC 7>8

BB SJU-VQS NOV 1.7>1.3 DEC 1.7>1.3 JAN 1.7>1.3 FEB 1.8>1.3 MAR 1.7>1.3 APR 1.7>1.3 MAY 1.7>1.3 JUN 1.7>1.3
*BB SPB-SSB NOV 0>12 DEC 0>12 JAN 0>12 FEB 0>12 MAR 0>12 APR 0>11 MAY 0>12 JUN 0>12
*BB STT-STX NOV 0>6 DEC 0>5 JAN 0>5 FEB 0>6 MAR 0>5 APR 0>5 MAY 0>6 JUN 0>5
*BB STX-VQS NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>0.8 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9 JUN 0>0.8
BB VQS-SJU NOV 1.9>0.7 DEC 1.8>0.7 JAN 1.9>0.7 FEB 1.9>0.8 MAR 1.8>0.7 APR 1.9>0.7 MAY 1.9>0.7 JUN 1.8>0.7

CA LAX-PEK NOV 1.6>1.5

CM MIA-PTY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5

CO CLE-IND JAN 3>4
CO EWR-BDL JAN 3>4
CO EWR-BUF JAN 5>6
CO GUM-NRT FEB 1.0>3 MAR 1.0>2

*DL ATL-BTV MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
DL ATL-BUF JAN 5>4
DL ATL-GCM APR 0.9>0.8 MAY 0.8>0.7 JUN 1.1>0.9
DL ATL-UVF MAY 0.5>0.7
DL BOS-YYZ JAN 2>1.9 FEB 3>1.9
*DL CVG-BWI MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL DTW-AVL MAR 2.0>1.0 APR 2>1.0
DL DTW-AVP MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
DL DTW-CRW MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7
DL MEM-ATL MAR 10>9
*DL MEM-BWI DEC 1.9>0
DL MSP-SMF JAN 1.1>0.7
DL MSP-TUS JAN 1.0>0.6
DL MSP-YQR JAN 2>1.7 FEB 3>1.9
DL SLC-SJC MAR 4>5 JUN 4>5
DL SLC-YVR JAN 2>1.6 FEB 3>1.8

I think this is showing up because one of these codes exists in two places or has been reassigned.
EP BAM-THR NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.2
EP ILL-THR NOV 0>2 DEC 0>2 JAN 0>2 FEB 0>3 MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2

FL BOS-RSW DEC 2>1.4
FL MCO-BOS DEC 1.4>0.7
FL MCO-SJU DEC 4>3
FL MCO-STL DEC 0.8>0.4
FL MKE-CUN MAY 0.1>0
**FL PIT-CUN MAY 0>0.1

LI SJU-ANU NOV 1.4>1.3 DEC 2>1.5 JAN 1.8>1.5 FEB 1.8>1.6 MAR 1.7>1.6 APR 1.7>1.6 MAY 1.7>1.5 JUN 1.8>1.6
LI SJU-SVD DEC 1.0>0.8 JAN 0.4>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

P1 IAD-LUK DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4

TCX LAS-GLA MAY 0.2>0 JUN 0.1>0
TCX LAS-MAN MAY 0>0.2 JUN 0>0.1
TCX SFB-MAN APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0

UA DEN-BOS MAR 4>3
*UA IAD-YHZ FEB 0.5>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0.8
UA LAX-KOA MAR 1.0>1.8
UA LAX-KOA MAR 1.0>1.9
UA ORD-ALB MAR 5>3
UA ORD-BDL MAR 5>4
UA ORD-BOS MAR 9>7
UA ORD-BZN MAR 1.0>2
UA ORD-MHT MAR 3>2.0
UA ORD-PVD MAR 3>1.8
UA SFO-SLC MAR 4>5

