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Topic: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-01-04 03:16:31 and read 10762 times.

Emirates airlines today announced the start of nonstop flight between its Dubai homebase and Ho Chi Minh City in Vietnam:

http://www.emirates.com/ae/english/a...etail.aspx?article=759494&offset=0

From June 04, the airline will operate a daily A332 in a 2-class operation and the flight will upgauge to a 2-class B77W with the onset of the winter season at the end of October. Proposed schedule for the new service is as follows:

EK0390 DXB SGN 0925 1920
EK0391 SGN DXB 2050 0045

The new flight will operate from the airline's already busy morning departure bank and return into its main midnight arrivals bank. Connectivity of the outbound service is excellent, as EK0390 will connect to all overnight arrivals, including almost 20 overnight services from Europe. Inbound services offer limited direct connectivity to Europe, with short connections only available to the airline's for now small 3am European departure bank.

I would expect this announcement to be followed by further announcements of a number of new destinations and reinforced frequencies during 2012. High on the hitlist of EK should be new services to Stockholm and Barcelone in Europe, and an additional North American destination as well as some further West African expansion. Emirates is also expected to announce additional frequencies to such destinations as Amsterdam, Madrid and Moscow. In Asia, an additional city in Indonesia is in the cards.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2012-01-04 04:12:03 and read 10539 times.

This has been coming.

I'd expect Macau on an A332 in due course and possibly HKT using same eventually. Fuzhou and perhaps Xiamen in China all beckon fairly shortly I'd imagine, rights permitting.

Other routes I expect they'll look at eventually -

LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Hard to see where else they can fly to!

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-01-04 04:14:33 and read 10527 times.

That´s great...

I always wonder why they didn´t serve Vietnam if they serve almost everywhere around there...

I also though they were going to add a tag on BKK, but a non stop is great...

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: QantasA333
Posted 2012-01-04 04:14:55 and read 10533 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Hard to see where else they can fly to!

It's gonna be a battlefield to be the first middle eastern carrier to service ADL. Emirates have been putting that one off.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-04 04:15:41 and read 10534 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Pune with a 77W? DRW? BND? RAK?  

[Edited 2012-01-04 04:16:13]

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: arn777
Posted 2012-01-04 04:24:59 and read 10445 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

HEL? A couple of years too early.

But:
+ARN (332)
+OSL (332)

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: CHRISBA777ER
Posted 2012-01-04 05:09:03 and read 10252 times.

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 4):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):


Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

Pune with a 77W? DRW? BND? RAK

Pune is an emerging IT centre as firms move out of Mumbai and quite populous – a lot of the migrant workers come from there and it’s a relatively short hop to DXB. They can’t add BOM frequencies easily so I think a two class 77W daily to Pune (PNQ?) would do well I think.

Darwin has good connections for the offshore oil and gas business springing up north and north east of there.

Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

RAK agree mainly touristy so yields rubbish but a lot of demand for it as a destination – maybe something to look at in future. Good connections to LPA and the Canaries which are big for shipping so yields in front (and cargo) very good.

But hey, what do I know - youre the airline planner guy, right?  

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-04 05:20:06 and read 10165 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
But hey, what do I know - youre the airline planner guy, right?

Not me, no. Still, I think those four are very much down the list of possibilities. But regardless, we shall have to see.  

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-01-04 05:20:40 and read 10164 times.

Quoting QantasA333 (Reply 3):
It's gonna be a battlefield to be the first middle eastern carrier to service ADL. Emirates have been putting that one off.

Cities like ADL and SGN are why Ek really need a 788/9 size aircraft.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: RayChuang
Posted 2012-01-04 05:24:03 and read 10121 times.

I think DXB-DTW may need an A388, since the Detroit area has a large Arab population.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2012-01-04 05:36:29 and read 10064 times.

Seems like they did serve Vietnam in 1996-1997 !

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2012-01-04 05:40:49 and read 10047 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

Is Budapest still up and coming ? I suspect it too is suffering financially along with the rest of Hungary. But, in any case, Budapest is already served by QR.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-04 05:43:41 and read 10038 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

Notice I didn't question BUD but rather BWN (I wrongly put BND earlier due to temporary instanity).  

[Edited 2012-01-04 05:44:47]

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Gunsontheroof
Posted 2012-01-04 05:52:35 and read 9988 times.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 9):
I think DXB-DTW may need an A388, since the Detroit area has a large Arab population.

