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Topic: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-02-25 14:16:50 and read 14846 times.

Greetings to all A.net patrons!!!

Welcome to the 95th instalment of the Caribbean Aviation Thread. The island to which this thread is dedicated is the hub for a tiny, but efficient airline known as Tiara Air. Therefore, that makes the fun and sun island no other than ARUBA!




Aruba is a 33 km-long island of the Lesser Antilles in the southern Caribbean Sea, located 27 km north of the coast of Venezuela and approximately 130 km east of the Guajira Peninsula (Colombia). Together with Bonaire and Curaçao, it forms a group referred to as the ABC islands of the Leeward Antilles, the southern island chain of the Lesser Antilles.

Aruba enjoys one of the highest standards of living in the Caribbean region including a low unemployment rate. About three quarters of the Aruban gross national product is earned through tourism or related activities. Most tourists are from Venezuela and the United States. Unlike much of the Caribbean region, Aruba has a dry climate and an arid, cactus-strewn landscape. This climate has helped tourism as visitors to the island can reliably expect warm, sunny weather.



Palm Beach Aruba!

HISTORY

Aruba's path to the present day is marked by the mystery of ochre-colored rock drawings left behind by island shamans, the enterprising spirit of European adventurers and settlers and the diverse experiences and traditions brought by the many nationalities that have since sought out the island as either a new home or temporary resting place. The look of the people, the languages they speak and the innate hospitality that manifests itself in the Aruban psyche is the result of a multi-cultural mix that reflects a rich past.

The Caquetio Indians of the Arawak tribe from the South American mainland were Aruba's first inhabitants. During the Pre-ceramic Period of habitation (2500 BC – 1000 AD), they were fishers-hunters-gatherers who depended on the sea for survival and used tools of roughly flaked stones and shell. They lived in small family groups and fished along Aruba’s coast at locations now named Malmok and Palm Beach.

When Spanish explorer Alonso de Ojeda discovered Aruba in 1499 and claimed it for the Spanish throne, he named it la isla de los gigantes (Spanish: the island of giants), the tall Indians descended from Aruba’s very first settlers. After a decade, Aruba’s moniker was changed to isla inutíl, a useless island, as no gold or treasures were found.

Aruba’s strategic location was recognized by the Dutch who initially occupied the island in 1636 to protect their salt supply from the mainland and establish a naval base in the Caribbean during their 80-year war with Spain. Further economic development continued through the Dutch West India Company located on the neighboring island of Curaçao. Aruba remained in Dutch hands, except for a brief hiatus under English rule from 1805-1816, during the Napoleonic Wars.

(Courtesy Aruba's Official Tourism website)



QUICK ISLAND FACTS

Capital: Oranjestad
Airport: Queen Beatrix International Airport (AUA)
Population: 104-106,000
Majot Industries: Tourism, Petroleum, Mining



Tiara Air's newly leased B733 (P4-TIC) arrives in AUA. Second B733 expected to arrive in May. Airline plans to operate routes into Colombia, Venezuela and South Florida with their jet equipment.

******NEWS FEED******

St. Lucia and Dominica to invest in LI
CUR and SXM downgraded to Category 2 by FAA.
CAL drops its 4x weekly KIN-MIA-KIN flight
Air Caraibes to begin SDQ-ORY service with A333 on March 25
Air Panama looking at 2x weekly service PTY-GCM on F70/100
KX will begin service to both PTY and DFW
Sunquest to operate 2x weekly YHZ-NAS with 217-seat B752
CAL leases AtlasAir B744 to operate during Carnival season
LI returns 3 aircraft (2 DHC8-100s, 1 DHC8-300) as part of "refleeting process"
CAL inaugurates daily POS-SLU service with DHC8
CAL to get first ex LAN B763 in April
Dispute between Grenada and Taiwan may result in airport closure
Redjet accuses CAL of deceptive advertising
Tiara Air takes delivery of first B733
Redjet to begin 2x weekly service to SXM.
DAE announces on FB page an array of new routes planned for 2012

Happy Posting!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2012-02-25 14:53:03 and read 14825 times.

