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Topic: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: NZ1
Posted 2011-11-09 01:29:12 and read 22651 times.

Continuation of discussion from : New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 27 (by ZRH Jul 2 2011 in Civil Aviation)#1

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Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-11-09 01:38:51 and read 22646 times.

Thanks for opening this new topic!

A lot of things are currently going on.
Rumours about new destinations for LX, as it seems that DLA & NSI will be axed.
Also the upcoming referendum in ZRH is something which is highly important for Swiss aviation.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-11-09 11:41:49 and read 22393 times.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 241):
in future, LX probably being the most suited one for this task, as it is undoubtably able to offer a premium product.

Agreed, but Saudi Arabia isn't such an easy market, with hardly any non-religious Tourism, and business traffic dependent upon local sponsors.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 241):
I'd expect quite a lot of the more lucrative routes of bmi to be transferred to other airlines like LX, SN, OS and of course LH itself prior to the sale to BA.

That's one possibility indeed.

But which ex-BD routes for LX? IKA, AMM, BEY (ex WK), ALA, ESB, DKR, CMN, KBP, LAS (WK)? Where would it get the fleet to operate these routes?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-11-09 11:58:24 and read 22373 times.

Would it be an option for LH to transfer the LH Italia aircraft to LX? This would mean a substantial increase both in aircraft, but also in flexibility seatwise. It's just an idea which is probably nothing more than bulls**t with BER getting 15 LH 32S stationed....

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-11-09 12:29:01 and read 22330 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 3):
Would it be an option for LH to transfer the LH Italia aircraft to LX? This would mean a substantial increase both in aircraft, but also in flexibility seatwise. It's just an idea which is probably nothing more than bulls**t with BER getting 15 LH 32S stationed...

and they could get rid of those wetlease operations.... But it seems this will only happen once the 30 C Jet's were delivered by 201X

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2011-11-09 12:50:20 and read 22301 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 4):
and they could get rid of those wetlease operations.... But it seems this will only happen once the 30 C Jet's were delivered by 201X

That's why the wet lease contracts for the four Helvetic F100 will expire in 2014 once the first C-Series aircraft will have been delivered.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-11-10 00:15:34 and read 22125 times.

With only 2 320's joining the fleet next year expansion remains to be tough in the short haul network.
Is there by any chance some info 'bout C-series first flights?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: BrouAviation
Posted 2011-11-10 02:00:23 and read 22063 times.

Hi guys,

I didn't see an answer in the previous topic, but will LX continue to operate the MCT tag-on from DXB, now Oman Air starts a direct service? I always get the impression most of the pax get off in DXB. Are there many bookings for just the MCT-DXB leg? The prices are very reasonable (120EUR return, booked for next week) but since it's operating in the middle of the night local time, I can't imagine it being a popular itinerary.

Next week I will fly to Dubai again, it will be interesting to see how many people remain seated during the deboarding process in DXB.

If anyone has any information on this topic, I would be interested to learn about it.

Regards,

Erik

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2011-11-10 14:17:55 and read 21805 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 3):
Would it be an option for LH to transfer the LH Italia aircraft to LX? This would mean a substantial increase both in aircraft, but also in flexibility seatwise. It's just an idea which is probably nothing more than bulls**t with BER getting 15 LH 32S stationed....

LX wouldn't have anyone to fly them, they can hardly cope with their current expansion, and our new CLA doesn't allow the use of any more wetlease or "temporary"-pilots from elsewhere. Secondly, it's no secret that LX isn't happy with the A319 and is looking at getting rid of them, and as far as I know, most LH Italia aircraft are A319s.

There is no room for further expansion at LX, they are stretching it as it is.

As for the new (old) destination being looked at, it has been mentioned a few times above, but that is really all I can say..

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2011-11-10 14:23:38 and read 21794 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
LX wouldn't have anyone to fly them, they can hardly cope with their current expansion

Why does it take LX so long to finally overcome their crew shortage problems which have existed for years? Is the pilot's market drained in Europe or is it due to LX's own restrictive hiring procedures that they are not able to fill the gaps?

It seems to me that LX could have built up much more capacity at times when they flourished but were not able to due to this crew shortage.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-11-10 14:45:19 and read 21784 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
Secondly, it's no secret that LX isn't happy with the A319 and is looking at getting rid of them,

May we expect LX to confirm the 30 C10 options which it has, besides the 30 firm orders?

Or will there be upgauges to 320? or C30 orders?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2011-11-10 15:06:12 and read 21761 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
LX isn't happy with the A319

How come? Because of their size/capacity/...? I'm curious

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2011-11-10 15:16:23 and read 21756 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 9):
Why does it take LX so long to finally overcome their crew shortage problems which have existed for years?

Because they are not thinking ahead. They are planning with the minimum amount of crews needed for their current operations to keep labour costs down, and they still havent realised yet that ou can't just hire quality flightcrews off the street in a days matter when they need them.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 11):
How come? Because of their size/capacity/...? I'm curious

Exactly. It's basically a plane with the costs of an A320 but fewer revenue potential. This is also why the A318 has never been a success..

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2011-11-12 02:03:17 and read 21505 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 12):

Ok, thanks for clairification.

Speaking of new destination(s), NZZ newspaper is mentioning possible reopening of SIN because of high business demand.
http://www.nzz.ch/magazin/reisen/bus..._swiss_umgeruestet_1.13283262.html

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-11-12 02:48:08 and read 21455 times.

Should LX serve again SIN with its own metal, it would be with 343.

In that case, it would be a good idea to re-fit F and Y cabins (and IFE) to 333 standards.

Any chance LX also adds more longhaul flights to/from GVA in this decade?.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: viasa
Posted 2011-11-12 05:58:44 and read 21356 times.

An A330-200 (HB-IQA) is now operated by Swiss for Brussels Airlines on routes to/from Africa.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2011-11-12 12:15:29 and read 21187 times.

Quoting viasa (Reply 15):
An A330-200 (HB-IQA) is now operated by Swiss for Brussels Airlines on routes to/from Africa.

Is the aircraft still flown with SWISS crews under the SWISS callsign? How long will it be until it is registered OO-SFY?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: slz396
Posted 2011-11-12 12:20:07 and read 21181 times.

Quoting viasa (Reply 15):
An A330-200 (HB-IQA) is now operated by Swiss for Brussels Airlines on routes to/from Africa.

HB-IQA is going to be SN's first A332, but for the moment is it not yet entered on the Belgian register, as it first needs to be sold to a lessor before SN can lease it from them.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 16):
Is the aircraft still flown with SWISS crews under the SWISS callsign? How long will it be until it is registered OO-SFY?

As far as I know, it is flown by Belgian crews only... it should be registered as OO-SFY early next year.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-11-13 10:39:45 and read 20920 times.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 14):
Should LX serve again SIN with its own metal, it would be with 343.

In that case, it would be a good idea to re-fit F and Y cabins (and IFE) to 333 standards.

Any chance LX also adds more longhaul flights to/from GVA in this decade?.

Well there were always some rumours around for LX to receive a couple of used A346's would maybe be better for that route as I am not sure if the A343's of LX can operate ZRH-SIN non stop without any weight restrictions

Regarding the A343 refit, I gave up my hopes on that. With the saving policy of SWISS they will not be bothered because by around 2017 yes exactly at least another 6+ years they will start to replace the fleet with the A350's. Let0s hope they'll reconsider that again.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: bralo20
Posted 2011-11-13 10:50:11 and read 20905 times.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 16):
Is the aircraft still flown with SWISS crews under the SWISS callsign? How long will it be until it is registered OO-SFY?

Full SN crews. Registration is expected next month.

Quoting slz396 (Reply 17):
HB-IQA is going to be SN's first A332, but for the moment is it not yet entered on the Belgian register, as it first needs to be sold to a lessor before SN can lease it from them.

Correctly  
Quoting slz396 (Reply 17):
As far as I know, it is flown by Belgian crews only... it should be registered as OO-SFY early next year.

It should be on the Belgian Civil Register somewhere next month.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ManekS
Posted 2011-11-13 16:18:19 and read 20752 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 18):
Well there were always some rumours around for LX to receive a couple of used A346's would maybe be better for that route as I am not sure if the A343's of LX can operate ZRH-SIN non stop without any weight restrictions

LH operate MUC-SIN without restrictions using an A343. ZRH is only 154 miles further - surely there would be a minimal (if any) impact on the payload?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: mozart
Posted 2011-11-22 15:48:46 and read 20098 times.

