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Topic: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TN486
Posted 2011-10-23 03:07:32 and read 19813 times.

Good evening all. Feeling very lazy at present, so here is our new thread and any reference to previous discussions can be made by referring to:. Australian Aviation Thread #54 (by TN486 Sep 17 2011 in Civil Aviation). Interesting times ahead for QF and DJ, please continue your discussions here, cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Ben175
Posted 2011-10-23 08:45:57 and read 19660 times.

Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Does anyone know how long the BA 777 chartered by the Queen will stay for in PER during CHOGM? Any other impressive aircraft to spot over the week?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jetfuel
Posted 2011-10-23 17:53:05 and read 19445 times.

Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/qan...irks-singapore-airlines-2011-10-23

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-10-23 20:20:27 and read 19314 times.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):

SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-10-23 22:43:28 and read 19214 times.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Did they protest when Jetstar Asia started up... ? Or is it just becayse this new carrier will be premium ?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-10-23 23:01:38 and read 19198 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 3):
SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!

...they could set up a couple of asian hubs? SIN and HKG would both work quite well. SIN for connections to south east asia as well as its use to QF as a long haul hub, while HKG is perfect location connecting through to mainland china, south korea and japan.

When you say you were hopeing for a chinese hub, are you thinking the likes of PVG or PEK? HKG actually would work better, for pax say flying to HGH or NGB for example, connecting via HKG pax can be through checked to final destination, where as going via a hub in mainland china, like PEK or PVG for example, pax cannot be through checked onto domestic routes to get to these destinations (have to clear baggage at first point of entry into mainland china due customs rules). So the transit process isn't as quick for connections like HKG can be.

SIN does make sence...question is would QF really want to enter its oneworld partner CXs turf? these airlines should be working closer together with codeshares rather then competing.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-10-24 00:09:41 and read 19133 times.

one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

If there is business traffic between Indonesia and China, I would think Singapore Airlines (among others) would already be carrying it - Singapore Airlines has some four daily flights on SIN-PEK with big planes. Jetstar must think SQ are seriously overcharging people for flying this route.

If RedQ starts operating out of SIN - and BB has said that the A320neo will have the range to do SIN-PEK - is BB expecting to take Business Class passengers out of SQ? If he provides connections between Jakarta and Singapore to Beijing, will people really want to sit in a sleeper seat between CGK and SIN (90 minute flight)?

IF (IF) it turns out that Qantas are on to a winner, and surprises everyone, the easy way for SQ to respond would be to turn Silkair into a Premium carrier. They can operate the same A320neos as RedQ.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2011-10-24 00:14:15 and read 19113 times.

An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-10-24 00:36:11 and read 19081 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

The funny thing about this was the big deal they tried to make of it in the media as a 'win' for MEL travellers. It was so badly executed that most in a few minutes could see straight through it for what it really was. If they wanted to spin a positive, atleast do it well.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 1):
Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Will be great to see PER get more service. Love it over there.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Protests from its own workers, Singapore Airlines and likely half the globe at this rate. Will be an interesting ride  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-10-24 02:58:03 and read 18949 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 7):
An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,

Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

[Edited 2011-10-24 02:59:31]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-10-24 03:44:33 and read 18861 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 9):
Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-10-24 05:43:19 and read 18760 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for.

I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-10-24 12:54:15 and read 18638 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way

If the All Blacks managed to defeat Australia in the RWC (which happened, just in case the people who follow AFL did not hear about it) the NZ PM and the Australian PM had a bet that the PM of the losing country would have to eat an apple produced in the winning country. So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qfa787380
Posted 2011-10-24 14:16:12 and read 18588 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 12):
So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.

Hopefully some non-diseased ones 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-24 14:27:08 and read 18579 times.

An apple, Mmmmmm, that's easy fixed, just get quarantine to declare it a hazard and destroy it !!
Sure has been plenty of extra capacity between AKL and SYD in the last day or two, no doubt for the rugby and most of them probably wearing black and heading back to Bondi, etc.
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-10-24 14:31:21 and read 18571 times.

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 13):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Perhaps some ad hoc stops in Auckland to pick up NZ apples for the Sydney market. (It should be a stop at CHC so they can pick up some nice Central Otago varieties.)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-24 14:54:42 and read 18542 times.

Funny man Alan, but we have plenty of excellent apples right here thankyou !!
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-10-24 18:23:16 and read 18410 times.

Saw this on another forum re Skytrans TWB-SYD

Plans for air services take off

Adam Davies | 20th October 2011


THE Toowoomba business community has applauded a proposal by Skytrans to operate regular passenger flights out of Toowoomba airport.

Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Senior Skytrans executives met with business leaders at City Hall on Tuesday, where the plans were unveiled.

Local business owner and Toowoomba Chamber of Commerce president Geoff McDonald said regular services were long overdue.

"This is very exciting news for not only the business community, but also for the people of Toowoomba," Mr McDonald said.

"Regular services have been long overdue and it will certainly open up a plethora of opportunities for the city," he added.

The Chamber, along with The Chronicle, launched a campaign two weeks ago requesting the community to register their support and interest in destinations prior to Tuesday's meeting.

"Skytrans were shocked at the level of community support and feedback that was received by the Chamber within such a short period.

"They were certainly surprised and now realise that there is overwhelming interest and a market here for services.

"I have to applaud The Chronicle for their support in this matter. It has been fantastic," Mr McDonald said.

Despite the services being largely targeted to business and industry personnel, Mr McDonald said that it was the first step to further connecting Toowoomba with the rest of the country.

"Skytrans have made it quite clear that they are not targeting the leisure market to begin with.

"Apart from the mining and resources sector, a huge amount of interest was shown from businesses such as the University of Southern Queensland.

"However, as the services become established that certainly will most likely change," Mr McDonald said.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-24 21:53:24 and read 18277 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 11):
I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   

They should use the All Blacks plane!!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: shnoob940
Posted 2011-10-25 00:13:46 and read 18158 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Skytrans TWB-SYD

Beauty!!! Can't wait for that!

Plus, VH-TJJ, QF 734 has been sent to storage at AVV

gibbo

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-10-25 00:25:47 and read 18140 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 14):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 16):
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.

Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Very interesting indeed, especially the SYD flight.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2011-10-25 00:50:10 and read 18100 times.

Hey, I don't know if this has been discussed/asked before.

Yesterday, I drove from the domestic terminal at PER to the international terminal on the newish road that lets one bypass using Tonkin Hwy.

On the way there I saw that they were building what looks like a viewing platform or something similar, which would have great views of runway 03/21. Can anybody confirm that this is a viewing platform? I drove by pretty quick so I might be mistaken.

If it is, when will it open?

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-25 02:50:24 and read 17994 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Yes they did for quite a few years too. That flight started around the same time the original SYD flight started which only lasted a few months. Sounds like this one though is for a specific forwarder, the flight to SYD comes from ORD and as I mentioned earlier heads back nonstop to LAX, so obviously they are not expecting big loads out of SYD. The aircraft routes through Asia on the way to the U.S. then to SYD, then back to Luxemburg through the U.S. quite some routing for the aircraft.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

SYD is probably in the better position as the import hub, especially from the U.S. as seen by the number of freighters that operate into SYD from the U.S. particularly with regard to FX and 5X, both of which have large sorting hubs here. The flights usually arrive mid afternoon and it allows next day delivery for all customs cleared freight the next day for the vast majority of the country, plus N.Z.. There are also more connections to Pacific Islands from SYD than MEL.

For the rest who operate freighters into SYD, most do so into MEL as well, sometimes as a tag on, the exception is KE and EK.

Having said that, freighters from this country still carry mostly air !!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: EK413
Posted 2011-10-25 03:08:25 and read 17963 times.

Could someone please shed some light on the current ground works which have commenced around SYD....
I have noted a lot of work being carried out at various spots.... I know there is a NEW Airport Hotel currently under construction and probably new stand off areas for aircraft...
Would be nice to see images of the plans...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-10-25 03:21:23 and read 17943 times.

Can't find the link but rumour is going around that Vietnam Airlines is looking to buy the 70% not owned by QF in Jetstar Pacific. Initially I was against the idea, as reduces competition, however it appears that Vietnam doesnt want competition and has been trying to block JQ at every turn, so if they are part of Vietnam Airlines it will allow the airline to grow. It would also be interesting to see if any arrangements between QF and VN were to emerge.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-25 04:35:54 and read 17975 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 24):
however it appears that Vietnam doesnt want competition and has been trying to block JQ at every turn, so if they are part of Vietnam Airlines it will allow the airline to grow.

VN buying out JQ would be a move to shut down their Vietnam operations -- they wouldn't be buying to expand, they'd be buying to curb a threat before it takes too much traffic away...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-25 07:25:23 and read 17890 times.

FJ to get 3 x new 332's in March 2013. Could this mean they will hub over NAN, like NZ do over AKL esp to SFO & YVR ?

Apparently NZ gets lots of passengers going BNE-MEL/SFO or YVR. Only other options for BNE passengers to go to SFO are go UA via SYD or whoever via LAX. to YVR either go AC via SYD or whoever via LAX. Similarly for MEL passengers.

Would love to see 3 x 332's arriving in NAN from BNE, SYD, MEL about same times a few times a week. One could continue onto LAX, one could alternate between SFO & YVR. Could would with as few as twice a week initially.

Can't remember what frequency NZ started AKL/SFO & AKL/YVR with.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: NZ107
Posted 2011-10-25 13:57:11 and read 18005 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 26):
FJ to get 3 x new 332's in March 2013. Could this mean they will hub over NAN, like NZ do over AKL esp to SFO & YVR ?

Most likely they'll just continue the routes that are offered right at this present time.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-25 15:59:42 and read 17945 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 27):
Most likely they'll just continue the routes that are offered right at this present time.

they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.

[Edited 2011-10-25 16:04:13]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-25 17:45:41 and read 17837 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 28):
they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.

They're going to need more planes then... I agree PER a couple of times a week isn't a bad option.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-25 18:06:46 and read 17818 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 29):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 28):
they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.


They're going to need more planes then... I agree PER a couple of times a week isn't a bad option.

Why would they need more widebodies ?

Not talking daily. Could work if as little as twice a week.

Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-25 19:13:39 and read 17775 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Why would they need more widebodies ?

Not talking daily. Could work if as little as twice a week.

Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Well I'm not 100% up to date with their capacity or schedules, but even a two weekly NAN-PER flight (which is all I was suggesting) will utilise 2 full days worth of flying for one frame (it's an 8 hour flight each way...). If they're going to be upping frequencies to LAX/HKG as it being suggested in the other thread to cover the capacity drop from the 744 to A332 then there's not going to be a lot of space left in the fleet.

And I think the fact that NZ have useless connections PER-North America shows there's not a market there worth chasing after for them... They clearly make more money increasing the utilisation of their aircraft than optimising connections for a small PER-North America market which has fierce competition as it is.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: The Coachman
Posted 2011-10-25 21:08:28 and read 17683 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Think about when the PER-AKL flight would have to depart in order to connect to 1715 and 1915 departures to SFO and LAX.

Then compare this against offerings by QF to get to LAX via SYD or BNE.

Then compare against the offerings by CX via HKG (particularly if going to JFK) and soon to be CZ via CAN.

Then you'll see why NZ doesn't even bother.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-10-25 23:15:24 and read 17575 times.

People from Perth are used to flying to the USA via Asia. They have done that for years.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-10-26 01:54:05 and read 17450 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way  

That would make sense

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 14):
Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays

Do you know when they land?

And does anybody know how VC's rebranding is going?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-26 02:22:22 and read 17408 times.

Vaustralie, don't have it with me, but from memory it is around 1500 on Saturday and departure at 1900 same night. The inaugural last week however didn't land till after 2200 and left at sparrows on Sunday morning.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-10-26 02:43:17 and read 17368 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 35):
but from memory it is around 1500

Thanks for that, when I finally go on holidays I might go check it out! Cargolux is one I've not seen yet  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-26 04:13:10 and read 17274 times.

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 32):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Think about when the PER-AKL flight would have to depart in order to connect to 1715 and 1915 departures to SFO and LAX.

Then compare this against offerings by QF to get to LAX via SYD or BNE.

Then compare against the offerings by CX via HKG (particularly if going to JFK) and soon to be CZ via CAN.

Then you'll see why NZ doesn't even bother.

fair enough. PER/NAN then.

NAN a lot safer than good old Bali & no drug issues.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-26 05:30:12 and read 17187 times.

PER/NAN ?? Why ??
Why waste an aircraft for 2 days when it could actually be making money on the existing routes or more likely tourist targets such as China ?
FJ currently only have the 3 widebody aircraft, so realistically to think these 330's will open any new routes maybe pushing it, maybe building up the services to LAX and SYD maybe more likely, the latter especially, which currently sees daily 400+ seat 747's, the drop to say 300 seat 330's is a significant drop.
If West Australians really want to get to Fiji, they will continue to connex through SYD of BNE, it's not that much of a hardship !!!
And of course, no need to worry about drugs in Fiji just another military coup.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-26 16:53:20 and read 16944 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 38):
Fiji just another military coup.

What coup ? Last one postponed for rugby, which is far more important in Fiji.

Connecting at BNE or SYD from domestic to international (& v.v.) is a pain in the arse !!!

FJ's major problem ex Australia (BNE, SYD, MEL) is DJ because early morning dethey're looking at huge market ipartures ex SYD mean overnight aircraft at SYD. SYD also has JQ.

Maybe they are looking at huge market in mainland China ?

Just exploring options.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-10-27 01:22:14 and read 16722 times.

I agree PER-NAN-LAX will never work.