But how much premium traffic would EK pull on this route? If the DTW-MidEast non-stop market was such a sure shot, you can bet DL would already have a bird heading in that direction...they thus far seem more interested in sending their heavy metal to the other side of the Asian continent and RJ is the only carrier with a non-stop, currently serving DTW-AMM 3x weekly. Not exactly a strong case for that kind of added capacity, especially given the lack of connections on the DTW end with a much more lucrative unserved market (ORD) not that far away...

EK will almost certainly end up at DTW sometime this decade, but I'll be very surprised if they throw an A388 at the route, no matter how many of them they have to go around. The numbers just aren't there. A daily 777 would be more than sufficient.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand. Nice to see EK fill in the SGN gap on their route map. I'm a little surprised that it didn't start life as a tag-on from say, BKK, but it should do well for them. Even with their limited reach into Europe, the folks at VT can't be too happy about this one...those A350/B787 orders can't roll in soon enough!

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: LH422
Posted 2012-01-04 06:26:59 and read 9851 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
DFW (77L)

DFW is already decided. Service starts Feb. 2.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2012-01-04 06:45:30 and read 9777 times.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
Nice to see EK fill in the SGN gap on their route map. I'm a little surprised that it didn't start life as a tag-on from say, BKK, but it should do well for them. Even with their limited reach into Europe, the folks at VT can't be too happy about this one...those A350/B787 orders can't roll in soon enough!

Note that it's the second attempt by EK to serve SGN. EK started flying there some years back only to axe services after a short while. I feel EK's arrival in SGN could impact on Vietnam Air who started a non-stop service into LGW barely one month ago. EK's London-SGN flights will take longer but it will compensate by offering more UK departure points.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2012-01-04 07:32:36 and read 9622 times.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 15):
Note that it's the second attempt by EK to serve SGN. EK started flying there some years back only to axe services after a short while. I feel EK's arrival in SGN could impact on Vietnam Air who started a non-stop service into LGW barely one month ago. EK's London-SGN flights will take longer but it will compensate by offering more UK departure points.

It was indeed a 4 weekly service with the A313 back in 1995-96-97.

It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

It will undoubtedly be a success for European connections as far as EK is concerned.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-04 07:34:57 and read 9614 times.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 16):
It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

I am not disagreeing with you, but based on what?

[Edited 2012-01-04 07:35:18]

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-01-04 07:50:53 and read 9542 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
LED (A343 or 772)
IAD (77W)
Pune (77W)
BCN (77W)
EDI (A332)
LYS (?)
MIA (77W)
DTW (77W)
DFW (77L)
DRW (A332 or 772)
BRU (A332)
HEL (?)
WAW (A332)
BUD (A332)
ZAG (772)
Bandar Seri Begawan (A332)
Marakech (?)

LED is already part of the EK network, while DFW will be shortly. HEL will see QR service this year and EK has other priorities in Scandinavia, with ARN on top of the to do list. BCN, BRU are likely candidates for EK service, as are IAD, MIA and DTW, although ORD will likely precede DTW. EDI is under consideration given that TK will start flights there, but EK may as well opt for a second daily GLA service. Secondary destinations in France and Italy are being contemplated so LYS is an option. BUD is already served by QR and ZAG in on the QR wishlist. BWN is not the kind of market EK is interested in, and neither is MFM. I believe ADL will see EK service before DRW.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there

BUD is not without service. QR is offering daily service there.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 16):
It seems QR is doing great on the DOH-SGN/HAN runs.

Yet QR recently gave up its nonstop SGN service in favor of a BKK tag on. All of QR's 14 weekly Vietnam flights pass through BKK. EK will offer nonstop flights right away.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: ju068
Posted 2012-01-04 07:54:05 and read 9519 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
ZAG (772)

Highly unlikely they would launch Zagreb and especially not using a B772. If anything they will do what they did with Belgrade, sned in flydubai.
With Qatar launching ZAG flights doubt they would consider competing with them on such a limited market.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Budapest is an up and coming business destination like Prague is and nobody else serves there into the MEG and beyond – there is a lot of Chinese investment in Hungary (and Romania) and an A332 might work ok. Not now, but perhaps in 2013?

No way they would launch Budapest anytime soon. Qatar operates directly there and the loads are not crazy. If anything they would expand first into KBP and WAW.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-01-04 08:22:24 and read 9425 times.

This is definately one of the 'expected expansions.' However, I would have bet on a later start after other route launches. Cest la vie, I guess EK's planning department knows a little more than I do on where to fly.  