The new central security building and Dock B were opened today by Federal Counsellor Doris Leuthard. Pax use starts by December 1.

I just hope there still will be a fast track!

Also, how do they deal with transfer pax arriving in Zurich requiring a security check (e.g. if arriving from a non-Schengen destination)? Where will they be screened?

And I'm still curious to see which flights/airlines will use Dock B. How many stands does it have?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-11-22 22:49:57 and read 20037 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 21):
I just hope there still will be a fast track!

Also, how do they deal with transfer pax arriving in Zurich requiring a security check (e.g. if arriving from a non-Schengen destination)? Where will they be screened?

And I'm still curious to see which flights/airlines will use Dock B. How many stands does it have?

I don't know if there will be a fast track. But there are 26 security points. When they open enough a fast track will not be needed.
For transfer pax from non-Schengen countries there still will be security checks right after arrival before they get into the Airside Center. The central security building is for all pax originating ZRH.
Dock B will mainly be used by SWISS and Air Berlin. Probably the SWISS North American flights will leave there. 9 stands at the dock usable for Schengen or non-Schengen flights. Gates B and D. One of them is A 380 capable.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: helvknight
Posted 2011-11-23 01:53:49 and read 19943 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 21):
Also, how do they deal with transfer pax arriving in Zurich requiring a security check (e.g. if arriving from a non-Schengen destination)? Where will they be screened?

It appears that they will be screened in the main building as the Heidi train is being partitioned.

Will they still cordon off half of the E dock for US flights (since TSA requirements are different to ICAO requirements)?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-11-23 02:31:08 and read 19902 times.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 23):
It appears that they will be screened in the main building as the Heidi train is being partitioned.

Well, if arriving at Dock E and

departing from Dock E or Dock A >>>>>> security check at Dock E; or

departing from Dock B >>>>>> security check when entering Dock B


If arriving at Dock B >>>> security check at Dock B upon arrival

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: mozart
Posted 2011-11-23 06:19:12 and read 19906 times.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 23):
Will they still cordon off half of the E dock for US flights (since TSA requirements are different to ICAO requirements)?

I am not sure this is necessarily the case. Look at the setup in Frankfurt or Munich, where there is no more additional security check for pax flying to the USA. The "normal" check that all pax, also those not going to the US, go through is deemed sufficient.

So maybe the opening of new security infrastructure will also lead to a procedure that keeps the TSA happy and will thus do away with the special checks in Dock E.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-11-23 21:38:20 and read 19699 times.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 23):
Will they still cordon off half of the E dock for US flights (since TSA requirements are different to ICAO requirements)?

I read somewhere that probably the SWISS North American flights will leave from new Dock B.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2011-11-23 21:47:26 and read 20022 times.

I can't wait to see this (SWISS A340 video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Ieg...i2-hWw&index=13&feature=plpp_video

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: helvknight
Posted 2011-11-24 01:01:00 and read 19933 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 25):
I am not sure this is necessarily the case. Look at the setup in Frankfurt or Munich, where there is no more additional security check for pax flying to the USA. The "normal" check that all pax, also those not going to the US, go through is deemed sufficient.

That's changed in that case, I flew to the US from FRA a few years ago and there was definitely a further check then.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 26):

I read somewhere that probably the SWISS North American flights will leave from new Dock B.

That would be a good idea, currently a lot of space is wasted in the US end of Dock E.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2011-11-24 02:12:58 and read 19868 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 26):
I read somewhere that probably the SWISS North American flights will leave from new Dock B.

According to a source close to the airport operations there will be no North American flights operated from Dock B, at least not right after the opening thereof.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: mozart
Posted 2011-11-24 06:16:30 and read 19711 times.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 28):
That's changed in that case, I flew to the US from FRA a few years ago and there was definitely a further check then.

As you say: a few years ago.

Thing is that even fewer years ago they did away with the extra checks at FRA and MUC and I believe also at all other German airports.

So let's see what things will look like in Zurich.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: yamatthey
Posted 2011-11-24 07:15:09 and read 19665 times.

In Geneva you only have one security check for all passengers (domestic, Schengen, international and USA). The only exception is El Al flights.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: vegas005
Posted 2011-11-25 08:36:37 and read 19389 times.

with only 9 docking bays I don't believe you will see NA flights from dock B. Sadly grossly undersized for the needs...

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: GVAJFKflyer
Posted 2011-11-26 22:02:27 and read 19084 times.

Quoting mozart (Reply 21):
Also, how do they deal with transfer pax arriving in Zurich requiring a security check (e.g. if arriving from a non-Schengen destination)? Where will they be screened?

Interesting video here:

http://www.zurich-airport.com/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-842/

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-11-27 05:26:15 and read 18902 times.

It seems that the two referenda against Zurich Airport are declined. Fortunately. Thank's to all people who voted 2xNEIN!    There are not only NIMBYs here.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-11-27 06:20:20 and read 18845 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 34):

It seems that the two referenda against Zurich Airport are declined. Fortunately. Thank's to all people who voted 2xNEIN!    There are not only NIMBYs here.

It is now definite  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: HAJflyer
Posted 2011-11-27 08:59:27 and read 18715 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 35):
It is now definite

This result is certainly a relief and another indication that the people are usually smarter than the politicians.

I am really grateful that we live in a country that has such an extensive direct democracy and lets us vote on so many issues.

  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: vegas005
Posted 2011-11-27 12:37:33 and read 18590 times.

Quoting HAJflyer (Reply 36):
This result is certainly a relief and another indication that the people are usually smarter than the politicians.

I am really grateful that we live in a country that has such an extensive direct democracy and lets us vote on so many issues.

Let's be clear. ZRH is a national asset and as such any vote should be nationwide. The fact that a few rich slobs in the south of Zurich almost single handily destroyed ZRH is unbelievable. Happy for the vote but these idiots will be back again, mutating into a different form but with the same idiotic goals.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: glidepath73
Posted 2011-11-28 03:20:00 and read 18394 times.

Congrats to the very positive votes of the people living in Zurich!


So, how will the next master-plan regarding tarmac and runway expansion look like?

What do we know so far:

-RWY 10-28 to be extended at the west end
-RWY 14-32 to be extended at the north end
-Additional ramps for the new C-Series jets north of Dock E
More?

Questions:
How long are the RWY-extensions supposed to be?
Will we see a proper parallel taxiway for 14-32 all the way op to the north end?
How about the industrial buildings in Rümlang close to the new west end of 10-28? Will they remain there?

Is there a master plan map available?

Thanks!
BR
Patrick

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2011-11-28 03:53:15 and read 18354 times.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 38):
How long are the RWY-extensions supposed to be?

A newspaper article (NZZ) dating back to 2009 mentions 400 meters (RWY14/32) and 450 meters (RWY10/28) respectively. Don't know if these numbers are still valid though.
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/politi...in_die_konsultation_1.3333875.html

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: FlySwiss
Posted 2011-11-28 04:12:17 and read 18322 times.

Only to make sure, isn't there still a popular vote for all changes of the runway's?
I thought this is fixed in the law.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: helvknight
Posted 2011-11-28 04:13:59 and read 18315 times.

Quoting FlySwiss (Reply 40):
Only to make sure, isn't there still a popular vote for all changes of the runway's?
I thought this is fixed in the law.

As far as I know this is the case.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: glidepath73
Posted 2011-11-28 06:20:46 and read 18228 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 39):
A newspaper article (NZZ) dating back to 2009 mentions 400 meters (RWY14/32) and 450 meters (RWY10/28) respectively. Don't know if these numbers are still valid though.
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/politi....html

Thanks for posting!

Would be nice to see an official masterplan soon!  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-01 01:26:44 and read 17882 times.

The new Dock B is now open. The first flight to use it was a A 343 LX 289 from Johannesburg.
Here a few pictures:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/swissin...in/set-72157628230674095/lightbox/

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2011-12-01 03:02:27 and read 17809 times.

With LX236 (CAI) leaving from gate E23, LX16 (JFK) from E52 and LX160 (NRT) from E35, the wall in Dock E in place for US flights must finally be a thing of the past now. The US side used to be from E18-35.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 43):
The new Dock B is now open. The first flight to use it was a A 343 LX 289 from Johannesburg.


  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: glidepath73
Posted 2011-12-01 03:11:29 and read 17787 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 43):
The new Dock B is now open. The first flight to use it was a A 343 LX 289 from Johannesburg.