Anyway Alliance put their first Fokker 70 VH-QQX into service today on a FIFO resource charter BNE-MKY-BNE.

Another aircraft type in Australian skies.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-10-27 02:12:12 and read 16648 times.

JMM99, hey I know you are just exploring options, you have every right to. You do come up with some reasonable ideas at times, but sometimes, well they are a bit far fetched.
PER/NAN would never work, it is a waste of a plane really, the limited market that there is so easily served over SYD or BNE and while you have the idea that all Australians dread transferring through those ports because you have to change terminals, the mulitude of buses that run between the terminals in SYD tell a different story. Transfers are a fact of life travelling, whether they be under the same roof, by bus, train or monorail.
One other thing, you mention parents want to break trips so their kids get sleep, they maybe a factor on trips from say Europe to Oz, but from the U.S, get the bloody thing over and done with ASAP, I have 4 kids, the cost and disruption a mid trip stopover would cause, just doesn't figure into the convience of a nonstop flight, or the pure simple fact, that kids sleep the best in their own beds !!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-27 16:43:22 and read 16344 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 41):
PER/NAN would never work, it is a waste of a plane really, the limited market that there is so easily served over SYD or BNE

No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

FJ do routes like NAN/CHC. They only fly it once a week, but they didn't drop it after earthquake.

Routes like PER/NAN or ADL/NAN are never going to be a busienss route, so perhaps they could do these once a week as well.

7 night packages holiday packages work well. Hotels love them to, so wholesalers get better rates, which makes packages viable + if some passengers wanted more or less than 7 nights they could go on existing services via BNE, SYD or MEL or they really wanted to.

Would think PER/NAN & ADL/NAN would not be much longer than PER/AKL or ADL/AKL.

Lastly WLG/NAN surely would be a winner. Must be some money in WLG with allmthose highly paid public servants.

FJ could send a 737 down there once a week, freed up with new A332's flying a previous 737 sector or 2.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: The Coachman
Posted 2011-10-27 18:59:37 and read 16211 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
Would think PER/NAN & ADL/NAN would not be much longer than PER/AKL or ADL/AKL.

PER-NAN is longer than PER-AKL on the great circle route by approximately 600 miles.

PER-NAN great circle route takes it almost right over BNE.

Most PER people who want that kind of holiday will go to DPS anyway.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-10-27 19:37:27 and read 16160 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

Non stops are always the way to go for a numer of reasons - arrival time, length of flight, etc. You need to consider all the variables before going out and making rash statements. On my 2 previous overseas trips I took connecting flights on both outbound sectors. The first was Decembe 28 when I flew BNE-AKL-WLG on NZ. Why did I connect and not go direct? I didnt want to arrive at midnight - the 8pm arrival was a simple decision over a midnight arrival. And just recently when I took a 5 week holiday to Europe and I flew into Heathrow - no direct flights available, and even if there were a BNE-LHR direct I personally would not take it unless a I could afford to fly in business class, which unfortunately
like most people I'm confined to flying in economy. Would one want to be stuck in economy for 20 or more hours in one stint? Ask yourself that question. I for one am not one of those people.

In regards to PER-NAN, definitely wont work - almost no market, and an A332 is too much plane without the feed into Perth. Look at where PER currently have services to and tell me where you think they prefer to go for a holiday. Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Ben175
Posted 2011-10-27 20:48:11 and read 16096 times.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
In regards to PER-NAN, definitely wont work - almost no market, and an A332 is too much plane without the feed into Perth. Look at where PER currently have services to and tell me where you think they prefer to go for a holiday. Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.

Agreed 100%. As much as I would love to see FJ in PER (and hey, i'm a a dreamer!), it's just not going to happen. We'll see NZ PER-CHC direct years before PER-NAN.

However, I do think there is definitely potential for some "out of the box" routes from PER. Vietnam is a booming destination, so a 3 x weekly PER-SGN-HAN with a 332 could definitely be a winner. With CZ starting services to CAN, I think we'll definitely see direct services to PVG and/or PEK in the next few years on one of the big Chinese carriers. EY or QR are pretty much guaranteed, atleast one of them, in the next 2 years.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-27 22:28:33 and read 16020 times.

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 43):
Most PER people who want that kind of holiday will go to DPS anyway.

DPS is nothing like Fiji. Insult to Fijians.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.

Total different markets.

DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-27 22:44:12 and read 15988 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

I'll take a one-stop instead of a non-stop any time - and usually give myself a break at the stop as well.

On any long journey, I don't see the point of paying all that money just to get there unless there is some urgent reason to do so.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2011-10-27 23:03:17 and read 15967 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 46):
DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?

i think you have answered your question..

if DJ did it, and then cancelled it, who else do you think would do it and why would it work?

it wasn't that long along that they started.

ADL-DPS commenced at 2pw in Dec 2008, and ADL-NAN commenced as 2pw 4 June 2009.

ADL-NAN was dropped 1 May 2010, while ADL-DPS now operates 4pw.

[Edited 2011-10-27 23:26:33]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2011-10-27 23:09:10 and read 15968 times.

I drove past PER airport today, and saw a couple nice visitors for CHOGM, and somebody here break down for me the planes there.

I could see a Sri Lankan A340-300, a VS 747-400 (assuming this is for David Cameron, not the queen changing from BA), an Air India aircraft (could only see the tail), and a grey 747 (who's plane is this?).

These for airplanes were parked just beyond the international terminal. There were also a couple smaller planes (seemed like gov aircraft) parked in the vicinity, but I couldn't get a good look.

Anyway, an interesting mix for PER, but can somebody give some better details?

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-10-27 23:15:44 and read 15943 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 46):

I dont quite see how they are different markets - both are island beach destinations. Only difference is Bali is in Indonesia and is very anti-drugs, and Fiji is in the middle of the Pacfic. Different markets, highly unlikely. If you live in Perth, would you rather 8 to 10 hours flying each way to Fiji, or less than half that travelling to Bali? People's budgets are tighter than ever, and with the cheap holidays on offer in Bali, it's an affordable holiday destination. However, we'll likely be better here agreeing to disagree. Maybe a 757-200 or a 767-200ER have a much more suitable capacity if you wanted to start an airline to fly the route.

But still, FJ would be better off developing the routes they currently fly, and focusing closer to home. We'll leave it at that before I put my foot in my mouth and get myself banned from a.net.

On another note, is anyone in the loop as to how progress is on the Virgin rebranding is going in regards to repaints and refits? I'm likely taking a day trip BNE-SYD-BNE in Jan/Feb and BNE-CNS-BNE in March with them, so was curious as to the likelyhood of getting an aircraft in the new livery and new product.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-10-27 23:19:11 and read 15933 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 45):
With CZ starting services to CAN, I think we'll definitely see direct services to PVG and/or PEK in the next few years on one of the big Chinese carriers.

If I remember rightly, the CZ flights operate PER-CAN-PEK. So you already have DIRECT flights, where you sit on the same plane to your destination. Non stop flights PER-PEK might take a bit longer. One airline to look out for is Hainan, which likes to try some new routes. Does Perth have a Filipino Community? Flights to Cebu and Manila would be a possibility.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-10-27 23:19:31 and read 16032 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 46):
DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?

Yeah DJ tried it, briefly, and soon realised the market was too small, and more effective to just connect their pax via BNE.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
Lastly WLG/NAN surely would be a winner. Must be some money in WLG with allmthose highly paid public servants.

Same reason why flight from CBR to NAN aren't sustainable either, yes both are a wealthy market, but both cities populations are relatively small, the traffic volume just isn't there. Even the BNE, SYD and MEL services to NAN also have a decent percentage of an inbound transit market from many points of Australia to help fill those flights, and these are serving popuations of between 2-5 million!

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 46):
DPS is nothing like Fiji. Insult to Fijians.

Not really comparing the two destinations or the people, but they fall into the same type of holiday destination category...if people want an Island/Beach holiday (especially families), they are going to pick the cheapest, why fly 7-8 hours from PER to NAN, when DPS is only half the distance. Simply put, you will find NAN as more popular destination with australians in the eastern states because its closer! If hypothetically FIJI was four hours off the coast of Western Australia, you would not have nearly as many flights from the likes of SYD, MEL or BNE as we currently have, especially if their was a closer alternative! You would find that direct services would be more limited similar to the current number of non stop HNL services.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-28 06:42:53 and read 15737 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

Except families with young children of course...  
Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
In regards to PER-NAN, definitely wont work - almost no market, and an A332 is too much plane without the feed into Perth.

What about with the support of QF like FJ have out of SYD/BNE/MEL. I think it could be an interesting experiment for them to do for one summer...

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 50):
I dont quite see how they are different markets - both are island beach destinations. Only difference is Bali is in Indonesia and is very anti-drugs, and Fiji is in the middle of the Pacfic.

Have you ever been to either? Very different place IMO (and having visited both). Fiji is the relax, chill out, expensive and exclusive. Bali is party, wild, must more western and much more touristy. Australian have become so sick of Bali in recent years (a lot of negative stories and experiences) that they are actively avoiding visiting...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-10-28 14:26:32 and read 15616 times.

AUST-Bali has grown 25% in past 12 months.QF002 i suggest you check your facts.

http://www.visit-indonesia.com.au/Articlesaboutindonesia.php

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-10-28 16:43:21 and read 15506 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 53):
Have you ever been to either? Very different place IMO (and having visited both). Fiji is the relax, chill out, expensive and exclusive. Bali is party, wild, must more western and much more touristy. Australian have become so sick of Bali in recent years (a lot of negative stories and experiences) that they are actively avoiding visiting...

I can honestly say I havent - I dont want to go to Balu because of the endless party atmosphere, and Fiji is plain not attractive. If I want a relaxing holiday near the water and the beach I'll go to Cairns, Hamilton Island, Sunshine Coast, or if I want to go internationally I'll go to Port Moresby in Papua New Guinea - why Moresby? I know some of the locals, I can stay with them, and it has one of the best beaches I know - Ela Beach.

Still, Bali and Fiji both are good for beach holidays, and I for one can do those elsewhere and still for a much lower price. I may not quite see the logic of the difference of the Bali and Fiji markets, but I just dont see why people living in Perth would want to travel to Fiji and incurr the much longer travel times (and subsequently cost) when it is much easily within a family budget to go to Bali and is much closer. I guess it'll be one of the things I wont get my head around, but if an airline would start the PER-NAN route direct, make a profit on the route, and open the books on the route and I can see its profitable then I'll be happy to eat my words.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-28 18:41:38 and read 15423 times.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 55):
I can honestly say I havent - I dont want to go to Balu because of the endless party atmosphere, and Fiji is plain not attractive.

Suva's the pits, I'll grant you, but there are parts of Fiji that are beautiful, especially the out islands - they shot "The Blue Lagoon" on Turtle and Vatulele is gorgeous

http://www.turtlefiji.com/

http://www.vatulele.com/

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: NTLDaz
Posted 2011-10-28 18:54:34 and read 15398 times.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 55):
I dont want to go to Balu because of the endless party atmosphere

It's really not hard to get away from the party atmosphere. Just avoid the Kuta area.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-28 19:30:27 and read 15375 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 47):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

I'll take a one-stop instead of a non-stop any time - and usually give myself a break at the stop as well.

On any long journey, I don't see the point of paying all that money just to get there unless there is some urgent reason to do so.

I was talking nonstops from eg. PER/NAN, not SYD/LAX. Who wants to go through all the hassles of changing terminals at BNE or even worse SYD. It's also very time consuming.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 48):
if DJ did it, and then cancelled it, who else do you think would do it and why would it work?

DJ has no feed at NAN end !!! FJ has passengers from YVR & LAX & now with new AA codeshare agreement, 20 US cities.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-28 19:37:07 and read 15366 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 58):
I was talking nonstops from eg. PER/NAN, not SYD/LAX. Who wants to go through all the hassles of changing terminals at BNE or even worse SYD. It's also very time consuming.

I thought I had made the point that I would. I like one-stops and I don't mind changing terminals. I like airports, I like looking at planes.

One mo' time - why pay all that money just to get there? Enjoy the journey, I say.

And I really can't imagine any airline starting PER-NAN as a non-stop.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-28 19:40:29 and read 15367 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 59):
And I really can't imagine any airline starting PER-NAN as a non-stop.

Hey just trying to work out where FJ's new routes will be, come MAR 13 when they get 3 brand new A332's.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-28 20:05:17 and read 15360 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 60):
Hey just trying to work out where FJ's new routes will be, come MAR 13 when they get 3 brand new A332's.

It doesn't get 3 brand new aircraft on March 13.

The aircraft start to arrive in 2013 and, in the first instance, will replace the aircraft on the present routes.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-28 23:26:28 and read 15252 times.

The entire Qantas fleet - international and domestic - has been grounded and a lock-out begins on Monday.

That CEO has big iron balls, I'll give him that.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-10-28 23:45:34 and read 15185 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 62):
The entire Qantas fleet - international and domestic - has been grounded and a lock-out begins on Monday.

That CEO has big iron balls, I'll give him that.

But he is a lousy manager.

Qantas management has allowed this situation to become unnecessarily polarised. But at the end of the day there are two sides with opposite demands, and only one of them actually wants a negotiated settlement. And it's not the management!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-28 23:49:35 and read 15169 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 63):
But he is a lousy manager.

Unusually for me (I don't usually bet), I'll lay money that he wins.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-10-29 00:13:02 and read 15081 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 64):
Unusually for me (I don't usually bet), I'll lay money that he wins.

I won't.

We have a Labor government in Australia which is not that far from an election and needs to retain its core constituency.

The situation is similar to Reagan and the Air Traffic Controllers in 1981 - except it is management which is grounding the aircraft and causing disruption. And not the management of a failing company, but rather the management of a profitable concern.