Unusual maneuvers at SXM:

The MD-82 looks positioned beyond the threshold of the runway:






The Twin Otter is even showing the door opened before takeoff:


Regards.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-02-25 14:58:18 and read 14807 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):
The MD-82 looks positioned beyond the threshold of the runway:

they want to give the beachgoers and extra special blast

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-02-25 16:57:30 and read 14735 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
Unlike much of the Caribbean region, Aruba has a dry climate and an arid, cactus-strewn landscape. This climate has helped tourism as visitors to the island can reliably expect warm, sunny weather.

And if tourist happen to be on the island when it rains, don't complain with the locals, as they probably will have quite an smile on their face. Every drop of water that pours down on Aruba is a well received blessing.

Quote:
Air Panama looking at 2x weekly service PTY-GCM on F70/100

Air Panama has 2 F70, no F100.

Quote:
KX will begin service to both PTY and DFW

When and why KX left IAH? Now it seems they want to try their luck with DFW. Is AA flying DFW-GCM?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-02-25 19:10:06 and read 14639 times.

Someone asked if the GOL flight to BGI is still operating it is a Saturday only flight operated with the 737

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-02-25 19:18:47 and read 14627 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
ARUBA!

LOVE IT!

Why couldn't you have provided a pic of the Marriott Surf Club?!! lol My wife and I were there for our honeymoon. Flew AA on PHL-MIA-AUA.

What is Tiara's long term plan? Are there any other plans for airlines to expand to other regions in the US at any time besides Florida? I remember reading in a thread about airport "wish lists" and my hometown (PIT) was high on the wish list for AUA.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: divemaster08
Posted 2012-02-25 19:37:03 and read 14607 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
When and why KX left IAH? Now it seems they want to try their luck with DFW. Is AA flying DFW-GCM?

KX use to fly IAH, then when CO came into the route, they dropped it for CO and codeshared for a bit, and then KX dropped the codeshare (which seems to be the norm now for KX, I dont think they have really any Codeshares...... shame!)

with the recent drop of frequency on the IAH route by CO (last year it was nearly daily, now seems to be weekends only now) I would think that they dont want to restart the route up to steal some PAX from CO, but rather try another Texas city which again has a big US airline at!
I know AA dont like to try new routes unless they are pretty confident they will succeed, but this to me is a route that AA should do to GCM. They have the opportunity for connecting PAX from the Central/West and even Canada for GCM. KX is only interested in O+D it seems which to me is a fail. KX has the pickings atm with AA in the state its in tho!

The route to Panama again will be a good addition, but I want to see it from CM! KX will have again the opportunity to make money on this route, but they need to CODESHARE! Help out others travelling onwards and not just the O+D traffic!
Now if Air Panama fly it on the F70, its a great little aircraft to start the operation on! Not too big and still a jet! Be nice to see more variety here in GCM!


Anyone got any shots of the B744 in POS for carnival? Wish i could of been there this year but was on training in MIA. Maybe 2013 I hit up T&T for Carnival!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: SJOtoLIR
Posted 2012-02-25 19:46:28 and read 14603 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
Air Panama looking at 2x weekly service PTY-GCM on F70


With that being said, it seems that the [Panama City - Grand Cayman] segment wouldn't be operated by CM mainline.
Related to Panama City, perhaps that flight would leave from PAC instead.




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Quoting baje427 (Reply 4):
Someone asked if the GOL flight to BGI is still operating it is a Saturday only flight operated with the 737


I did the question in the old thread.
So the 763 is no longer in service into [GRU-BGI].

Regards.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-02-25 20:43:37 and read 14562 times.

Thanks BW424 for the new forum once again.