Does this mean we will have even long haul aircraft's on Dock B in the future? Or was the A340 flight just a special thing, for the opening only?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: helvknight
Posted 2011-12-01 04:35:29 and read 17722 times.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 45):
Does this mean we will have even long haul aircraft's on Dock B in the future? Or was the A340 flight just a special thing, for the opening only?

The gates are widebody (in fact one is apparently able to handle the A380) so I'd imagine that we could see widebodies. Looking at the ZRH page though it seems to be mainly short haul Euro such as LHR on the D gates.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-12-01 04:52:44 and read 17698 times.

Well, let's order some new planes LX  And you better hurry now  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-01 08:58:50 and read 17572 times.

I have been on terrace B today. It is really great, although it is shorter than the old one you see about the same. Unfortunately the terrace E is now again only open on Wednesdays, Saturdays and Sundays and only in Summer like it was before. At the end there are now two taxi-ways, but the inner is only usable for aircrafts with max 36 meters wingspan. This means max A 320 family and B 737. When wide-body aircrafts go to SRTechnics for example they have to use the outer t/w.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2011-12-01 12:10:24 and read 17470 times.

Dock B look nice, really.

Now Dock A should be rebuilt to the same standards. LX deserves something better for its Schengen flights.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-12-01 13:05:22 and read 17431 times.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 45):
Does this mean we will have even long haul aircraft's on Dock B in the future? Or was the A340 flight just a special thing, for the opening only?

LX will use Dock B as well for long haul flights probably with no specificdesignation. Today the LX A340 which arrived from JNB departed later on from the Dock B to TLV. In order to integrate the new Dock as smootly as possibly to the daily operations it is not yet run at full capacity, I assume this will be the case in the next few days.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2011-12-02 00:02:13 and read 17288 times.

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 27):
I can't wait to see this (SWISS A340 video): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Ieg...video

Pretty cool, what are the chances of experiencing an IFSD on exactly the flight that the filmcrew was on? Although i'm a bit curious as we usually read about such incidents in monthly safety letters, and I don't recall having read about that one. Oh, and the captain is our new chief pilot  
Quoting mozart (Reply 30):
Thing is that even fewer years ago they did away with the extra checks at FRA and MUC and I believe also at all other German airports.

I just flew from LHR to MIA two weeks ago and it was the same there, no additional security check, no additional passport check - nothing.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 37):

Let's be clear. ZRH is a national asset and as such any vote should be nationwide. The fact that a few rich slobs in the south of Zurich almost single handily destroyed ZRH is unbelievable.

Could not agree more, it's pathetic.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 45):

Does this mean we will have even long haul aircraft's on Dock B in the future? Or was the A340 flight just a special thing, for the opening only?

There will definitly be longhaul departures from dock B.

I'll get up close with the new dock in operation for the first time today, unfortunately I was not working yesterday. Looking forward to this!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2011-12-05 00:19:28 and read 16948 times.

I have a question regarding runway use. Is runway 16 still used for landings? I somehow have only seen and been on landings on 14 if they come from that side. Wouldn't the taxi be shorter to the A and B gates if they could land on 16?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-05 01:54:26 and read 16867 times.

As I know some times they use r/w 16 still for landings. As you said especially then when an aircraft is parked at the stands on the other side of Dock B. But of course I am not sure. SandroZRH could answer the question if he lands from time to time on r/w 16.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: helvknight
Posted 2011-12-05 07:36:29 and read 16701 times.

I was on the B terrace yesterday (after queueing forever) and it is pretty nice. Just a couple of questions though. I see that the D dock (the lower level of B) has bus gates as well. Does that mean the old B bus dock is completely closed now? There certainly seems to be no mention of B2x on the departures page.

Also it looks like the B and D numbers don't line up (D31 seems to be B35 and so on). Is this correct?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2011-12-05 12:21:06 and read 16605 times.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 52):
I have a question regarding runway use. Is runway 16 still used for landings? I somehow have only seen and been on landings on 14 if they come from that side. Wouldn't the taxi be shorter to the A and B gates if they could land on 16?

They are doing some maintenance work in the tower, which is why they are not approving runway 16 approaches for now. That's what it says in our notams, it makes as little sense to me as it does to you.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2011-12-05 13:00:44 and read 16569 times.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 54):
Does that mean the old B bus dock is completely closed now?

The old Non-Schengen B Busgates are definately not in use anymore.

Quoting helvknight (Reply 54):
I see that the D dock (the lower level of B) has bus gates as well.

  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: rjm777ual
Posted 2011-12-05 13:04:39 and read 16577 times.

Does anybody know why they stopped serving IAD? I'd love to see them here again. i was told it was because of prices but.....

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-05 16:39:20 and read 16468 times.

Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 57):

Does anybody know why they stopped serving IAD? I'd love to see them here again. i was told it was because of prices but.....

That's long ago SWISS (or even Swissair?) stopped IAD. Probably after 9/11. Now UA the Star Alliance partner flies IAD-ZRH. They perhaps start it again when there is a need for more than one daily flight.

[Edited 2011-12-05 16:41:28]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-12-06 13:31:41 and read 16272 times.

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 58):

That's long ago SWISS (or even Swissair?) stopped IAD. Probably after 9/11. Now UA the Star Alliance partner flies IAD-ZRH. They perhaps start it again when there is a need for more than one daily flight.

I remember being on a IAD-ZRH flight in summer of 2003, if I am not wrong the flight was stoped with the end of the summer timetable 2003

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2011-12-07 08:26:15 and read 16088 times.

LX is increasing ZRH-ORD with a second flight 4 times per week starting in Jun12.

LX2608 ZRH-ORD 9.55-12.35 -2-4-67-
LX2609 ORD-ZRH 14.50-6.20+1 -2-4-67-

Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-07 08:45:51 and read 16062 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 60):
LX is increasing ZRH-ORD with a second flight 4 times per week starting in Jun12.

LX2608 ZRH-ORD 9.55-12.35 -2-4-67-
LX2609 ORD-ZRH 14.50-6.20+1 -2-4-67-

Interesting, I did not think about that. Is this really a flight with SWISS metal? It has a four digit number, is this not a code-share flight?
Edited: The "normal" flights are LX 8/9. Why would the second flights be 2608/2609. Is it probably a UA flight?

[Edited 2011-12-07 08:54:45]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2011-12-07 08:56:04 and read 16051 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 61):
Is this really a flight with SWISS metal?

Just checked it on LX's online timetable and it does seem to be an LX operated flight (A333). Perhaps a seasonal increase for the summer months?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-07 09:13:56 and read 16037 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 62):
Just checked it on LX's online timetable and it does seem to be an LX operated flight (A333). Perhaps a seasonal increase for the summer months?

Ok thank you. I was just wondering about the number. But now I found in the timetable a second seasonal LAX flight (in March) on Saturdays with the flight number 2740. I think these 20.. flights are seasonal.
I apologize Ka for my doubts   .

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-07 09:19:57 and read 16042 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 63):
Ok thank you. I was just wondering about the number. But now I found in the timetable a second seasonal LAX flight (in March) on Saturdays with the flight number 2740. I think these 20.. flights are seasonal.

Sorry I am wrong again. This LAX flight 2740 is not a second flight but is called like this between March 11-23 2012. I don't know why (due to time change?).
Edited: it seems not to be my day. It is only March 24, this is because of the time change.

[Edited 2011-12-07 09:44:56]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: nyswiss
Posted 2011-12-07 13:32:45 and read 15968 times.