US ALB-BOS MAY 1.7>1.0 JUN 1.7>1.0
US ALB-LGA MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US BDL-LGA FEB 4>5 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>4
US BHB-BOS MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2
US BOS-PBG MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7
US CHS-LGA MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7
US CLT-GPT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
US CLT-HHH MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US CLT-IAH MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US CLT-LGA FEB 12>11 MAR 13>11 APR 13>11 MAY 13>11 JUN 13>11
US CLT-MIA APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US CLT-MOB APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US CLT-MYR MAR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US CLT-PIT MAR 10>9 APR 10>9 MAY 10>9 JUN 10>9
US CLT-RSW MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
*US CLT-SAN MAR 1.1>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2
Salisbury will have 4 RTs???
*US CLT-SBY MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4
US CLT-SFO APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US CLT-TPA APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9
US CLT-TYS MAR 9>8 APR 9>8 MAY 9>8 JUN 9>8
US CLT-YUL FEB 1.7>3 MAR 1.3>2 APR 1.3>2 MAY 1.3>2 JUN 1.3>2
US DCA-BDL MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5
US DCA-BNA MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US DCA-CLT MAR 11>12 APR 11>12 MAY 11>12 JUN 11>12
US DCA-CMH MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6
*US DCA-GSP MAR 1.0>3 APR 1.0>3 MAY 1.0>3 JUN 1.0>3
US DCA-HHH JAN 0.3>0.1
US DCA-ORF MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3
US DCA-PIT MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6
*US DCA-RSW MAR 1.3>3 APR 1.3>3 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3
US LGA-ORF MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US PHL-BOS MAR 18>15 APR 18>15 MAY 19>15 JUN 18>15
US PHL-CMH MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7
US PHL-DCA MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 JUN 11>10
US PHL-LGA FEB 21>22 MAR 18>21 APR 18>21 MAY 19>21 JUN 18>21
US PHL-MCO MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
US PHL-MIA APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US PHL-PBI APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US PHL-RDU MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9
US PHL-RSW MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
*US PHL-SEA MAR 1.9>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
US PHL-YOW FEB 4>5 MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4
US PHX-CLT APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
US PHX-FLG FEB 7>8 MAR 6>8 APR 6>7 MAY 6>8 JUN 6>8
US PHX-LAX FEB 8>9 MAR 7>9 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>9
US PHX-LGB MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
US PHX-MRY MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3
US PHX-OAK MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5
US PHX-RNO MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5
US PHX-SAN MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
US PHX-SBP MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4
US PHX-SNA MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7
US PHX-YEG APR 1.5>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2

4???
*VX FLL-LAX FEB 3>4
VX SFO-SJD DEC 1.0>1.3

Y4 LAS-GDL DEC 1.3>1.6 JAN 1.3>1.8 FEB 1.3>1.9 MAR 1.3>1.9 APR 1.3>1.9 MAY 1.3>1.8 JUN 1.3>1.9
Y4 MDW-GDL DEC 1.0>1.2
Y4 MDW-MEX DEC 0.6>0.9 JAN 0.5>1.0 FEB 0.6>1.0 MAR 0.6>1.0 APR 0.6>1.0 MAY 0.5>1.0 JUN 0.6>1.0
Y4 MDW-MLM DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.7 FEB 0.3>0.8 MAR 0.3>0.7 APR 0.3>0.7 MAY 0.3>0.7 JUN 0.3>0.7
Y4 OAK-GDL NOV 1.6>1.2 DEC 1.5>2.0 JAN 1.6>2 FEB 1.6>3 MAR 1.5>2 APR 1.6>2 MAY 1.5>2 JUN 1.6>2
Y4 OAK-MEX NOV 0.5>0.3 DEC 0.6>0.7 JAN 0.6>0.8 FEB 0.6>0.9 MAR 0.6>0.9 APR 0.6>0.8 MAY 0.5>0.9 JUN 0.6>0.9
Y4 SAN-GDL NOV 0.7>0.5 DEC 0.7>1.0 JAN 0.7>1.0 FEB 0.7>1.0 MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.7>1.0 MAY 0.7>1.0 JUN 0.7>1.0
Y4 SAN-MEX NOV 1.0>0.8
Y4 SJC-GDL NOV 1.4>1.1

ZK DEN-PIR DEC 1.7>3 JAN 1.7>3 FEB 1.8>3 MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.7>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3
ZK DEN-PUB DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2011-10-27 10:27:41 and read 8067 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS SJC-SMF MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0

Bummer to see this going way  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: AV8AJET
Posted 2011-10-27 11:30:13 and read 7725 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-BTV MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

When did this route start up again?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2011-10-27 12:54:41 and read 7422 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AS SJC-SMF MAR 0.9>0.3 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0

Not sure I get this one as a stand-alone. It's part of the the SJC-SMF-BOI and SMF-SJC-BOI round robin. So I would have expected to see changes to the remaining part of that.

