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Topic: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2012-01-17 20:44:45 and read 14074 times.

Alaska has announced new service from SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT, SAN-STS AND RNO-SJC, in addition to one additional STS-LAX flight for the summer. All flights will be operated by Horizon Air on the Q400. Flights begin on 6/4 and 6/5. This copied from the internal website:

Horizon Air will expand Air Group’s network this summer with new flying on behalf of Alaska Airlines in California. Alaska is adding daily nonstop service from San Diego to Monterey and Santa Rosa, and twice-daily service to Fresno. Two daily flights between San Jose and Reno are also being added as well as a third daily summer flight between Los Angeles and Santa Rosa.

All of the new flying will be operated by Horizon on its Bombardier Q400 turboprops, starting June 4 and 5.

“This is exciting news for Horizon, and yet more proof that our business transformation is paying off,” Horizon President Glenn Johnson said. “What makes this additional service possible is the increased Q400 reliability we’ve worked so hard to achieve.”
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.


San Diego-Fresno flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 San Diego-Fresno 9:15 a.m. 10:50 a.m. Daily
June 4 San Diego-Fresno 8:45 p.m. 10:20 p.m. Daily
June 4 Fresno-San Diego 7:15 a.m. 8:42 a.m. Daily
June 4 Fresno-San Diego 6:45 p.m. 8:12 p.m. Daily

San Diego-Monterey flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 San Diego-Monterey 6:55 p.m. 8:37 p.m. Daily
June 5 Monterey-San Diego 7:30 a.m. 9:12 a.m. Daily

San Diego-Santa Rosa flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 5 San Diego-Santa Rosa 9:45 a.m. 11:50 a.m. Daily
June 4 Santa Rosa-San Diego 4:25 p.m. 6:22 p.m. Daily

San Jose-Reno flights:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 5 Reno-San Jose 6 a.m. 7:08 a.m. Daily
June 4 Reno-San Jose 2:15 p.m. 3:23 p.m. Daily
June 4 San Jose-Reno 11:55 a.m. 1 p.m. Daily
June 4 San Jose-Reno 10:20 p.m. 11:25 p.m. Daily

Summary of seasonal Santa Rosa-Los Angeles service:
Start Date City Pair Departs Arrives Frequency
June 4 Santa Rosa-Los Angeles 1:35 p.m. 3:09 p.m. Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri
June 4 Los Angeles-Santa Rosa 11:30 a.m. 1:04 p.m. Sun, Mon, Thu, Fri

All times based on local time zones

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: atrude777
Posted 2012-01-17 20:47:49 and read 14087 times.

WHERE'S SANFAN?!?!? CALLING SANFAN, YOO HOO YOU GOT SOME SERVICE!!!  

Great to see more additions from Alaska and Horizon!

Alex

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-17 20:48:34 and read 14051 times.

You are kidding me!!!!!! ASFlyer, you have just MADE MY YEAR; thank you for the fantastic news!

That's what I've been talking about!

Now to go back and look at the details....

  

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-17 20:50:08 and read 14017 times.

atrude777, I had to revive myself before I could respond.....

OMG this is wonderful!

bb

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[Edited 2012-01-17 21:01:34]

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-17 20:58:34 and read 13945 times.

Since AS started sitting on 3 gates at Lindbergh a few years ago, I had a feeling future QX service might be part of the reason. Of course in the meantime, Alaska mainline has been slowly but surely expanding to where they now need all 3 gates at a few times during the day.

FAT and MRY are the most obvious needs we in SAN have been wishing for since the days of ExpressJet; both routes should do very well with the Q400 and it is fantastic to see the Alaska Group continuing to believe in and build their presence at SDIA.

STS makes sense as well and I'm sure AS/QX has thouroughly done their homework and feel the same.

Four new flights a day this summer! Thank you TAG!

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: B595
Posted 2012-01-17 21:01:14 and read 13919 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
Alaska has announced new service from SAN-MRY

This is the first positive thing to come out of MRY in about three years...

ExpressJet service @ MRY - canceled
Delta service SLC-MRY - canceled
Allegiant service SAN-MRY - canceled

This is welcome news.

[Edited 2012-01-17 21:02:41]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: smoot4208
Posted 2012-01-17 21:06:03 and read 13881 times.

Hopefully these routes will do well from SAN. AS seems like they have slowly been adding flights their. I wonder if AS would ever consider adding KOA/LIH/CUN service from there?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-17 21:17:23 and read 13794 times.

Quoting B595 (Reply 5):
This is the first positive thing to come out of MRY in about three years...
ExecJet service @ MRY - canceled
Delta service SLC-MRY - canceled
Allegiant service SAN-MRY - canceled
This is welcome news

Needless to say, agreed!

ExpressJet stopped flying (everywhere) in fall of 2008, offering at the time, 2x daily SAN-MRY and 3x daily SAN-FAT. Both routes did well on XE.

G4 offered 2x weekly SAN-MRY service between May 2009 and July 2010; many believed that the route needed smaller a/c and more frequent (daily) service. Voila!, enter Horizon!

And I do know that MRY wanted this service (to SAN) and I'm betting Fresno, as well as San Diego, have been working long and hard on making this possible as well!

Quoting smoot4208 (Reply 6):
I wonder if AS would ever consider adding KOA/LIH/CUN service from there?

KOA/LIH wouldn't surprise me at all from SAN -- maybe even this year. SAN-CUN - no, but maybe some other Mexico routes?...

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-17 21:18:46 and read 13788 times.

Hmmm!! I don't believe this for one minute unless you or someone like Hatbutton can cough up the press release from Alaska Air Group...sorry ASFlyer...sounds too good to be true.

However, if this is true, it's quite a surprise! I hope some of this service becomes year-round. Also, I hope MRY eventually gets a SEA flight. 737's back in MRY? Yeah, right.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 2):
You are kidding me!!!!!! ASFlyer, you have just MADE MY YEAR; thank you for the fantastic news!

That's what I've been talking about!

Now to go back and look at the details....

I just hope the San Diego community supports the service. Otherwise, it will gone like some of the past service from SAN. I also hope that at least some of this service is successful enough to be year-round. I don't want to hear any complaints from you anymore!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-17 21:19:53 and read 13793 times.

FAT-SAN? About time someone brought that back, glad it is QX. It is a route that has good potential (my wife is sitting here and is already talking about a getaway).

Looks like FAT-SAN is going to start as low as $59 one way.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-17 21:21:13 and read 13775 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Hmmm!! I don't believe this for one minute unless you or someone like Hatbutton can cough up the press release from Alaska Air Group...sorry ASFlyer...sounds too good to be true.

Flights are already coming up at the website.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-17 21:27:52 and read 13725 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 10):
Flights are already coming up at the website.

Just sounded too good to be true. I wish AS/QX great luck on these routes.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-17 21:36:48 and read 13657 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 11):
Just sounded too good to be true.

I agree which was why I started checking to see if they were listed. Couldn't find the PR but the flights are loaded.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2012-01-17 21:37:13 and read 13658 times.

So will MRY be the only contiguous US destination not served nonstop/directly with SEA and/or PDX?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-17 21:38:45 and read 13646 times.

Ok...I stand corrected. As FATFlyer mentioned, the flights are available in Alaskaair.com.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.

Does the STS-LAS route come back after the summer season? Maybe both routes will exist later.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-17 21:39:10 and read 13647 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 8):
Also, I hope MRY eventually gets a SEA flight. 737's back in MRY? Yeah, right.

I could see a Q400 doing MRY-SEA maybe. It's no longer than the FAT-SEA Q400 flight, which was tolerable especially with free beer. I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

Was STS-LAS not doing well? I think that route originally started as a late evening route from STS utilizing a Q400 that was RON, rather than sitting at STS for those late evening hours.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
SAN-CUN - no, but maybe some other Mexico routes?...

AS seems to have given up on CUN. I could maybe see SAN-GDL and SAN-MEX.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
So will MRY be the only contiguous US destination not served nonstop/directly with SEA and/or PDX?

MMH also.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BigGSFO
Posted 2012-01-17 21:43:54 and read 13605 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

They are still code sharing with AA Eagle LAXMRY

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-17 21:55:24 and read 13532 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
I'm actually surprised that QX is launching MRY from SAN, but no LAX or SEA.

Same here. The only rationale I can think of is filling the void left by G4's brief service. But we'll see what happens. I still hope MRY is successful as STS and obtains more service, namely LAX, PDX and SEA. I understand that STS has far different demographics, but MRY has potential.

Who will be handling QX at MRY?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
MMH also.

MMH has direct one-stop service to PDX via SJC.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-17 22:26:32 and read 13376 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
SAN-STS

Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2012-01-17 22:36:43 and read 13321 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
RNO-SJC

I had a feeling about this one with WN dropping the route this spring. Good to see another flight for them out of SJC. Now they have another gate, lots of room for more expansion.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2012-01-17 22:44:42 and read 13268 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 15):
AS seems to have given up on CUN.

It's a hard market to make work from the west coast.  

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2012-01-17 22:45:49 and read 13267 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

It flies SEA-STS daily amongst other routes that are longer than SAN-STS.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2012-01-17 23:30:43 and read 13117 times.

Looks like the SAN experiment has finally begun. I hope these routes do well as I'd love to see us build up SAN.

Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon  

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-17 23:36:25 and read 13079 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 21):
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

It flies SEA-STS daily amongst other routes that are longer than SAN-STS.

They do SEA-FAT; and surprisingly I saw SEA-OAK on a Q400 last time I was at SEA. I'd do QX on SEA-SJC just for the novelty (and free beer) if they ever did that.

SAN-STS really isn't that far, maybe 500 miles at the most. Not even close to the range of a Q400, or its existing routes.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 19):
Good to see another flight for them out of SJC.