SWISS Timetable News Summer 2012:
Intercontinental
Zurich – Chicago (ZRH-ORD)
During summer 2012 peak period Zurich-Chicago will be increased by four weekly flights between June and October. Those
additional flights will be operated out of Wave 2 and return into Wave 1 in Zurich.
LX2608 ZRH-ORD 0955-1235 days2467 A330-300 07Jun12–27Oct12 NEW
LX8 ZRH-ORD 1255-1540 daily A330-300
LX2609 ORD-ZRH 1450-0620+1 days2467 A330-300 07Jun12–25Oct12 NEW
LX2609 ORD-ZRH 1550-0620+1 day6 A330-300 27Oct12 NEW
LX9 ORD-ZRH 1925-1100+1 daily A330-300
Codeshares on Lufthansa beyond Frankfurt and Munich
As of 23 December 2011, NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX will extend the codeshares on LH flights beyond MUC to/from RUH/JED and beyond FRA to/from
AUH, DOH/BAH, KWI, IKA, CCU and ACC. These codes will be published and open for sale by Thursday, 8 December 2011.
Codeshares on United beyond San Francisco
Additionally to the NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX codeshares on UA beyond ORD, NEW: Swiss International Airlines (Switzerland)">LX will place codes on UA flights beyond SFO to/from HNL, LAS, PHX, SAN
and SEA. These codes are published and operated already.
Europe
Zurich – Prague (ZRH-PRG)
As of summer 2012 Zurich-Prague will be increase to four daily flights by starting a night-stop operation on this route.
LX1484 ZRH-PRG 0800-0915 daily Fokker100 ops by 2L TIM
LX1486 ZRH-PRG 1235-1355 daily Fokker100 ops by 2L TIM
LX1498 ZRH-PRG 1730-1845 days 123456 Fokker100 ops by 2L TIM
LX1498 ZRH-PRG 1740-1855 day 7 Fokker100 ops by 2L TIM
LX1494 ZRH-PRG 2130-2250 daily Fokker100 25Mar12- ops by 2L NEW
LX1495 PRG-ZRH 0605-0720 daily Fokker100 25Mar12– ops by 2L NEW
LX1485 PRG-ZRH 0955-1115 daily Fokker100 25Mar12– ops by 2L TIM
LX1487 PRG-ZRH 1445-1605 daily Fokker100 25Mar12– ops by 2L TIM
LX1499 PRG-ZRH 1935-2050 daily Fokker100 25Mar12– ops by 2L TIM

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: nyswiss
Posted 2011-12-07 13:35:00 and read 15931 times.

Per my post above, this seems where the capacity of the Cameroun flights is being utilized

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: OlafW
Posted 2011-12-07 16:52:28 and read 15838 times.

Quoting nyswiss (Reply 65):
As of summer 2012 Zurich-Prague will be increase to four daily flights by starting a night-stop operation on this route.

Apparently a reaction to the withdrawal of OK from that route.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-08 00:23:20 and read 15766 times.

SWISS offers to check-in PAX automatically. This is cool new feature, at least for people who are not really used to the internet and to all needs for flying. I of course prefer to do it myself:
http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/about_sw...ss_releases/Pages/pr_20111207.aspx

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Bralo20
Posted 2011-12-08 07:57:56 and read 15570 times.

HB-IQC was ferried yesterday from ZRH to MAN for painting in SN colors. This plane will become OO-SFZ in early 2012.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: mcg
Posted 2011-12-08 09:08:54 and read 15527 times.

In June LX was testing a modification to check-in procedures at ZRH where the customer attached baggage tags to their checked luggage. You check in at a kiosk, use a special bag check station to get your baggage tag, then attach the tag to your bag. I participated in this test (thanks for the chocolate LX!) and wonder if it will be more fully implemented. Thanks for any info.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PITrules
Posted 2011-12-08 19:42:18 and read 15381 times.

The DepartedFlights.com website now has July 1983 schedules for ZRH. Pretty interesting

http://www.departedflights.com/ZRH83intro.html

http://www.departedflights.com/ZRH83p1.html

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2011-12-09 05:14:46 and read 15232 times.

Quoting mcg (Reply 70):
In June LX was testing a modification to check-in procedures at ZRH where the customer attached baggage tags to their checked luggage. You check in at a kiosk, use a special bag check station to get your baggage tag, then attach the tag to your bag. I participated in this test (thanks for the chocolate LX!) and wonder if it will be more fully implemented. Thanks for any info.

Ahhh the "quick bag drop machine", part of the ZRH's "seamless travel" vision.  

The current self-check-in kiosks at ZRH have always printed out the bag-tags, which after attaching them the passengers head to one of the bag-drop counters where the weight and passenger information is checked by one of the check-in agents. With this self-bag drop machine, passengers were given the possibility of dropping off their bags on their own, therefore fully automating the check-in process.

On paper a great idea, especially considering that most passengers cannot operate a simple check-in kiosk or attach the bag-tag on their own. Concerning the reliability of the machine, the majority of the time it was out of service and it wasn't really "faster" than the other methods known today. Nevertheless, hate them or love them, these machines will be the standard in a few years time.

The testing period occurred over a period of aprox. six months and the machine has since been removed. If we'll see a return of them? Who knows... A similar thing happened with the self-boarding gates and now a whole terminal is equipped with them.  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: runway23
Posted 2011-12-15 02:44:20 and read 14676 times.

Darwin will start two daily flights per day from Genoa to Zurich and Geneva.

I give this 2 months before either fail badly.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2011-12-15 03:11:09 and read 14661 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 73):
Darwin will start two daily flights per day from Genoa to Zurich and Geneva.

I give this 2 months before either fail badly.

Without a codeshare with LX this route will not be around for long. I don't see however why LX doesn't cooperate more with smaller regional carriers in order to fill some holes in its network, to Southern and Eastern Europe in particular (destinations like BLQ, VRN, TRN, TLS, MRS, KRK, SOF etc.).

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: runway23
Posted 2011-12-15 03:13:56 and read 14654 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 74):
Without a codeshare with LX this route will not be around for long. I don't see however why LX doesn't cooperate more with smaller regional carriers in order to fill some holes in its network, to Southern and Eastern Europe in particular (destinations like BLQ, VRN, TRN, TLS, MRS, KRK, SOF etc.).

Even with a codeshare, the timings of the flights (whether to GVA or ZRH) are not adapted with any of the connecting banks in ZRH or any O&D they may (if they are extremely lucky) exist in GVA.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: glidepath73
Posted 2011-12-15 03:17:06 and read 14653 times.

I made a little introducing movie regarding the lovely new visitor Terrace on DOCK-B.

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnnkFkApsc


Greetz,
Patrick

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2011-12-15 04:28:45 and read 14765 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 75):
Even with a codeshare, the timings of the flights (whether to GVA or ZRH) are not adapted with any of the connecting banks in ZRH or any O&D they may (if they are extremely lucky) exist in GVA.

??

Both turnaround times at ZRH (0840-0920 and 1535-1705) fit exactly into LX connecting banks. Check your facts.

Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: runway23
Posted 2011-12-15 04:30:07 and read 14751 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 77):
??

Both turnaround times at ZRH (0840-0920 and 1535-1705) fit exactly into LX connecting banks. Check your facts.

Ka.

Not the 1pm and 9pm banks which are the most important ones LX have.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2011-12-15 05:00:51 and read 14737 times.

Quoting runway23 (Reply 75):
are not adapted with any of the connecting banks in ZRH

...then explain your quote!
You want to say that 50% bank connectivity or 100% for the two new flights (if you look at it from the other side) are "not adapted with ANY" ??

Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-15 08:33:21 and read 14644 times.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 76):

I made a little introducing movie regarding the lovely new visitor Terrace on DOCK-B.

Enjoy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnnkFkApsc

Thank's for this great movie. I am happy that we have still a lot of four-holers here, the TK 346 is specially impressive.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: glidepath73
Posted 2011-12-16 00:13:15 and read 14446 times.

Quoting ZRH" class="quote" target="_blank">ZRH (Reply 80):
I am happy that we have still a lot of four-holers here,



This is something a lot of airports do not see anymore. Meanwhile even T-tail passenger aircraft become a rare thing in ZRH. Especially MD-80 Series is getting more an more rare in ZRH, but even in whole Europe.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-16 03:59:54 and read 14329 times.

Quoting glidepath73 (Reply 81):
Meanwhile even T-tail passenger aircraft become a rare thing in ZRH. Especially MD-80 Series is getting more an more rare in ZRH, but even in whole Europe.

Yes, there are only a few F 100 left.
Also the 747 is usually missing. A few weeks ago TK came a couple of days with a 744. I was happy to watch her from terrace E.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-12-16 06:20:48 and read 14226 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 82):
A few weeks ago TK came a couple of days with a 744. I was happy to watch her from terrace E.

AFAIK TK is not operating 747's.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-16 07:40:27 and read 14171 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 83):
AFAIK TK is not operating 747's.

Sorry, I of course wanted to write TG. It was instead of the 346.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2011-12-16 08:29:19 and read 14127 times.

LOL, That makes more sense  I already guessed you meant TG. Could not think of any other carrier operating 744 to ZRH. SQ or KE perhaps, but highly unlikely if you compare 744 with their normal ops to ZRH.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviopic
Posted 2011-12-16 11:56:37 and read 14032 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 5):
That's why the wet lease contracts for the four Helvetic F100 will expire in 2014 once the first C-Series aircraft will have been delivered.