What are they going to once a day:

SJC-BOI
SMF-BOI?

I didn't really think that routing was intended to get much SJC-SMF traffic in itself.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-MZT APR 0.3>0.1

IIRC, this flight used to be once a week during the entire season. It ends in April (as does SEA-SJD and SEA-PVR and SJC-SJD) so this is expected.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0

Is AA ending MAO for good? Didn't DL also do very poorly to the destination and it was speculated that AA from MIA would do better?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: DeltaRules
Posted 2011-10-27 13:01:45 and read 7390 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
P1 IAD-LUK DEC 0.5>0.3 JAN 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.6>0.4

Wow, commercial flights to Cincinnati-Lunken? Who's P1?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2011-10-27 13:09:45 and read 7340 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-BTV MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

When did this route start up again?

I believe they have basically delayed its start from MAR to JUL.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0

Is AA ending MAO for good?

It appears so. No AA service is now scheduled.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS SEA-MZT APR 0.3>0.1

IIRC, this flight used to be once a week during the entire season. It ends in April (as does SEA-SJD and SEA-PVR and SJC-SJD) so this is expected.

More Mexico cuts. You haven't seen it in my change report because they did it with stealth (the flights were never loaded and thus never changed), but DL has cut back their Mexico service from all the former NW hubs for the upcoming season.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2011-10-27 13:16:55 and read 7294 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 4):
Wow, commercial flights to Cincinnati-Lunken? Who's P1?

Aviation Technologies, Inc?
http://aviationtechnologiesinc.com/

I wouldn't expect they would have their listings in the database.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: Midex461
Posted 2011-10-27 13:19:44 and read 7280 times.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 4):
Wow, commercial flights to Cincinnati-Lunken? Who's P1?

Comes up as Aviation Technologies, Inc dba PublicCharters.com

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: nkops
Posted 2011-10-27 13:47:27 and read 7150 times.

Quoting Midex461 (Reply 7):

I believe this is being operated by Ultimate Jet Charters with the 328Jet..

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Salisbury will have 4 RTs???
*US CLT-SBY MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4

I believe SBY is Piedmonts mx( and crew) base, so might just be to rotate them through.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: mah4546
Posted 2011-10-27 15:15:18 and read 6888 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0

Is AA ending MAO for good? Didn't DL also do very poorly to the destination and it was speculated that AA from MIA would do better?

AA has not even announced Manaus, yet. I wouldn't pay much attention to it, still planned to launch summer 2012.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2011-10-27 15:28:58 and read 6836 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-LGB MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5

This is where the additional slot US airways was awarded at Long Beach is going i guess

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: FURUREFA
Posted 2011-10-27 15:41:57 and read 6768 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-BTV MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0

This isn't cancelled, it's just been pushed back until the late spring/early summer.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: FutureUScapt
Posted 2011-10-27 18:51:55 and read 5908 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 10):

This is where the additional slot US airways was awarded at Long Beach is going i guess

US already flies PHX-LGB 5x daily during most parts of the year, though one flight is typically a CRJ which only requires a commuter slot.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: miaami
Posted 2011-10-27 19:15:21 and read 5768 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 9):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA MIA-MAO JUN 0.3>0

Is AA ending MAO for good? Didn't DL also do very poorly to the destination and it was speculated that AA from MIA would do better?

AA has not even announced Manaus, yet. I wouldn't pay much attention to it, still planned to launch summer 2012.
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceRoutes.jsp#!international

First MIA-VLN cancelled now it looks like MIA-MAO may not happen.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2011-10-27 19:46:32 and read 5596 times.

Quoting miaami (Reply 13):
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceRoutes.jsp#!international

There are several interesting things in here:

DFW-PTY, DFW-MBJ, BOS-CDG; ORD-DUB and ORD-FCO are remaining seasonally (so far). AA is resuming LAX-FLL.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: mah4546
Posted 2011-10-27 20:55:10 and read 5287 times.

Quoting miaami (Reply 13):
http://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/newServiceRoutes.jsp#!international

First MIA-VLN cancelled now it looks like MIA-MAO may not happen.
AA has not announced MIAMAO whatsoever. That is just a list auto-pulled from the schedules, not an announcement. You can't find a press release for MIAMAO, or MIAVLN for that matter.

