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Topic: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-01-19 06:33:53 and read 7185 times.

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WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


9K ACK-BOS JUN 16>15 JUL 16>15 AUG 16>15 SEP 16>15
*9K ACK-HPN JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
*9K ACK-PVD JUN 0>3 JUL 0>5 AUG 0>5 SEP 0>4
9K BOS-RKD JUN 5>3 JUL 5>3 AUG 5>3 SEP 5>3
9K EYW-RSW JUN 4>7 JUL 0>7 AUG 0>7 SEP 0>7
*9K MVY-PVD JUN 0>4 JUL 0>6 AUG 0>6 SEP 0>5
9K SJU-EIS MAR 7>8
9K SJU-VQS JUN 7>8 JUL 8>9 AUG 8>9 SEP 8>9
9K STT-SJU FEB 10>9
9K STX-VQS MAY 0.2>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
9K VQS-SJU MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8 AUG 7>8 SEP 7>8

AA DFW-ATL FEB 11>10
*AA DFW-BUR FEB 3>0.6 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0 JUN 3>0 JUL 3>0 AUG 3>0 SEP 3>0
*AA DFW-GCK APR 0>1.8 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
AA DFW-SFO FEB 11>10
*AA ORD-ALO APR 0>1.8 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*AA ORD-DEL MAR 1.0>0 APR 0.8>0 MAY 0.9>0 JUN 0.9>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
*AA ORD-SUX APR 0>1.9 MAY 0>2 JUN 0>2 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2

AC ANC-YVR SEP 0.3>0.6
AC FLL-YUL JUN 1.0>1.2 JUL 1.0>1.6 AUG 1.0>1.6
AC LAS-YYZ JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3
AC MCO-YUL JUN 1.0>1.1 JUL 1.0>1.3 AUG 1.0>1.3
AC MCO-YYZ JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3 AUG 2>3 SEP 2>3

AF MCO-CDG FEB 0.4>0.3

AM FAT-GDL MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.8>0.4 MAY 1.0>0.4 JUN 1.0>0.7 AUG 1.0>0.7 SEP 1.0>0.5
*AM LAS-GDL MAR 0.3>0.1 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0 JUN 0.3>0 SEP 0.3>0
AM LAS-MEX APR 3>2 MAY 3>1.8 SEP 3>1.9
AM ORD-MTY JUN 0.3>0 SEP 0.7>0
*AM ORD-ZCL FEB 0.3>0.1 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0 JUN 0.4>0 JUL 0.4>0 AUG 0.4>0 SEP 0.4>0
AM SMF-GDL FEB 0.6>0.5 APR 0.8>0.6 MAY 1.0>0.5 JUN 1.0>0.8 AUG 1.0>0.8 SEP 1.0>0.6

AS FAT-SAN JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
AS LAS-STS JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
AS LAX-LTO JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7
*AS MRY-SAN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*AS PDX-BLI JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS PDX-BZN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS PDX-SBA JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS RNO-SJC JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*AS SAN-STS JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

AV IAD-BOG FEB 1.0>0.9

AZ JFK-FCO FEB 2.0>1.9

BA MCO-LGW MAY 1.4>1.2 JUN 1.4>1.3

CA LAX-PEK FEB 1.6>1.5

CI LAX-TPE APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.8 SEP 2>1.9
CI ROR-TPE FEB 0.8>0.6

CM LAS-PTY JUL 0>0.6 AUG 0>0.5 SEP 0>0.6

CO LAX-HNL MAR 3>1.9

DL ATL-AGS SEP 9>10
*DL ATL-BTV JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
DL ATL-LOS FEB 1.0>0.8
DL ATL-MCI JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
DL ATL-SKB MAR 0.3>0.2
DL ATL-TPA MAY 12>13
DL BOS-AMS MAR 1.3>1.0
DL BOS-YYZ APR 1.9>1.7
DL DTW-ATL MAY 9>10 JUN 9>10 JUL 9>10 AUG 9>10 SEP 9>10
DL DTW-MKE APR 8>7
DL DTW-PLN JUN 4>3
DL DTW-YQB MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.8
*DL JFK-DAY JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
DL JFK-DCA AUG 4>3 SEP 4>3
*DL LGA-DAY APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.5>0
DL LGA-FLL AUG 5>6 SEP 5>6
*DL LGA-IAD MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>4 MAY 0>4 JUN 0>4 JUL 3>4
DL LGA-MHT MAR 0.5>0.2 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
DL MLI-MSP MAY 3>2
DL MSP-RIC MAY 1.0>0
DL SLC-YVR APR 1.9>1.6