Helvetic signed a lifetime support deal with Fokker just a month ago.
http://www.asdwire.com/news_detail/8...th_European_FLYFokker__partner.htm

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2011-12-19 03:10:37 and read 13741 times.

Anyone know what that Boeing 727 with winglets is doing in and out of ZRH?

Registration M-STAR, I saw it leave and depart within an hour on Sunday.
Where is it going and who owns it?

Beautiful machine, there's a few nice shots you can find with Mr. Google.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2011-12-19 03:17:30 and read 13732 times.

Me again!

Any technical experts out there:

I met a spotter on Sunday who had bought his own SSR Receiver, installed on the roof of his house in Zurich, decoded the info, overlayed it onto a map, with result: he had an overview of all ATC movements for ca.300km from ZRH on his i-Pad with him - via a VPN connection from his home.

I was most impressed. Anyone else done this?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2011-12-19 04:48:27 and read 13654 times.

Hi A.Netters

Since a couple of weeks the new Terrasse (Terminal 2 - Ex B) is open. I was suprised when enterered there to see the price of 5CHF a person!!!! Due to the opening of the re-built the entrance fee was for free..

For those who where there, what is your oppinion about the new re-built terrace?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-12-19 09:49:07 and read 13519 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 87):
Anyone know what that Boeing 727 with winglets is doing in and out of ZRH?

Registration M-STAR, I saw it leave and depart within an hour on Sunday.
Where is it going and who owns it?

According to the Isle of Man aircraft register (link here)...
http://www.gov.im/ded/Aircraft/registeredaircraft2.xml

...the registered owner is:

Starling Aviation Ltd
P O Box 309
Ugland House, South Church Street
Georgetown, Cayman Islands

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2011-12-19 15:24:53 and read 13369 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 90):
According to the Isle of Man aircraft register (link here)...
http://www.gov.im/ded/Aircraft/registeredaircraft2.xml

...the registered owner is:

Starling Aviation Ltd
P O Box 309
Ugland House, South Church Street
Georgetown, Cayman Islands

Thanks a million, what great info. I have to confess I didn't know that M- was the designator for the Isle of Man.
I shall write to that PO Box Number and ask for a free ride...or at least a chance to look inside.

Do you think they will reply to me?
 

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-12-20 15:03:24 and read 13174 times.

How come the return flight LX255 from TLV to ZRH was cancelled this afternoon. Could it be that the crew refused to make the return flight as they would've exceeded their duty time given the delayed departure out of ZRH?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2011-12-20 15:25:30 and read 13166 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 92):
How come the return flight LX255 from TLV to ZRH was cancelled this afternoon. Could it be that the crew refused to make the return flight as they would've exceeded their duty time given the delayed departure out of ZRH?

If duty time is the reason, it wouldn't be the first time this week. Monday's LX236 to CAI was cancelled for the same reason.

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...rte-sich-zu-fliegen/story/18763908 (in German only)

Update: LX255 was indeed cancelled due the crew exceeding their duty time caused by the delayed departure out of ZRH.

[Edited 2011-12-20 15:49:49]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: HECA
Posted 2011-12-21 03:09:49 and read 13038 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 93):
Update: LX255 was indeed cancelled due the crew exceeding their duty time caused by the delayed departure out of ZRH.

Was the plane ferried back to ZRH empty?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2011-12-21 12:31:42 and read 12871 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 93):

If duty time is the reason, it wouldn't be the first time this week. Monday's LX236 to CAI was cancelled for the same reason.

The Questions is if both the CAI and also the TLV flights were a sign in direction LX management by the crew that they are not amused about their christmas "gift* and don't see why they should work more than expected given they don't get appreciation for it? It's not the first time that both CAI or TLV outbound flights are delayed however I can't remember either of these flights being cancelled due to the crews exceeding their maximum duty hours.

Quoting HECA (Reply 94):

Was the plane ferried back to ZRH empty?

No it operated this morning flight LX 257 out of TLV with a 2 hour delay, given the delay was already anunced last night the reason for it must have been due to the crew resting time.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2011-12-21 23:50:44 and read 12741 times.

Horray, just seen on swiss.com: open-jaw flights are now bookable - it was about time!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-30 03:39:08 and read 12201 times.

SWISS has in 2011 a absolute record in numbers of passengers. By the end of the year it will be more than 15 mi passengers. This is more than any Swiss airline carried in a year ever, more than Swissair in its best year 2000. The only downer is that the yields dropped because of the international crises. SWISS is the most successful airline in the LH group and has more long-haul destinations than any other airline from a country with this size of home market.
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/wirtsc...er_passagierrekord_1.13998642.html
(in German)

[Edited 2011-12-30 03:40:05]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2011-12-30 13:54:52 and read 12013 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 97):
SWISS is the most successful airline in the LH group and has more long-haul destinations than any other airline from a country with this size of home market.

Does LX really have more longhaul destinations than SQ? Population of Switzerland about 8 million vs. Singapore´s roughly 5 million.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2011-12-30 14:06:54 and read 11994 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 98):
Does LX really have more longhaul destinations than SQ?

Maybe you want to count EK in on that. Or did we miss something?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2011-12-30 16:19:08 and read 11936 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 98):
Does LX really have more longhaul destinations than SQ? Population of Switzerland about 8 million vs. Singapore´s roughly 5 million.
Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 99):
Maybe you want to count EK in on that. Or did we miss something?

They told so in the article. Probably they meant in Europe?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2011-12-30 20:23:30 and read 11901 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 97):
This is more than any Swiss airline carried in a year ever, more than Swissair in its best year 2000.

Weren't Swissair and Crossair counted as two seperate airlines in those days?? Now they are basically one operation in terms of accountants.

Never trust any statistics you haven't done yourself...
Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: vegas005
Posted 2011-12-31 01:29:56 and read 12054 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 88):

Me again!

Any technical experts out there:

I met a spotter on Sunday who had bought his own SSR Receiver, installed on the roof of his house in Zurich, decoded the info, overlayed it onto a map, with result: he had an overview of all ATC movements for ca.300km from ZRH on his i-Pad with him - via a VPN connection from his home.

I was most impressed. Anyone else done this?

Why would we need to do this? I use http://radar.zhaw.ch/radar.html on any device...a lot less work  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-04 14:58:05 and read 11507 times.

Some great news regarding the performance of Swiss airports in 2011:

Geneva airport had another record year as passenger numbers grew by 10.5% to 13,150 mio. Increased presence by Easyjet and also LX as well as some new flights by foreign carriers (EK, Gulf Air among others) made this good performance possible.

Basel celebrated its 5 milionth passenger in late December, marking a airport record as well. The airport grew by roughly 20 to 25 per cent in 2011. Growth is mostly due to further expansion of Easyjet in BSL.

2011 was sort of a renaissance year for Bern airport which saw its passenger numbers increase by 82% due to the growth of Skywork Airlines and the presence of Helvetic Airways. Overall the airport recorded 184,000 passengers last year. Another rather large increase is expected for 2012 as Skywork will offer over 100 weekly flights to 24 destinations next summer and Helvetic will further increase their flights mostly to Mediterranean destinations.

With regards to Zurich airport, growth by about 5 per cent can be expected as growth has slowed down over the course of the year. Still some solid numbers can be expected.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2012-01-05 03:06:22 and read 11382 times.

Inbound Singapore A380 to ZRH diverted to MUC this morning!
I don't know anyone in SQ - was that because of the winds?

It will depart 2130hrs tonight.

And more bad weather to come: ZRH-MAN was est. ca. 2.20 hours this morning!!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-05 03:23:10 and read 11365 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 104):
Inbound Singapore A380 to ZRH diverted to MUC this morning!

According to the ZRH's Website the flight is not yet confirmed to arrive.

But also AA64 from JFK is diverted to Milano.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2012-01-05 07:56:24 and read 11163 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 104):
nbound Singapore A380 to ZRH diverted to MUC this morning!
I don't know anyone in SQ - was that because of the winds?

Answer my own question, it was the high winds!!

http://www.20min.ch/news/kreuz_und_q...r---A380-brach-Landung-ab-28097037

"Eine Maschine der Singapore Airlines musste den Landeanflug auf Zürich abbrechen. Den Piloten war es zu windig"

Too windy for even an A380?! Surprised.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-05 08:20:18 and read 11153 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 106):
Too windy for even an A380?! Surprised.

Yes, me to!! I was checking the ZRH Website and see that there where other ac's (longhaul) that landed before and after!!!

So they didn't give it another try?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2012-01-07 04:39:22 and read 10718 times.