MIAVLN is delayed at no fault of AA - the Venezuelan government has again denied AA landing rights. My guess is that they might give them the landing rights if Laser is approved for FLLCCS. I don't think it's a coincidence that the rights were pulled not long after Laser applied for FLLCCS.

Manaus will launch in summer 2012. Nothing has changed as of now. Porto Alegre is rumored to launch alongside Manaus, but that is still just a rumor.

What is happening at MIA, though, is a complete moratorium on new flights taking off and landing between 9AM and 1PM due to baggage system problems.

[Edited 2011-10-27 20:58:27]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: ASMD11
Posted 2011-10-27 21:34:10 and read 5122 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 3):

What are they going to once a day:

SJC-BOI
SMF-BOI?

I didn't really think that routing was intended to get much SJC-SMF traffic in itself.

It looks like it's going to become BOI-SMF-PSP and BOI-SJC-LAX as well as returns.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2011-10-27 21:49:38 and read 5074 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 5):
More Mexico cuts. You haven't seen it in my change report because they did it with stealth (the flights were never loaded and thus never changed), but DL has cut back their Mexico service from all the former NW hubs for the upcoming season.

No it's a normal seasonal thing. AS doesn't serve Mexico direct from SEA year round. They do from LAX. I wouldn't call this more Mexico cuts.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2011-10-28 05:15:43 and read 4516 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*AA ORD-HNL MAR 0.7>0

Is this route coming back in April?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-CRW MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7

Side question, but I wonder if DL is going to serve CRW from LGA

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2011-10-28 06:23:04 and read 4334 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 18):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL DTW-CRW MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7

Side question, but I wonder if DL is going to serve CRW from LGA

Do they need political support for anything? LOL

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 17):
AS doesn't serve Mexico direct from SEA year round.

I know, but they reduced the number of peak frequencies.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 15):
AA has not announced MIAMAO whatsoever.

All I know is that it has been for sale for a while starting in Summer 2012 and now it isn't. Listing a flight in OAG is an announcement of a sort.  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2011-10-28 06:53:44 and read 4237 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 18):
Side question, but I wonder if DL is going to serve CRW from LGA

I think the route would do well for them given AA can make it work, with no other market presence.

Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Do they need political support for anything? LOL

Ok lets be realistic just for a sec. The vast, vast majority of air service at CRW isn't politically influenced. There are the exceptions to that ( as there are everywhere ), but I don't think that comment is warranted.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: chopchop767
Posted 2011-10-28 06:56:24 and read 4219 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 18):

WOW! Even if they are cutting back, UA added flights from the west coast to Hawaii.

I recall hearing that the ORD to HNL flights for both carriers were both magnets for frequent flyer mile redemptions and therefore not very profitable? Is that still the case? Assuming that the seats available for FF redemption were reduced, I'm still surprised AA couldn't make it work. I wonder where that plane will be used?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2011-10-28 06:58:02 and read 4210 times.

Quoting Kcrwflyer (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Reply 19):
Do they need political support for anything? LOL

Ok lets be realistic just for a sec. The vast, vast majority of air service at CRW isn't politically influenced. There are the exceptions to that ( as there are everywhere ), but I don't think that comment is warranted.

@ CRW perhaps it is infrequent, but for places like Beckley and Bluefield and Elkins and Morgantown it is almost the whole equation. HTS is probably in between. Also, I would disagree it is comparable with other places. NY state is the only other that comes to mind as being in the same league. There was a time when JAN was in the same league, but that time has passed.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: Kcrwflyer
Posted 2011-10-28 10:16:06 and read 3761 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
@ CRW perhaps it is infrequent, but for places like Beckley and Bluefield and Elkins and Morgantown it is almost the whole equation.

2 of those cities have no service and the other 2 are EAS. MGW supports their flights well from my understanding. BKW should probably pack it in.

Quoting enilria (Reply 22):
Also, I would disagree it is comparable with other places. NY state is the only other that comes to mind as being in the same league. There was a time when JAN was in the same league, but that time has passed.

JAN has Southwest because of politics. I don't see them here. Nor do I see any routes that wouldn't otherwise be in an airlines system.. the ONE exception being LGA on AA.

How I wish we were in the league JAN was once in....

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 10/28/2011:AS/DL/FL/UA/US
Username: steeler83
Posted 2011-10-28 13:04:31 and read 3560 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
**FL PIT-CUN MAY 0>0.1

What the devil is this?


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