F9 DEN-MDW MAR 4>3

FJ LAX-NAN JUL 0.6>0.7

G4 FSD-LAS JUL 0.5>0.3 AUG 0.4>0.3 SEP 0.4>0.3

HA HNL-ITO APR 14>15
HA HNL-KOA APR 18>19
HA HNL-OGG MAR 25>27 APR 24>28
HA ITO-HNL APR 14>15
HA ITO-OGG MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>2
HA KOA-HNL APR 18>19
HA LIH-HNL MAR 18>19 APR 17>18
HA LIH-OGG MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>2
HA OGG-HNL MAR 26>28 APR 25>28
HA OGG-ITO MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>2
HA OGG-LIH MAR 0>1.4 APR 0>2

K5 OTH-PDX APR 1.9>3 JUN 4>5

KE SEA-SFO APR 0.1>1.0 MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.2>1.0 JUL 0.1>1.0 AUG 0.1>1.0 SEP 0.2>1.0

LJ GUM-ICN FEB 1.3>1.1

LO EWR-WAW APR 0.4>0.5 MAY 0.4>0.5 JUN 0.5>0.6 JUL 0.4>0.5 AUG 0.5>0.6 SEP 0.4>0.6
LO JFK-WAW JUN 0.7>0.9 JUL 0.7>0.9 AUG 0.7>0.8 SEP 0.7>0.9
LO ORD-WAW APR 0.9>1.0 MAY 1.3>1.5

M5 FBS-KEH JUL 0>0.9
M5 FBS-LKE APR 4>7 MAY 4>9 JUN 4>8 JUL 4>10 AUG 4>9 SEP 4>7
M5 KEH-YMP JUN 0>0.4 JUL 0>0.7 AUG 0>0.7 SEP 0>0.2
M5 KEH-ZNA MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.6 AUG 0>1.9 SEP 0>0.7
M5 LKE-YGG MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.8 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>0.7
M5 LKE-YWH APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

MON SFB-CWL JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.1
MON SFB-GLA JUL 0>0.3
MON SFB-LGW APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3
MON SFB-MAN APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.5 JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>0.5 AUG 0>0.6 SEP 0>0.6
MON SFB-NCL JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.1

NK FLL-ORD MAR 3>4
NK MCO-ORD MAR 1.0>1.7

PD IAD-YTZ APR 0>1.3 MAY 0>3 JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3

RJ JFK-AMM MAY 0.9>0.7

SV IAD-RUH APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.4 JUN 0.3>0.4 JUL 0.3>0.4 AUG 0.3>0.4 SEP 0.3>0.4
SV JFK-RUH APR 0.1>0.3 MAY 0.2>0.3 JUN 0.1>0.3 JUL 0.2>0.3 AUG 0.1>0.3 SEP 0.1>0.3

TCX SFB-GLA MAY 0.1>0.2 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3
TCX SFB-MAN MAY 0.2>0.3 JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3 AUG 0>0.3 SEP 0>0.3

TS FLL-YYZ APR 0.7>0.6

UN JFK-DME JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.8>1.0 AUG 0.9>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0

WN ATL-BWI MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
WN ATL-HOU JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN ATL-LAS MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>3
WN ATL-LAX JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0
WN ATL-MDW MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
WN ATL-PHX MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
WN LAS-MKE JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>4
WN MKE-PHX JUN 1.2>3 JUL 1.1>3

XL JFK-GYE FEB 1.0>0.9
XL MIA-GYE APR 0.7>0.4 MAY 0.7>0 JUN 0.7>0 JUL 0.7>0 AUG 0.7>0 SEP 0.7>0
XL MIA-UIO MAY 0.8>1.0 JUN 0.9>1.0 JUL 0.9>1.0 AUG 0.8>1.0 SEP 0.9>1.0