Since everyone else is proposing sites, where is Jakarta on EK's route map?

Quoting HB-IWC (Thread starter):
Inbound services offer limited direct connectivity to Europe, with short connections only available to the airline's for now small 3am European departure bank.

This interests me. Why the poor return connection timing? I guess EK will package a short hotel stay until the 7am to 11 am departure wave? Or is this a clue the 3rd European connection wave will grow?  
Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Seems like they did serve Vietnam in 1996-1997 !

Interesting it is taking them almost 15 years to return... Wee bit of early entry into the market?  
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
Fuzhou and perhaps Xiamen in China all beckon fairly shortly I'd imagine, rights permitting.

What are EK's rights to China? I'm surprised by the lack of growth. I'd put Xiamen high on the list, but after Wuhan and then Chungdu and Chungking.

Quoting arn777 (Reply 5):
But:
+ARN (332)
+OSL (332)

I would agree.   

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 8):
Cities like ADL and SGN are why Ek really need a 788/9 size aircraft.

Which is why QR bought the 788.  
Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
All of QR's 14 weekly Vietnam flights pass through BKK. EK will offer nonstop flights right away.

That I find interesting. I wonder if they will make 7 weekly non-stop to better compete with EK?

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Pune is an emerging IT centre as firms move out of Mumbai and quite populous

PUN seems like a natural, but does EK have any spare India rights? I thought they were maxed out.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-01-04 08:44:04 and read 9329 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
where is Jakarta on EK's route map?

Twice daily B77W already. I am expecting EK to add a second Indonesian city (DPS or SUB) by extending the new SIN flight EK0354/0355 which sits on the ground for almost 12 hours.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Why the poor return connection timing?

For the sake of connections, EK would have been better of to keep the aircraft on the ground in SGN until after midnight and return to DXB by 5am, but clearly the airline decided differently. Optimal connectivity to Europe is available with the 3am bank to LHR, LGW, MAN, FRA and CDG, but all other connections have a 7-hour wait at DXB. I presume EK will add another couple of cities to the 3am Europe bank (DME, BHX, ZRH, MXP) which should further improve connectivity.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: kevin
Posted 2012-01-04 08:44:23 and read 9329 times.

What about Russian Far East and Central Asia? That part of the world is completely blank (apart from Etihad who flies to Astana). Will we see EK or QR in these areas?

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: ronerone
Posted 2012-01-04 09:48:15 and read 9100 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
This interests me. Why the poor return connection timing? I guess EK will package a short hotel stay until the 7am to 11 am departure wave? Or is this a clue the 3rd European connection wave will grow?  

This European bank should just about be all that the SGN service needs to connect to. With the new CDG 3am service, Vietnam is pretty much connected where it needs to be, in both directions on the Emirates network.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-01-04 10:59:21 and read 8557 times.

Quoting ronerone (Reply 23):
This European bank should just about be all that the SGN service needs to connect to. With the new CDG 3am service, Vietnam is pretty much connected where it needs to be, in both directions on the Emirates network.

With London, Paris and Frankfurt, the 3am bank offers direct connectivity to all but Moscow among VN's European destinations, but then EK is expected to add a DME flight to the 3am bank soon.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: sq_ek_freak
Posted 2012-01-04 11:57:16 and read 8399 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
Interesting it is taking them almost 15 years to return... Wee bit of early entry into the market?

As far as I knew it was a problem with corruption within the ground handling company as well as issues with freight theft?

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 20):
PUN seems like a natural, but does EK have any spare India rights? I thought they were maxed out.

I didn't think we did have any spare capacity into India.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
Twice daily B77W already. I am expecting EK to add a second Indonesian city (DPS or SUB) by extending the new SIN flight EK0354/0355 which sits on the ground for almost 12 hours.

Word of the wise is that it'll be Denpasar.

Quoting kevin (Reply 22):
What about Russian Far East and Central Asia? That part of the world is completely blank (apart from Etihad who flies to Astana). Will we see EK or QR in these areas?

Baku might make a return from what I hear - however the central Asian destinations will more likely be served by FlyDubai rather than EK is the general consensus I hear via crew gossip (however reliable that is).

With regards to South East Asian expansion, I heard that Cebu is in the cards as well as Surabaya and Medan? In Africa, I hear FIH is very high on the list, followed by KGL, OUA and NIM and also heard something about MBA (though FZ might take that one too).