People like Greg Combet and Bill Shorten are high up this government. I think today what has happened is that Alan Joyce has written his resignation letter and the odds on a renationalised Qantas before 2015 have shortened from something like 1000-1 to somewhere approaching even money.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Airvan00
Posted 2011-10-29 00:18:20 and read 15053 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 65):
We have a Labor government in Australia which is not that far from an election and needs to retain its core constituency.

Didn't the government say the other day, "sort it out or we will sort it out for you" We are a long way from an election, it is not due till end November 2013.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-29 00:19:17 and read 15074 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 65):
I won't.

Since you and I have a diametrically different view of most things, I'm not surprised.

And - again - let us not forget that he isn't acting on his own, he has the total support of the BOD and, as of yesterday, 97% of the shareholders.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-29 00:31:31 and read 15047 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 64):
Unusually for me (I don't usually bet), I'll lay money that he wins.

I agree. If Fair Work Australia get involved and go through the arbitration process then the final judgement will be a fair reflection of the facts. If what AJ is saying is true about QF's state, then we will probably see a very QF-favourable eventuality.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Airvan00
Posted 2011-10-29 00:35:07 and read 15049 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 68):

I agree. If Fair Work Australia get involved

I think they will be involved very quickly:

Quote "The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, tonight announced she will intervene in the dispute, launching an emergency application to force the grounded planes back in the air.

If successful the Gillard government will secure a ruling by Fair Work Australia to force Qantas and the unions to cease all industrial action."

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Ben175
Posted 2011-10-29 01:44:49 and read 14967 times.

I was at PER today to see the Queen fly back to the Motherland. The BA 772 is an absolutely stunning plane, but nothing came close to the gorgeous Air India 744 and Virgin 343 parked nearby. Alot of unusual aircraft laying around!

Really dissapointed they closed the observation deck. Instead, the public were forced to look through TWO fences, one incredibly thick limiting almost any clear photography.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: NTLDaz
Posted 2011-10-29 01:47:09 and read 14948 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 68):
If what AJ is saying is true about QF's state, then we will probably see a very QF-favourable eventuality.

Is what he is saying true ? It's a brave move to always take one side. Then again he can sail off into the sunset never needing to work again unlike just about everyone else who works for Qantas.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-29 02:58:46 and read 14899 times.

of course Qantas will win, otherwsie they might as well stay grounded forever.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-29 03:37:38 and read 14848 times.

Quoting NTLDaz (Reply 71):
Quoting qf002 (Reply 68):
If what AJ is saying is true about QF's state, then we will probably see a very QF-favourable eventuality.

Is what he is saying true ? It's a brave move to always take one side. Then again he can sail off into the sunset never needing to work again unlike just about everyone else who works for Qantas.

For him to be basically asking for the help of the government/FWA, who will trawl through finances etc then he can't be too worried about being called up on dodgy figures/accounting or an internal plan to deliberately reduce QF to ruin. While QF has undoubtably used PR spin in this issue, I doubt that anything they have said is untrue, otherwise those responsible are risking prosecution and prison/a ban from holding an executive position in the future.

The fact is, if QF cannot give into these demands because they are going to be ruined if they do then FWA will judge so that this doesn't happen...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-10-29 08:55:15 and read 14723 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 73):
The fact is, if QF cannot give into these demands because they are going to be ruined if they do then FWA will judge so that this doesn't happen...

That sums it up nicely!

Best move QF could have taken, now something has to happen, and the government has to pay attention.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 72):
of course Qantas will win, otherwsie they might as well stay grounded forever.

Too right!  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-10-30 13:57:12 and read 14458 times.

Does anyone know if this Is additIonal flying by Strategic?:

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...bit-of-a-drama-20111030-1mqhf.html

"He followed it up yesterday by thanking Strategic Airlines, which will now take the players to Perth for the match, the start of which was postponed by a day."

And shouldn't it be Air Australia by now?

mariner

edit: It's okay - I found the answer. It is additional flying and the rebrand is on 15 November:

http://australianaviation.com.au/201...l-some-qantas-grounding-void/"

Brisbane-based Strategic Airlines has announced it will put on additional relief flights between Brisbane and Perth on October 30, and Brisbane and Melbourne on October 31 to try to assist passengers stranded by the Qantas mainline grounding.

Strategic is in the process of changing its trading name to Air Australia from November 15."


[Edited 2011-10-30 14:03:44]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: smi0006
Posted 2011-10-30 16:20:25 and read 14373 times.

Now that Qantas is back in they air maybe some time for some good news from the airline?

The first newly reconfigured 744 started flights on the 17th of October, the press release can be found bellow;
http://www.qantas.com.au/regions/dyn.../details?ArticleID=2011/oct11/5205

Does anyone have any photos?

Qantas have also placed photos of their new 738 featuring the sky interrior. Although photos of business class have been removed, something to do with cloth seats being shown when they are supposed to have new leather seats.



Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-30 19:43:58 and read 14392 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 76):
Qantas have also placed photos of their new 738 featuring the sky interrior. Although photos of business class have been removed, something to do with cloth seats being shown when they are supposed to have new leather seats.

Here is the photo of the J seats:



No leather, but the same seats as the new A332's. Looks a bit bland I think overall, but still a good step up in hard product...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-10-30 21:48:34 and read 14272 times.

Heard from someoen at VC that they are putting on lots of domestic services to "help" with the backlog. Wonder when they started ?

Could they have flown sectors Sat night ? Do they need to tell anyone in advance ?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: pugsley
Posted 2011-10-31 00:14:21 and read 14206 times.

The new J class on QF VH-VZT. Taken a couple of days ago during a turn around in MEL, its taken me a while to work out how to post a picture. I like the colour.





[Edited 2011-10-31 00:31:32]

[Edited 2011-10-31 00:34:29]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2011-10-31 00:43:33 and read 14127 times.

Love the red "pleather"!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-10-31 00:47:10 and read 14135 times.

China Southern added Beijing to their BNE flight today and a spokesperson for the airline believed daily flights will happen soon.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Tassieboy
Posted 2011-10-31 01:41:35 and read 14075 times.

Personally, I think the QF BSI is a bit bland, the business class seats are disgusting too lol

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vhebb
Posted 2011-10-31 02:26:35 and read 14004 times.

Apparently all the domestic fleets biz seats will be converted to red leather...

Anyone know more?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-10-31 04:59:45 and read 13864 times.

I like the new look, glad to see PTV now  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jetfuel
Posted 2011-10-31 16:24:20 and read 13701 times.

That business class looks very down market. I would expect a larger IFE screen and just a more luxury feel

VA 777 operating SYD-MEL today as well

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Ben175
Posted 2011-10-31 16:36:09 and read 13696 times.

SQ are starting to bring back the retrofitted (SR) series 77Es to PER over the summer. I'm booked on SQ224 12 Jan and the aircraft is one of these birds.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-10-31 16:37:50 and read 13732 times.

I flew on the new 738 late last week, and here is my feedback for anyone who is interested:

The cabin looks nice, and modern. The interior is lovely - the ceilings and the overhead lockers are a huge advance on what went before.

Economy class has perfectly good seating, but the Business class seat width and pitch reminded me very much of long-haul Premium Economy, which highlights how overpriced it is, as a domestic Business Class return can be more expensive than a Trans-Pacific Premium Economy fare. If they were going to use a Premium Economy seat, something like the new Air NZ Spaceseat would have given a much more upmarket look and feel.

My other concern was the IFE. The screen looks great. But I'm used to the range of content which Air New Zealand has on the Tasman, and which Virgin has on domestic flights, and for flights over 60 minutes in length passengers are going to notice the utter poverty of content available. I've flown on this aircraft twice within a few days, and by the second trip I'd already exhausted the content which interested me, and was watching movies on my iPhone. Regular passengers will find the content pretty inadequate.

So overall not at all bad. But not superior to the new Virgin Australia aircraft. And it is interesting to watch Borghetti lifting Virgin standards to Qantas standards, and I suspect he intends to combine the Jetstar market at the back of his aircraft with a Qantas-style economy and Qantas-style business product further forward, and I don't think he'll be satisfied until the quality of product on offer for those full economy and business fares is superior to what his old employer can offer.

I fly BNE-PER shortly, and picked Qantas as the best product on the route. But if I were based in Sydney I suspect that I would have picked Virgin Australia, and I don't think that Qantas wants to lose a battle for the higher-yielding end of the market.

[Edited 2011-10-31 16:55:08]

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Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-10-31 20:44:32 and read 13563 times.

Quoting pugsley (Reply 79):
The new J class on QF VH-VZT. Taken a couple of days ago during a turn around in MEL, its taken me a while to work out how to post a picture. I like the colour.

Wow that's very nice! Now can we please get some colour down the back too Qantas? Time to leave the grey behind...

Quoting koruman (Reply 87):
My other concern was the IFE. The screen looks great. But I'm used to the range of content which Air New Zealand has on the Tasman, and which Virgin has on domestic flights, and for flights over 60 minutes in length passengers are going to notice the utter poverty of content available.

What range of content on DJ? Live2Air had virtually nothing besides News, Sports and Cartoons... And their latest A330 system isn't even AVOD. I found the content on QF to be perfectly adequate for domestic when I had the same system on an A330 flight, especially considering most hops are 2ish hours long... Maybe it's just your taste?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-10-31 21:29:26 and read 13544 times.

Air Pacific operated it's first flight with it's recently delivered 73H DQ-FJM to Brisbane today.This is it's first flight since delivery from Air Berlin.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-01 04:13:39 and read 13345 times.

Looks like HU will cancel it's SYD services on the 13th Feb 2012.

They don't seem to have done well on their SZX flights which they commenced to a number of destinations.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2011-11-02 13:50:05 and read 12979 times.

Air Australia Livery


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I do like it, but it almost seems that the money they spent on advertising Strategic was money not well spent. This is looks nothing like the old airline, and only a minimal amount of passengers will know the connection.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-02 14:03:28 and read 12954 times.

The aircraft arrived BNE around 1 am this am and the media announcement is at 11am today in their hangar in pandanus avenue.Apparently other announcements about the future will also be announced according to the media release.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: ditzyboy
Posted 2011-11-02 15:32:56 and read 12873 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 87):
My other concern was the IFE. The screen looks great. But I'm used to the range of content which Air New Zealand has on the Tasman, and which Virgin has on domestic flights, and for flights over 60 minutes in length passengers are going to notice the utter poverty of content available.

What was the length of your flight? Sectors under a certain duration have reduced content (no movies) on the 73H and domestic 332s. This system is a watered-down version of the 380 and 74N system (but may be better than what you experienced).

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jupiter2
Posted 2011-11-02 18:30:07 and read 12781 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 90):

Looks like HU will cancel it's SYD services on the 13th Feb 2012.

They don't seem to have done well on their SZX flights which they commenced to a number of destinations.

The talk is that HX will be doing HKG/SYD next N.S, so the lovely livery of HU will not be lost entirely. The plan at one stage was for HU to do 3 weekly from SZX and HX 4 weekly from HKG, to give a daily service, looks like it may have been just a bit early for the Australian market to have direct service to some of the secondary Chinese cities, no disrespect intended to Shenzen.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2011-11-03 09:52:53 and read 12425 times.

Not sure if this has been posted yet but the new Air Australia livery looks great as does the uniform (or more specifically the girl wearing it!... WOW!)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: viasa
Posted 2011-11-03 10:35:49 and read 12401 times.

Beautiful livery of the aircraft, a nice uniform and a very pretty flight attendant...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-03 12:08:26 and read 12391 times.

Quoting viasa (Reply 96):
Beautiful livery of the aircraft, a nice uniform and a very pretty flight attendant...

For me, there's an interesting little hint in the press release which I missed yesterday:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-australi...forms-routes-frequent-flyer-scheme

"Air Australia will take over Strategic's current international leisure destinations of Bali and Phuket, and launch new services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu from December 14.

This will be coupled with an onwards connection to the US mainland via a US-based partner airline."


I wonder which US based airline will be the partner?

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2011-11-03 19:47:48 and read 12164 times.

Mariner, I think chances are it will be Hawaiian.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-03 20:09:36 and read 12144 times.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 98):
Mariner, I think chances are it will be Hawaiian.

That was the first one that came to my mind, too. It makes a lot of sense.

I think the legacies are tied up already and Allegiant won't have a premium cabin when it starts Hawaii. Or doesn't yet.

Alaska, maybe?

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-03 20:32:04 and read 12133 times.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 94):
it may have been just a bit early for the Australian market to have direct service to some of the secondary Chinese cities, no disrespect intended to Shenzen.

The problem with SZX is that it is right next to CAN and HKG, and you can drive/ferry to both in under an hour. Kudos to HU trying, but CX and CZ aren't going to give up their 'other' market lying down.

On the other hand given that Shenzen is such an important trade and technology centre then if it was a bit more geographically remote it would probably have seen service years ago, potentially before Guangzhou

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 98):
Mariner, I think chances are it will be Hawaiian.

What with HA daily to SYD but not showing any interest in MEL or BNE and VC not interested in SYD due to the level of competition then this could actually work out quite well. It's just a shame HA don't fly anywhere east of LAS since BNE-HNL-NYC would be a dream route compared to the delights of LAX.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-03 20:50:47 and read 12122 times.

I have just done a search for flights CBR-LHR next June/July and was really surprised that Virgin Australia would have me route on SQ. I was under the impression that the VA/SQ partnership only applied to PER as far as Europe was concerned? Instead it routed CBR-SYD-SIN-LHR which I thought was odd...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-04 00:30:11 and read 12083 times.