Z8 SER-CBB FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
Z8 SER-SRZ FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
Z8 SER-TJA FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-01-19 06:53:27 and read 7070 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-DAY JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
*DL LGA-DAY APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.5>0

Kind of an odd move to shift DAY from LGA to JFK.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-BTV JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

Everyone was surprised when this was loaded as a daily mainline flight....looks like DL changed their mind.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2012-01-19 06:55:00 and read 7055 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-BTV JUN 0.8>0 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0

Can't ever seem to get this one to work.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-01-19 07:32:06 and read 6813 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN LAS-MKE JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>4
WN MKE-PHX JUN 1.2>3 JUL 1.1>3

Keeping the pressure on in Milwaukee?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-19 07:59:46 and read 6703 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AS FAT-SAN JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
AS LAS-STS JUN 1.0>0.1 JUL 1.0>0 AUG 1.0>0 SEP 1.0>0
AS LAX-LTO JUN 0.6>0.7 JUL 0.6>0.7 AUG 0.6>0.7
*AS MRY-SAN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0
*AS PDX-BLI JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS PDX-BZN JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS PDX-SBA JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>0.8
*AS RNO-SJC JUN 0>1.8 JUL 0>2 AUG 0>2 SEP 0>2
*AS SAN-STS JUN 0>0.9 JUL 0>1.0 AUG 0>1.0 SEP 0>1.0

Yeah AS, Looks like SAN is becoming more of an interest for AS, PDX is getting seasonal services increaqsed, and MRY is new isn't it? Will that flight operate SAN-MRY-SAN, or is there a northward flight onwards to SEA or PDX?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: atrude777
Posted 2012-01-19 09:14:52 and read 6444 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):

WN ATL-BWI MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
WN ATL-HOU JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
WN ATL-LAS MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>3
WN ATL-LAX JUN 0>0.7 JUL 0>1.0
WN ATL-MDW MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
WN ATL-PHX MAY 1.0>1.8 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
WN LAS-MKE JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>4
WN MKE-PHX JUN 1.2>3 JUL 1.1>3
Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):

Keeping the pressure on in Milwaukee?

More so, Southwest is taking FL 737's out of service and WN is adding WN Metal to replace the service that FL is leaving. That is why there was no announcement for these "additional" flights because overall capacity, it is exactly the same.

Same for the other cities.

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-19 09:21:00 and read 6401 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 4):
Yeah AS, Looks like SAN is becoming more of an interest for AS, PDX is getting seasonal services increaqsed, and MRY is new isn't it? Will that flight operate SAN-MRY-SAN, or is there a northward flight onwards to SEA or PDX?

This is being actively discussed on the thread about new AS/QX services. No northward flight from MRY (yet). MRY-SAN only

I see that AS/QX is bringing back PDX-BLI non-stop again.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-01-19 09:26:17 and read 6352 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN LAS-MKE JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>4
WN MKE-PHX JUN 1.2>3 JUL 1.1>3

Keeping the pressure on in Milwaukee?

LAS is a one-for-one capacity shift from AirTran -- instead of 3x AirTran and 2x Southwest, this is 4x Southwest and 1x AirTran.

PHX is not as clear. All the WN additions reported in this week's update were loaded to southwest.com several days ago, except MKE-PHX does not show an increase to 3x/day. It shows 2x/day, which is an increase of 1. Much like MKE-LAS, AirTran has reduced their originall summer offering on MKE-PHX from 2x to 1x. If Southwest is really only going from 1 to 2 (not 1 to 3) then it's also a capacity shift.

I know that the OAG change filings are not always immediately available on the website, or couse, and the 3rd MKE-PHX flight might still be coming. However Southwest doesn't usually tinker with their schedule much after it is released (unlike other airlines who monkey with things a lot more from week to week.) Seeing that all this week's reported Southwest changes have been loaded except that MKE-PHX only increased from 1x to 2x, not 1x to 3x, makes me wonder if perhaps there's an error.

The general move of MKE-west capacity from AirTran to Southwest at MKE begs the question of connectivity. When AirTran flies MKE-LAS and MKE-PHX, it can serve flows like BOS-MKE-LAS and CAK-MKE-PHX, but it can't serve markets like MKE-LAS-SJC and MKE-PHX-SNA because those are Southwest. Similarly, if Southwest takes over MKE-LAS and MKE-PHX, you lose the connectivity at Milwaukee but give MKE more connectivity options west via LAS and PHX. Essentially, the more Milwaukee flights are operated by AirTran, the more it is about offering connectivity at the MKE hub. And the more Milwaukee filghts are operated by Southwest, the more it is about Milwaukee being a spoke and gaining the connectivity options of the WN hub.