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-01-04 13:07:38 and read 7906 times.

Quoting kevin (Reply 22):
What about Russian Far East and Central Asia? That part of the world is completely blank (apart from Etihad who flies to Astana). Will we see EK or QR in these areas?

I am assuming by "blank" you mean the dearth of services from the GCC Airlines?

That area, otherwise, can be called TK's backyard! 

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-01-04 13:13:44 and read 8009 times.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
Optimal connectivity to Europe is available with the 3am bank to LHR, LGW, MAN, FRA and CDG, but all other connections have a 7-hour wait at DXB. I presume EK will add another couple of cities to the 3am Europe bank (DME, BHX, ZRH, MXP) which should further improve connectivity.

Better connectivity that I feared... I'm not sure how much demand there is BHX to SGN, but I could see DME, ZRH, and MXP all selling a few seats.

Unfortunately, the images in your ultimate analysis are blocked by the firewall, does the 3am departure bank offer decent connections to Ex-French colonies too?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
Twice daily B77W already.

Thank you. I pulled up EK's route map, from their site, and it had dropped off the map!    Maybe just a computer glich on my end?

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 24):
but then EK is expected to add a DME flight to the 3am bank soon.

What are EK's Russian rights? I keep expecting to see faster Russian expansion... It is economics, aircraft, or bilaterals slowing EK into Russia?

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
As far as I knew it was a problem with corruption within the ground handling company as well as issues with freight theft?

I recall that issue too.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
Word of the wise is that it'll be Denpasar.

That makes sense. Indonesia 'secondary cities' would be a profitable addition to EK's network.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
Baku might make a return from what I hear - however the central Asian destinations will more likely be served by FlyDubai rather than EK is the general consensus I hear via crew gossip (however reliable that is).

If EK has the rights, that makes sense (due to the 'yield mix' I envision those cities having).

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
I didn't think we did have any spare capacity into India.

I didn't either, but it never hurts to ask.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: vincewy
Posted 2012-01-04 16:11:45 and read 6968 times.

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 9):
I think DXB-DTW may need an A388, since the Detroit area has a large Arab population

The majority of the Arab population in Michigan consists of Lebanese, Jordanian, Palestinian, and Syrian. Going through DXB means backtracking all the way down to Persian Gulf unless the fares are really low , besides the dearth of premium traffic (same as YUL). Other than RJ adding a few more weekly flights, the only other possibility will be for TK to add 3-5 weekly, maybe one-stop via YUL.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: nethkt
Posted 2012-01-04 20:44:35 and read 5977 times.

Please, I need a non-stop DXB-HKT doesn't matter if it's A330-200 or B777-200/300.
We do need non-stop service non the via KUL a.k.a QR!
Hope there will be enough demand to sustain the service though, but cheap fares from EK may create it's own demand!

Thanks for the news!
NET-HKT

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2012-01-04 21:55:25 and read 5740 times.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
I believe ADL will see EK service before DRW.

Agree. ADL is a city of 1M, DRW 150K.
that said, there is a lot of economic activity in northern Australia that gulf carriers would be considering.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
Twice daily B77W already. I am expecting EK to add a second Indonesian city (DPS or SUB) by extending the new SIN flight EK0354/0355 which sits on the ground for almost 12 hours.

there's a lot of 5th freedom capacity on SIN-DPS between QR and KL, and now possibly EK.
seems that DPS and CGK are quite popular for these tags.

does EK have rights for SIN-HKT? all narowbody operators at the moment, and mostly LCC's.

schedule would also be attractive in the local market.

EK 354 DXB 03:25 SIN 14:45

SIN 16:15 / HKT 17:15

HKT 21:30 / SIN 00:20

EK 355 SIN 02:00 DXB 05:10

[Edited 2012-01-04 21:56:04]

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: byronicle6
Posted 2012-01-04 23:20:41 and read 5410 times.

Just throwing it out there, maybe we could see a non-stop DXB-AKL flight from EK at some point?

Other Asian ports I could see working:

HKT
SUB
DPS
TPE
HAN
SZX
KMG
CTU

Surprised, considering EK's huge network that there are not more Chinese routes

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: NUAir
Posted 2012-01-04 23:58:55 and read 5250 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
As far as I knew it was a problem with corruption within the ground handling company as well as issues with freight theft?

I believe it has more to do with excessive fuel prices from Vinapco who have a very bizarre and uncontrolled monopoly (they have been known to not supply fuel to certain airlines and ask for bribes). Petrolimex has access but so far have had limited participation in the market. Quite a few airlines refuel in neighboring countries rather than deal with Vinapco.