Apparently, LX shifted schedule of its new PEK service beginning February 11. I'm quite sure it was formerly something like this: ZRHPEK 1730-1000, PEKZRH 1200-1600. New times are as follows:
ZRHPEK 1230-0515+1, PEKZRH 0645-1040.
A early start out of PEK, is this to allow midday rather than evening connections?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SN-MD11
Posted 2012-01-07 05:07:46 and read 10682 times.

Could anyone give an update on HB-IQC status (now in full SN colors, and ferried back MAN-ZRH).

Viele danke !

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: aviationmaster
Posted 2012-01-07 05:45:54 and read 10644 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 108):
A early start out of PEK, is this to allow midday rather than evening connections?

The reason for the adjustment are slot constraints at PEK. In addition to the new departure/arrival times, the flight will be operated by the A340 until the end of the Summer timetable.

I wonder if we'll see another destination get retimed due to the PEK flight.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-07 06:26:53 and read 10611 times.

Quoting SN-MD11 (Reply 109):

Could anyone give an update on HB-IQC status (now in full SN colors, and ferried back MAN-ZRH).

Viele danke !

Hello SN-MD11

I passed three days ago the maintenance Area of LX and saw a A332 there in full SN colors... didn't catch the reg but I think that it was the former HB-IQC!!

Sorry can't provide you with more information...

Regards
B738FlyUIA

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-07 07:52:10 and read 10560 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 104):
And more bad weather to come: ZRH-MAN was est. ca. 2.20 hours this morning!!

Yes, thursday was quite a day, we were stuck in the AMIKI hold for over an hour with fuel reserves depleating and just when we were about to point our nose towards GVA they reopened runway 16 where we landed as number three. Several other aircraft diverted, among them an EDW flight (i think it was 51 or 151) and a contact air F100 both to Stuttgart. Winds were so high that only a runway 28 approach was possible due to excessive tailwinds, but impossible due to low visibility. Then the winds finally calmed down but now the runways were contaminated with wet snow and they first had to bring a clearing crew to the airport. (Yes, why there is no clearing crew on standby at a major airport in winter conditions is beyond me too). I think the airport was closed for over an hour.

A collegue told me that the inbound A340 from SFO had to make three goarounds due to winds before finally landing.

Oh and I had my last A320 flight last night 

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-07 11:43:59 and read 10428 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 112):
Oh and I had my last A320 flight last night 

Good luck with the A330. Tell us where your first 330 flight on line will go. How long does the 330 training will last?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: vegas005
Posted 2012-01-08 00:50:46 and read 10268 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 113):
Oh and I had my last A320 flight last night 

Congrats SandroZRH!! Best of luck on the widebody! Hope to be on one of your flights soon.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-09 12:33:48 and read 9936 times.

I saw today that LX has three extra flights to Russia (2x DME and 1x LED) all scheduled between 21.50 and 21.55. Is there a special reason why they have so many flights to Russia for today?

Also I recently noticed that QR is often sending an A320 or A319 to ZRH instead of the usual A330. Is there some problem with this route for QR?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: runway23
Posted 2012-01-09 12:36:35 and read 9931 times.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 115):
I saw today that LX has three extra flights to Russia (2x DME and 1x LED) all scheduled between 21.50 and 21.55. Is there a special reason why they have so many flights to Russia for today?

Russian Christmas and New Year.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-09 13:43:13 and read 9861 times.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 115):
I saw today that LX has three extra flights to Russia (2x DME and 1x LED) all scheduled between 21.50 and 21.55. Is there a special reason why they have so many flights to Russia for today?

As mentioned it's the end of the Russian holidays. There will also be a Aeroflot A330 flight from SVO tomorrow. And in Geneva there have been at times Aeroflot flights per day operated by A330s.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: runway23
Posted 2012-01-09 13:46:22 and read 9863 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 117):
As mentioned it's the end of the Russian holidays. There will also be a Aeroflot A330 flight from SVO tomorrow. And in Geneva there have been at times Aeroflot flights per day operated by A330s.

Just today, SU sent 2x A333 and 1x 763 to GVA. They have been sending A330s regularly for the past to weeks and this week included.

[Edited 2012-01-09 13:47:01]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-10 00:26:06 and read 9723 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 117):
As mentioned it's the end of the Russian holidays. There will also be a Aeroflot A330 flight from SVO tomorrow. And in Geneva there have been at times Aeroflot flights per day operated by A330s.
Quoting runway23 (Reply 118):
Just today, SU sent 2x A333 and 1x 763 to GVA. They have been sending A330s regularly for the past to weeks and this week included.

Today Tue 10/01/12 SU is sending a A332 on the SU265/266 Flt to ZRH... http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/AFL265

So might go and do some spotting there  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA340
Posted 2012-01-10 13:07:21 and read 9481 times.

Quoting aviationmaster (Reply 110):
The reason for the adjustment are slot constraints at PEK. In addition to the new departure/arrival times, the flight will be operated by the A340 until the end of the Summer timetable.

I wonder if we'll see another destination get retimed due to the PEK flight.

The flight times, especially the very early departure from PEK doesn't really look that attractive to me especially not for O/D and european connections. You would rather fly via FRA or MUC. It seems to me only attractive for East Coast North America flight connections for which LX will have a clear niche but the question is if there will be enough demand for it.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-01-10 18:41:43 and read 9378 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 120):
It seems to me only attractive for East Coast North America flight connections for which LX will have a clear niche but the question is if there will be enough demand for it.

Why would anyone want to fly beween the U.S. and China via Europe? It's much shorter via the Pacific, and with the huge amount of capacity on Pacific routes the fares are likely to be lower. Not good for LX yields since they'd have to offer competitive, or even lower, fares to convince anyone to fly 30% further.

Example:
PEK-ZRH-JFK 7731 nm
PEK-JFK nonstop 5942 nm (PEK-EWR 5936 nm)

LX can generate much higher revenue by selling PEK-ZRH and ZRH-U.S. to two separate passengers, and China-Europe is now such a big (and fast-growing) market they should have no trouble filling PEK-ZRH flights with O&D Europe traffic.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-11 10:03:45 and read 9187 times.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 120):

The flight times, especially the very early departure from PEK doesn't really look that attractive to me especially not for O/D and european connections.

As previously mentioned, the flight times are what they are because LX didn't get the desired slots that had earlier been promised to them by the Chinese. It's not just the early departure from PEK, but also the midday departure from ZRH in the already congested noon departure-wave that is a problem. I'm told however that they are optimistic that they will be getting the desired slots for a late afternoon departure ex-ZRH soon, probably even before the launch of the route. It's just the typical bullying of the Chinese authorities that nobody is surprised about anymore

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-13 09:57:01 and read 8906 times.

Question regarding Vueling: I am a bit surprised that although they use Check-In 3 like other Charter carriers, they use Gates A for all their flights and the passengers do not need to use the bus to get to the plane, however IB the parent company uses the bus gates B like KL and AF. Are IB, KL and AF too stingy to use Gates A or is it because IB, KL and AF have different ground handling than Vueling? I mean if even easyjet can afford a jetway, why can full service carriers not offer this?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2012-01-13 10:08:21 and read 8882 times.

It might have something to do with the availability of the fingergates at the times VY is calling at ZRH.
KL & IB are network carriers which normally tned to time around the ZRH peak-waves where no or very few finger gates are available at the A-docks.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-13 10:50:10 and read 8869 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 124):
It might have something to do with the availability of the fingergates at the times VY is calling at ZRH.
KL & IB are network carriers which normally tned to time around the ZRH peak-waves where no or very few finger gates are available at the A-docks.

I thought of that, however they arrive and depart at the same time as many other LX flights, so I was not sure if this is the main reason. They have four flights a day (2x ORY and 2x BCN) and I think one other flight to the north of Spain, which means they have the same amount of flights as IB has if not more.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2012-01-15 06:09:30 and read 8650 times.

First LX-a/c in new design!

With billboard lettering:
http://www.planepictures.net/show.php?id=1107977

Nice,
Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-15 06:28:04 and read 8705 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 126):

First LX-a/c in new design!

With billboard lettering:
http://www.planepictures.net/show.php?id=1107977

Nice,
Ka.

Thanks for sharing Ka !!! I don't think it really special... like the old livery the same.... but as we are all human's we will get to use of this livery also!!! To be honest the previous from these one I preferred more!!!!!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-01-15 12:53:40 and read 8520 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 126):
First LX-a/c in new design!