HA have a partnership with VA/DJ, so not so sure it really does make that much sense.

There's numerous US options that fly extensive networks to the mainland. Will be interesting to see if they do sign any agreements.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-04 00:58:18 and read 12041 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 102):
HA have a partnership with VA/DJ, so not so sure it really does make that much sense.

The two partnerships would serve very different purposes. I see it working quite well actually, perhaps ending up as a three way partnership with VA handling Australian feed, HA/VC handling the long haul from 3 cities along the East coast and HA handling American feed.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-04 03:33:11 and read 11938 times.

Now, as many of you would know (and probably hate), I am an avid QF supporter. However, I recognise that times are changing in the aviation industry, and with the influx of foreign carriers into the Australian market, I wonder if QF should look at a merger partner. Not like the doomed bid of 2007, but a merger with an Asian or European airline.

British Airways is the key one that comes to mind, QF and BA have a very well established history and are similar in many ways. It would allow even greater cooperation on the kangaroo route, it would also allow lower operating/maintenance costs for both airlines.

Other possible airlines that QF would work well with (IMHO) are CX (even with the difficult relationship between the two, the two share many similarities (including alliance)), MH and EY (though wouldnt happen).

I know this has been talked about extensively before, however given recent events, what does everyone think on QF merging with another airline?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Julian773
Posted 2011-11-04 03:44:48 and read 11918 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 99):
Alaska, maybe?



Alaska would make sense IMHO.

They cover lots of major West Coast cities and have announced new Hawaiian routes recently IIRC.

I hope Air Australia will be more successful than Strategic !

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-04 05:40:47 and read 11825 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 104):

I know this has been talked about extensively before, however given recent events, what does everyone think on QF merging with another airline?
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 104):
British Airways is the key one that comes to mind, QF and BA have a very well established history and are similar in many ways.

You are right, British Airways seems to be the one that makes the most sence, a merger between these two airlines would help greatly with their struggle against the asian carriers. Infact as it stand really I think their codesharing should be extended, and the recent announcements of QF dropping BKK-LHR and BA dropping BKK-SYD makes alot of sence. If the airlines worked closer together, routes like the kangaroo route could be far more economical, and actually while many people say QF shoould increase their europe presence, if BA handled the europe sectors, QF could terminate all its services at the asian ports SIN, BKK, HKG, KUL and have connecting flights to european ports all on BA. Would cut both the airlines costs down and allow them to compete more directly with the asian carriers.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: BNE
Posted 2011-11-04 17:28:41 and read 11665 times.

V Australia are switching terminals at LAX from TBIT to Terminal 5.

Important Information for V Australia Guests Travelling to Los Angeles

Quote:

Updated Saturday, 5 Nov 2011 at 10:00AM AEST

From 6 November 2011, all V Australia flights will arrive at Terminal 5, Los Angeles International Airport – not Tom Bradley International Terminal as was previously the case.

Flights operated by V Australia will arrive at Delta’s Terminal 5 at Los Angeles International Airport, allowing easier and faster connections within the same terminal to the rest of Delta’s network, as well as access to new customs and immigration facilities in Terminal 5.

This move is part of a range of enhanced guest service initiatives introduced under the Joint Venture between Delta Air Lines and the Virgin Australia group of airlines, including an expanded codesharing agreement on flights between the United States and Australia and domestic flights within the United States.

For customers, the expanded codesharing means more options when booking trans-Pacific travel on Delta or V Australia, as well as benefits such as accrual of frequent flier miles and premium lounge access regardless of which airline operates the flight.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-04 18:16:26 and read 11609 times.

Quoting BNE (Reply 107):
V Australia are switching terminals at LAX from TBIT to Terminal 5.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this only applies to arrivals right?

Departures will continue to be from Terminal 3 (the Alaska Airlines terminal).

Even so, arriving into the Delta terminal will definitely be a good move since it actually makes it more convenient to connect VA-DL than QF-AA which still requires you to change TBIT--->Terminal 4.

However I'm wondering if there is actually room for them? If we work on 2 77W + the DL 77L arriving virtually simultaneously then I'm pretty certain space will be at a premium, Terminal 5 is fairly small after all and the majority of the gates are narrow body gates. Off the top of my head they can only park widebodies (including domestic 767) at the 5 of so gates at the end of the pier. I don't know when DL's Japan-LAX services arrive, but that could add further pressure to gate space.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-11-04 21:51:36 and read 11454 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 97):
http://www.ausbt.com.au/air-australi...forms-routes-frequent-flyer-scheme

"Air Australia will take over Strategic's current international leisure destinations of Bali and Phuket, and launch new services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu from December 14.

This will be coupled with an onwards connection to the US mainland via a US-based partner airline."

I think that's obviously the plan but don't hink it's sorted yet.

Allegiant would make sense though, as similar LCC models.

Allegiant fly to LAX, LAS & BLI now, so could easily see them flying from those 3 ports to HNL.

BLI is very close to YVR, so would suit passengers wanting to go to YVR + with Allegiant flying BLI/LAX, LAS & 4 other ports in the region, it would allow people to do YVR area, LAX/LAS area & home via HNL.

Allegiants major HUB is LAS (although don't think you can connect with them), still if people wanted to stop in LAS gives them huge range of onwards flights. LAS to around 45 destinations nonstop, although some very low frequency, probably as low as twice a week. Still they now have a fleet as big as DJ & their mad dogs although thirty, cost very little indeed, so they simply park them on quiet days of the week.

Maybe VC will have thru fare, with or without a stop in HNL.

Interestingly for skiers, Allegiant flies to 4 destinations in Colorado from LAS & one of these from LAX nonstop.

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRouteMapStatic.php



Don't think there's been any announcement yet, of exactly when Allegiants HNL 757 services will begin.

Can't remember how many 757 Allegint leased but think they were ex BA & were about 6 or 8 of them.

Apparently a 752 can seat up to 240.

Be interesting to see how many seats they put on them & if they do any thin nonstops from east coast to west coast.

[Edited 2011-11-04 21:57:59]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-04 22:03:50 and read 11440 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 109):
Allegiant would make sense though, as similar LCC models.

Sorry - very different models.

Most obviously, Allegiant does not have a premium cabin and does not offer connecting or one stop flights.

http://www.allegiantair.com/aaRouteMapInteractive.php

I think Allegiant is terrific and fills a real niche, but it relies very heavily (more so than most) on ancillary revenue - you have to buy pretty much everything except your seat and it relies as heavily on selling package (airfare/hotel) deals.

I don't think this is the plan Mr. James has for Air Australia.

Would Allegiant be better than nothing? Sure - but it hasn't announced actual Hawaii service yet.

The most obvious one on the list - to me - is Alaska, who'll code share with just about anyone.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: JMM99
Posted 2011-11-04 22:22:42 and read 11465 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 110):
I don't think this is the plan Mr. James has for Air Australia.

Air Australia's model is apparently, to buy everything, food, drinks, checked baggage, probably preferred seating. How is that different from Allegiant ?

Thinking about is, smart move would be for Allegiant to time some of their HNL/LAS/HNL services to meet VC services from Australia, thereby offering 1 stop to LAS from BNE & MEL avoiding LAX.

This then opens up possibility as well for VC passengers to continue, perhaps after a LAS stopover onto Allegiants other services to 45 ish possible destinations.

There are LAS casino charters from HNL nearly every day using Omni 752's/DC10's.

Apart from this only HA flies HNL/LAS nonstop (widebodies 332/763's 18-20 times a week)

Can a 757 do HNL/Colorado ?

Some fo the ports Allegiant fly to in Colorado probably have short runways, but it would give skiers another option in winter to get to Colorado, again avoiding LAX.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-04 22:32:24 and read 11428 times.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 111):
Air Australia's model is apparently, to buy everything, food, drinks, checked baggage, probably preferred seating. How is that different from Allegiant ?

I believe it is offering one checked bag free and I haven't heard it will charge for preferred seating.

Allegiant is much close to Ryanair in model whereas (I believe) Air Australia is using Air Asia X as the model.

As you would see on the route map I linked, Allegiant flies to very few major airports or even major cities - it doesn't serve New York or Chicago or Dallas/Fort Worth at all.

Allegiant would be okay if they could get over the connecting tickets problem - but I believe there are better options.

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-04 22:33:53]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-11-04 23:31:40 and read 11384 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 106):
I know this has been talked about extensively before, however given recent events, what does everyone think on QF merging with another airline?

I do not know if it is a good thing, but the next development could be Qantas joining a multinational group like IAG. This is a bit more involved than just an alliance, but if issues about ownerships and nationalities of the airlines are sorted out, we could see multinational holding companies. American Airlines has said that it would like to see easing of restrictions on foreigners owning US carriers, so we could see all the OneWorld carriers becoming like Oil Companies. Qantas might keep its brand name, but it might be like BHP Billiton or Shell.

KLM/Air France is supposed to be one company, but there are still two separate fleets and route structures - it is not like the Delta/NW merger.

When Malaysia starts to work on joining with OneWorld partners, it will be interesting to see how that airline's route system will integrate with BA and Qantas - will Qantas put the QF code on MH flights to Europe and UK? If would be nice to fly in an MH A380 to London and get Qantas FF points. The choice might be - fly MH to Rome with a QF code, or fly on JQ to Rome as the Qantas Group offering.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-05 22:03:40 and read 11000 times.

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 95):
Not sure if this has been posted yet but the new Air Australia livery looks great as does the uniform

I think the uniform and the livery look fantastic, I'll certainly fly them 
Will they be keeping the VC code?

Does anybody expect/think they will expand domestically within Australia? For example BNE-PER SYD-MEL CBR-MEL DRW-ADL (those are just routes I thought of off the top of my head - not specific routes I'd expect to be opened...)

Also, they have 7? aircraft - does anybody know when all are expected to be repainted/fitted? (is the cabin different)?
ALSO according to Wiki (not the best source) but it says they have 8 A320 on order and 6 A330 - are these going to be new or leased or secondhand? And what routes (as said above) do you think they'll utilize them on? China?

[Edited 2011-11-05 22:16:59]

[Edited 2011-11-05 22:17:56]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-05 22:39:51 and read 10957 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 114):
Does anybody expect/think they will expand domestically within Australia? For example BNE-PER SYD-MEL CBR-MEL DRW-ADL (those are just routes I thought of off the top of my head - not specific routes I'd expect to be opened...)

They will expand if things go well.

Of those listed routes:

BNE-PER - A possibility (Still 3 competitors though and is a long sector)
MEL/BNE-SYD - Not likely at this stage, given the access issues at SYD
MEL-CBR - No, not likely.
DRW-ADL - Seeing as neither is a base, I would not expect so

The MEL A320 base will be an interesting one to see unfolding, given that many routes already have substantial competition, especially with TT in the process of expanding again.

Another option to connect the bases would be MEL-PER, although it already has 4 competitors, including both JQ and TT (5 if counting SkyWest via KGL) on a long sector. A MEL-ADL flight could be an option, particularly now that TT is not currently flying the route.Overall though, options seem to be limited, especially those that have limited competitive pressure, or any niche routes. Maybe a MEL-Northern WA option will be considered, if it can gain a decent contract as part of it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-11-05 23:24:00 and read 10911 times.

If Air Australia had moved really quickly, they could have moved into some of the markets that Tiger dropped. If they only went into some of those markets once or twice a day, chasing the market that Tiger was flying, they could have done that with only a small fleet. MEL-CBR and MEL-HBA are fairly short routes. Perhaps twice daily for both CBR and HBA out of MEL could be done with one aircraft. BNE-PER is a long route for an A320 and a bit small for an A332 - they would need an A320neo for that one.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-06 00:07:49 and read 10871 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 115):
especially with TT in the process of expanding again.

Okay, but if VC offer a better product do you think they could take customers away?
Having said that, TT is all about low price but honestly their product is appalling. My seat, tray table and saftey card all had gum over it. Same story for a few other rows. Then there was litter.. everywhere...

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 116):
they could have moved into some of the markets that Tiger dropped.

Such as MEL-OOL , MEL-CBR (which I took, it was jam packed)

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 116):
MEL-CBR and MEL-HBA are fairly short routes. Perhaps twice daily for both CBR and HBA out of MEL could be done with one aircraft. BNE-PER is a long route for an A320 and a bit small for an A332 - they would need an A320neo for that one.

I agree, maybe a MEL-CBR-HBA-MEL-CBR-MEL-Onwards route,
BNE-PER is able to be booked now, I'm pretty sure they're using the A320 (for relief flights I think)

I think most expansion will be MEL and BNE based, although I do hope they fly into SYD or CBR  
I hope Air Australia does well - it'd be nice to see them do well  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-06 00:22:43 and read 10844 times.

BNE will now be their main A320 base, no longer JH at MEL then i would assume weekly A320 maintenance would be done at BNE .Therefore the Perth based A320 which does 5 PER-Curtin flights a week will most likely operate to BNE once or twice a week for maintenance.So i would think 1-2 weekly BNE-PER flights would be possible.Jetstar fly BNE-PER nightly so the distance will not be a problem.

BNE-MEL and possibly BNE-DRW as mentioned this week will most likely be the only ports announced soon.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-06 01:24:05 and read 10772 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 118):
BNE-MEL and possibly BNE-DRW as mentioned this week will most likely be the only ports announced soon.

I thought MEL-BNE had already been announced. It's in the very original press release:

http://www.flystrategic.com.au/LinkC...fileticket=Q1h0FKrkxEA%3d&tabid=90

"New domestic flights between Melbourne to Brisbane and direct flights from Melbourne to Honolulu and Brisbane to Honolulu will commence from December, 2011."

but it isn't bookable on the website yet.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-06 01:15:19 and read 10726 times.