Once WN and FL are fully interchangable, this is a non-isue, of course. But the long-anticipated code sharing has still not been announced, and when it does finally come it might be very limited and selective. For January and early February 2012, Southwest took over some of AirTran's traditional MKE-LAS and MKE-MCO frequencies, and back when this was announced people said that there would be code sharing by that point. Well...there isn't, and who knows if there will be code sharing on these particular flights this summer. Perhaps yes, but who knows.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-01-19 14:16:42 and read 5741 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-DAY JUN 0>3 JUL 0>3 AUG 0>3 SEP 0>3
*DL LGA-DAY APR 1.5>0 MAY 1.6>0 JUN 1.6>0 JUL 1.5>0 AUG 1.6>0 SEP 1.5>0

Kind of an odd move to shift DAY from LGA to JFK.

I'm guessing they planned to move it, but did some more research and realized Intl is important. Could be Air Force traffic to Germany, for example.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
WN LAS-MKE JUN 1.9>3 JUL 1.8>4
WN MKE-PHX JUN 1.2>3 JUL 1.1>3

Keeping the pressure on in Milwaukee?
Quoting atrude777 (Reply 5):
More so, Southwest is taking FL 737's out of service and WN is adding WN Metal to replace the service that FL is leaving. That is why there was no announcement for these "additional" flights because overall capacity, it is exactly the same.
Quoting knope2001 (Reply 7):
I know that the OAG change filings are not always immediately available on the website, or couse, and the 3rd MKE-PHX flight might still be coming. However Southwest doesn't usually tinker with their schedule much after it is released (unlike other airlines who monkey with things a lot more from week to week.) Seeing that all this week's reported Southwest changes have been loaded except that MKE-PHX only increased from 1x to 2x, not 1x to 3x, makes me wonder if perhaps there's an error.

What surprises me is that these are being added to late. That is highly unusual for WN. Why are these airplanes available? They should have been allocated a long time ago. The rumor is that they planned to announce some other Intl routes and these planes were reserved for routes that were not announced.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 7):
it can serve flows like BOS-MKE-LAS and CAK-MKE-PHX,

FYI,
I'm hearing CAK-MKE is on its last legs and will be eliminated soon. I would imagine they will switch it to MDW at some point.  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: PITrules
Posted 2012-01-19 14:51:00 and read 5613 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC ANC-YVR SEP 0.3>0.6

Nice increase for ANC

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: atrude777
Posted 2012-01-19 14:51:34 and read 5613 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):

What surprises me is that these are being added to late. That is highly unusual for WN. Why are these airplanes available? They should have been allocated a long time ago. The rumor is that they planned to announce some other Intl routes and these planes were reserved for routes that were not announced.

As WN drops FL routes from closure of cities, there will be some free 717's, they will take over some of the 737 flying that is being pulled to replace the flights, OR being pulled to go to MX and get retrofitted.

As for the planes, it's 2 things, they are slowing down the retirement to use "Extra" WN Metal on the FL routes, so there is no gain in capacity but still loss in terms of routes. The other option is simply from cutbacks from WN Metal with the planes being used to replace the FL 737 flying.

As for so late, it's still 5-6 months away? It used to be WN didn't even extend booking until 5-6 months later.

Without knowing the reasons behind it, it's simply as soon as WN can find a way to pull FL out and replace with WN metal as they find time and "slots" to retrofit the 737's, there is no loss of flights, passengers already booked will not be affected.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):

FYI,
I'm hearing CAK-MKE is on its last legs and will be eliminated soon. I would imagine they will switch it to MDW at some point.

CAK-MDW on FL Metal or WN Metal? Could it be the bird from FL doing DEN-CAK will continue onward to MDW? DEN-CAK-MDW?

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: usflyguy
Posted 2012-01-19 16:18:11 and read 5388 times.