I'm not surprised at SJC-RNO either with WN dropping it, but would rather have seen TVL. Yeah, let's hope for more from SJC: PVR, MEX. ORD, TUS, SNA, DCA, BOS, MIA, AUS (again). YVR and ANC seasonally probably wouldn't work from SJC as much as I'd like to see it. RDU might work, but I'd expect they'd do SEA-RDU first.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: gmcc
Posted 2012-01-17 23:40:42 and read 13055 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):

Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

Not fair to tease us like that.    I bet there will be some announcements on Jan 26 on the year end earnings call.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 01:19:25 and read 13239 times.

Quoting gmcc (Reply 24):

[Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22): Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon]
Not fair to tease us like that. I bet there will be some announcements on Jan 26 on the year end earnings call

Absolutely, not fair....

We know there are at least 3 new mainline a/c coming later this year -- I'm pretty sure the three 738s coming in the first half of the year are already spoken for -- so some new things are definitely coming in the fall!

But I am curious; QX is going to be starting quite a few new flights in early June. The xl-ing of STS-LAS is mentioned as a source for the new lift, but where are the rest of the new routes coming from? Seasonal adjustments, other cancellations, or is QX finding a couple more frames somewhere? (I haven't had the time yet to create turn sked's for the new service but my assumption is that more than 1 a/c will be needed for these new routes/flights. I could be very wrong about that... Anyone?)

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: fat-g4
Posted 2012-01-18 01:29:51 and read 13184 times.

Good news for FAT. I go to San Diego to often and now i dont have to drive! and the fishermans landing is right next to the airport  

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 03:03:05 and read 13225 times.

Quoting fat-g4 (Reply 26):
Good news for FAT. I go to San Diego to often and now i dont have to drive! and the fishermans landing is right next to the airport

Assuming by your screenname that you might be associated with Allegiant in Fresno (?), some of us have been waiting for a couple of years for G4 to get something going in the FAT-SAN market since XE ended service. They never have of course and I'm sure this QX service (at the announced frequency on the selected - perfect - aircraft) should be a huge success.

It's interesting to note that when XE was providing n/s service in the market, there were nice healthy numbers reported in the DOT quarterly reports; as soon as the service ended, the numbers fell dramatically as people jumped on hwy 99/I-5, or a bus (or train?), and some even "leaked" through LAX. SAN-FAT is certainly not a unique market to such a phenominon but it IS a good example of it. Judging by the fact that QX is starting with 2 dailys in the market, they have a good idea of the expected number of pax that will now choose to leave the car at home and hop on their airplane.

I think SAN-MRY is a bit different in that it's a bit of a long drive for a lot of people to make, especially business (and military) folks. This is instead a case of major leakage through either SJC or LAX when no n/s service exists. I remember last year there was an article by the MRY airport folks saying that SAN was a market that really existed and they were intent on finding someone to provide air service; they had done research and knew there were a lot of daily travelers between the 2 cities. I'm happy that the route planners at QX have decided to see if what people were saying is true!

One final thought (in this post anyway.) I don't know if the initial plan for the 3 SAN-routes calls for seasonal or year-'round service but I see no reason why any of the 3 should not work 12 months of the year. Summer is a given but I don't see any huge drop-off in pax between October and March either. I would therefore hope, a/c availability permitting, to see these routes as permanent.

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: united319
Posted 2012-01-18 10:46:46 and read 12192 times.

Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: olddominion727
Posted 2012-01-18 10:52:24 and read 12153 times.

Someone at AS really is really hot with the new routes regionally and across the country. SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA. QX can hopefully make $$$$ at SJCRNO being that WN couldn't... SANSTS, not sure about, it's worth a try though.

They've really beefed up SJC: SEA, PDX, PSP, RNO, SJD, HNL, KOA, LIH, OGG, BOI, MMH, SMF, LAX (granted some are seasonal) but AS obviously sees a growing need where AA/AE couldn't make it work because of their overhead costs. AS is brilliant and really carving out a niche on the west coast. Not so much just MX & Pacific NW. They're going to many places and trying many new routes.

They also codeshare with AA & DL on many flights, and all flights go towards AAdvantage Gold & Skymiles Elite. SJC is frothing at the mouth for more service since AA left. They've been on a hunt for someone to make SJC a focus city or regional hub. Granted this is not on that scale yet, but it's quickly becoming a place of interest on the AS route map. I like the fact that these times are also geared towards the business needs of travelers.

Any chance we'll see AUS return? I worked a major Korean Electronics manufacturer and they always had someone on those AS flights to/from AUS, ALWAYS

Great Job AS team, keep it up!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-18 11:14:56 and read 11900 times.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA.

ExpressJet operated both of those nonstop just 3 or 4 years ago. ExpressJet increased frequency on FAT-SAN from 2X daily to 3X during the year it operated the flights.

Also Allegiant attempted SAN-MRY but the flights ended in 2010.

[Edited 2012-01-18 11:16:11]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 11:17:05 and read 11874 times.

Quoting united319 (Reply 28):
Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?

Good question. I assume T1W (with mainline) but I do not know for sure.

Speaking of what terminal the new flights will use, I discovered something interesting when I finally completed a June 5 turn-schedule for SAN-AS earlier today. There will actually be some connections possible thru SAN with these new QX flights. For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour layovers at Lindbergh; the returns from Mexico to MRY work nicely but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long. SAN's arrivals from the Islands are too late to connect to anything.

I'm sure these connecting opportunities were not a big priority, probably not even planned, but who knows what might happen in the future...

The final flight count for San Diego (if the schedules remain as seen today for June 5) will be right around 18 daily departures to 9 different destinations, including 2 in Mexico! That (for me anyway) makes Alaska one of the major players in SAN now; and who knows what things may look like in a year...

  

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-18 11:23:25 and read 11802 times.

Quoting united319 (Reply 28):
Do we know if this will be operated from the Commuter Terminal or AS's Operation in Terminal 1?

I was wondering the same thing. To me, I'm thinking it would be the Commuter Terminal, because the destinations
FAT,MRY,and STS are QX destiantions,and can operate separately from AS mainline from another terminal. But,
that's just my opinion, the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RoseFlyer
Posted 2012-01-18 11:23:37 and read 11811 times.

It looks like AS/QX is going after traffic and markets that used to be the domain of Skywest's E120s which they marketed under UA. With Skywest wanting to purge the E120s, it makes sense that QX can come in as there is a market for all these flights in California as they have been served on and off for decades.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-18 11:32:59 and read 11667 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
Good question. I assume T1W (with mainline) but I do not know for sure.

Speaking of what terminal the new flights will use, I discovered something interesting when I finally completed a June 5 turn-schedule for SAN-AS earlier today. There will actually be some connections possible thru SAN with these new QX flights. For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour

Hey "B", you posted right after I did. I didn't think about the connecting possibilities. That would make it
pretty interesting if that is the intention of AS. If AS wants to use SAN to connect with the QX flights, all
they'd have to do is tweak the flight times to and from the islands.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2012-01-18 11:36:42 and read 11629 times.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
They've really beefed up SJC: SEA, PDX, PSP, RNO, SJD, HNL, KOA, LIH, OGG, BOI, MMH, SMF, LAX (granted some are seasonal)

SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

It would be nice to see some more AS mainline additions (SAN, SNA, etc). But we have a great amount of long haul with all the Hawaii Flights so no complaints here.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-18 11:43:59 and read 11544 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long.

FAT has Aeromexico and Volaris going nonstop to Mexico, so I doubt AS would market Mexico from FAT with a
connection in SAN, hence the four hour layover.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 11:47:55 and read 11509 times.

When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

I hope this is another AS-attempt at intra-CA service, especially in secondary markets.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-18 11:53:52 and read 11441 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 31):
For example, FAT-SAN-HNL, MRY-SAN-SJD, FAT-SAN-PVR all have 1-to-1 1/2 hour layovers at Lindbergh; the returns from Mexico to MRY work nicely but Mexico-Fresno are about 4 hours, a bit long. SAN's arrivals from the Islands are too late to connect to anything.

I'm sure these connecting opportunities were not a big priority, probably not even planned, but who knows what might happen in the future...

The FAT schedule seems to be driven as much by aircraft as anything. Looks like the schedule is set up for FAT-SAN-FAT then the aircraft operates FAT-PDX etc depending upon equipment rotation.

But the flights do offer another opportunity for FAT connections. I know of people who have flown AS flights from FAT to Hawaii by way of SEA already (fares played a part in the routing choice). FAT-SAN (combined with conx elsewhere) adds another way to route.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-01-18 12:17:08 and read 11211 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 35):
SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

BOI-SJC just once a day...and will operate BOI-SJC-LAX and v.v.

Tomas SJC

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: gmcc
Posted 2012-01-18 12:20:30 and read 11169 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 37):
When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

According to the latest program updates (see link below) early April 2012. LAWA is hoping to use the time after the move to reconstruct parts of the D-10 taxiway between T-3 and TBIT as there will be less traffic.

http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA..._LAXDev/PSR%20(2011-11)(Final).pdf

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: redrooster3
Posted 2012-01-18 12:52:38 and read 10896 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT, SAN-STS

Fantastic News for people here at SAN. AS must be making SAN a focus city because every time I turn my head around, their opening a new route!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 13:14:39 and read 10708 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 35):
SMF goes away in either March of April. I think the "BOI" triangle is now through LAX. (BOI-SJC-LAX-BOI; LAX-SJC-BOI-LAX) Pleaes correct me if i'm wrong on that.

It would be nice to see some more AS mainline additions (SAN, SNA, etc). But we have a great amount of long haul with all the Hawaii Flights so no complaints here.

I don't think QX was doing SJC-SMF to carry traffic in that market. I assume it was just to serve SMF-BOI by adding the triangle with SJC. It's about the same driving distance as SEA-BLI, which also carries almost no local traffic AFAIK.