Yes but not the schedule or fares .

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-06 01:16:48 and read 10737 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 118):
So i would think 1-2 weekly BNE-PER flights would be possible.Jetstar fly BNE-PER nightly so the distance will not be a problem.

By any chance do you know if it is a full flight for JQ?

Quoting mariner (Reply 119):
I thought MEL-BNE had already been announced. It's in the very original press release:

Yes I thought it was..
I want to see their product, I want to fly it  

[Edited 2011-11-06 01:17:21]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-06 02:18:27 and read 10678 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 118):
BNE-MEL and possibly BNE-DRW as mentioned this week will most likely be the only ports announced soon.

I wonder if we might see them creating a mini hub in DRW like JQ for flights onto south east asia, funnel pax from BNE, MEL (and possible other ports) to DRW and connect them onto DPS, HKT, SIN, KUL? using their A320 fleet, leaving the A330s for larger missions like HNL and possibly mainland China?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2011-11-06 04:00:54 and read 10575 times.

Can anyone tell me what routes Virgin's ATR's are flying? I would love to sample them soon.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-06 09:44:33 and read 10461 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 122):
I wonder if we might see them creating a mini hub in DRW like JQ for flights onto south east asia, funnel pax from BNE, MEL (and possible other ports) to DRW and connect them onto DPS, HKT, SIN, KUL? using their A320 fleet, leaving the A330s for larger missions like HNL and possibly mainland China?

  

I think a base at DRW would be great and I think there are several places that could be easily reached that other airlines don't serve - Lombok, Balikpapan and Kota Kinabalu, eg - although surely not daily.

I think their best chance is to fly the less competitive routes. BNE-MEL is one thing - it connects the two focus cities - but I don't see in point in joining the over-crowded SYD-MEL.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-06 13:20:54 and read 10395 times.

The ATR'S are flying BNE-Gladstone and BNE-Port Macquarie currently as well as SYD-Canberra and SYD-Port Macquarie.BNE-Emerald to commence 16 Jan .

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: jetfuel
Posted 2011-11-06 14:56:34 and read 10328 times.

Air Australia is in no position for rapid expansion. Strategic has been losing money and in its own right was cash flow negative last year. They have an enormous battle ahead. I wish them well but I dont think they see the needed investments to make an airline profitable. Airline ops is a new ball game for a long term charter operator.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-06 15:33:27 and read 10317 times.

They also said in the article you are quoting from that they expected to make a small profit this year.

I agree however that rapid expansion won't be happening .They have already stated that the 3rd 332 has been delayed till MAY and that China has been put on hold so they can concentrate on bedding down HNL and expanding HKT .That shows common sense.

So between Dec and May, BNE-MEL and BNE,MEL-HNL will most likely be it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: BNE
Posted 2011-11-06 19:44:04 and read 10165 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 108):
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but this only applies to arrivals right?

Departures will continue to be from Terminal 3 (the Alaska Airlines terminal).

Even so, arriving into the Delta terminal will definitely be a good move since it actually makes it more convenient to connect VA-DL than QF-AA which still requires you to change TBIT--->Terminal 4.

You are correct in that LAX arrivals are now into T5, while LAX departures are still from T3.

In April 2012 V Australia will be making the full transition to T5 whereby arrivals AND departures will be from the same terminal.

I would also think by then the name would be Virgin Australia.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-11-06 20:53:39 and read 10103 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 97):
"Air Australia will take over Strategic's current international leisure destinations of Bali and Phuket, and launch new services from Brisbane and Melbourne to Honolulu from December 14.

This will be coupled with an onwards connection to the US mainland via a US-based partner airline."

As someone who "has to" go from southeast Queensland to Hawaii a lot - it's a tough job, but someone's got to do it - I'm curious to see how Air Australia's BNE-HNL service flourishes, and more particularly whether it will do well enough for Virgin or Hawaiian to continue it after Air Australia goes bankrupt.

I don't doubt the market strength with the exchange rate settling at parity between the US$ and A$. As I have written in other threads, I have two Korukids and both of them in the last three years have found themselves on holiday in Hawaii at the same time as schoolfriends from the Gold Coast. Recently I attended a Queenslander's birthday party in Waikiki - one of a group of over a dozen attendees.

I usually fly Air NZ to Honolulu, because I like their Business Class product better than the HA, QF and JQ products and because I hate returning via SYD, where the flights arrive sufficiently late in the afternoon that it can be hard to book a connection back up to BNE or OOL the same day.

But whereas NZ and QF have fares in excess of $5000 return, Virgin Australia now sell codeshared Hawaiian flights plus a connection for around $3400, and that is highly competitive. Both for pure leisure passengers and ones like me who want to take the family along and make a holiday of it.

I won't fly Air Australia because I can't risk being stranded like their Phuket passengers. And because you can earn serious status with QF, DJ, NZ and HA through their Honolulu flights, so sending business to Air Australia seems like a real waste.

I am as certain as I can be that Air Australia will fold, and I don't think that their model (or Jetstar's) is particularly well-adapted to the Honolulu market, as the demographic is still a notch or two more affluent than Bali or Phuket. They should be seeing Australia-Honolulu as a market analagous to Virgin Atlantic's leisure services from LGW and MAN to the Caribbean.

So I find myself hoping that:

1) BNE-HNL does well for Air Australia.
2) Virgin buys Air Australia when it folds (DJ and JQ will both covet the A330s, but only JQ will want the A320s)
3) Virgin actually retains its more successful flights, rather than just putting the aircraft on CityFlyer style flights domestically.

So I see Air Australia as Impulse. I just wonder who will end up taking them over, and whether they will retain anything other than the fleet.

Lastly, I don't buy REALDEAL's idea of Air Australia linking up with some American LCC at HNL and taking over global aviation. The only way that Air Australia will have any hope of such an outcome is if they merge quickly into Virgin Australia and VA extends its North America alliance with Delta to Honolulu. But I cannot imagine even that happening, as VA codeshares with HA on SYD-HNL.

Passengers don't even like flying a combination of Air Asia X and Air Asia X from PER/MEL/OOL to LGW. So they certainly won't take the risk of losing their entire connection's fare if one LCC fails to reliably deliver them to the next on time.

Which, sadly, makes me wonder whether Air Australia's BNE-HNL service will actually succeed in harnessing market demand. It's a pretty risky move to open such a route when the opposition offers better frequent flyer incentives and better reliability and onward connections.

[Edited 2011-11-06 21:00:20]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-06 21:13:30 and read 10076 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 129):
Lastly, I don't buy REALDEAL's idea of Air Australia linking up with some American LCC at HNL and taking over global aviation.

I don't know who REALDEAL is, but no US LCC flies to HNL - or anywhere in Hawaii.

So it is not possible for Air Australia to team up with any LCC.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-07 16:05:58 and read 9709 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 130):
I don't know who REALDEAL is, but no US LCC flies to HNL - or anywhere in Hawaii.

He was referring to JMM99 who seems to think that Allegiant are about to take over the Hawaii-Mainland market, and (even more bizarrely) that an airline who operates by the Ryanair model would be interested in interlining.

Quoting koruman (Reply 129):
should be seeing Australia-Honolulu as a market analagous to Virgin Atlantic's leisure services from LGW and MAN to the Caribbean.

I agree. I know I've said this before and I'll say it again: why is it that BA can profitably operate (with a decent product rather than the archaic QF 767s) to Barbados, St Lucia, Antigua, Mauritius, Bahamas etc when QF seems to constantly under perform into HNL?

On one level I think it is market dynamics: the people going from the UK to the Caribbean are generally very affluent and well off professional types who are escaping the dreary British winter with a cocktail on the beach. In comparison those same passengers in Australia are perhaps more 'adventurous' and like a grand tour of Europe or North America. This difference is largely (a) climatic and (b) Australians' desire to experience 'culture'. The effect of this could be that the 'premium leisure' market ex Aus is more centred around QF's prime routes to LHR and LAX. Nonetheless, Hawaii is definitely not Bali and there will always be people prepared to pay for a premium service. It's just QF to HNL is not at all premium.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-07 16:32:03 and read 9678 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 131):
He was referring to JMM99 who seems to think that Allegiant are about to take over the Hawaii-Mainland market, and (even more bizarrely) that an airline who operates by the Ryanair model would be interested in interlining.

For the the first part of that JMM99 is quite correct - Allegiant does intend to serve Hawaii, it is why it purchased 757's. But it is still waiting for certification:

http://www.vegasinc.com/news/2011/ju...es-closer-offering-hawaii-flights/

"Las Vegas-based Allegiant Travel Co. is one step closer to offering flights to Hawaii after getting permission from the Federal Aviation Administration today to begin operating Boeing 757-200 planes on mainland routes."

But it hasn't announced routes yet, and the chances are that it will use its secondary or even tertiary airports, such as BLI. It may - may - use LAX, where it has a small base.

Obviously, the second part, especially the lack of connectivity, is a problem (although not insurmountable) and was discussed earlier in the thread.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: SOLENT
Posted 2011-11-07 20:35:34 and read 9561 times.

There was a white A340 parked at BNE (old Airport terminal) where Strategic/Air Australia park, when I flew in at 1630 yesterday. Who does it belong to.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Shnoob940
Posted 2011-11-07 21:21:54 and read 9486 times.

Quoting SOLENT (Reply 133):
There was a white A340 parked at BNE (old Airport terminal) where Strategic/Air Australia park, when I flew in at 1630 yesterday. Who does it belong to.

I saw it on Saturday evening too.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-11-07 21:43:35 and read 9480 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 131):
I agree. I know I've said this before and I'll say it again: why is it that BA can profitably operate (with a decent product rather than the archaic QF 767s) to Barbados, St Lucia, Antigua, Mauritius, Bahamas etc when QF seems to constantly under perform into HNL?

On one level I think it is market dynamics: the people going from the UK to the Caribbean are generally very affluent and well off professional types who are escaping the dreary British winter with a cocktail on the beach.

In comparison those same passengers in Australia are perhaps more 'adventurous' and like a grand tour of Europe or North America.

This difference is largely
(a) climatic and
(b) Australians' desire to experience 'culture'

Actually, I put it down to poor airline management. A gentleman named Alan Joyce was in charge of Qantas group network planning. And we have a situation now where the group uses Jetstar to Honolulu on twice as many days of the week as Qantas.

But the thing is, the Australian dollar is now at parity with the US $. And so the top-of-the-line properties such as the Ritz-Carlton, Four Seasons and St Regis hotels are now well within the range of Australian high-demographic visitors. But the high-demographic carrier has practically vacated the market, between offering minimal frequency and an appalling antique 767 onboard product.

As I've written in other threads, I think that the ideal onboard mix from Australia to Hawaii in 2011 would be:

10% lie-flat Business beds - staying at the above-mentioned luxury hotels.
30% Premium Economy - staying at Hilton, Westin, Sheraton and Marriott hotels, and
60% full-service Economy with AVOD.

But the two Australian carriers (Qantas and Jetstar) both offer similar configurations which are
10% Business seat, and
90% Economy without IFE.

And Air Australia is about to repeat their error.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: packersfan
Posted 2011-11-07 22:02:52 and read 9446 times.

I noticed that FJ have only 3 rotations thru LAX for a number of weeks, and I wondered if they may be putting a 744 thru maintenance during this time seeing they would only need one to do those sectors. Do any members have some knowledge about this? I am flying them early Jan and I was hoping to have the old timer IFE and seats working. Can't wait until the 332's. Thanks in advance.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-08 00:15:03 and read 9301 times.

Quoting SOLENT (Reply 133):
There was a white A340 parked at BNE (old Airport terminal) where Strategic/Air Australia park, when I flew in at 1630 yesterday. Who does it belong to.

Adagold doing military charters  
Quoting packersfan (Reply 136):
I noticed that FJ have only 3 rotations thru LAX for a number of weeks, and I wondered if they may be putting a 744 thru maintenance during this time seeing they would only need one to do those sectors. Do any members have some knowledge about this? I am flying them early Jan and I was hoping to have the old timer IFE and seats working. Can't wait until the 332's. Thanks in advance.

yes I beleive one of their 747s is currently undergoing maintenance (D checks I think)  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-08 00:46:22 and read 9259 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 135):
Actually, I put it down to poor airline management. A gentleman named Alan Joyce was in charge of Qantas group network planning. And we have a situation now where the group uses Jetstar to Honolulu on twice as many days of the week as Qantas.
Quoting koruman (Reply 135):
As I've written in other threads, I think that the ideal onboard mix from Australia to Hawaii in 2011 would be:

10% lie-flat Business beds - staying at the above-mentioned luxury hotels.
30% Premium Economy - staying at Hilton, Westin, Sheraton and Marriott hotels, and
60% full-service Economy with AVOD.

But the two Australian carriers (Qantas and Jetstar) both offer similar configurations which are
10% Business seat, and
90% Economy without IFE.

And Air Australia is about to repeat their error.

Oh right, so you have facts/evidence to support this? Yes?

Now I am not saying that you arent right, you very well could be, I would just like to see the evidence behind it.

Also, rather than taking a swipe at Alan Joyce, how about consider that he would be backed up by a large team of researchers? They dont just make up the frequencies because they like that number. If more frequencies are needed (increases which would bring good yields) then they would increase frequencies.

Also, due to the delay of the 787 (something you cant blame Joyce for), Qantas only has so many A330's (which I assume are the aircraft you think would be better suited to the route?). Now QF has to look at the competition. Who are they competing with? HA? They have a superior product. But other routes they might have more competition with better newer aircraft so they send those aircraft there. Yes, it sucks if you are going to Hawaii, but thats how it is until the 787's arrive. I would love to see all the 767's retired today, but that isnt possible, so we will just have to hold out until that great day occurs.