LX must have a mong the lowest livery painting costs of any airline in the world (disregarding the high labour cost if the work is done in Switzerland).

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: vegas005
Posted 2012-01-16 04:02:20 and read 8255 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 128):
First LX-a/c in new design

Sadly horrible.......

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-16 04:47:10 and read 8214 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 129):
Sadly horrible.......

terrible indeed..

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2012-01-16 04:52:43 and read 8215 times.

it's easy and cheap to paint AIR behind SWISS now  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2012-01-16 05:06:00 and read 8199 times.

Quoting vegas005 (Reply 129):
Sadly horrible.......
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 130):
terrible indeed..

after having seen it in person I have to say BRAVO SWISS!
clean - simple - elegant - down to the basics - recognisable

no longer the bits and pieces of red splashed here and there.

Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-16 05:19:06 and read 8198 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 130):
terrible indeed..

I agree with you SandroZRH!!! After seeing this stuff that should be called design this morning at ZRH!!!!!


Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: FatmirJusufi
Posted 2012-01-16 05:36:52 and read 8158 times.

I thought all of this new SWISS color scheme and logo would fit better on aircraft, but unfortunately is way too simple — it's too Finnairish.


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Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Flying Belgian
Posted 2012-01-16 05:49:03 and read 8138 times.

Ugly ugly ugly and ugly.

     


The previous livery had a real personality. I liked the fact it was written in 4 languages.

Why the hell did they change, their excellent brand awareness didn't require such a terrible make over.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: slz396
Posted 2012-01-16 08:15:02 and read 8021 times.

Well, it's not like much has changed, has it?

All they did was drop the 2 red squares from their engines as well as remove the tiny little tiles from behind the SWISS brandname so they could finally supersize it.

While I happily agree them supersizing their very short name isn't exactly the best of ideas, not doing it would probably have made the plane look even paler than it already does.

Anyway, if one doesn't like this one then I fail to see how one could have been fond of the previous one really.

[Edited 2012-01-16 08:15:24]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-16 08:15:13 and read 8029 times.

I like it. Clean, simple, elegant, no kitsch. You recognize SWISS from far.
BTW a question: is this the A 330-300 no 11 for SWISS? When was it delivered?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-16 08:43:16 and read 7991 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 137):
BTW a question: is this the A 330-300 no 11 for SWISS? When was it delivered?

It is indeed. HB-JHK was delivered last Wednesday.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-16 08:59:07 and read 7974 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 138):
It is indeed. HB-JHK was delivered last Wednesday.
http://skyliner-aviation.de/regdb.main?LC=nav4&page=2

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ATL
Posted 2012-01-16 09:08:02 and read 7979 times.

My first reaction was: OH COME ON NOW But then again it IS a new livery and thus we will all eventually adapt to it. I'm still not sure how to feel about the white engines, but I gotta say the idea to make it in a billboard like livery is odd. The 4 languages were a very nice touch to the livery, making it very swiss. Also it's awkward seeing the windows interfering with the logo. Still a nice livery compared to many airlines though.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-16 12:43:49 and read 7826 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 132):
after having seen it in person I have to say BRAVO SWISS!
clean - simple - elegant - down to the basics - recognisable

I'm sorry, but how can this possibly be elegant? The new titles are totally out of place, it looks so cheap it's almost laughable. Had they left the titles where they were from the previous livery it would at least look somewhat serious, but now they look like some cheap low cost carrier. What i find pretty hypocritical aswell is how they are basing their new PR campaign on being "Swiss" while removing the Country's name from the fuselage. Nice one!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LXA333
Posted 2012-01-17 01:27:35 and read 7612 times.

Does anybody know if the a332s are completely retired? It has been a while since i flew one of those, 22 flights on a330-200s 6 rides on HB-IQI, all jfk-zrh-jfk route. its gonna be sad the day they retire those as they remind me of my childhood.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-17 01:52:06 and read 7605 times.

Quoting LXA333 (Reply 142):
Does anybody know if the a332s are completely retired? It has been a while since i flew one of those, 22 flights on a330-200s 6 rides on HB-IQI, all jfk-zrh-jfk route. its gonna be sad the day they retire those as they remind me of my childhood.

They're completely retired. I think one frame is still in ZRH in SN colours (HB-IQC iirc).

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ka
Posted 2012-01-17 02:25:22 and read 7588 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 137):
I like it. Clean, simple, elegant, no kitsch.
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 141):
I'm sorry, but how can this possibly be elegant?

Obviously, I am not the only one thinking it is elegant!

And, BTW, be careful publically bashing the company you are working for. Might not look well in your papers.

Ka.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-17 02:26:35 and read 7588 times.

In other news, Blue1 will cease operations to ZRH by the end of March (due to reorganization towards feeding SAS in CPH and ARN). The exit of Blue1 would leave Finnair as the only airline flying between Helsinki and Zurich. Is it reasonable to think that LX will take over the flights from Blue1? Otherwise this would mean quite an important gap in the Star Alliance network from ZRH.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: yamatthey
Posted 2012-01-17 03:59:56 and read 7543 times.

This color scheme is ugly (this is only my point of view, but really this is a mistake, a ugly mistake)! The “SWISS” is way too oversized and miss placed.

By the way, I don’t understand why Swiss spend millions in Switzerland to advertise a new logo and paint scheme, but at the end the paint scheme differ ?!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-17 06:31:33 and read 7497 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 144):
And, BTW, be careful publically bashing the company you are working for. Might not look well in your papers.

Haha, I think SWISS will accept the opinion from a F/O. I think he is probably not the only one with this opinion.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-17 11:25:05 and read 7402 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 144):
And, BTW, be careful publically bashing the company you are working for. Might not look well in your papers.


Yeah, youre probably right. Btw, say hi next time on the radio will you  Wink

[Edited 2012-01-17 11:54:04]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: standby87
Posted 2012-01-19 06:23:47 and read 7140 times.

Anyone know why Singapore Airlines dropped into Dubai yesterday?

SQ345/18JAN ZRH-SIN 9V-SKM had a stop in Dubai!
I couldn't see anything from the usual sources.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2012-01-19 07:05:37 and read 7102 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 145):
In other news, Blue1 will cease operations to ZRH by the end of March (due to reorganization towards feeding SAS in CPH and ARN). The exit of Blue1 would leave Finnair as the only airline flying between Helsinki and Zurich. Is it reasonable to think that LX will take over the flights from Blue1? Otherwise this would mean quite an important gap in the Star Alliance network from ZRH.

Agreed.

2 daily flights wouldn't be a bad idea, such as:


ZRH: 09.20
HEL: 13.00

HEL: 14.00
ZRH: 16.00


ZRH: 13.00
HEL: 16.40

HEL: 17.30
ZRH: 19.30

Pity AY went for OW, after some years in Qualiflyer.

[Edited 2012-01-19 07:54:04]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2012-01-20 06:36:47 and read 6833 times.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 150):

That'd be nice... Not too long ago LX restarted OSL. Is Finland on LX' radar?

On a sidenote, it seems JHK, wearing the new livery, is applied on DXB/MCT runs only. Any reason for that?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-20 09:05:25 and read 6835 times.

Quoting standby87 (Reply 149):
Anyone know why Singapore Airlines dropped into Dubai yesterday?

SQ345/18JAN ZRH-SIN 9V-SKM had a stop in Dubai!
I couldn't see anything from the usual sources.

Couldn't find any information even on http://www.avherald.com/ !!!! But interesting to know why!!!!!!!!!

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-01-20 15:47:34 and read 6719 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 145):
Is it reasonable to think that LX will take over the flights from Blue1? Otherwise this would mean quite an important gap in the Star Alliance network from ZRH.

Still many Star Alliance connections between Switzerland and HEL via FRA/MUC/CPH/ARN on LH and SK.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-20 16:51:03 and read 6703 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 153):
Still many Star Alliance connections between Switzerland and HEL via FRA/MUC/CPH/ARN on LH and SK.

You're right but I think a direct link between rather important cities in ZRH and HEL should be offered nonetheless. As of right now only one reason for LX not flying to HEL comes to my mind, which is crew and aircraft shortages. But maybe someone closer to the source could enlighten us on this subject.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: DALCE
Posted 2012-01-21 00:46:26 and read 6643 times.

I could see a ZRH-HEL flight on the horizon, since 2 more 320's will come online soon.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2012-01-21 11:38:38 and read 6425 times.

Quoting DALCE (Reply 155):
I could see a ZRH-HEL flight on the horizon, since 2 more 320's will come online soon.

