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Topic: Pan Am's Early 1960s Timetables With JET Flights.
Username: doulasc
Posted 2012-01-14 07:28:14 and read 3220 times.

In the early 1960s Pan Am designated their flights that were Jet aircraft with JET instead of the specific type of aircraft used for the flight. They had Douglas DC-8s,Boeing 707-121Bs,Boeing 707-321-non fan, and Boeing 707-321B and Cs were slowly joining the fleet. Is it possoble that for example a flight from New York to London could be a DC-8 one day, then a Boeing 707 the next day or week. The few piston flights Pan Am had then still told the specific aircraft for the flight.

Topic: RE: Pan Am's Early 1960s Timetables With JET Flights.
Username: dennys
Posted 2012-01-14 21:39:25 and read 2822 times.

Hi
from what i know , they PA flew their 707-320 non fan and 707-320B or C from NYC to Europe towards 1962 . The DC8 flew on other sectors , but i encountered the same problem , they used JET To mension the aircraft type for their 707s and DC8s scheduled flights , which is sad for passionated 707 and DC8 's Fans .
Regards
dennys

Topic: RE: Pan Am's Early 1960s Timetables With JET Flights.
Username: m404
Posted 2012-01-15 21:57:42 and read 2472 times.

I don't have any examples but would like to confirm that the flights in question were in fact operated by PA and not an Interline service? On other carriers of the time these would be "JET" to designate that service.

Topic: RE: Pan Am's Early 1960s Timetables With JET Flights.
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-15 22:03:05 and read 2464 times.

Quoting m404 (Reply 2):
I don't have any examples but would like to confirm that the flights in question were in fact operated by PA and not an Interline service?

Yes, I've seen examples of that too. They were PA flights. I've seen other old timetables of other airlines that also used JET if the equipment varied. I think Western did that sometimes too.

I think the OP wants to know whether PA really interchanged the 707 and DC-8s and various routes day by day, or if each airplane type was flown on set routes and PA just gerericized both types as "JET" in the timetables. My PA knowledge and timetables don't go back that far to DC-8 days.

Topic: RE: Pan Am's Early 1960s Timetables With JET Flights.
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-01-15 22:28:36 and read 2441 times.

I remember as a kid Eastern flew different aircraft types on the same route. In 1963 we flew Eastern from BWI-MIA-BWI.
Back then BWI was BAL for Friendship International Airport. We went to Miami for 2 weeks in July that year to visit our grandparents. Me, my parents and sister who was 2. My Aunt and my 2 cousins flew with us both ways. The trip from BWI-MIA was a Boeing 720 the return leg was my first flight on a DC-8 complete with curtains and Palomar seats.

Depending on day of week and time of day many times Eastern flew different aircraft types on different days on the same route. Later on you could fly the above route on a 727 or DC-9. As we got into the wide body era Eastern's BWI-MIA flights were usually 727's but on busy days and busier times of year such as Winter and Spring Break you could get lucky and get an L1011 or A-300. I was never that lucky.

On old timetables for many airlines such as Eastern and DL it would just list jet and there would be fine print saying it could be one of their types of jets. When movies came out, (mid 1960s) airline brochures would highlight an old time movie camera where the reel housings looked like Mickey Mouse ears. And when wide bodies came out Eastern highlighted flights as Whisper-liner (L-1011) I wish I knew more about PAA's timetables from back in the day.


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