I would think a far greeter issue for SGN is capacity. Anyone who has been there knows that airport is operating way beyond its means and is at something like 160% of terminal passenger capacity (although more an issue with domestic flights)? I'm guessing Emirates is using the same slots as they did with their BKK flights?

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-05 01:10:50 and read 5036 times.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 31):
Surprised, considering EK's huge network that there are not more Chinese routes

“We want a lot more from China, at least another four destinations,” said Tim Clark in http://www.flightglobal.com/page/interviews/tim-clark/the-interview/

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: rajrs
Posted 2012-01-05 02:12:50 and read 4772 times.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 6):
Pune is an emerging IT centre as firms move out of Mumbai and quite populous – a lot of the migrant workers come from there and it’s a relatively short hop to DXB. They can’t add BOM frequencies easily so I think a two class 77W daily to Pune (PNQ?) would do well I think.

And Pune is major Automobile hub also , but flight with 777 is not possible due to runway length. LH operating Privatair 737 on FRA-PNQ route.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: LH422
Posted 2012-01-05 05:14:35 and read 4386 times.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 31):
maybe we could see a non-stop DXB-AKL flight from EK at some point?

I think that would be kind of neat, and for once, a ULH route I might even get to use (we don't get many of those in Europe). It would be 400 nm longer than EK's currently longest route DXB-LAX. It would even be longer that SIN-LAX. I'm guessing the 77L could not make it with full pax/cargo?

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-01-05 05:48:12 and read 4306 times.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 18):
EDI is under consideration given that TK will start flights there

Umm maybe I've missed something but when did TK announce EDI? There has been a few rumours and I know from speaking to management at EDI there is a wide body service to the middle east in discussion, but nothing announced.

I personally don't see an EK service at EDI. GLA is an hours drive and is within the chauffeur drive range for J pax. NCL is also available although less convenient. I'd expect to see EY at EDI with the A330 before any of the others.

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-01-05 09:21:55 and read 4066 times.

I'm still trying to get my mind around the limited return connections to Europe for this flight. Are the 'in-airport' hotels crowded at midnight to 7am? I believe Concourse 3 is bringing in another 2 'within DXB' hotels? (That's how I interpret the press releases.) Or is it likely EK will sell a Dubai (out of airport) hotel package with these flights?


Off thread questions but related:
1. What is the Concourse 3 status? I see it is supposed to open in 2012, but when?
2. Any chance of flights to Burma (say 3X/week)?

Per prior discussion: Jakarta is back on EK's route map for my viewing. I swear it wasn't there yesterday...

While trying to answer some of my own questions, I see the UAE has been active expanding the 'Air service Agreement' portion of bilaterals:
http://www.dubaifaqs.com/flights-uae.php

I noted that in 2011 the UAE negotiated:
1. Unlimited flights to/from Bosnia
2. Cambodia (limit one flight/day per UAE airline)
3. New agreement with Finland (details sparse)
4. Luxembourg (details sparse)
5. Mauritania unlimited flights
6. Romania unlimited flights, but some restrictions on 5th freedom (huh? EK needs 6th freedom)
7. Swaziland: OPEN SKIES!
8. Ukraine: but again restrictions on 5th freedom rights (again, EK/EY operate on 6th freedom)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedoms_of_the_air

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 33):
“We want a lot more from China, at least another four destinations,” said Tim Clark in http://www.flightglobal.com/page/int...view/

I'm surprised only four. I can name five Chinese cities EK could probably make a profit from day 1!

What is the limit on EK flights to China? I'm curious to know if there

From the above flightglobal link: "This is a robust presence in the points that we serve on a minimum of a daily basis and eventually two or three times a day.”

In a way that makes sense. EK will have the toughest time growing at the 3 busiest waves and no issue what so ever in the #4 "regional wave." For many cities, aircraft could 'come or go' in that 4th underutilized wave and help grow to 3X/day for each city. I'm just wondering how they'll do it with DWC stalled due to the global financial (insert word here).

It also points to how hub wave focused EK is: "“When I open the door of an aircraft in Dubai and I’ve got 40 points serving it, each with five people on, I’ve got 200 people on board simply because we are there in their markets.”

Which implies he wants to increase the connections. Time for concourse 3!    I wonder how many cities would send 2 to 10 people to 40+ destinations for EK? (I'm talking about per flight, averaged over say a year.)