Quoting divemaster08 (Reply 6):
Anyone got any shots of the B744 in POS for carnival? Wish i could of been there this year but was on training in MIA. Maybe 2013 I hit up T&T for Carnival!
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/426991_10150589391230233_551385232_9430889_1043677084_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/420432_10150586004985233_551385232_9417846_2061428050_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/425782_10150586003445233_551385232_9417845_136856843_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/421807_2701830341530_1129840145_31939879_1376518003_n.jpghttp://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/428126_10150794084901038_723866037_12422622_2097815677_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/397137_10150794071101038_723866037_12422605_666612013_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/419120_2635413681155_1129840145_31917034_1158997614_n.jpg

The two 767 destine for CAL
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/403369_2641251467096_1129840145_31919355_834442856_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/422210_2641154544673_1129840145_31919276_606511496_n.jpg

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-02-25 22:17:45 and read 14499 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
Air Panama has 2 F70, no F100.

Appreciate the correction....if only I could make the correction in the thread header.....

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 1):

Well, those "unusual" maneuvers referred to are quickly becoming or already are usual occurrences.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
LOVE IT!

Why couldn't you have provided a pic of the Marriott Surf Club?!! lol My wife and I were there for our honeymoon. Flew AA on PHL-MIA-AUA.

Well to be honest........time constraints prevented me from providing more info on the island. I normally include a couple more shots and info in thread headers. Sorry about that.

BTW, Happy 6th A.net birthday!

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
What is Tiara's long term plan? Are there any other plans for airlines to expand to other regions in the US at any time besides Florida? I remember reading in a thread about airport "wish lists" and my hometown (PIT) was high on the wish list for AUA.

Well, from what i know, they're looking further up the east coast in the JFK/BOS area. But that will most likely be in the 4-6yrs from now if things are still rosy with them.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-02-26 04:53:13 and read 14376 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
When and why KX left IAH? Now it seems they want to try their luck with DFW. Is AA flying DFW-GCM?

KXs has a policy (As a gov't entity) of starting routes that the gov't would like to see other airlines pick up, then hand them over to other carriers once the route is established. Think of it as the gov'ts version of a rev guarantee or a way to prove to the AA, CO, CMs of the world that the route can work.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-02-26 05:07:50 and read 14366 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
Topic Air of Belize to start BZE-LCE 2x weekly starting March 4
Isn't Tropic Air into BZE-SAP 3x weekly which is due to start on March 12th?


They had to rejuggle the startup sequence and will actually start BZE-SAP with RTB and LCE to follow by the end of the year.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: windian425
Posted 2012-02-26 05:16:35 and read 14362 times.

Can anyone confirm that these are the 767's for CAL? One looks like its GE powered and the other is PW powered. It would be strange for CAL to acquire two 767's with different engine choices.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: silentbob
Posted 2012-02-26 12:09:26 and read 13417 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
And if tourist happen to be on the island when it rains, don't complain with the locals, as they probably will have quite an smile on their face. Every drop of water that pours down on Aruba is a well received blessing.

Last winter was one of the wettest in a long time. Water was ankle deep in front of the Renaissance and in front of the hotels at Palm Beach.

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 5):
What is Tiara's long term plan? Are there any other plans for airlines to expand to other regions in the US at any time besides Florida? I remember reading in a thread about airport "wish lists" and my hometown (PIT) was high on the wish list for AUA.

I would think that NY, NJ and New England have to be high on the list. You hear a lot of those accents on the beaches and in the restaurants.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-02-26 14:23:12 and read 12919 times.

Quoting silentbob (Reply 13):
What is Tiara's long term plan? Are there any other plans for airlines to expand to other regions in the US at any time besides Florida? I remember reading in a thread about airport "wish lists" and my hometown (PIT) was high on the wish list for AUA.

I know the Venezuela-ABC's market is saturated, so I hope they have south american on their plans! ;D

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: windian425
Posted 2012-02-26 15:23:52 and read 12891 times.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 7):
So the 763 is no longer in service into [GRU-BGI].