[Edited 2011-11-08 00:46:50]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: NZ107
Posted 2011-11-08 01:24:07 and read 9224 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 137):

yes I beleive one of their 747s is currently undergoing maintenance (D checks I think)

Last time they did that, they wetleased a UA 744.. I suppose that's not happening again this time - would love to see another UA 744 in AKL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-08 02:02:16 and read 9173 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 139):
Last time they did that, they wetleased a UA 744.. I suppose that's not happening again this time - would love to see another UA 744 in AKL.

This is a bit of a quiet time before the christmas holidays, so there maybe no need. The capacity isn't needed just now, though come next month they will need it for sure, hopefully its back online by then  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: packersfan
Posted 2011-11-08 02:35:50 and read 9121 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 137):
Quoting packersfan (Reply 136):
I noticed that FJ have only 3 rotations thru LAX for a number of weeks, and I wondered if they may be putting a 744 thru maintenance during this time seeing they would only need one to do those sectors. Do any members have some knowledge about this? I am flying them early Jan and I was hoping to have the old timer IFE and seats working. Can't wait until the 332's. Thanks in advance.

yes I beleive one of their 747s is currently undergoing maintenance (D checks I think)

Thanks for that 747m8te. I guess they will be needing both online quite soon as they go back to five per week coming to Xmas. A D check must be a heavy expense only 16 months out from removal from service.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-08 02:44:34 and read 9103 times.

Quoting packersfan (Reply 141):
Thanks for that 747m8te. I guess they will be needing both online quite soon as they go back to five per week coming to Xmas. A D check must be a heavy expense only 16 months out from removal from service.

Actually, I think the 747 in question (...don't have the rego handy atm) has been out since early to mid last month, so shouldn't be far off being ready to put back into service...and you are right...they will definately need them both soon innn the lead up to xmas!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Ben175
Posted 2011-11-08 04:05:05 and read 9020 times.

CZ's innaugral PER service arrives tomorrow morning! Interesting that it's showing PEK as the origin and not CAN on the official Perth Airport website. Also CX's seasonal morning arrival from HKG is back.

Anyone heading out to get pictures? I can't get out of commitments.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2011-11-08 05:36:11 and read 8949 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 138):
Also, due to the delay of the 787 (something you cant blame Joyce for), Qantas only has so many A330's (which I assume are the aircraft you think would be better suited to the route?).
QF were not the only airline affected by the 787 delays.... QF could have easily done what other airlines have done and refitted several of their 763ERs with winglets and new interiors for minimal cost. NZ has done this and now has aircraft that have already paid off the refit through fuel savings, and of course are much nicer for their pax.

[Edited 2011-11-08 05:36:38]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-08 13:28:42 and read 8847 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 143):
CZ's innaugral PER service arrives tomorrow morning!

Congrats to CZ 

I was thinking a bit and I wondered if DJ A330 would stay "Coast to Coast" forever, as I would have thought that having one on the route (DJ will have 5 A330 right?) or even two, and then have the other three Asian international?
Sorry if this has been discussed before now, I couldn't find it on this thread :P But I was wondering, what are your opinions? Do you think they could go international with their A330s?
Also, is VA going to be folded into DJ ? o.O
Sorry, I'm a bit behind. If a DJ plane is painted new colours, has it also got the cabin refit?
Thanks ^.^  Smile

[Edited 2011-11-08 13:34:27]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-11-08 14:36:22 and read 8795 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 135):
As I've written in other threads, I think that the ideal onboard mix from Australia to Hawaii in 2011 would be:

10% lie-flat Business beds - staying at the above-mentioned luxury hotels.
30% Premium Economy - staying at Hilton, Westin, Sheraton and Marriott hotels, and
60% full-service Economy with AVOD.

But the two Australian carriers (Qantas and Jetstar) both offer similar configurations which are
10% Business seat, and
90% Economy without IFE.

And Air Australia is about to repeat their error.

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Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 138):
Oh right, so you have facts/evidence to support this? Yes?

Now I am not saying that you arent right, you very well could be, I would just like to see the evidence behind it.

Also, rather than taking a swipe at Alan Joyce, how about consider that he would be backed up by a large team of researchers? They dont just make up the frequencies because they like that number. If more frequencies are needed (increases which would bring good yields) then they would increase frequencies.

OK, a couple of issues there.

Qantas/Jetstar's number of seats and proportion of business / premium economy / economy seats has barely changed since ten years ago when 747-300s were plying the route (the Qantas business and premium economy product hasn't changed either).

The ratio on Qantas Group services SYD-HNL remains roughly 10% Business - 0% Premium Economy - 90% Economy Minus.
(Minus because Qantas offers no IFE and Jetstar doesn't offer catering either).

But we know that the demographics have changed markedly during that decade as the A$ and US$ have settled at around parity. Leisure passengers from Hawaii to Australia are now overwhelmingly carried on the daily Hawaiian service, whereas a few years ago they were shared half-and-half between Qantas and Air Canada.

And there has been a big shift in the demographic of Australians visiting Hawaii, or to be precise in the level of luxury they pay for. A decade ago the vast majority of hotel nights booked were 3 star or below (the Ohana and Aston chains) whereas now these are outnumbered by stays at hotel chains like Hilton and Westin which in Australia (but not the USA) are considered to be luxury brands.

The hotel reservation patterns of Australians in Hawaii are now very similar to British outbound travellers to Barbados and Antigua in particular. But whereas Virgin Atlantic uses a high density 744 configured 14 lie-flat Business / 58 Premium Economy / 368 Economy, the Qantas group goes 25 Business seat / 204 Economy and 38 Business seat / 265 Economy.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 138):
Also, rather than taking a swipe at Alan Joyce, how about consider that he would be backed up by a large team of researchers? They dont just make up the frequencies because they like that number. If more frequencies are needed (increases which would bring good yields) then they would increase frequencies.

I don't believe that. I think they work out how many Jetstar A330s are available, and then just use Qantas 767s to meet the shortfall of supply to demand on the other days.

I think that this is typical of how Qantas operates. They decide what the passengers should want in terms of product and then the customers have to take it or leave it.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 138):
Now QF has to look at the competition. Who are they competing with? HA? They have a superior product. But other routes they might have more competition with better newer aircraft so they send those aircraft there.

Firstly, the Hawaiian product on this route is also a 767 for now, but their on-board product is not inferior to the Qantas one, and once they move the only other long-haul aircraft in their fleet onto the route it will actually be superior. The only area in which Qantas can claim superiority is wider aisles and armrests in Business Class!

But Hawaiian's mitigation is that they only have two aircraft types in their fleet, and that the long-haul aircraft are equipped for the domestic market. I actually think that the product and pricing Qantas use on SYD-HNL is a deliberate attempt to transition the market to Jetstar.

This is a big market opportunity - Hawaiian has gone from 759 seats per week to 1,771 in the space of a year.

But Australia's airlines seem determined to offer a product which does not match market directions.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2011-11-08 16:49:51 and read 8735 times.

Today's AFR reports that VA has decided not to exercise its option for a 6th 77W and will not launch BNE-AUH with its own metal as previously planned.

John Borghetti has instead decided to preserve his capital for extra A330s that can be used domestically and regionally as it steps up its battle with QF

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-08 17:02:30 and read 8700 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 146):
the long-haul aircraft are equipped for the domestic market

True but having flown QF to HNL and left on a HA A330, I know for a fact that the latter is light years ahead of the former. Don't forget that HA probably (hell, definitely) have the best US "domestic" product so we're not talking AA M80s here.

They do have AVOD (for a $5 charge, I didn't pay it but I at least appreciated the option which is better than QF).

Admittedly their food portions were fairly small; they are, after all, competing with the like of UA and AA who offer nothing to HNL since it is domestic. However the food was delicious and up their as the best I've ever eaten in economy (behind EY)

If I were to ever end up in HNL again I know who I would fly hands down. The only thing which might keep me loyal to QF would be my FF card

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-11-08 17:29:19 and read 8674 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 148):
True but having flown QF to HNL and left on a HA A330, I know for a fact that the latter is light years ahead of the former.

I know that, but TruemanQLDs loyalty to Qantas seemed to be making him think the QF product was better!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-08 17:44:30 and read 8668 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 145):
Sorry if this has been discussed before now, I couldn't find it on this thread :P But I was wondering, what are your opinions? Do you think they could go international with their A330s?

Definitely, and I think highly likely... In fact, I could even see their next two deliveries (coming straight from Airbus IIRC) being fitted with their international product and starting international services within the next 6 months.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 145):
Sorry, I'm a bit behind. If a DJ plane is painted new colours, has it also got the cabin refit?

I think so -- all the work is being done in CHC, and the entire fleet will be updated by mid-January.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-08 18:18:23 and read 8637 times.

Originally i would have said yes to the international routes but i am thinking NO.Aircraft 3 will most likely go on MEL-PER and aircraft 4 and 5 on BNE-SYD-MEL.If VA really wish to pounce on QF this is now the time to get more business travellers over to them on domestic services.

Cheers.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-11-08 18:24:41 and read 8685 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
I think so -- all the work is being done in CHC, and the entire fleet will be updated by mid-January.

I've got flights on DJ on Jan 14 on the BNE-SYD-BNE so hoping my flights will have the new product. If they do I'll aim to post a trip report. I'm excited about trying their new product - will certainly be a welcome change from their product when I last flew them at Easter to Mackay.

Has anyone experienced their new business class on their 737 fleet? I'm going to Cairns for 3 nights and going to be using my flyer points to snag a seat in business class on both flights betwen BNE ad CNS. Also, is the business class on their E190's the same as their 737's? Is it 2-2 or 2-1?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: koruman
Posted 2011-11-08 18:27:30 and read 8687 times.

I agree with eaglefarm4.

Virgin need to try to put everything into attacking Qantas' doemstic market share. Outbound long-haul sales will follow if and when Australian customers value their Virgin FF account as much as their Qantas one.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-08 20:21:32 and read 8574 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 151):
Originally i would have said yes to the international routes but i am thinking NO.Aircraft 3 will most likely go on MEL-PER and aircraft 4 and 5 on BNE-SYD-MEL.If VA really wish to pounce on QF this is now the time to get more business travellers over to them on domestic services.

That's actually a very strong argument, and you could likely be onto something. Either way, if they are expecting delivery in the first half of next year then they will have already locked in the seats/systems that the planes will fly with... So if they have chosen an International product, and want to use them on Domestic for a while then there could be some strong incentive for business travelers to make the switch...

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 152):
I've got flights on DJ on Jan 14 on the BNE-SYD-BNE so hoping my flights will have the new product. If they do I'll aim to post a trip report. I'm excited about trying their new product - will certainly be a welcome change from their product when I last flew them at Easter to Mackay.

All aircraft will have the new product by mid-January apparently, so you should get the new seats. I lucked out and got a BSI plane for my single DJ flight this year, and it was great! Very fresh and energetic...

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 152):
Has anyone experienced their new business class on their 737 fleet? I'm going to Cairns for 3 nights and going to be using my flyer points to snag a seat in business class on both flights betwen BNE ad CNS. Also, is the business class on their E190's the same as their 737's? Is it 2-2 or 2-1?

The seats looked good when I walked past them, and the FA's seemed to be highly interactive (chatting with a couple heading on their honeymoon for half an hour etc) but I was stuck in Y   The E-Jets are still 2-2 in J, and are keeping the Y+ seats I think.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-08 20:41:13 and read 8550 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 154):
The E-Jets are still 2-2 in J, and are keeping the Y+ seats I think.

Are they recovering them in black/purple, or keeping the red seats?

Also, I presume the Y seats on the old fleet are being recovered since the old one had "Blue" embossed into them. Is this correct?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-08 21:21:24 and read 8526 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Definitely, and I think highly likely... In fact, I could even see their next two deliveries (coming straight from Airbus IIRC) being fitted with their international product and starting international services within the next 6 months.

Where do you think they would fly?

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 151):
Originally i would have said yes to the international routes

I think I have to agree here, although I would like to see them go international but I think that they will focus on getting QF customers from them, which, after this strike deal should be easy..

On another topic, is Obama flying AF1 into CBR next? week?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: smi0006
Posted 2011-11-08 21:47:57 and read 8506 times.

Some more photo from the Air Australia lunch:



Shame they have such ugly crew   Looks fresh and profession goodluck to them!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: thegeek
Posted 2011-11-08 22:01:40 and read 8496 times.

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 147):
Today's AFR reports that VA has decided not to exercise its option for a 6th 77W and will not launch BNE-AUH with its own metal as previously planned.

Unsurprising. While I see a future for VA on BNE-LAX particularly, I think it isn't likely to make anywhere near as much money as it expected on SYD-LAX. BNE-AUH smacks of desperation, but I'm surprised if they don't think there would be a market for SYD-SFO after QF leaving it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-08 22:09:13 and read 8460 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 149):
I know that, but TruemanQLDs loyalty to Qantas seemed to be making him think the QF product was better!

Or maybe, unlike you, I dont use every possible opportunity to bash QF? Hmm... couldnt be!

Also, I was merely trying to point out that from all accounts QF/JQ services to HNL are full and QF have obviously decided any extra capacity would produce low yields and is not worth pursuing. Why fix something that isnt broke?


And loyalty to QF, hypocritical much, we havent stopped hearing about your loyalty to NZ and EY and whoever else takes your fancy at that current time, whichever best suits your argument to bash QF.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2011-11-08 22:11:33 and read 8464 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 157):
Some more photo from the Air Australia lunch:

Shame they have such ugly crew Looks fresh and profession goodluck to them!