I too would like to see SJC-SAN and SJC-SNA but would expect they'd be operated by QX Q400s, not AS mainline. I wouldn't expect either of them to be out of the realm of possibility either, although QX apparently was granted SNA slots during the last round and declined them.

Having family in both SJC and near SNA, they often go back and forth SJC-SNA. Now there's no competition on the route at all. AA/AE dropped SJC-SNA and B6 dropped SJC-LGB. I think that route carries a lot of high-tech and business traffic too.

My belief is that SJC-SNA could support another carrier in competition with WN and QX could make it work.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 13:27:36 and read 10595 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
I'm thinking it would be the Commuter Terminal, because the destinations
FAT,MRY,and STS are QX destiantions,and can operate separately from AS mainline from another terminal. But,
that's just my opinion, the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1

Hi L. Exciting, isn't it?

AFAIK, the CT is still supposed to be mainly for flights to LAX. Ux does run the MMH flight out of the CT, and a COEXP flight from SFO to SAN (?) shows arriving there as well, but all the Dx flights to/from SLC, and all the other Ux flights (to DEN and SFO) use the main terminals. I think the idea is for the pax to understand things more easily: flying to LAX, depart from the CT; otherwise, it's the main terminals. (In fact, ALL flights to LAX do leave from the CT so I think MMH is really the only exception.)

Even though the QX flights will be turboprops, I still expect they will be kept close to Chester's ballpark. In fact, I've always imagined that the apron including the former gate 19 and over toward gate 18 would make a very nice Horizon gate area. I'd have to study the aerial shots but I can see 2 or even 3 Q's parked there with pax entering the terminal via stairs to the second level from the tarmac. (Or maybe there's even room on the first floor of the west rotunda for a downstairs hold room for QX.)

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 36):
FAT has Aeromexico and Volaris going nonstop to Mexico, so I doubt AS would market Mexico from FAT with a connection in SAN, hence the four hour layover

But those flights from FAT are all to GDL. AM does then connect to PVR while Y4 doesn't. And there's no service from GDL to SJD. So yeah, I'm certainly not seeing SAN becoming a major gateway/hub for AS to Hawaii or Mexico but there might be a select few opportunities for folks to avoid LA or SF connections by flying through SAN.

In fact, I just looked at the AS booking engine and all those connections I mentioned in the earlier post are there! Very interesting. So the connecting opportunities may not have been intentional, but AS is selling them...

This just keeps on getting more and more interesting.

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: threeifbyair
Posted 2012-01-18 13:36:52 and read 10487 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):
Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

Looking forward to it - I might suggest PHL, PIT, BWI, or IND as options   but I'm not that picky - love to see new AS service, whether or not it is ex-SEA.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 25):
But I am curious; QX is going to be starting quite a few new flights in early June. The xl-ing of STS-LAS is mentioned as a source for the new lift, but where are the rest of the new routes coming from? Seasonal adjustments, other cancellations, or is QX finding a couple more frames somewhere? (I haven't had the time yet to create turn sked's for the new service but my assumption is that more than 1 a/c will be needed for these new routes/flights. I could be very wrong about that... Anyone?)

Apparently it is coming from increased utilization of existing frames thanks to better reliability - see below:

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
“This is exciting news for Horizon, and yet more proof that our business transformation is paying off,” Horizon President Glenn Johnson said. “What makes this additional service possible is the increased Q400 reliability we’ve worked so hard to achieve.”

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: venom831
Posted 2012-01-18 13:49:05 and read 10392 times.

Just came here to post about my home airport. Talked with airport officials, and it is 100% confirmed that they will start the new MRY-SAN, SAN-MRY service starting June 4th. Wedgetail737, you can just accept it now  . Also, they are thinking that a MRY-SEA/PDX would fit quite well into their plans of expansion, however for the time being, Alaska does not agree.

MRY wont stop trying for new routes, and I wont stop trying to help them. It's quite possible for 737's to finally grace MRY with their presence again, daily. We already get Sun Country every month as troop transports  .

Very glad this day has finally come! A nice birthday gift today, if you ask me!

[Edited 2012-01-18 13:50:23]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-18 13:54:30 and read 10303 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
This just keeps on getting more and more interesting.

bb

It sure is!

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
AFAIK, the CT is still supposed to be mainly for flights to LAX

Before posting the 2nd time, I was thinking they would use the CT like ExpressJet did, however, It does makes
more sense to operate the QX flights right next to AS mainline in T-1W to better facilitate the connection opportunities between QX and AS.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 41):
AS must be making SAN a focus city

I suppose if the QX flights do well, that could be the direction AS could may be headed.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
I've always imagined that the apron including the former gate 19 and over toward gate 18 would make a very nice Horizon gate area. I'd have to study the aerial shots but I can see 2 or even 3 Q's parked there with pax entering the terminal via stairs to the second level from the tarmac. (Or maybe there's even room on the first floor of the west rotunda for a downstairs hold room for QX.)

If AS/QX adds more flights to SAN, I suppose it would kill my theory of AS moving to T-2 after the T-2W expansion's complete. AS just might take over the entire T-1W rotunda after UA moves, while WN has T-1E. Either way, It's still
interesting! While still on topic, I still would love to see QX give CLD a try.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 13:58:25 and read 10269 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
I don't think QX was doing SJC-SMF to carry traffic in that market.

That route took on connection traffic, especially from LAX (believe it or not). I've flown the route a couple of times. There is some local traffic on the route...probably more than SEA-BLI. Back in the day, WestAir used to fly multiple flights between the two points.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
My belief is that SJC-SNA could support another carrier in competition with WN and QX could make it work.

Ironically, SNA is in a better position to handle commuters like the Q400.

Quoting venom831 (Reply 45):
Just came here to post about my home airport. Talked with airport officials, and it is 100% confirmed that they will start the new MRY-SAN, SAN-MRY service starting June 4th. Wedgetail737, you can just accept it now . Also, they are thinking that a MRY-SEA/PDX would fit quite well into their plans of expansion, however for the time being Alaska does not agree.

I hope the MRY service occurs more than just seasonal.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-01-18 14:00:51 and read 10268 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 37):
When does AS make the big move from T3 to T6 at LAX? Is there room there for additional service?

Yes they can expand, however AS/QX has shrunk by some 20-25% in enplaments at LAX in last few years.

I'm not sure where LAX sits in the broader network picture now that Mexico is down greatly, and much of the LAX Q400 flying has been trimmed. LA basin focus has been much more on simply connecting it to the carriers PNW base than anything else recently.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: UAL747DEN
Posted 2012-01-18 14:28:02 and read 10034 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 27):
It's interesting to note that when XE was providing n/s service in the market, there were nice healthy numbers reported in the DOT quarterly reports; as soon as the service ended, the numbers fell dramatically as people jumped on hwy 99/I-5, or a bus (or train?), and some even "leaked" through LAX.

You must also look at what XE had to do to fill their planes though too. Not only were the tickets dirt cheap but they spent a huge amount of cash on marketing per passenger to fill the seats. XE also had a very different business case when they were flying these routes, QX and everyone else needs to see a profit, XE didn't have that same motivation they just needed a place to stick the planes where they wouldn't loose too much money while they fought it out with CO.

Quoting olddominion727 (Reply 29):
Someone at AS really is really hot with the new routes regionally and across the country. SANFAT & MRY haven't been flown nonstop since PSA

Need to check your history on that!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
the Commuter Terminal also seems to be less crowded than Terminal-1.

My only experience with the Commuter Terminal was when XE was flying out of there and when they had flights moving that place was completely packed! It was not even close to big enough to handle the flights that were going out, people were stuffed everywhere!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 14:35:09 and read 10010 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 47):
Back in the day, WestAir used to fly multiple flights between the two points.

So did Air California fly several 732s a day SJC-SMF. PSA did several 727s (and an L1011 very briefly) on SFO-SMF.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 14:41:45 and read 9942 times.

Quoting threeifbyair (Reply 44):
Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):
Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

Looking forward to it - I might suggest PHL, PIT, BWI, or IND as options but I'm not that picky - love to see new AS service, whether or not it is ex-SEA.

Yeah, I've kind of been thinking that too. Seems like it's been awhile since AS has announced a new earth shattering route (no offense to MCI but it didn't knock my socks off).

I've posted my predictions before for their next new routes:

BLI-OGG (probably less than daily)
PDX-LIH
SEA-RDU
SEA-PHL
PDX-MIA
SJC-ORD
SJC-BOS
PDX-EWR
PDX-SJC-PVR
SJC-MEX (if they can get authority)

Probably not:

SEA-ITO
SEA-OMA
SEA-OKC
SEA-SAT

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: ghifty
Posted 2012-01-18 15:15:09 and read 9605 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
Looks like FAT-SAN is going to start as low as $59 one way.

Great fare for a weekend getaway. If the other routes, especially STS, are that cheap.. I know exactly what I'm getting my parents for their 20th anniversary!!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: smoot4208
Posted 2012-01-18 15:16:32 and read 9621 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 51):
BLI-OGG (probably less than daily)
PDX-LIH
SEA-RDU
SEA-PHL
PDX-MIA
SJC-ORD
SJC-BOS
PDX-EWR
PDX-SJC-PVR
SJC-MEX (if they can get authority)

SJC-PVR and PDX-LIH seem like the most likely candidates.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 15:43:47 and read 9449 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 51):
I've posted my predictions before for their next new routes:
BLI-OGG
PDX-LIH
SEA-RDU
SEA-PHL
PDX-MIA
SJC-ORD
SJC-BOS
PDX-EWR
PDX-SJC-PVR
SJC-MEX

Hey 'Guy, interesting list but a bit weighted toward, oh, I don't know, PDX, SEA and SJC. Given this thread's topic, and some of the posts, thoughts, and implications that have seen here, I notice that you have no predictions involving a certain good-sized city in the very south end of California?

I predict you might be surprised come this fall...