Southwest planes flying Southwest flights. If they were planes set aside for international routes, I would think they'd be new AirTran flights added using existing AirTran planes since they're the ones doing the international flying and would be sitting around.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: mke717spotter
Posted 2012-01-19 17:54:27 and read 5148 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 7):
Similarly, if Southwest takes over MKE-LAS and MKE-PHX, you lose the connectivity at Milwaukee but give MKE more connectivity options west via LAS and PHX. Essentially, the more Milwaukee flights are operated by AirTran, the more it is about offering connectivity at the MKE hub. And the more Milwaukee filghts are operated by Southwest, the more it is about Milwaukee being a spoke and gaining the connectivity options of the WN hub.

I don't think that FL has ever operated MKE-PHX during the summer months though, so they really wouldn't be "losing" anything on that route compared to previous years. I think they usually always start it back up in November, and if the codeshare is finally in place by then they won't have to worry about it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-01-20 17:31:19 and read 3506 times.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 12):
I don't think that FL has ever operated MKE-PHX during the summer months though, so they really wouldn't be "losing" anything on that route compared to previous years .

Yup, that's true...AirTran announced loaded that their seasonal MKE-PHXwould run for summer 2011 early that year but then ended up pulling it from the schedule after early June. They have not operated MKE-PHX in summer.

Because these OAG threads are about changes to already-published upcoming schedules (not year over year comparisons) I was speaking of it that way. AirTran has had 2x/day MKE-PHX for sale this summer several weeks, and it appears 1x of those is moving over to Southwest. So (if there's no code share) the reduction in connectivity is comparing what they had been selling for this summer to what they are selling now -- not a year-over year change.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: mke717spotter
Posted 2012-01-20 18:24:01 and read 3392 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 13):
AirTran has had 2x/day MKE-PHX for sale this summer several weeks, and it appears 1x of those is moving over to Southwest.

So if FL keeps this flight and and now WN flies it 3x daily, then it will be a boost of 2 daily flights compared to last summer?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-01-20 18:33:25 and read 3353 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
I would imagine they will switch it to MDW at some point.

It should have been switched ASAP. Perhaps the growing pains at MDW that we've heard about on and off are the problem.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-01-20 18:58:49 and read 3304 times.

Quoting mke717spotter (Reply 14):
So if FL keeps this flight and and now WN flies it 3x daily, then it will be a boost of 2 daily flights compared to last summer?

If Southwest actually flies 3x MKE-PHX, the combined FL/WN total will be up 2x compared to last year, and up 1x compared to what summer 2012 looked like a week or two ago.

I'm skeptical that it's really planned to be 3x on WN metal for reasons mentioned earler. If Southwest actually flies 2x MKE-PHX this summer, then FL/WN total will be up 1x compared to last year, and up 0x compared to what summer 2012 looked like a week or two ago.

The MKE-PHX flight which AirTran did not pull from their summer 2012 schdule is a red eye, heading west at 8:20pm and getting back into Milwaukee at 5:06am. I don't think there's been a MKE-PHX red eye before other than very limited offerings during spring break, and I'm curious how it will do in the middle of summer. But it is timed well for connections to/from the east coast.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-01-20 20:49:25 and read 3162 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
FYI,
I'm hearing CAK-MKE is on its last legs and will be eliminated soon. I would imagine they will switch it to MDW at some point.

For what it's worth, here are the onboard load factors for the two new AirTran MKE markets where 717 took over for SKywest CRJs:

Akron/Canton-Milwaukee
45.3% September
46.3% October

Des Moines-Milwaukee
23.5% September
28.4% October

I'm skeptcal on what sort of agreement, contract or obligation is keeping AirTran in DSM-MKE, especially since it was Skywest (not AirTran) who launched and flew DSM-MKE as an at-risk operation in the first place two years ago. But whatever it is (if it does exist) it would have to be awfully large to offset the losses on the route. They should move it to MDW even before there's a code share. Chicago has far more local traffic and does offer ATL and Florida connections, and it can't do much worse than DSM-MKE does.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 1/20/2012:AA/AS/DL/WN
Username: Coronado
Posted 2012-01-20 21:51:18 and read 3106 times.

Am I reading this correctly that all DL flights from DAY to New York City will now only be to JFK? I thought all the extra slots picked up in the deal with USAir were to beef up service at LGA?


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