Damn, thats a natural photogenic looking bunch. Glad to see they are allowed to have their hair down somewhat compared to certain other airlines.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2011-11-08 22:22:17 and read 8462 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 158):
Today's AFR reports that VA has decided not to exercise its option for a 6th 77W and will not launch BNE-AUH with its own metal as previously planned.

Unsurprising. While I see a future for VA on BNE-LAX particularly, I think it isn't likely to make anywhere near as much money as it expected on SYD-LAX. BNE-AUH smacks of desperation, but I'm surprised if they don't think there would be a market for SYD-SFO after QF leaving it.

it was said on this forum a few weeks ago that BNE-SIN-AUH was not going to happen. It was said that SYD-AUH loads were a bit disappointing - does anyone know if they have improved?

Other international routes for A330s - weekend flights to DPS - substitute for 73Hs?

The joint venture between VA and EY was supposed to strengthen the route for both of them - it would help EY to have access to the DJ Frequent Flyer program. I think it would strengthen the route for EY is they could do BNE-AUH as a non stop.

As a thought - the VA plan to do BNE-SIN-AUH was really just a tech stop at SIN. If an A332 can do PER-AUH as a non stop, why not route the flight BNE-PER-AUH, so that Virgin could serve to Australian cities from the one flight? PER is not yet a city for EY. PER-AUH would be within the range of a new A332.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: EK413
Posted 2011-11-08 22:50:53 and read 8414 times.

Quoting SOLENT (Reply 133):
There was a white A340 parked at BNE (old Airport terminal) where Strategic/Air Australia park, when I flew in at 1630 yesterday. Who does it belong to.
Quoting 747m8te (Reply 137):
Adagold doing military charters

Doesn't the aircraft belong to Hi Fly?

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-09 00:36:50 and read 8319 times.

Adagold are the operator and HI-FLY provide the 340.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: tayser
Posted 2011-11-09 01:02:21 and read 8319 times.

This EY A345 must have had a lot of spare fuel....

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6528/stormdiverts.png

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-09 01:06:07 and read 8311 times.

Quoting tayser (Reply 164):

Wonder if it deliberately asked ATC if it could make that route in the sky?  

I see this a fair bit on FlightRadar24, usually just hasnt shown that the plane has stopped in MEL. Could be wrong however, maybe MEL was closer for whatever reason and diverted then to ADL...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: tayser
Posted 2011-11-09 01:08:27 and read 8321 times.

there's a big storm over the city now, it's diverted to ADL. Curious though - CBR is closer and on a tail wind - going back to ADL is headwind and flying back through the same storm which has stopped it from landing in MEL

there's a 738 from PER circling over Cape Otway as well.... LST is probably the closest airport for it

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: tayser
Posted 2011-11-09 01:11:39 and read 8330 times.

two ADL-MEL flights (one QF and DJ) are also now going back to ADL too.

And a JQ flight just landed in AVV... what happened to AVV being the diversionary airport for MEL?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mikey
Posted 2011-11-09 01:39:00 and read 8348 times.

Yesterday I saw a V Australia getting a new Virgin Australia title on one of their 777s (VH-VPD) at LAX. Are they going to change the tail as well?

Mike


Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: bookishaviator
Posted 2011-11-09 01:43:52 and read 8291 times.

Dreamliner visit to coincide with Qantas birthday

I look forward to hearing the finer details about this!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-09 02:13:37 and read 8247 times.

Was onboard one of DJs newly configured 738s the other day with new business class seats and new economy seats, has anyone noticed they have reduced the legroom? with the larger J cabin now (which is quite nice...far superior to the old premium seats!) the economy cabin (which is much more pleasing to the eye then the old cabin) still goes up to row 30, in the old configuration, exit rows were on row 14/15, now they are 13/14! so they have effectivly crammed the equivelant of an extra row behind the exits...legroom is noticably tighter seemingly as bad as TT! Was kinda hopeing with the newer slimmer seats we were going to gain a bit of legroom....damn!

Also was curious, this new configuration (have to check the rego) didn't have any seat back PTV??? is this no longer a feature of the new product? Or only on particular aircraft?

Quoting koruman (Reply 146):
Firstly, the Hawaiian product on this route is also a 767 for now, but their on-board product is not inferior to the Qantas one
Quoting koruman (Reply 149):
I know that, but TruemanQLDs loyalty to Qantas seemed to be making him think the QF product was better!
Quoting koruman (Reply 146):
(Minus because Qantas offers no IFE and Jetstar doesn't offer catering either).

Correction...they do have IFE! just not PTVs, they still have IFE though! Over head/Bulk head displays   and aren't JQ going to have Ipads onboard?

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 159):
And loyalty to QF, hypocritical much, we havent stopped hearing about your loyalty to NZ and EY and whoever else takes your fancy at that current time, whichever best suits your argument to bash QF.

Funny how some people think its good for one and not the other hey...hmmmm selective loyalty when it suits to bash...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-11-09 02:42:00 and read 8174 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 170):
Was onboard one of DJs newly configured 738s the other day with new business class seats and new economy seats, has anyone noticed they have reduced the legroom? with the larger J cabin now (which is quite nice...far superior to the old premium seats!) the economy cabin (which is much more pleasing to the eye then the old cabin) still goes up to row 30, in the old configuration, exit rows were on row 14/15, now they are 13/14! so they have effectivly crammed the equivelant of an extra row behind the exits...legroom is noticably tighter seemingly as bad as TT! Was kinda hopeing with the newer slimmer seats we were going to gain a bit of legroom....damn!

Looks like I'll be buying the more flexible fare with DJ for my planned trip to Port Moresby with them for October next year - might just try that in an attempt to get a seat ahead of the wings with the extra bit of legroom......but thats if the international 738's are reconfigured by then.

But in the mean time, hopefully the seat pitch isnt too bad for the 90 minute flights on my flights to Sydney in January. Looking forward to the business class in March - aiming for a trip report pending approval of my 3 days leave when I ask my supervisor next month.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2011-11-09 04:24:01 and read 8046 times.

I see QF dropping HNL altogether in the future and handing that route to JQ. I hope VC is sucsessful on both BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL.
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Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-09 04:37:55 and read 8031 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 172):
I see QF dropping HNL altogether in the future and handing that route to JQ. I hope VC is sucsessful on both BNE-HNL and MEL-HNL.
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No..its one of many cabin crews favourite holiday destinations...they will strike if that happens LOL

Actually I think this will eventually get the A330 service, hopefully sooner rather then later...maybe once the 787s arrive and QF get JQs A330s back.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-09 04:43:21 and read 8023 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 155):
Also, I presume the Y seats on the old fleet are being recovered since the old one had "Blue" embossed into them. Is this correct?

I thought they were getting the new Y seats from the BSI product? I might be wrong, but I'm fairly certain it's more than just recovering the old seats...

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 156):
Where do you think they would fly?

It's hard to say... If they got into bed with a Chinese carrier then they could link SYD/MEL/BNE to their hub (maybe HU and fly into HGH) or supplement services. NRT/HND could be a good destination out of MEL/BNE (and potentially SYD if they have the balls to face up to QF/JL on the route, they could also team up with NH to gather feed at the Tokyo end). They could compliment HA services to HNL out of MEL or BNE and deepen that relationship (and potentially damage VC in the process), they could even open up PER-AUH, which EY currently doesn't fly but EK does twice daily (to DXB). It's hard to say, though I do see it being based around building partnerships if they were to explore international with the A330s.

Quoting mikey (Reply 168):
Yesterday I saw a V Australia getting a new Virgin Australia title on one of their 777s (VH-VPD) at LAX. Are they going to change the tail as well?

 Wow! Wow that's hot stuff! I'm guessing the tail with change, though I'd love it if they left it alone... Was the text silver like the rest of the fleet? It appears a bit darker/purplier in the photo, but that's probably just the lighting?

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 170):
is this no longer a feature of the new product? Or only on particular aircraft?

All the refitted aircraft have lost IFE. They were talking about announcing IFE 'in the near future' months ago, so it's hard to know what they're planning. The A330s still have their looped PTV system. Could we see them follow the QF trial and maybe go for iPads/portable systems? I think it could work well for shorter domestic hops.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2011-11-09 04:43:22 and read 8048 times.

Quoting mikey (Reply 168):
Yesterday I saw a V Australia getting a new Virgin Australia title on one of their 777s (VH-VPD) at LAX. Are they going to change the tail as well?

I hope not, with Virgin Australia on the side and that tail it makes a quite stricking livery.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 148):
True but having flown QF to HNL and left on a HA A330, I know for a fact that the latter is light years ahead of the former.

I have 2 questions
1.Is Honolulu important to QF? just because they use old 767s on that service, only serve it from Sydney and I dont think its daily either ( I could be wrong there) it seems to me that it does not seem to be an important destination to them.

2. Will the A332 or A333 replace the 767s on SYD-HNL

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-09 05:11:53 and read 8016 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 174):
Could we see them follow the QF trial and maybe go for iPads/portable systems? I think it could work well for shorter domestic hops.

Interesting move...note that QFs newly configured 738s will now all be sporting large PTVs for all economy pax...

Would have thought after all the effort to bring in the Live2air system on DJ over the past few years they would have been continueing? odd?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: tullamarine
Posted 2011-11-09 13:22:16 and read 7933 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 175):
I hope not, with Virgin Australia on the side and that tail it makes a quite stricking livery.

The livery is striking but I do believe that the whole livery will eventually be changed which is unfortunate as the silver with the subtle Australian flag is very attractive.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: cwalt2
Posted 2011-11-09 18:33:56 and read 7707 times.

DOT has given a green light for the Joint Business Agreement between Qantas and American Airlines on trans-Pacific services, from the US to Australia and New Zealand.

Source - http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/q...nce-approved-by-us-officials/77754

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vhebb
Posted 2011-11-09 19:07:15 and read 7674 times.

QF will operate the A380 on the SYD-HKG-SYD route from mid JAN12.

More Info/discussion:

Qantas Will Operate A380 To HKG (by AlitaliaDC10 Nov 9 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-09 20:51:45 and read 7571 times.

Quoting cwalt2 (Reply 178):

I am no expert on these sort of agreements, but does anyone know, will this actually make a difference? It seems we hear about so many agreements that eventuate to nothing for the customer. Obviously AA would be enjoying the benefit of the QF flight to DFW and the connecting passengers on to other US destinations, but wouldnt that be a drop in the ocean in terms of AA passenger numbers? What else will this agreement do?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2011-11-09 21:05:03 and read 7577 times.

Appears Air NZ will operate DJ's AKL-MEL and AKL-OOL service for awhile effectine Nov 14th with an A320.
Is this to free up a 737-800 to operate domestically or will this free the aircraft for repainting into Virgin Australia colours

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: EK413
Posted 2011-11-09 22:51:28 and read 7474 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 174):
Quoting mikey (Reply 168):
Yesterday I saw a V Australia getting a new Virgin Australia title on one of their 777s (VH-VPD) at LAX. Are they going to change the tail as well?

Wow! Wow that's hot stuff! I'm guessing the tail with change, though I'd love it if they left it alone... Was the text silver like the rest of the fleet? It appears a bit darker/purplier in the photo, but that's probably just the lighting?

From my understanding the entire VA B77W fleet will receive the Virgin Australia livery...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: mariner
Posted 2011-11-10 15:36:59 and read 7144 times.

I haven't seen anyone else post this - if they have I'll ask for deletion - but Air Australia has now confirmed the BNE-MEL service, twice daily:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...eener/story-e6frg95x-1226191836091

"FROM Tuesday, Air Australia will run twice-daily weekday return services between Brisbane and Melbourne and one on weekends.'

As I've said, I think it is a very smart move - to connect the two focus cities.

This new airline is scratching several of my itches. I've been studying US LCC's (one in particular) very intently since 1998, and I like all the moves Air Australia is making.

For me - only for me - it is the most interesting thing to have happened in Australian (or NZ) aviation since I moved back down here seven years ago.

Which is not to to say I'm predicting raging success. I get more pleasure from the struggle than the success.

I intend to try it out when I have to go to Perth next year, I'll treat myself. The only question is to decide who to fly AKL-BNE.  Smile

mariner

[Edited 2011-11-10 15:39:17]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-10 15:55:21 and read 7121 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 183):
I haven't seen anyone else post this - if they have I'll ask for deletion - but Air Australia has now confirmed the BNE-MEL service, twice daily:

Great news for Air Australia!!! I really want to try their product now!! I might get a day off to fly it   

Quoting mariner (Reply 183):
The only question is to decide who to fly AKL-BNE
DJ of course  

And I love the Virgin Australia 777!!!
Sorry for appearing behind, but when did SQ give the permission for it??

[Edited 2011-11-10 15:56:32]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-10 16:14:11 and read 7089 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 184):
Sorry for appearing behind, but when did SQ give the permission for it??

Off the top of my head May, but someone could probably give a more definitive answer

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 184):
DJ of course

What are you talking about? EK all the way!!!  
Quoting vaustralie (Reply 184):
I love the Virgin Australia 777

I agree, I really like this hybrid livery and think its a shame they didn't keep the VA tail. I guess there's just too many planes already in Australia with a white body and a red tail that extends to the bottom of the fuselage

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: byronicle6
Posted 2011-11-10 16:22:51 and read 7100 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 183):
I intend to try it out when I have to go to Perth next year, I'll treat myself. The only question is to decide who to fly AKL-BNE.  