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 15:56:09 and read 9351 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 54):
I predict you might be surprised come this fall...

Well yeah, of course. I live near SEA (guess who my employer is....) and hail from SJC so naturally I'm biased. That and the fact that AS has hubs in SEA, PDX and a nice small build up in SJC.

What is coming? SAN to where? Is it going to build up?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-01-18 16:00:24 and read 9323 times.

I'm happy to see AS adding SAN to our options out of STS but totally bummed they are taking away LAS to support it! The LAS flight was packed every time I took it but perhaps the numbers weren't as high as projected for the SAN route.

BTW, the Q400's max range is roughly 1,610 miles/2,591km, the STS to SAN route is 509 miles.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 16:33:09 and read 9086 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 56):
I'm happy to see AS adding SAN to our options out of STS but totally bummed they are taking away LAS to support it! The LAS flight was packed every time I took it but perhaps the numbers weren't as high as projected for the SAN route.

BTW, the Q400's max range is roughly 1,610 miles/2,591km, the STS to SAN route is 509 miles.

Keep in mind that the STS-SAN service is seasonal for the summer. I'm hoping the STS-LAS flights come back.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2012-01-18 17:44:01 and read 8663 times.

Thanks Horizon! It's about time you show some love on the SAN-intrastate flights. And this bone got some fat on it!  

I'm looking forward to some service on Horizon from SAN to LTO and LAP to compliment SJD as well. After all we are the gateway to Baja. Also, if AS could add a seasonal Saturday only non-stop to ANC from SAN, I'd be in heaven.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2012-01-18 17:59:48 and read 8542 times.

I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 18:08:50 and read 8484 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 59):
I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?

Hmm. I don't know. California Pacific Airways is flying to different destinations than AS/QX.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-18 18:12:14 and read 8447 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 59):
I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?

Hmmm, possibly to send a smiling eskimo there for some competition?  

It would be great if QX sent one of their Q400's to CLD. Nice plane for the job!

[Edited 2012-01-18 18:14:17]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: smitty747
Posted 2012-01-18 18:15:18 and read 8437 times.

Does anybody think in the future that Horizon/Alaska could take on the big behemoth (WN) on the SAN-SMF route? I've always wondered why Southwest has been the only non-stop carrier on this route for so long. I know there are no significant connection possibilities between these two cities, but there does seem to be quite a demand. I'm sure a new carrier would likely get met with significant resistance from WN, but could a smaller aircraft with lower costs (like a Q400) make it work and break into that market?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-18 18:26:00 and read 8359 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 57):
Keep in mind that the STS-SAN service is seasonal for the summer. I'm hoping the STS-LAS flights come back

D, where was it mentioned about seasonality of any of the SAN flights? I asked about that in my post #27 and maybe I missed it but I've seen no confirmation about the status of these new routes. (I did see that the newly announced 3rd LA-STS flight is only scheduled through August.) Please direct me to that information.

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 18:47:39 and read 8219 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 59):
I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?

I'll believe they are real when they start service. I reminds me of the Bellevue Brewing Company. First he's going to open last year; then April; then June; then October; still nothing; then later this year......... I'll believe California Pacific is real when they actually start flying.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 58):
Also, if AS could add a seasonal Saturday only non-stop to ANC from SAN, I'd be in heaven.

That would be interesting, but considering they discontued SFO-ANC (not sure if that's permanent) and do LAX. PDX and SEA to ANC I wouldn't expect SAN-ANC. I'd expect a resumption of seasonal SFO first, or maybe even SJC-ANC in the Summer?

It's also interesting to note, that with all of AS's expansion the last few years, they've added no new ANC destinations (other than their Hawaii expansion). They once stated that they'd eventually fill in some more cities, and maybe more in the east to ANC. All they've done is discontinue SFO and YVR's seasonal flights. DEN sticks around though. Part of it might be range though. Even the 738 might have trouble with DFW-ANC, EWR-HNL, ATL-HNL, etc.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 54):
I notice that you have no predictions involving a certain good-sized city in the very south end of California?

What, do you think AS is going to start flying into TIJ?  

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 19:26:35 and read 8025 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 63):
D, where was it mentioned about seasonality of any of the SAN flights?
Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
Alaska has announced new service from SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT, SAN-STS AND RNO-SJC, in addition to one additional STS-LAX flight for the summer.

Did I mis-interpret what ASFlyer originally said? Is the 3rd STS nonstop flight the only summer addition?

If the others are year-round...that's even better. I guess I get excited about the main point and do a terrible job at reading the details.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 64):
I'll believe they are real when they start service. I reminds me of the Bellevue Brewing Company. First he's going to open last year; then April; then June; then October; still nothing; then later this year......... I'll believe California Pacific is real when they actually start flying.

I tend to agree. At least the new AS/QX flights are bookable. Hopefully they are full all the time.

All this new service is probably running the Q400 fleet pretty thin. The only places AS/QX could rotate the Q400's is through FAT and STS, which have links to SEA or PDX.

I hope more "fun" stuff comes soon from AS.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: intsim
Posted 2012-01-18 19:51:16 and read 7875 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 59):
I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 60):
Hmm. I don't know. California Pacific Airways is flying to different destinations than AS/QX.

That is what I was wondering but I could not remember their name, thank you.

It may be different destinations but isn't AS/QX very interested in selling their product to business travelers? This would be a good way to expand brand presence ahead of the California Pacific Airways' proposed start up. Especially with Horizon having some infrastructure at FAT and STS.

It will be interesting to see how this shakes out. It is nice to see AS/QX expanding on their outside the box strategy. It seems AS/QX could really take this to the national stage. 200 Q400s anyone!?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-18 21:17:05 and read 7533 times.

Have all of the Lynx Q400's been in service with other airlines? Too bad AS/QX won't pick those airplanes up for additional service. Afterall, Alaska Air Group is turning out to be one of the more profitable airline companies and they rank high in customer service.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: B595
Posted 2012-01-18 21:19:05 and read 7535 times.

Some people here have MRY-SEA or MRY-PDX on their wish list.

So here's a question: If one of the above came to fruition, would it be the first ever route from MRY to a west-coast destination north of SFO? I know, technically, MRY-DEN ends north of SFO (as did MRY-SLC), but those aren't west coast destinations.

Perhaps there was some oddball commuter flight like MRY-SMF, or MRY-TVL?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2012-01-18 21:36:31 and read 7503 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 64):
It's also interesting to note, that with all of AS's expansion the last few years, they've added no new ANC destinations (other than their Hawaii expansion). They once stated that they'd eventually fill in some more cities, and maybe more in the east to ANC. All they've done is discontinue SFO and YVR's seasonal flights. DEN sticks around though. Part of it might be range though. Even the 738 might have trouble with DFW-ANC, EWR-HNL, ATL-HNL, etc.

I don't know if we will expand much more out of ANC. We are already taking ANC-ORD back to just once daily year round. I believe we added a second one in the summer. US is dropping PHL-ORD so that kind of indicates that going to the east coast may not work out like expected. As for SFO/LAX to ANC, it's hard to justify a nonstop when you can route people directly through SEA. If there is little competition for direct service, then it just makes sense to do a one stop. Which is exactly why GEG to anywhere in California hasn't lasted. It just makes more sense from the airline's standpoint to route through SEA.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 59):
I wonder if AS is keeping an eye on a little airline nursing quietly in the background based out of Carlsbad?

I don't really think anyone is paying attention to California Pacific Airways. Isn't their business model just to capture flyers who don't want to fly out of SAN and would rather use CLD? Intra California flying isn't really AAG's thing until just now. So I doubt we feel threatened by them in any way, and I doubt this was a preemptive strike against CPA starting up. Plus CPA isn't planning on serving FAT or MRY. WN has the most to lose if they end up being successful.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-01-18 21:44:52 and read 7477 times.

Quoting B595 (Reply 68):
So here's a question: If one of the above came to fruition, would it be the first ever route from MRY to a west-coast destination north of SFO? I know, technically, MRY-DEN ends north of SFO (as did MRY-SLC), but those aren't west coast destinations.

I think you're right. There has been MRY-DEN as you indicate; UA did MRY-ORD for a very short time; Air California and PSA did MRY-SFO and to LAX and SNA. I don't recall anything from MRY non-stop to the north either.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 69):
US is dropping PHL-ORD

I assume you meant PHL-ANC.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2012-01-18 21:55:52 and read 7461 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 70):

I assume you meant PHL-ANC.

Haha whoops. I think I was thinking about ANC-ORD still when I typed that. Yes, PHL-ANC.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: LV
Posted 2012-01-19 00:15:00 and read 7307 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 56):
I'm happy to see AS adding SAN to our options out of STS but totally bummed they are taking away LAS to support it! The LAS flight was packed every time I took it but perhaps the numbers weren't as high as projected for the SAN route.
Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.

I have to admit I always scratched my head about the STS-LAS route... never really saw it as a market that needed at daily Q400. But with this route gone I wonder if G4 might consider opening it back up. A few times a week on a MD80 to match demand seems much more like what I would expect for this route.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: mikesairways
Posted 2012-01-19 08:11:53 and read 7194 times.

Apparently there is more to come:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...creases-prnews-3536454498.html?x=0

Starting service PDX-SBA as well as other cities in Montana

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-01-19 08:50:34 and read 7141 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 67):
Have all of the Lynx Q400's been in service with other airlines? Too bad AS/QX won't pick those airplanes up for additional service.




QX did operate one ex Lynx Q400, N510LX, on loan from Bombardier, for awhile. It was an operational nightmare. 2 seats less and a different galley, lavatory and pit configuration. It required different weight and balance paperwork than the rest of the fleet and was not fun to work in an overbooked situation!

Quoting B595 (Reply 68):
Some people here have MRY-SEA or MRY-PDX on their wish list.