Indeed. But LX will also need to replace BD on BSL-LHR and BSL-MAN...

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-21 12:20:01 and read 6401 times.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 156):
Indeed. But LX will also need to replace BD on BSL-LHR and BSL-MAN...

If they choose to replace that service. They could also sub contract the flights to other airlines such as Helvetic or Contact Air. I'm also not quite sure about the slots currently used on the BSL-LHR route. Do these belong to BD or LX? If the slots are not LX owned I could see them maybe reinstate flights to LCY.
I still believe there are a considerate number of additional European cities LX could offer flights to from their ZRH hub.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: AntonovA330
Posted 2012-01-21 12:33:30 and read 6388 times.

Let's not forget that SOF had been discontinued, which frees up an A/C (though I'm not sure if an A319 or was SOF served by an Avro lately?).

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 157):
I still believe there are a considerate number of additional European cities LX could offer flights to from their ZRH hub.

Quite right. LX has been rather cautious starting new European destinations, or maybe it's just my impression  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2012-01-21 14:07:57 and read 6342 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 157):
If the slots are not LX owned I could see them maybe reinstate flights to LCY.

It makes sense indeed. LCY is doubtless LX favorite Airport in London.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 157):
I still believe there are a considerate number of additional European cities LX could offer flights to from their ZRH hub

Very much agreed.

Talking about London, LGW should perhaps be considered, if LH makes it there.

LX is really missing in HEL, KRK, ADB, TLS, VRN/BLQ. Any other ideas?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-21 14:33:50 and read 6305 times.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 159):
Any other ideas?

I use to fly a lot to KPB and the loads on PS where very good... as LX have now more flights to Moscow DME I could imagine that there would be a additional flight to KBP in later afternoon/evening to KBP. As know that there are many people that travel there via VIE, BUD, PRG and so on.....

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Loran
Posted 2012-01-22 02:44:37 and read 6168 times.

Hi there, does anyone know what will happen to the PrivatAir 737-800 BBJ once it comes off the EWR route in March? Does LX have any other use for it?

Sorry if this has been discussed before, I just skimmed over the entire topic but couldn't see anything about it.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SR4ever
Posted 2012-01-22 03:02:50 and read 6139 times.

Quoting Loran (Reply 161):
Hi there, does anyone know what will happen to the PrivatAir 737-800 BBJ once it comes off the EWR route in March? Does LX have any other use for it?

As far as I remember, LX is to return the 738 to its lessor...

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-22 03:33:10 and read 6111 times.

Quoting Loran (Reply 161):
Hi there, does anyone know what will happen to the PrivatAir 737-800 BBJ once it comes off the EWR route in March? Does LX have any other use for it?

This 737BBJ does not belong to LX. It was only a wet lease from PrivatAir. It is on behalf of PrivatAir what they do with it.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Loran
Posted 2012-01-22 06:37:35 and read 6014 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 163):
This 737BBJ does not belong to LX. It was only a wet lease from PrivatAir. It is on behalf of PrivatAir what they do with it

If you read my question carefully, that is exactly what I was saying.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 162):
As far as I remember, LX is to return the 738 to its lessor...

Thanks for your reply, so no further use for it in LX' network.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ab1247
Posted 2012-01-22 09:17:05 and read 5906 times.

Considering that the gross majority of the LX A320 fleet consists of frames from the SR days, I was curious to find that LX has not started a replacement plan for these aircraft with 32xNEO or even a total replacement plan for its 320 family, including more recent frames. I know that they have invested in these aircraft with Recaro seats lately, but I consider that more of an operational optimization (higher seat loads) than an amenity. Isn't SWISS missing the boat on getting in line for new aircraft? The NEO will not come off the lines until 2015, at which point the LX frames will start hitting 20 years of age.

Old frames (age 12-17 years)
7x 319
16x 320
6x 321

Why didn't LX get in on the LH NEO order last year to push for better prices? Or, is LH expected to order another tranche of 320NEOs for possibly the same reason (renewing old 320 family frames) as discussed above?

Considering how successful the 320neo has been, I feel like this is becoming a pressing matter.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-01-22 11:39:33 and read 5834 times.

Quoting ab1247 (Reply 165):
Why didn't LX get in on the LH NEO order last year to push for better prices?

I expect their first priority is to replace the Avro RJ100s with the comiing CSeries. There's a much higher return on investment with that change due to the drastically lower (about 25% I believe) fuel consumption and lower maintenance costs than with replacing current A320 aircraft with the NEO.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-23 05:40:29 and read 5620 times.

Maybe has been discussed before:

Have seen for a while the ex LX A332 Reg: HB-IOC at ZRH....

Does anybody know when will be delivered to Brussles Airlines

http://www.virovai.com/airliners.net/forumphotos/HB-IOC-Sabena.jpg
ZRH 23.02.12 10.40GMT

[Edited 2012-01-23 05:43:23]

[Edited 2012-01-23 05:44:46]

EDIT: a better view is not possible.....


[Edited 2012-01-23 05:45:57]

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-23 08:41:10 and read 5499 times.

Quoting AntonovA330 (Reply 158):
Let's not forget that SOF had been discontinued, which frees up an A/C (though I'm not sure if an A319 or was SOF served by an Avro lately?).

Wasn't that served by an Avro? I thought they used this plane now for the additional ZRH-LHR-ZRH route, which uses the Avro 99% of the time.

Quoting SR4ever (Reply 159):
It makes sense indeed. LCY is doubtless LX favorite Airport in London.

It does seem this way as the LHR flights are more often prone to being cancelled when special situations occur in comparison to LCY flights, at least that is my experience with flights to LHR in the past months.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-24 07:07:01 and read 5275 times.

Today seems to be an interesting day at ZRH:

SQ is flying with a 77W instead of the A388
CA has a flight on an A343 to MXP
LX flew an A333 to BRU


anybody know more about this?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: PhilInBRN
Posted 2012-01-24 08:41:04 and read 5217 times.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 169):
SQ is flying with a 77W instead of the A388

SQ A380s have to undergo structure testing due to recent developments. SQ therefore serves ZRH with a 77W for some days until their A380 fleet gets back to full availability.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 169):
CA has a flight on an A343 to MXP

Might have to do something with the World Economic Forum beginning tomorrow.

Quoting LAX888 (Reply 169):
LX flew an A333 to BRU

This is part of crew training flights within Europe. The intention is to get maximum training opportunities for future A330 pilots. Other destinations served as part of this training phase are DUS and HAJ. These flights should be operated quite frequently from now until February.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: B738FlyUIA
Posted 2012-01-24 08:43:13 and read 5214 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 170):
Quoting LAX888 (Reply 169):
SQ is flying with a 77W instead of the A388

SQ A380s have to undergo structure testing due to recent developments. SQ therefore serves ZRH with a 77W for some days until their A380 fleet gets back to full availability.

Hi Phil

You know if they will arrive tomorrow with a 77W?

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: LAX888
Posted 2012-01-24 12:06:36 and read 5129 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 170):
This is part of crew training flights within Europe. The intention is to get maximum training opportunities for future A330 pilots. Other destinations served as part of this training phase are DUS and HAJ. These flights should be operated quite frequently from now until February.

oh I see. Thanks for the information. Pity they do not use them on the LHR flights  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-24 12:46:52 and read 5098 times.

Quoting PhilInBRN (Reply 170):
This is part of crew training flights within Europe. The intention is to get maximum training opportunities for future A330 pilots. Other destinations served as part of this training phase are DUS and HAJ. These flights should be operated quite frequently from now until February.

Probably was our fellow airliners.net member SandroZRH on board. He is trained on the A 330 at the moment.

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: SandroZRH
Posted 2012-01-24 17:36:58 and read 5007 times.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 173):
Probably was our fellow airliners.net member SandroZRH on board. He is trained on the A 330 at the moment.

Nope, I won't be flying on the line before February. And then it will be ORD, MCT, TLV and 2 x JFK. No Shorthaul-rotations for me luckily  

Topic: RE: New Swiss Aviation Thread No. 28
Username: ZRH
Posted 2012-01-25 01:48:35 and read 4919 times.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 174):

Nope, I won't be flying on the line before February. And then it will be ORD, MCT, TLV and 2 x JFK. No Shorthaul-rotations for me luckily

  Ok. Happy landings.
Edited: Sandro a question about that: is the 330 training only in the simulator before you go on line or is there a real training flight?

[Edited 2012-01-25 02:36:18]


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