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Topic: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-16 01:45:12 and read 8783 times.

This came as a surprise http://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2011/11/tg-suspends-athens-service/ but according to other sources ATH was suspended for winter only so far.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2011-11-16 01:55:50 and read 8714 times.

Well, TK recently started codesharing with TG on IST-BKK (both star carriers), so it might make more sense to rely on TK for IST-ATH rather than operate this route. We might see some codeshares on IST-Europe for TG on TK metal I guess.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-16 03:04:37 and read 8427 times.

Athens has been removed from timetable so its not bookable at TG even as code share, yet many other places not served still in there http://www.thaiairways.com/homepage/en/home.htm

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: someone83
Posted 2011-11-16 03:08:15 and read 8389 times.

Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
This came as a surprise

Not really as the whole Greek economy has gone down the drain

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: Dellatorre
Posted 2011-11-16 03:11:49 and read 8380 times.

I wonder how long will take for SQ to "give ATH the boot".

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: ju068
Posted 2011-11-16 03:14:43 and read 8355 times.

Well the Gulf carriers have been becoming more and more aggressive in Athens so this is sad, yet expected.

I remember some years ago I would be waiting for my flight to Belgrade in Athens and I would love seeing their MD-11s parked at the gate!

By the way, does anyone remember when they withhdrew their DC-10s? I found thta it was in 1998 but I remember seeing them in early 2000s in Athens.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2011-11-16 03:14:43 and read 8355 times.

This is saddening. I remember flying MNL-DMK-ATH v/v back in 2004 and while I was not particularly happy with the long layovers in DMK (among a few other issues I had with this trip), it's sad to see this route go since this was the first (and so far only) time I've flown TG.  

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: ual777uk
Posted 2011-11-16 03:23:32 and read 8294 times.

With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-16 04:04:19 and read 8077 times.

TG even used A300 there once upon a time.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2011-11-16 05:32:19 and read 7782 times.

The capacity freed up from the ATH cancellation will be used on TGs new 3 weekly route to BRU from Nov 17.
Hope this works better for TG.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: stylo777
Posted 2011-11-16 05:49:01 and read 7705 times.

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 4):

I wonder how long will take for SQ to "give ATH the boot".

it is already operating as a tag-on to the SIN-IST flight...

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: retrolivery
Posted 2011-11-16 07:28:18 and read 7453 times.

Quoting stylo777 (Reply 10):
it is already operating as a tag-on to the SIN-IST flight...

Do they possess 5th freedom rights for this? I didn't know they operated ATH as a tag, how interesting.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2011-11-16 07:41:29 and read 7390 times.

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Quoting retrolivery (Reply 11):
Do they possess 5th freedom rights for this? I didn't know they operated ATH as a tag, how interesting.

I remember checking prices for this flight, hoping to get a cheap way to try SQ but it was expensive. Sı in short it was bookable.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: United787
Posted 2011-11-16 07:43:03 and read 7381 times.

Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-16 09:09:36 and read 7183 times.

I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-11-16 14:55:16 and read 6740 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 14):
I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.

Which is why OA served Australia for quite a few years. Relevant Australian government information on the large Greek community in Australia.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/greece/greece_country_brief.html

Excerpt:

Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: lawair
Posted 2011-11-16 21:31:19 and read 6379 times.

Even before the debt crisis came to light, ATH felt like one of TG's weakest European routes, with a fair deal of equipment tinkering along the way. TG's relatively newer European stations (OSL and DME) have been doing fairly well in comparison, despite the fact that the ATH route has been around for far far longer. ATH might very well be a temporary suspension anyway though, considering that TG wants to bring back a couple of its former European routes. BRU is already one that is about to return, and VIE has been openly discussed as a restored route TG is eyeing.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: ju068
Posted 2011-11-16 22:24:46 and read 6255 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 13):
Forgive my ignorance but this seems like an odd route to begin with... What kind of traffic did it see? Are there some strong economic ties between these two countries? I don't see a lot of Greeks travelling to Thailand and vice versa... I don't know of any political ties? It isn't an alliance hub to hub route?

Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: ordjoe
Posted 2011-11-16 23:28:14 and read 5817 times.

While there is the Greek market how good are the yields? I really do not see it being all that high

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: OA260
Posted 2011-11-17 00:27:25 and read 5304 times.

Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.

TG is no surprise the Gulf carriers do very well and TK is actually offering great fares and connections Via IST Eastbound and Westbound. Whilst it will be a shame to see TG go it will have little effect on ATH . Take a look at the many many airlines that are still doing well numerous Gulf carriers and Star Alliance carriers.

As for SQ they have full rights to carry traffic ATH-IST-ATH They have even been offering citybreak fares in the Greek press and via travel agents. Fares are very cheap . I know this as I booked one myself .