I could see QX doing 2 round robins a day. MRY-PDX-SEA-MRY-SEA-PDX-MRY. We get several customers in SJC who do the 90 minute (or longer) drive from the Monterey Peninsula to head north. But perhaps AS management fears any additional MRY service to the north would take away revenue from SJC?

Tom SJC

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-19 10:55:53 and read 6980 times.

Quoting mikesairways (Reply 73):
Apparently there is more to come:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...creases-prnews-3536454498.html?x=0
Starting service PDX-SBA as well as other cities in Montana

Yeah, I just saw these new routes listed on the OAG thread. I still wonder where all this Q availability is coming from? (Tightening up the schedule is one thing but...) It also occurred to me that all these new Q routes must mean the entire Q schedule must be totally different system-wide starting in June?

(Oooops, I see there is a separate thread on these latest route announcements. Having read the release, I also now see that PDX-SBA is being flown by OO with a CR7. That helps answer my own question above.)

bb

[Edited 2012-01-19 11:00:28]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-19 11:52:03 and read 6916 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 74):
But perhaps AS management fears any additional MRY service to the north would take away revenue from SJC?

MRY's airport is far enough away from SJC that I don't think it'll take a whole lot away. I think MRY is an experiment to see how much demand is there. I hope to see further expansion of MRY in the not-too-distant future.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2012-01-19 12:23:20 and read 6913 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 75):
Yeah, I just saw these new routes listed on the OAG thread. I still wonder where all this Q availability is coming from? (Tightening up the schedule is one thing but...) It also occurred to me that all these new Q routes must mean the entire Q schedule must be totally different system-wide starting in June?

Well first it's important to note that the Q400 fleet isn't running at full strength if I remember correctly because of the teething problems they've had. But now that operational reliability is increasing, they likely can squeeze more out of these planes in one day than before. These are summer seasonal routes and it isn't uncommon to do this even at AS. Whenever a new route is started on the AS side everyone questions where the planes come from. Which makes sense for routes like SEA-MCI that are daily year round. But keep in mind that in the summer at AS, we schedule 10-15% more ASMs than we do in the winter, typically with the same number of airplanes. So adding summer seasonal service is not unrealistic with the current fleet.

The PDX-Montana flights are during the middle of the day, so those must just be general tweaks of schedules to get those airplanes to fit at those times. But PDX-BLI leaves PDX at 9pm and stays overnight in BLI and then returns at 6am. My guess is this aircraft ended it's day at 830pm and they are squeezing 2 more segments out of it each day and just having it stay the night in BLI.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-19 12:54:37 and read 6839 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 77):
These are summer seasonal routes and it isn't uncommon to do this even at AS.

Hat', can you clarify once and for all about the SAN routes - seasonal or not? I know that a lot of the other routes have been announced as summer-only but I'm still unclear about our 3 new QX-routes... at least what the current plans are.

And btw, thanks for the explanation on the Q scheduling; that helps a lot.

bb

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: hatbutton
Posted 2012-01-19 13:01:16 and read 6826 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 78):
Hat', can you clarify once and for all about the SAN routes - seasonal or not? I know that a lot of the other routes have been announced as summer-only but I'm still unclear about our 3 new QX-routes... at least what the current plans are.

The only route that has been announced in CA that is seasonal is the 3rd daily LAX-STS. That will drop back to 2x daily in the winter. So SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT and SAN-STS will be year round service at the level of frequencies reported.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 78):
And btw, thanks for the explanation on the Q scheduling; that helps a lot.

Sure thing. I just went back and re read the internal release about all this new service and Glenn Johnson, the President of QX did mention that most of this new service was made possible by the increased reliability of the Q400 which indicates they won't come at the expense of any other routes.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2012-01-19 13:02:52 and read 6814 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 78):
Hat', can you clarify once and for all about the SAN routes - seasonal or not? I know that a lot of the other routes have been announced as summer-only but I'm still unclear about our 3 new QX-routes... at least what the current plans are.

And btw, thanks for the explanation on the Q scheduling; that helps a lot.

The only seasonal route in the first announcement was the additional STS-LAX. The rest were year round.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-19 13:56:27 and read 6746 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 79):
SAN-MRY, SAN-FAT and SAN-STS will be year round service at the level of frequencies reported.
Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 80):
The only seasonal route in the first announcement was the additional STS-LAX. The rest were year round

Thank you guys. Year-'round was my interpretation and hope but I think many of us needed clarification. As I said earlier in the thread, there is absolutely no reason why any of the 3 SAN-routes should not be viable all year.

This just keeps getting better and better!

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: san747
Posted 2012-01-19 17:47:44 and read 6563 times.

Great news for San Diego and I'm glad to see intra-CA flying making a comeback in general!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-19 18:57:41 and read 6492 times.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 22):
Looks like the SAN experiment has finally begun. I hope these routes do well as I'd love to see us build up SAN. Stay tuned for more fun surprises soon

You know you're killing me here, So SAN is something planned as an experiment? Well hats off to everyone in the know, for keeping the secret so well. I am going to go crazy waiting for more announcements. I could gush on about AS & HA being my favs, but each expansion just solidifies this in my heart. If one could love an airline, I'd be considered smitten.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-19 22:40:51 and read 6344 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 83):
You know you're killing me here, So SAN is something planned as an experiment? Well hats off to everyone in the know, for keeping the secret so well. I am going to go crazy waiting for more announcements. I could gush on about AS & HA being my favs, but each expansion just solidifies this in my heart.

Interesting, no? Believe me, '380, you're not the only one waiting for the next announcement!  

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: EA CO AS
Posted 2012-01-19 22:46:06 and read 6343 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 84):
Interesting, no? Believe me, '380, you're not the only one waiting for the next announcement!

The earnings call is fast approaching....just sayin'....   

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-20 01:53:39 and read 6235 times.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 85):
The earnings call is fast approaching....just sayin'....

Hmmmmm, they have been known to use the occasion to embellish the AS route map here and there haven't they...?

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: B595
Posted 2012-01-21 01:04:54 and read 5968 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 74):
But perhaps AS management fears any additional MRY service to the north would take away revenue from SJC?


I'm not sure the number of Monterey-area residents that fly out of SJC/SFO would greatly change. I don't have rigorous stats to support this, but I can say that a good fraction of my friends and associates will not be swayed to fly out of MRY no matter its flight offerings. This is because they don't want to be diverted at the end of a long trip home when MRY is socked-in with low ceilings. Like it or not, the airport has a reputation for frequent diversions. And this probably isn't going to change soon. The airport doesn't have the service to justify anything more than a CAT-I ILS. And to make matters worse, the CAT-I ILS 10R at MRY has a 300 ft decision height, which is 100 ft higher than a standard CAT-I ILS.

None of the above is meant to take anything away from Horizon's new MRY service. I hope it does well.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-21 01:36:16 and read 5956 times.

Quoting B595 (Reply 87):
I'm not sure the number of Monterey-area residents that fly out of SJC/SFO would greatly change. I don't have rigorous stats to support this, but I can say that a good fraction of my friends and associates will not be swayed to fly out of MRY no matter its flight offerings. This is because they don't want to be diverted at the end of a long trip home when MRY is socked-in with low ceilings. Like it or not, the airport has a reputation for frequent diversions. And this probably isn't going to change soon. The airport doesn't have the service to justify anything more than a CAT-I ILS. And to make matters worse, the CAT-I ILS 10R at MRY has a 300 ft decision height, which is 100 ft higher than a standard CAT-I ILS.

None of the above is meant to take anything away from Horizon's new MRY service. I hope it does well

I have relatives in Monterey and Carmel and I know they will be thrilled with another option out of the MRY airport. They make the drive up to SJC now -- to fly to both SAN and SEA -- and do not like it at all; they don't like the drive up the usually very crowded 101 thru Gilroy, etc., they don't like the parking at SJC, and they don't care for the crowded "big" airport. I'm sure they will much rather take their chances with QX's nonstop, even with an early morning departure and a late evening arrival -- understandably the worst possible times for weather issues!

(BTW, don't most MRY diversions of smaller planes head for the Salinas airport -- if it's open -- just over the hills east of the coast? Or do they divert to SJC?)

Studies by MRY have apparently demonstrated a desire (and existence of traffic) for nonstop service to SAN so it's just a matter of whether or not the times are acceptable and the people will use the service. If things do work for SAN-MRY-SAN, hopefully SEA-MRY-SEA will follow sometime in the not-to-distant future.

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: yeelep
Posted 2012-01-21 06:49:39 and read 5874 times.

Quoting B595 (Reply 87):
The airport doesn't have the service to justify anything more than a CAT-I ILS. And to make matters worse, the CAT-I ILS 10R at MRY has a 300 ft decision height, which is 100 ft higher than a standard CAT-I ILS.

Doesn't the HGS equipped Q400's that Horizon flies allow lower minimums?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-01-21 07:58:47 and read 5844 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 7):
And I do know that MRY wanted this service (to SAN)

I've flown MRY-SAN a couple of times. But in order to make the trip on either AE or UAX you have to make an annoying plane-change at LAX. Actually, Navy engineering MRY to Navy engineering SAN ought to be able to support the route singlehandedly.


Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 18):
Does the Q400 has the range to make it from SAN to STS?

I've also done QX Q400s SEA-BIL (about 700 miles) . So STS-SAN should be a cake walk.


Quoting SANFan (Reply 4):
Since AS started sitting on 3 gates at Lindbergh a few years ago

Wouldn't these flights need to depart from the Commuter Terminal?

[Edited 2012-01-21 08:39:47]

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-01-21 09:48:45 and read 5749 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 90):
Wouldn't these flights need to depart from the Commuter Terminal?

I think that would be a logistical nightmare fro staffing at AS.