Great news! Will have to try the product sometime!
Definitely EK to BNE , or if NZ have a 777-300ER scheduled on the route I'd be tempted with that!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2011-11-10 16:31:28 and read 7093 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 161):
it was said on this forum a few weeks ago that BNE-SIN-AUH was not going to happen. It was said that SYD-AUH loads were a bit disappointing - does anyone know if they have improved?

yes, I had said it... more than a few weeks ago...

my understanding is that AUH_SYD is doing well, largely because it is sold by EY as part of their SYD double daily proposition.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-10 16:40:12 and read 7062 times.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 187):
Quoting alangirvan (Reply 161):
it was said on this forum a few weeks ago that BNE-SIN-AUH was not going to happen. It was said that SYD-AUH loads were a bit disappointing - does anyone know if they have improved?

yes, I had said it... more than a few weeks ago...

If I remember rightly it was dropped into a press release on a completely unrelated matter in May, so we've know that it wasn't going to happen for a while.

It would be interesting to know whether the decision was due to a lack of 777 capacity at VA or because EY couldn't see much growth at BNE. Afterall BNE-AUH was launched as a 3x 77W, but quickly dropped to 3x A330.

The SYD-AUH service is basically a SkyWest-style franchise for EY.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-10 22:26:53 and read 6865 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 185):
What are you talking about? EK all the way!!!

I'll have to disagree  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 188):
lack of 777 capacity at VA

When are they getting more? :S

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-10 22:52:11 and read 6827 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 189):
When are they getting more

I think they canceled their remaining orders

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-11 00:38:42 and read 6703 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 190):
I think they canceled their remaining orders

So it isn't just put on hold?
Awh well if that's true thats no good. I was really hoping for some expansion.
I heard some flight attendants talking the other day and they were talking about possible routes to Japan and China... Does anybody think these might come about or just two hosties talking ?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: Bluebird191
Posted 2011-11-11 01:39:13 and read 6663 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 188):
It would be interesting to know whether the decision was due to a lack of 777 capacity at VA or because EY couldn't see much growth at BNE. Afterall BNE-AUH was launched as a 3x 77W, but quickly dropped to 3x A330.

Quite the opposite - it actually started with the A332 - I distinctly remember it. The 77W was used only as a seasonal upgauge only during our summer - it was seasonal only and only lasted 2 summers.

Regarding EY's 3x weekly flights - there was discussion a few months back on a local aviation forum here in Brisbane indicating that EY was interesting in going daily, mainly to better compete with the likes of EK. I can't find the discussion at the moment but I know it's somwhere about.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: pilotdude09
Posted 2011-11-11 02:07:26 and read 6642 times.

Just flew KTA-PER and then PER-KTA and I lucked out and ended up with 737s with the new interior on both flights....what a dramatic improvement over the old aircraft!

Having the PTV's is awesome, flight is just long enough to watch a movie. Much more comfortable too, really enjoyed having the IFE,beats watching the tablet. Though wouldn't want to fly them every few days content wouldn't be sustainable as there isn't as much as the A330's etc.

Was also good having a hot meal again, usually end up with the terrible cereal or stale sandwich. Catering was spot on today.

Anyone know if QF plan to retrofit to the rest of the 737 fleet? Especially for those long hauls I think KTA-BNE is still the longest so would want it on that flight for sure!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: EK413
Posted 2011-11-11 04:24:47 and read 6530 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 185):
Quoting vaustralie (Reply 184):
Sorry for appearing behind, but when did SQ give the permission for it??

Off the top of my head May, but someone could probably give a more definitive answer

When the VA re branding was announced...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vhebb
Posted 2011-11-11 11:01:13 and read 6450 times.

Anyone know if QF plan to retrofit to the rest of the 737 fleet? Especially for those long hauls I think KTA-BNE is still the longest so would want it on that flight for sure!

Quoting pilotdude09 (Reply 193):

With another 18 brand new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 2 years, its only a matter of time before QF decide to refit the original B73H fleet with the new seats and IFE.

Doesn't make sense operating 2 different products on the B73H fleet, especially when the B73H fleet will be around for another 10yrs at least.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: ditzyboy
Posted 2011-11-11 13:07:26 and read 6385 times.

Quoting pilotdude09 (Reply 193):
Though wouldn't want to fly them every few days content wouldn't be sustainable as there isn't as much as the A330's etc.

The Panasonic system is the same for both the 73H's and domestic 332s. The content is less on shorter flights.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: cwalt2
Posted 2011-11-11 18:12:36 and read 6223 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 194):

John Borghetti confirmed the name change from V Australia to Virgin Australia on 04 May.

http://www.traveldaily.com.au/news/virgin-australia-revealed/45881

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-11 20:41:14 and read 6128 times.

Saw the VA Transitional livery on the 77W today at MEL. It looks good I must say. Didnt like the V Australia font or logo in the past, but this one suits well.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-11 22:25:24 and read 6039 times.

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 191):
I was really hoping for some expansion.

A330's??   

Quoting vhebb (Reply 195):
With another 18 brand new B73Hs due for delivery over the next 2 years, its only a matter of time before QF decide to refit the original B73H fleet with the new seats and IFE.

Doesn't make sense operating 2 different products on the B73H fleet, especially when the B73H fleet will be around for another 10yrs at least.

It's already been reported that they're going to refit J class with the new seats which have just debuted on the BSI 738 (basically a red leather A330 seat, and they've at least said that J will be leather across the entire fleet...) so I imagine that they will do IFE/Y updates at the same time if they're going to... Personally I'd rather see iPads/wireless on short domestic hops, but anything is better than what they offer at the moment (ie next to nothing).

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-12 08:07:13 and read 5796 times.

Looks like Cathay Pacific has the A340-300 on some of the night flights into BNE again   good to see more variety and the A340 back on a more regular basis for the mean time  ...since EK dropped the A354, its only been the odd CI A340 or the Adagold white A340 on military charters  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-12 18:52:01 and read 5598 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 200):
Looks like Cathay Pacific has the A340-300 on some of the night flights into BNE again

I'm flying CX156 on Jan 6 and my flight has been upgraded from a 333 to a 343. Out of interest is this actually a capacity increase? Or just better utilisation of the A340s between longer turns?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-12 20:41:59 and read 5569 times.

^^ From what I can see, via CX's site, it is a capacity downgrade.

The A330-300 in the 2-class config usually operated into Australia has 311 seats and the A340-300 is 3-class with 243. So there are F class seats in the A340, but overall it is a significant reduction in capacity.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-12 22:32:55 and read 5470 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 202):
A340-300 is 3-class with 243

It's the two-class A34B, so it doesn't have first class.

Therefore it is 26J/257Y=283.

The key difference is that the A340 has lie-flat business as opposed to "regional" recliner seats in a 2-2-2 configuration, which means that business is much lower density resulting in a lower overall seat count.



(and sorry to answer my own question!)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: NZ107
Posted 2011-11-13 00:41:47 and read 5367 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 202):
the A340-300 is 3-class with 243. So there are F class seats in the A340, but overall it is a significant reduction in capacity.

CX no longer have 3 class A343s - all the 3 class ones have been either converted to 2 class or sold.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-13 01:22:53 and read 5295 times.

^^ Thanks for the clarification guys. CX's site may need an update to reflect that 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: SCL767
Posted 2011-11-13 01:34:30 and read 5275 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 205):
CX's site may need an update to reflect that

CX's website reflects the current two-class configuration of the A-340-300 a/c:
http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_US/whatonboard/ourfleet/a_340_300

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: vaustralie
Posted 2011-11-13 01:39:15 and read 5250 times.

Quoting cwalt2 (Reply 197):

John Borghetti confirmed the name change from V Australia to Virgin Australia on 04 May.

Thanks

Quoting qf002 (Reply 199):
A330's??

i hope so too   

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-13 01:54:08 and read 5229 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 205):
CX's site may need an update to reflect that
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 206):
CX's website reflects the current two-class configuration of the A-340-300 a/c:

Nonetheless CX's website is pretty antiquated and not particularly user friendly

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: SCL767
Posted 2011-11-13 02:11:46 and read 5202 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 208):
Nonetheless CX's website is pretty antiquated and not particularly user friendly

IMO, QF's website could use a revamp. Does QF even list their fleet of a/c and seat maps in a user friendly fashion? Similarly, JQ's website is a joke.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2011-11-13 02:12:36 and read 5199 times.

^^ SCL767, the link I saw from their site was not up to date in it's description, stating the A340-300 was a 3 class config with 243 seats, which I linked through a search engine query. Good to see we got to the answer anyway 

Fully agree RyanairGuru, not a fan of their site. Could definitely be better.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2011-11-13 02:24:29 and read 5185 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 209):
IMO, QF's website could use a revamp. Does QF even list their fleet of a/c and seat maps in a user friendly fashion? Similarly, JQ's website is a joke.

As far as it goes, QF/JQ/DJ/NZ are pretty good in comparison to some others. CZ isnt even worth looking at, nor is JL and many other asian airlines (but not all, SQ is pretty good)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-13 02:30:48 and read 5163 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 211):
SQ is pretty good

When it works! I don't know an airline booking system that crashes more and even US' is usually faster (and theirs is painfully slow!). However, I agree it is well designed.

I actually think QF's is pretty good. EK would probably have to be my favourite.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: SCL767
Posted 2011-11-13 02:42:30 and read 5122 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 211):
As far as it goes, QF/JQ/DJ/NZ are pretty good in comparison to some others. CZ isnt even worth looking at, nor is JL and many other asian airlines (but not all, SQ is pretty good)

On CX's website, along with LA's website, I can book a ticket from SCL to destinations such as BKK, HKG, NRT, etc. On QF's website, it's impossible to do so.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-13 04:43:42 and read 4981 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 202):
311 seats
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 203):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 202):
A340-300 is 3-class with 243

It's the two-class A34B, so it doesn't have first class.

Therefore it is 26J/257Y=283.

The key difference is that the A340 has lie-flat business as opposed to "regional" recliner seats in a 2-2-2 configuration, which means that business is much lower density resulting in a lower overall seat count.

All Australian A330s from CX are 264 seat, 2 class birds. All have herringbone J and new Y. The A343s have a vastly smaller J cabin (26 seats vs 41 in the A330s). The product in both is identical...

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 209):
IMO, QF's website could use a revamp.

IIRC it got a refresh with the new branding, but I agree it's not the greatest. It does the job though, and is easily navigated even if it is lacking in some features. I actually prefer QF's way of displaying seat maps (with more detailed/technical info included), though some differentiation between the millions o0f 747 configs would be appreciated when looking at flights...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 212):
EK would probably have to be my favourite.

100% agree at the homepage, though I think the rest is pretty much on par with the rest of the industry... Very slick indeed.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 213):
On CX's website, along with LA's website, I can book a ticket from SCL to destinations such as BKK, HKG, NRT, etc. On QF's website, it's impossible to do so.

QF could easily add this capability, but I doubt it would be worth their time/effort/the cost for the extremely limited number of people based in Australia booking this route. For LA and CX it makes sense because they're the ones flying the route. QF/BA offer a similar capability with Australia-Europe flights...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-13 07:59:45 and read 4899 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 202):
The A330-300 in the 2-class config usually operated into Australia has 311 seats and the A340-300 is 3-class with 243. So there are F class seats in the A340, but overall it is a significant reduction in capacity.

No....thats the regional config, they dont use this aircraft on Australian services, with the exception of rare equipement swap.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 203):
Therefore it is 26J/257Y=283.

The key difference is that the A340 has lie-flat business as opposed to "regional" recliner seats in a 2-2-2 configuration, which means that business is much lower density resulting in a lower overall seat count.

No, both A330 and A340 share the exact same product. With the new Y (non recline sliding seats) and current J (herringbone) in a 1-1-1 config.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 214):
All Australian A330s from CX are 264 seat, 2 class birds. All have herringbone J and new Y. The A343s have a vastly smaller J cabin (26 seats vs 41 in the A330s). The product in both is identical...

Correct! Product is the same, just a smaller J cabin/larger Y cabin on the old A340s...

Seems strange to switch back to the old A340s...the newer A330s are much nicer, wonder if they are taking some A330s out of service to get the new J class upgrade hense the need to hang onto the A340s?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2011-11-13 13:25:47 and read 4803 times.

They did last summer as well however all 4 night flights were 343's this time only 3 of the 4.

Yes i flew on B-LAK last month to HKG out of BNE.I got one of the new y class seats (non reclining)

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2011-11-13 17:30:27 and read 4648 times.

So just to wrap up the CX A340 discussion:

It does represent an increase in overall capacity (264 on 333, 283 on 343).

However, J is being decreased from 41 to 26.

Both the A330s and A340s have the old-new Business Class product (lie-flats in a herringbone 1-1-1 format) and the CX shell seats in Y.



So out of interest does anyone know why they are changing 3 of their BNE flights to A340s?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: qf002
Posted 2011-11-13 18:50:51 and read 4568 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 215):
Seems strange to switch back to the old A340s...the newer A330s are much nicer, wonder if they are taking some A330s out of service to get the new J class upgrade hense the need to hang onto the A340s?
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 217):
So out of interest does anyone know why they are changing 3 of their BNE flights to A340s?

Well looking at the seat counts it would appear that they are reducing J and increasing Y. I guess summer travelers are probably the key reason (especially if they've done the same thing in the past...)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2011-11-14 02:11:53 and read 4297 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 218):
Well looking at the seat counts it would appear that they are reducing J and increasing Y. I guess summer travelers are probably the key reason (especially if they've done the same thing in the past...)

Seems odd though, they stopped the A340s on the route last year in October, before the summer season...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55
Username: TN486
Posted 2011-11-14 04:04:43 and read 4167 times.

Please continue discussions in the following Australian Aviation Thread #56 (by TN486 Nov 14 2011 in Civil Aviation)


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