And just an article some might be interested in :

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...rides-out-the-economic-storm-56430

A few new routes and capacity increases yet to be announced for Spring 2012  Wink

[Edited 2011-11-17 00:37:48]

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: United787
Posted 2011-11-17 06:31:07 and read 4510 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 14):
I think the Greek community in Australia were the main clientelle of TG and even SQ.
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):

Which is why OA served Australia for quite a few years. Relevant Australian government information on the large Greek community in Australia.
http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/greece/greece_country_brief.html

Excerpt:

Large numbers of Greeks migrated to Australia during the 1950s and 1960s; the 2006 Census records 109,980 Greece-born migrants, and 365,145 people of Greek ancestry living in Australia (based on country of birth of parents). Some estimates suggest the Greek community in Australia could be as large as 600,000. The Greek population is concentrated in Melbourne (41 per cent) and Sydney (30 per cent). Melbourne, Sister City to Thessaloniki, has been described as the third largest 'Greek city' in the world.
Quoting ju068 (Reply 17):
Massive Greek diaspora living in Australia. It's for the same reason that Emirates send their A330-200 daily to Cyprus (with the flight continuing to Malta). They are aiming at the rather large Greek Cypriot community in Australia (and South Africa).

Duh! As a Greek-American who studied abroad in Melbourne I should have thought of that...      

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-17 07:04:56 and read 4442 times.

Philippine Airlines was another one catering Greek-Aussies uptil the 80s.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-11-17 13:11:19 and read 4182 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Quoting ual777uk (Reply 7):
With everything going on in Greece I think many carriers will pull the plug or at least suspend.

And where do you get that informtion from ? Its actually wrong. Many airlines have increased capacity into ATH and next year there will be an increase in traffic to many Greek airports. Greece is actually more attractive now as there are deals and incentives being offered.

However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

One recent example.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-15362678

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: OA260
Posted 2011-11-17 14:11:02 and read 4064 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

Most people are not affected by it. I have been caught up in two strikes in the last few months and even these are handled like clockwork. You can have a riot or protest in one small contained area whilst a few streets away everything else is normal. The number of strikes have reduced substantially especially the ones that would effect tourists. Advance bookings for Greece in 2012 is very promising so far and major European operators of package holidays are increasing capacity. Most people who visited Greece and Athens in 2011 had a hassle free experience. Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain . People get over it .

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: lewis
Posted 2011-11-17 14:45:44 and read 3977 times.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
Just like strikes in France/Italy and Spain

Fortunately for those countries, they are never shown abroad the way the Greek strikes are.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

The only thing that would deter me would be possible strikes and missing a ferry to an island or something. Safety-wise, what you see on TV and on BBC is contained in a very small part of the downtown area. I have grown up and lived in Athens for most of my life, I have never come across any demonstrations that I would call disruptive, simply because most things you see in those images are in front of the Parliament only.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: ju068
Posted 2011-11-17 22:41:45 and read 3765 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 22):
However, news of the frequent strikes and related protests in the streets and related disturbances is likely to deter many potential visitors. I was recently thinking of a trip to ATH due to the many low fares now available but was deterred by the risk of those types of disruptions.

Well like it was mentioned earlier, a lot of airlines announced that they will be increasing their flights to Greece this coming summer.
I was supposed to fly to Rhodes for a conference in early October but my flight got cancelled due to the strike. I doubt that will deter me from going back to Greece. I am sure that the vast majority of Europeans (at least from Eastern Europe) share the same opinion with me.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: EK413
Posted 2011-11-17 23:14:06 and read 3721 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 3):
Quoting 777way (Thread starter):
This came as a surprise

Not really as the whole Greek economy has gone down the drain

        

Surprised... Just check out the Greek economy http://greekeconomy.blogspot.com/

EK413

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: tomcat
Posted 2011-11-18 11:55:35 and read 3332 times.

Let's also note that many Greek people are now moving abroad, since there are even less work opportunities than before. The Greek diaspora will increase again, which will once again increase its demand for ethnic flights to Athens.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: staralliance85
Posted 2011-11-18 13:10:01 and read 3217 times.

ATH is a very weak market and has got worse with their crumbling economy. TG should just rely on TK to get their passengers to Greece. That being said do you ever see TG starting a BKK-IST route?

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 777way
Posted 2011-11-19 01:25:09 and read 2879 times.

Quoting staralliance85 (Reply 28):
That being said do you ever see TG starting a BKK-IST route?

They did in the 90s, thats the one that brought A300 to as far as Athens as a tag on, though it was originally with DC-10. possibly MD-11 as well.

Topic: RE: Thai End Athens Service After 36 Years
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2011-11-21 06:34:59 and read 2250 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 3):
Not really as the whole Greek economy has gone down the drain
Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 4):
I wonder how long will take for SQ to "give ATH the boot".

let's not forget that in recent years competition has increased substantially, particularly between Australia and Athens.

a decade ago Olympic 3pw, TG 3pw and SQ 3pw were the main players.

today the route is served by EK 7pw, QR 14pw and EY 7pw, as well as by TK and others.


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