Tom SJC

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-21 11:28:42 and read 5667 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 90):
I've flown MRY-SAN a couple of times. But in order to make the trip on either AE or UAX you have to make an annoying plane-change at LAX. Actually, Navy engineering MRY to Navy engineering SAN ought to be able to support the route singlehandedly

Absolutely. I think a lot of people don't realize the military connections between the 2 cities; I've mentioned that in the past when this discussion has come up. And that's another reason the G4 service failed -- 2x weekly service wasn't really practical for the military. The AS schedule will actually allow 1-day trips from MRY down to SAN in the early morning and back up to MRY in the evening and I bet there'll be lots of trips like that happening. (I hope!)

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 90):
Wouldn't these flights need to depart from the Commuter Terminal?

I posted about this in Reply #43 in this thread, 'flyer. I still haven't seen confirmation anywhere about which terminal QX flights will use but my guess is still that they will share T1W real estate with AS mainline. (There's plenty of ticket counter space there so it's just a matter of how they manage the a/c parking.)

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-01-21 12:59:41 and read 5608 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 92):
I posted about this in Reply #43 in this thread, 'flyer. I still haven't seen confirmation anywhere about which terminal QX flights will use but my guess is still that they will share T1W real estate with AS mainline. (There's plenty of ticket counter space there so it's just a matter of how they manage the a/c parking.)

I know CO docks their Q400s at (mainline) Concourse C and they use the jetbridges there, but I understand that's because the Expressjet gates in Concourse A are too close together for the Q400's wingspan.

Does T-1W have any authority-owned CUTE gates? I know both AC and WS go in and out of there.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: B595
Posted 2012-01-21 13:52:22 and read 5563 times.

Quoting yeelep (Reply 89):
Doesn't the HGS equipped Q400's that Horizon flies allow lower minimums?

You're right, the HGS could give Horizon an advantage. How much is not clear, because I think the gains in landing minimums are airport-dependent. In the case of MRY runway 10R, it doesn't have centerline lighting, touchdown-zone lighting, or high-intensity runway lighting (HIRL). Also, the non-standard 300 ft DH suggests there may be some other design limitation to the ILS that will factor in. So Horizon might not get the same reduction in minimums that they do at SEA, say. But I'm guessing it stands to make a meaningful difference. I can recall an occasion or two when a high-end business jet like a G450 (probably with HGS, SVS, etc.) made it in but no one else did.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 88):
I have relatives in Monterey and Carmel and I know they will be thrilled with another option out of the MRY airport.

I will be thrilled as well   I've personally had a trip scuttled because I forgot about the flea-market in the Prunedale area that backs up traffic on northbound 101 for miles.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-21 13:55:03 and read 5556 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 93):
I know CO docks their Q400s at (mainline) Concourse C and they use the jetbridges there, but I understand that's because the Expressjet gates in Concourse A are too close together for the Q400's wingspan

Sorry, 'flyer, but I'm not sure what airport you're referring to here.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 93):
Does T-1W have any authority-owned CUTE gates? I know both AC and WS go in and out of there.

Yes, the CUTE counters/gates are actually out of T2E, including the FIS gates, 20 and 21 which are in reality, the gates which connect T1 and T2. (That's where our Canadian cx call home.) All gates in T1 are airline-specific.

There used to be a gate 19 right next to the AS counter at the far west end of T1; it's now the temporary home of the USO until their fantastic new facility is opened (as part of the Green Build.) It turned out that gate 19 became somewhat land-locked between gate 18 and gate 20, especially when that big beautiful T7 wearing the Union Jack is sitting there for a couple hours each night, so it finally ceased to exist. (Also, it needed its own TSA/security arrangements which was a high cost item for the airport.)

But, as I said in my earlier post, there is the unused apron space which used to be gate 19, and along with 18, my theory is that AS might use that as a Horizon staging and parking area; in a sense, they would turn gate 18 into a multi-gate for several smaller planes as needed. Perhaps they might even be able to build a holding room, separate from gate 18's (out in the west rotunda), to handle the QX flights. There is quite a bit of lead time here, almost 6 months, so maybe there will be a little pocket of construction happening there quickly...

Hope this helps.

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-01-21 14:16:13 and read 5531 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 43):
Even though the QX flights will be turboprops, I still expect they will be kept close to Chester's ballpark. In fact, I've always imagined that the apron including the former gate 19 and over toward gate 18 would make a very nice Horizon gate area. I'd have to study the aerial shots but I can see 2 or even 3 Q's parked there with pax entering the terminal via stairs to the second level from the tarmac. (Or maybe there's even room on the first floor of the west rotunda for a downstairs hold room for QX.)

In fact, QX and UAX have a similar arrangement at YYC ( you go down a hallway off to the side, after Security -- then turn -- then another hallway -- then through another doorway -- and there you are) where over the years wash-rooms, a news-shop, a bar-cafe, and a duty free shop have been built serving only this area.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-01-21 14:27:53 and read 5503 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 95):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 93):I know CO docks their Q400s at (mainline) Concourse C and they use the jetbridges there, but I understand that's because the Expressjet gates in Concourse A are too close together for the Q400's wingspan

Sorry, 'flyer, but I'm not sure what airport you're referring to here.

Oh! Sorry about that.   

That would be EWR.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-21 14:31:30 and read 5511 times.

Quoting B595 (Reply 94):
I will be thrilled as well I've personally had a trip scuttled because I forgot about the flea-market in the Prunedale area that backs up traffic on northbound 101 for miles.

The Big Red Barn...

Oh that stretch of 101 is a killer (literally, in fact, all too often...)

With QX scheduling their only flight into that airport at those times, they must have some sort of plan.

As I think about it, it seems kind of strange, including from a staffing standpoint, to have op's at an airport, a single flight only, early in the morning -- for a 7:30 departure -- and in the evening for the 8:30 arrival. I'm sure these are contract personnel but still.

Or maybe, there's more MRY news coming...?

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-22 10:05:04 and read 5228 times.

Not much has been said about the new SJC-RNO service. The timed flights seem good for connections to Hawaii and Mexico, although some of the connections might be kind of long. I haven't looked at their timetables. Also, it provides additional capacity for those who wish to go to RNO. The three nonstops between SEA and RNO seemed to always be booked solid and prices to RNO haven't been all that cheap, unless they are promotional start-up fares or CyberMonday fares. I hope this service is a successful one.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 88):
If things do work for SAN-MRY-SAN, hopefully SEA-MRY-SEA will follow sometime in the not-to-distant future.

I think if or when QX starts MRY-SEA, it will solidify MRY's position with AS/QX. MRY has its own tourist attractions like Cannery Row, the Monterey Aquarium, Sea Otters, Santa Cruz, etc. I think AS/QX could set up MRY like STS. Yes...different people fly QX for different reasons, but there's enough people around that if the prices are right, they will fly.

It's too bad that AS/QX couldn't start service out of CCR for the communities of Contra Costa County, where the population continues to expand. There are other smaller airports around near Contra Costa County that could easily handle a Q400, but are too close to already-served airports like Napa County Airport north of Vallejo, CA is too close to STS and Livermore Municipal Airport is too close to OAK.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: aa61hvy
Posted 2012-01-22 12:25:01 and read 5130 times.

The STS-LAS axing really shocked me. I flew it 4 times and both to and from the flights were always full.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-22 13:08:26 and read 5094 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 99):
Not much has been said about the new SJC-RNO service.

Hey D, did you discover yet that one of those r/t SJ-RENO also serves PDX? Flt 2185 op's PDX-SJC-RNO and turns to flt 2184 that does the reverse back up to PDX. I don't know if this is deliberate scheduling to increase PDX-RNO service or just an a/c scheduling convenience.

Also, flt 2183 out of RNO at 6:00am flys to SJC and then continues on to LAX. Again, same question as above but it does provide a direct RNO-LA flight. (There is no similar return service between LA and Reno.)

Finally, I thought I'd mention that 2 of the new SAN Q400 flights -- one to FAT and the STS flight -- continue as direct flights up to PDX as well. Same on the s/b service. So any of us nutty netters who like to take the more exotic routings can now fly a 4-hour Q400 flight from SAN to PDX, and back again! (And get to see FAT and/or STS, from the tarmac anyway, for no charge!)

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 99):
I think if or when QX starts MRY-SEA, it will solidify MRY's position with AS/QX. MRY has its own tourist attractions like Cannery Row, the Monterey Aquarium, Sea Otters, Santa Cruz, etc.

I wonder if the military would also make use of a nonstop flight between MRY and SEA, as I'm sure they will between MRY and SAN?

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-22 16:19:30 and read 5017 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 101):
I wonder if the military would also make use of a nonstop flight between MRY and SEA, as I'm sure they will between MRY and SAN?

It will be interesting to see how military connected traffic shows up on SAN-FAT. NAS Lemoore is only about a 45 min to 1 hour drive from FAT. NAS Lemoore hosts all of the west coast fighter/attack capability.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-22 17:44:14 and read 4922 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 102):
It will be interesting to see how military connected traffic shows up on SAN-FAT. NAS Lemoore is only about a 45 min to 1 hour drive from FAT. NAS Lemoore hosts all of the west coast fighter/attack capability.

That would make sense especially when you're talking about ship deployments and returns. Does it go for the same on the FAT-SEA route?

Alaska could do a better job at advertizing the new service. They need to use social networking to their advantage...That goes for all airlines advertising all new service.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: sxf24
Posted 2012-01-22 17:56:00 and read 4907 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 103):
Alaska could do a better job at advertizing the new service. They need to use social networking to their advantage...That goes for all airlines advertising all new service.

It is much to early to start aggressively advertising the flights. Perhaps 3-4 months before they start.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-22 18:05:35 and read 4894 times.

Quoting sxf24 (Reply 104):
It is much to early to start aggressively advertising the flights. Perhaps 3-4 months before they start.