Correct, the 767 has been gone for almost a year. 738's all the way since April 2011.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-02-26 16:22:57 and read 12861 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 12):
Can anyone confirm that these are the 767's for CAL? One looks like its GE powered and the other is PW powered. It would be strange for CAL to acquire two 767's with different engine choices.

It was mentioned internally, not sure if an engine change will take place for both to be GE.

"A Condor Boeing 767-300, registration D-ABUE performing flight DE-5123 from Bridgetown (Barbados) to Frankfurt/Main (Germany), was enroute about 45 minutes into the flight when the crew descended the aircraft and returned to Bridgetown for a safe landing."
http://avherald.com/h?article=44b7784b&opt=0

Caribbean tourism up slightly in '11 despite economic crisis
"The Caribbean Tourism Organization says 23.8 million tourists visited the region in 2011, a 3.3 per cent increase from 2010. Statistician Sean Smith said the number of arrivals rose every month except May and October"
http://news.yahoo.com/report-caribbe...ite-economic-crisis-180122874.html

Grenadian PM Criticizes Problems at Intl Airport
St. Georges, Feb 20 (Prensa Latina) The financial problems currently threatening the closure of the Maurice Bishop international airport in this capital could have been avoided, according to Grenadian Prime Minister Tillman Thomas.
http://www.plenglish.com/index.php?o...ntent&task=view&id=479896&Itemid=1

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: silentbob
Posted 2012-02-26 17:00:50 and read 12811 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 14):
I know the Venezuela-ABC's market is saturated, so I hope they have south american on their plans! ;D

From what I understand the economy down where you are is doing well. If so, I would expect some flights to offset the prime seasons for North American tourism.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: CO777DAL
Posted 2012-02-26 18:43:06 and read 12763 times.

Here are some more aviation videos from my last trip to Trinidad and Tobago

TAB HD Caribbean Airlines ATR-72-600 Landing Crown Point Tobago Avions de Transport Régional
http://youtu.be/bteP8-IJZLQ?hd=1


HD POS Continental & Copa Airlines Operations at Piarco International Airport Port of Spain Trinidad
http://youtu.be/aGwoIPyev_8?hd=1


POS HD Caribbean Airlines ATR-72-600 Landing Port of Spain Trinidad Avions de Transport
http://youtu.be/nPBxk2iemW8?hd=1


HD Inside 737-700 Copa Airlines First Class Clase Ejecutiva & Coach Economy Cabin Boeing Port of Spain
http://youtu.be/CKW8jks4J_4?hd=1


HD POS Piarco International Airport Port of Spain Trindidad Carvinal Decrations 2012 & Operations
http://youtu.be/eP2HKp8OSjM?hd=1


TAB HD Caribbean Airlines ATR-72-600 Take-Off Crown Point Tobago Avions de Transport Régional
http://youtu.be/Qdh7T8kX29c?hd=1

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-02-26 19:45:36 and read 12728 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 12):
Can anyone confirm that these are the 767's for CAL? One looks like its GE powered and the other is PW powered. It would be strange for CAL to acquire two 767's with different engine choices.

Yes, it has been somewhat confirmed. As for the engine choices, I really am not privy to any details as to why it turned out that way. Also seems sort of inefficient to me to have such a small sub-fleet with two different engine installations.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-02-26 20:41:16 and read 12704 times.

Quoting CO777DAL (Reply 18):
HD POS Continental & Copa Airlines Operations at Piarco International Airport Port of Spain Trinidad

CM's check-in and boarding area always look that empty?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-02-26 20:55:56 and read 12690 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):
CM's check-in and boarding area always look that empty?

