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Topic: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: fco110
Posted 2012-01-05 16:12:25 and read 3627 times.

I was in FCO and on the in bound and out bound I saw an Emirates A380 at the airport. It appears to be a quick turnaround. Can FCO support a 380 from anywhere? Or is this simply a stop en route to another location?

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-01-05 16:25:25 and read 3590 times.

Quoting fco110 (Thread starter):
Can FCO support a 380 from anywhere?

Emirates flies DXB-FCO-DXB so there must be enough support at both ends (and onward from DXB) to support an A380 on the route. If they couldn't you'd see a 777 or A340 on the route and not an A380.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: blink182
Posted 2012-01-05 16:30:00 and read 3572 times.

The aircraft's scheduled routing is DXB-FCO-DXB. EK97 on the inbound, EK98 outbound. How EK makes such a route work, particularly as there already is another EK flight with a 77W, is beyond my knowledge. Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

That should answer the first part of your question, but I'm sure the Italian and UAE a.nutters can fill in more gaps as to the economics and history of this route.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-01-05 17:11:25 and read 3497 times.

Someone I work with flew through FCO on another carrier then got on the Emirates A380 to Dubai, but he said it was half empty.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-01-05 17:22:07 and read 3466 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
Someone I work with flew through FCO on another carrier then got on the Emirates A380 to Dubai, but he said it was half empty.

I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all. While the passenger cabin may not be showing high loads, cargo goes at a rate that can more than cover the empty seats. There's no telling how many routes that airlines fly that if it wasn't for the cargo revenues, they would have long since dropped the route.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: 9MMPQ
Posted 2012-01-06 03:15:58 and read 3091 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
While the passenger cabin may not be showing high loads, cargo goes at a rate that can more than cover the empty seats.

While there is quite some cargo on offer ex Italy it is generally viewed as a somewhat lower yielding cargo market. The fact they can take cargo directly from FCO rather then truck it to another station in Europe will save them some money but i'd doubt it will be enough to support a half empty flight year round, if that really were the case.

Frankly you'd need the insight from a regular traveller on the route or EK employee to get any real sense of passenger loads year round.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 1):
If they couldn't you'd see a 777 or A340 on the route and not an A380.

Agreed, they have been quite careful in growing markets & have been upgrading once they felt traffic could sustain bigger aircraft. Meanwhile MH will be dropping FCO & EK has swapped one of it's B77W on KUL-DXB for the A380. More passengers to EK ?

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: gkirk
Posted 2012-01-06 03:25:11 and read 3060 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all.

2 x 777 can carry more cargo than 1 x 777 and 1 x 380. Must be pax demand.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: TCASAlert
Posted 2012-01-06 04:29:25 and read 2906 times.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 2):
The aircraft's scheduled routing is DXB-FCO-DXB. EK97 on the inbound, EK98 outbound. How EK makes such a route work, particularly as there already is another EK flight with a 77W, is beyond my knowledge. Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

Don't forget we're not just talking traffic to DXB. EK rely heavily on connecting traffic, and have an excellent route network across Asia and Africa, much of the traffic will connect to other flights heading to Africa, the Middle East and the Indian Sub Continent.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: Cassi
Posted 2012-01-06 05:31:22 and read 2801 times.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 2):
Been operating for probably a year or so, maybe less?

You mean the A380? Only since 1st December 2011, so for barely more than a month.

http://www.emirates.com/it/english/f...0_double_decker_to_serve_rome.aspx

This is the advantage of having a super-hub like DXB. It is much easier to keep high load factors on feeder flights (with an A380). EK is not only the biggest operator of the whale, but probably the most efficient one as well.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: aklrno
Posted 2012-01-06 15:14:06 and read 2476 times.

Is this how all those Ferraris get to the middle east?

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2012-01-06 15:19:31 and read 2463 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
I'm thinking that perhaps there is enough cargo demand out of FCO to DXB that they need the cargo capacity of an A380 to keep up with the demand as two 777s couldn't carry it all.
Quoting gkirk (Reply 6):
2 x 777 can carry more cargo than 1 x 777 and 1 x 380.

As gkirk says, the B77W actually has a lot more cargo capacity than the A380 does. That's definitely not it.

Topic: RE: Emirates A380 In FCO
Username: gkirk
Posted 2012-01-07 00:35:10 and read 2310 times.

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 10):
As gkirk says, the B77W actually has a lot more cargo capacity than the A380 does. That's definitely not it.

In fact, I've got a feeling that even the A332 carries more cargo than the A380? A380s are usually full of bags, so very little room for cargo


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