That could be. My point is that they should use Social Networking to their advantage to announce new service just like they are using it to announce canceled flights, contests and sales.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-01-22 18:32:44 and read 4867 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 103):
That would make sense especially when you're talking about ship deployments and returns. Does it go for the same on the FAT-SEA route?

NAS Lemoore is also a large training base, with lots of transient personnel. Likely it will also end up the west coast home for the F-35s.

I don't know the military influence on the SEA runs.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 103):
Alaska could do a better job at advertizing the new service.

Already started in this market.

Today's Fresno newspaper had this 1/4 page ad about FAT-SAN for $59ow with double miles:
http://findnsave.fresnobee.com/Local...s/a-230672/Alaska-Airlines/5204685

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: redrooster3
Posted 2012-01-22 19:34:54 and read 4804 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 103):
Alaska could do a better job at advertizing the new service. They need to use social networking to their advantage...That goes for all airlines advertising all new service.

Im already seeing Advertisements on Youtube/FlightAware

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-22 19:46:19 and read 4792 times.

I've been doing internet searches and noticed quite a few articles on line.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: cschleic
Posted 2012-01-28 09:03:11 and read 4491 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 70):
I think you're right. There has been MRY-DEN as you indicate; UA did MRY-ORD for a very short time; Air California and PSA did MRY-SFO and to LAX and SNA. I don't recall anything from MRY non-stop to the north either.

Way back when, there was talk from UA of a MRY - PDX - SEA route, but it never happened. UA did operate non-stops MRY to DEN and ORD with 727's.

Air California initially had four routes from MRY... SFO, SMF, SNA and...I can't recall the 4th...maybe SAN? PSA always did just SFO and LAX.

The QX schedule is interesting.... SAN - MRY 6:55pm - 8:37pm. MRY - SAN 7:30am - 9:12am. Is this a plane that just would be sitting overnight in SAN instead? Seems timed for passengers going from MRY to SAN, not so much anyone going from SAN to MRY...or at least returning home to SAN at a time for leisure travelers? Or connections through SAN, not that AS has a lot.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-01-28 09:12:37 and read 4476 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 109):
Or connections through SAN, not that AS has a lot



The flights are timed to connect in SAN with the SJD and PVR flights, both of which leave around 10am. Return flights from PVR and SJD arrive in SAN in the late afternoon. I don't know if that was intentional or not, or if there's even much of market between MRY and Mexico.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-28 09:26:21 and read 4440 times.

I think it also connects with the SAN-HNL flight. I'm hoping SAN gets AS service to KOA and/or LIH in the near future. Hmmm...I wonder if AS would even consider SAN-TUS with Q400's.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: HiFlyerAS
Posted 2012-01-28 09:32:50 and read 4427 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 101):
So any of us nutty netters who like to take the more exotic routings can now fly a 4-hour Q400 flight from SAN to PDX, and back again!

Mmm...that's a lot of free micobrew or wine!  

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: cschleic
Posted 2012-01-28 09:34:29 and read 4430 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 110):
The flights are timed to connect in SAN with the SJD and PVR flights, both of which leave around 10am. Return flights from PVR and SJD arrive in SAN in the late afternoon. I don't know if that was intentional or not, or if there's even much of market between MRY and Mexico.

I wondered about that. But with large Hispanic populations around the Monterey/Salinas area, perhaps AS will get that traffic, too. Their Mexico flights in general serve more than just U.S. tourists going to sunny weather vacations.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-01-28 09:47:33 and read 4395 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 113):
But with large Hispanic populations around the Monterey/Salinas area, perhaps AS will get that traffic, too.



Yes indeed, especially with PVR. It provides a good gateway for the states of Jalisco, Nayarit, as well as coastal Colima and Michoacan. It's not surprising that quite a few Mexican nationals use PVR as a point of entry to those areas.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-28 10:42:23 and read 4343 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 101):
So any of us nutty netters who like to take the more exotic routings can now fly a 4-hour Q400 flight from SAN to PDX, and back again!

I have spent 4 1/2 hours on a Dash-8 flying from YEG to YVR on Air BC, with 4 stops in between, not as much fun as you'd think, I sure thought it would be fun when I booked it. I did get to see some airports I would have otherwise never seen except from pictures though.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-28 11:10:25 and read 4317 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 101):
So any of us nutty netters who like to take the more exotic routings can now fly a 4-hour Q400 flight from SAN to PDX, and back again! (And get to see FAT and/or STS, from the tarmac anyway, for no charge!)

A friend of mine is fly LAX-SEA via STS next week...that's 4 hours on a Q400. I have a few 2-hour+ flights on Q400's in the near future.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 113):
I wondered about that. But with large Hispanic populations around the Monterey/Salinas area, perhaps AS will get that traffic, too. Their Mexico flights in general serve more than just U.S. tourists going to sunny weather vacations.
Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 114):
Yes indeed, especially with PVR. It provides a good gateway for the states of Jalisco, Nayarit, as well as coastal Colima and Michoacan. It's not surprising that quite a few Mexican nationals use PVR as a point of entry to those areas.

If this is the traffic AS wants to get, then they should fly SAN-GDL.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: cschleic
Posted 2012-01-28 12:07:38 and read 4232 times.

Actually, you can go all the way from La Paz, Mexico to Edmonton on QX Q400's....via LAX, STS, PDX and SEA, or leave out the PDX stop. True, not the same plane in one day but, still, if you're into that much Q400 noise and want to ride a lot of logo planes, it can be done.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: redrooster3
Posted 2012-01-28 13:46:28 and read 4152 times.

I can see QX starting new routes down to Mexico from SAN using the Q400's, Possible routes: La Paz, Mazatlan. All little fishing villages and are great destinations.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Alasizon
Posted 2012-01-28 13:54:31 and read 4129 times.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 118):
All little fishing villages and are great destinations.

Great destination, yes. Great traffic and yield generator, not so much.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-28 14:04:53 and read 4104 times.

Quoting cschleic (Reply 109):
The QX schedule is interesting.... SAN - MRY 6:55pm - 8:37pm. MRY - SAN 7:30am - 9:12am. Is this a plane that just would be sitting overnight in SAN instead? Seems timed for passengers going from MRY to SAN, not so much anyone going from SAN to MRY...or at least returning home to SAN at a time for leisure travelers? Or connections through SAN, not that AS has a lot

In addition to the connecting options to be offered thru SAN (as I and others have mentioned in this thread), yes, the SAN-MRY-SAN r.t. is a natural extenion of 2 Q400's daily schedules, which are:
(a/c 1) MRY-SAN-STS-PDX-FAT-SAN-FAT and
(a/c 2) FAT-SAN-FAT-PDX-STS-SAN-MRY.

Hopefully, the flights and route between SAN and MRY will do well and maybe a 2nd r/t will be added eventually.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 111):
I wonder if AS would even consider SAN-TUS with Q400's.

I don't know about AS but I sure have! Actually, my thought has been something like SAN-YUM-TUS, or even SAN-IPL-TUS, or how about the old Bonanza route of SAN-IPL-YUM-TUS (subbing TUS for PHX.) I've thought of this scenario for years now, just waiting and hoping for QX to start some sort of op's here at Lindbergh.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 116):
If this is the traffic AS wants to get, then they should fly SAN-GDL

Well, if you insist, D! AS was not afraid to go up against AM on the SAN-SJD route for years, apparently chasing AM from the market entirely a year and a half ago; now, I hope, Chester might make a run at Volaris on SAN-GDL. I especially like the chances if and when Mexico, as a whole, again becomes a popular destination for Americans. (For now, I think Y4 can handle the VFR and Mexico-originating traffic in the market.)

I would suspect that if/when AS really gets this SAN-thing going, Mexico would certainly be a part of that.

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-28 14:15:17 and read 4101 times.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 118):
I can see QX starting new routes down to Mexico from SAN using the Q400's, Possible routes: La Paz, Mazatlan. All little fishing villages and are great destinations

Hey red', I wouldn't exactly call MZT a little fishing village, but a potential destination from SAN, definitely! I know there used to be a lot of San Diegans than owned confos/homes in MZT and we have had flights there in the past; I'm sure service in the market would do ok, maybe less than daily on a 737 would be best for starters.

But there are smaller places in Baja and the mainland that I'm sure would be doable with Q400s, just like from LAX, such as LTO and LAP, and others like HMO...

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-28 16:29:12 and read 3982 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 121):
Hey red', I wouldn't exactly call MZT a little fishing village, but a potential destination from SAN, definitely! I know there used to be a lot of San Diegans than owned confos/homes in MZT and we have had flights there in the past; I'm sure service in the market would do ok, maybe less than daily on a 737 would be best for starters.

I remember AeroCalifornia flew SAN-MZT in the early 1990s with their ancient DC-9s


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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-28 16:52:13 and read 3945 times.

One thing AS should do with respect to their SAN - Hawaii ops. They need to time their SAN-OGG flights to better connect with MRY and FAT.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-28 17:39:42 and read 3894 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 122):
I remember AeroCalifornia flew SAN-MZT in the early 1990s with their ancient DC-9s

Hey L, absolutely. I'd forgotten that MZT was one of their routes from Lindbergh. I'm also about 96% sure that AM flew it at one time, during their very on-and-off, stop-and-go tenure in San Diego; I don't have the details available. And most recently, F9 announced the route in fall of 2007 but failed to even start it!

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 123):
One thing AS should do with respect to their SAN - Hawaii ops. They need to time their SAN-OGG flights to better connect with MRY and FAT.

Certainly if SAN is to become any kind of serious connecting point (dare I say, "hub"?) I would expect both Hawaii flights to be re-scheduled earlier. (HNL will arrive at almost midnight this summer!) And I still remain convinced that we will have more service to the Islands before Christmas so hopefully that service will be "connectable" also.

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-28 17:58:06 and read 3849 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 124):
I'm also about 96% sure that AM flew it at one time,

AM probably flew it right after AeroCalifornia pulled out.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 124):
And most recently, F9 announced the route in fall of 2007 but failed to even start it!