Quoting LH422 (Reply 35):
would be 400 nm longer than EK's currently longest route DXB-LAX. It would even be longer that SIN-LAX. I'm guessing the 77L could not make it with full pax/cargo?

DXB-AKL would be interesting, but is there enough premium demand to pay for the ULH? The 77L should be able to do the route with full pax, but little (if any) cargo. IMHO, the route wouldn't work as AKL-BKK/SIN/KUL-Europe would be far lower cost (ULH is expensive) and there would be little advantage for the majority of AKL customers. It is simply a case where DXB/DWC would not be at the 'right geographic crossroads' for the best service. That is the problem with the hubbing market... competing hubs.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: HB-IWC
Posted 2012-01-05 09:27:29 and read 4061 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
Word of the wise is that it'll be Denpasar.

I have heard over and over again that the new EK345/355 would be extended to DPS but so far it has not happened. I still believe it is the prime candidate for such as tag as I can just not see the aircraft sitting in SIN for 12 hours, but then the flight could as well be extended to a different city. Cebu, Phuket, Hanoi, Surabaya and Medan are all possibilities, as is a reschedule of EK355 to an earlier departure time from SIN, I guess.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
I heard that Cebu is in the cards

I think that EK is looking for more seats into MNL as well, but I do not believe that the current Bilateral Air Services Agreement allows for more frequencies. I also do not know whether EK even has the right to open DXB CEB flights, but the potential to fill the seats is definitely there.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 25):
I hear FIH is very high on the list

EK has hired a couple of former Sabena FIH people to assist them in launching DXB FIH flights, potentially in combination with some other city in the region. I would say that FIH currently is on top of EK's list of new destinations.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 36):
Umm maybe I've missed something but when did TK announce EDI?

TK announced last week that it would start IST EDI flights in the course of 2012.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 36):
I personally don't see an EK service at EDI. GLA is an hours drive and is within the chauffeur drive range for J pax.

I also believe that EK will add a second daily DXB GLA rotation rather than adding EDI, but the possibility of EDI is at least on the table.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: PezySPU
Posted 2012-01-05 09:36:27 and read 4038 times.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 19):

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 1):
ZAG (772)

Highly unlikely they would launch Zagreb and especially not using a B772. If anything they will do what they did with Belgrade, sned in flydubai.
With Qatar launching ZAG flights doubt they would consider competing with them on such a limited market.

   Definitely not any time soon, especially if QR launches the announced A320 service.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: arn777
Posted 2012-01-05 09:52:33 and read 4023 times.

EK is looking for Norwegain CC now: http://www.finn.no/finn/job/fulltime/object?finnkode=32555949

I have a feeling we will see more EK in Scandinavia in 2012.

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-01-05 11:23:06 and read 3927 times.

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 38):
TK announced last week that it would start IST EDI flights in the course of 2012.

Do you have a source for this? Nothing on the TK or EDI airports and nothing coming up on Google. The only thing I can find is the booking sites offering TK from Edinburgh but that includes a change in London with Star Alliance.

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-01-06 04:27:16 and read 3579 times.

Interesting pieces from a Routesonline* article:

1) Starting with a two-class Airbus A330-200 but plans to upgrade the route to a two-class Boeing 777-300ER from October 28, 2012.

2) Trade between the UAE and Vietnam exceeded US$24 million in 2010 and Emirates, through its cargo arm SkyCargo, has had an active presence in the market for a number of years. Vietnamese exports – which range the full value chain from high-end tablet PCs, smartphones and printers to garments, sportswear and shoes – have been shipped through other Emirates’ Asian gateways including Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong on to European, American, Middle Eastern and African markets.

3) In the past year an estimated 36,000 O&D passengers flew between Vietnam and the Middle East, with around 25,000 flying between the South East Asian country and Africa and a further 1.19 million with Europe, the latter figure up a notable 20.1 per cent on the previous 12 month period.

* http://www.routesonline.com/news/36/...irates-airline-returns-to-vietnam/

[Edited 2012-01-06 04:29:05]

Topic: RE: Emirates To Launch Vietnam Service
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-01-06 19:19:34 and read 3197 times.

MFM is already well served by their flights into HKG. I can not see the point of EK having both destinations.

DRW is no chance, but ADL definately is up there at some point. The hold off for so long by the gulf carriers seems to show that they are cautious about the profitability of the route, likely the premium class demand.


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