Didn't F9 also try a SAN-CUN route around that time? But If I can recall, SAN-CUN didn't do so well.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-28 18:11:29 and read 3828 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 125):
Didn't F9 also try a SAN-CUN route around that time? But If I can recall, SAN-CUN didn't do so well

Yes, but they actually op'd the CUN-route (Saturday-only from Dec 2006 thru summer of 2007.) I don't think CUN had a chance (from SAN) and MZT needed more than 1x weekly service to be successful... Then F9 kind of gave up on California-Mexico.

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-29 10:28:00 and read 3595 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 120):
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 111):I wonder if AS would even consider SAN-TUS with Q400's.
I don't know about AS but I sure have! Actually, my thought has been something like SAN-YUM-TUS, or even SAN-IPL-TUS, or how about the old Bonanza route of SAN-IPL-YUM-TUS (subbing TUS for PHX.) I've thought of this scenario for years now, just waiting and hoping for QX to start some sort of op's here at Lindbergh.

Didn't AS/QX take a stab at AZ flights from LAX on Dash 8's, and didn't that not work so well for them? Granted it was from LAX and not SAN, but really wouldn't that be an even smaller market to try this from? I think it was FLG. I'm by no means an expert, but seems they would be doing more interesting flying from SAN, if they are really committed to this experiment.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: wedgetail737
Posted 2012-01-29 10:37:23 and read 3588 times.

Yes...QX tried 2X daily LAX-PRC-FLG. But SAN-TUS is a proven run that goes back decades. We are talking about two communities of similar size.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Alasizon
Posted 2012-01-29 10:41:22 and read 3578 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 127):
Didn't AS/QX take a stab at AZ flights from LAX on Dash 8's

It was a triangle routing to Prescott and FLG.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-29 10:53:19 and read 3570 times.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 128):
Yes...QX tried 2X daily LAX-PRC-FLG. But SAN-TUS is a proven run that goes back decades. We are talking about two communities of similar size.

I agree, SAN-TUS may very well work, AS has a facility in TUS, I was more referencing the IPL & YUM stops that were being discussed, does no other carrier fly SAN-TUS? if not, I think AS should toss a few Q400's in there and see what happens. But as Q400's are getting stretched thin, either OO needs to take over a few more routes currently operated by Q400's or AS needs to acquire a couple more frames before starting too much else. Does AS have any unfulfilled orders for Q400's?

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-29 11:07:20 and read 3556 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 130):
AS have any unfulfilled orders for Q400's?

In the conference call the other day, it was mentioned that they have 2 options for Q400s (+ 2 for some model 737) that they can still excercise... I certainly hope they do 'cause I could sure come up with some routes to use them on...  

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-29 11:12:13 and read 3550 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 131):
In the conference call the other day, it was mentioned that they have 2 options for Q400s (+ 2 for some model 737) that they can still excercise... I certainly hope they do 'cause I could sure come up with some routes to use them on...

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I bet you can, it must be exciting for you Bob, to see SAN going AS like this. I hope they do take the options on the Q400's I think they will need them sooner than later with the "SAN experiment"

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: Alasizon
Posted 2012-01-29 11:30:01 and read 3526 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 130):
But as Q400's are getting stretched thin

They aren't as thin as often suggested. There is a fair amount of slack at PDX sometimes (summer, not so much). But as I recall based on an analysis I did before the SAN service, the PDX schedule had 2.5 free Q400s and the SEA schedule had 1 free Q (if the schedule was tightened up). The SAN service basically took 1.5 of the free Q400s. (The FAT-SAN service took the equivalent of 1 while the MRY-SAN service accounted for .5 theoretically). By my calculations that leaves two free Q400s which I'm assuming could theoretically function as spares but currently are flying routes. Also though, there have been some cuts in the QX system (LWS lost a frequency, RDD and ACV are gone) so there may be a tad more slack than I let on. (As I did this analysis a little while ago before their most recent Q400 delivery)

Hopefully they will take the two options and open up some more routes with them.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-29 12:19:39 and read 3472 times.

Quoting Alasizon (Reply 133):
They aren't as thin as often suggested


Interesting. Thanks for that info Alas'. While just doing my SAN-QX 6/04 turn sked, I noticed some healthy ground time in PDX (between flts 2468 and 2553) although that turn might very well integrate with other Q400 service there.

No question that they had lots of available a/c time in the schedules and managed all this new June-stuff by simply tightening the belt. Wonderful use of resources but I do hope they will pick up some more frames and keep the growth happening!

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 132):
it must be exciting for you Bob, to see SAN going AS like this. I hope they do take the options on the Q400's I think they will need them sooner than later with the "SAN experiment"


Yes, but I certainly realize there are lots of other potential growth opportunities in the AAG system. I'd love to see everything poured into SAN but I know that will not be the case. Heck, we're still an "experiment", a test case at this point. We've got to prove, by filling unknown/brand new flights like SAN-STS, that SAN will support AS and QX service and make the carrier a surrogate "home town airline" for our community! And I think we can and will.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 130):
SAN-TUS may very well work, AS has a facility in TUS, I was more referencing the IPL & YUM stops that were being discussed, does no other carrier fly SAN-TUS? if not, I think AS should toss a few Q400's in there and see what happens


I'm glad you agree, '380. WN flies SAN-TUS 3-4 times a day (seasonally variations) and does well in the market. (A lot of 'zonies like to visit San Diego in the summer for some reason. ) But I like the thought of SAN-YUM-TUS. There are certainly Navy connections between SAN and YUM and the drives into YUM from either TUS or SAN, especially in the summer, are not a real joy even with a/c!

WARNING! Nostalgia time: (old man reminiscing)
I remember when I was a kid visiting Lindbergh Field in the early 60s and seeing those great Bonanza F-27s come barrelling into gate 4, killing only the port turboprop while the starboard one kept spinning, while pax de-planed and ran for the chainlink fence, and quickly inside the terminal building. Meanwhile, the departing pax waited at the fence to run out on the tarmac and climb the short steps (aka the back of the door!) and ran for their seats inside. That's because ground time at the "big" station of SAN was, I think, about 12 minutes max. (The smaller cities enroute saw maybe 8 minutes or less ground time.) If I was stupid enough to stand there to watch the plane head for runway 27, I'd get a face full of prop-wash and dirt as the Fairchild turned and headed out...

Those Bonanza milk-runs started at LAX, stopped in SNA, SAN, IPL, YUM and ended in PHX and I don't believe that starboard engine stopped running until the plane was in LA or PHX! Ah, the good ol' days!

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Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-01-29 14:32:27 and read 3352 times.

As far as IPL is concerned, I remember (not too long ago), when SkyWest (UAX) had an LAX-SAN-IPL flight.
I'm not sure if they even fly to IPL anymore, but it would be interesting to have desert hops from SAN such
as everyone mentioned SAN-IPL-YUM.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 134):
WARNING! Nostalgia time: (old man reminiscing)
I remember when I was a kid visiting Lindbergh Field in the early 60s and seeing those great Bonanza F-27s come barrelling into gate 4, killing only the port turboprop while the starboard one kept spinning, while pax de-planed and ran for the chainlink fence, and quickly inside the terminal building. Meanwhile, the departing pax waited at the fence to run out on the tarmac and climb the short steps (aka the back of the door!) and ran for their seats inside. That's because ground time at the "big" station of SAN was, I think, about 12 minutes max. (The smaller cities enroute saw maybe 8 minutes or less ground time.) If I was stupid enough to stand there to watch the plane head for runway 27, I'd get a face full of prop-wash and dirt as the Fairchild turned and headed out...

Wow!! That's really going back! (stone age?  ), just kidding! 'B"! Growing up here myself in the 70's I remember
T-1 being the only terminal there! and just about everything went through LAX! PSA owned SAN at the time!

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-01-29 14:44:51 and read 3336 times.

Yup, PSA was HQ'd in SAN, I forgot that. As AS is as close as I'll get to a hometown airline here in PDX, I'm always worried when I see AS ramping up another station, and wonder when PDX will see more increases as to destinations and frequencies. IE.... PDX-LIH would be perfect. I don't think AS will pass up any good opportunity from here.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-01-29 15:54:31 and read 3282 times.

Quoting ASFlyer (Thread starter):
To support the new Santa Rosa-San Diego route, Alaska will discontinue service between Santa Rosa and Las Vegas on June 3.

Yes, this shocks me a little bit too. Maybe OO can pick it up doing at-risk.

Topic: RE: Alaska Announces New Service Via Horizon Air
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-01-30 04:21:17 and read 3102 times.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 137):
Yes, this shocks me a little bit too. Maybe OO can pick it up doing at-risk.

If you read Alasizon's reply 133, he talks about slack still in the Q400 schedules. Therefore, if STS-LAS is truly profitable for AS, I would expect them to re-start it one way or the other as soon as possible. Maybe because of the timing of the new flights at SAN and SJC, they needed to free up that STS-LAS-STS a/c from its midday (~noon thru 4:30pm) turn temporarily..

Incidentally, as I was looking at random sked's on the STS-LAS route, I see that it generally doesn't seem to be flying daily now thru the end of May; I don't know what it's been doing since the service began. (Can anyone tell us what the frequency of flights on the route started out as?) In fact, for some periods (such as in March) the r/t is only flying 4 or 5 days a week. Considering that Vegas is often a low-yield market, and AS is not even flying there daily from Santa Rosa, maybe it isn't all that successful a market...

Perhaps AS is thinking and hoping that this untried market between STS and SAN will be higher yielding and a better use of their resources. (Otherwise, I can't really see AS cancelling a profitable route just to try something totally new that's never been flown before by anyone.) We are all familiar with AS quick trigger finger when it comes to routes that don't perform they way they want (need?) them to.

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