Nope. Their flights are always full or near full as they've captured a substantial amount of the market going to South America. They come in the early afternoon and leave in the late afternoon.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-02-26 21:53:00 and read 12657 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):

When I flew POS-PTY with CM the flight was 70% full.  
Quoting silentbob (Reply 17):
From what I understand the economy down where you are is doing well. If so, I would expect some flights to offset the prime seasons for North American tourism.

Yes but there's not too much options! and fair prices either!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-02-26 21:53:48 and read 12664 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 21):
Their flights are always full or near full as they've captured a substantial amount of the market going to South America.

Sure is the airline of choice for POS-Mexico and POS-HAV now too.
How is it with POS-LAX traffic?
Sure it's small numbers but POS-LAX via PTY may be more convenient/comfortable than via MIA or IAH.
Sadly PTY-LAS-PTY wont' make immediate connections to/from POS at PTY.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: CO777DAL
Posted 2012-02-26 23:26:35 and read 12633 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 20):
CM's check-in and boarding area always look that empty?

That was a fairly empty flight. There was only 4 of us in all of First Class. There was one person in 1A and 1B and 1F. I was in 2A and all other seats empty. Coach wasn't full either. The thing I like was I guess Copa served meal order by status, because the F/A asked me before anyone in row 1. The he went to the guy in 1F and the couple in 1A and B.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: vfw614
Posted 2012-02-27 04:36:05 and read 12654 times.

Passing through ANU on a late afternoon Friday recently, I was wondering if the chaos I experienced is the norm?

The terminal airside was very very crowded, with no boards displaying any useful information and the public announcments being not understandable at all. The result was lots of passengers were clustered around a poor security guy who was controlling access from the central waiting area to the gates and had to answer questions like "has boarding for flight XY1123 started yet" at 10 second intervals. I noticed quite a few passengers who were really stressed out/worried and the place looked to me very un-organized, quite in contrast to other "transit hubs" in the Caribbean through which I transited (e.g. POS, CUR, BGI and SXM). I can easily imagine that passengers who have gone through this once or twice will try to avoid travelling through ANU if they there is an alternative....

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-27 06:39:44 and read 12585 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):

It pretty much is the norm, if I had the choice to transit through anywhere else I would, but unfortunately for me to get back to MNI, I would have no other choice but to go to ANU since its pretty much the only destination scheduled from MNI, to get anywhere else would require a charter

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: vfw614
Posted 2012-02-27 07:44:54 and read 12633 times.

Interesting. While some of the problems are obviously related to the inadequate terminal itself, others could be rectified with little cost, e.g. installation of some display boards or of better loudspeakers.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-27 09:42:00 and read 12564 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 27):
e.g. installation of some display boards or of better loudspeakers.

true, I really think that would help alot, in terms of the terminal, I remember seeing some plans for a new terminal at ANU to replace the current one, not sure if those plans are still in place, im sure others here would have more info regarding that.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-02-27 10:25:52 and read 12563 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):

How can ANU be so bad when it is a major hub for LIAT which might have as many as 5 planes leaving at the same time?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: wadadli
Posted 2012-02-27 11:22:51 and read 12503 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):
Passing through ANU on a late afternoon Friday recently, I was wondering if the chaos I experienced is the norm?

The terminal airside was very very crowded, with no boards displaying any useful information and the public announcments being not understandable at all. The result was lots of passengers were clustered around a poor security guy who was controlling access from the central waiting area to the gates and had to answer questions like "has boarding for flight XY1123 started yet" at 10 second intervals. I noticed quite a few passengers who were really stressed out/worried and the place looked to me very un-organized, quite in contrast to other "transit hubs" in the Caribbean through which I transited (e.g. POS, CUR, BGI and SXM). I can easily imagine that passengers who have gone through this once or twice will try to avoid travelling through ANU if they there is an alternative....

Yes it is very confusing now since they moved the boarding "gates" to a different area.. It was never a problem before but now there is a large gift store where the boarding gates were before and a narrow passageway leading around to where the new boarding gates. Even though there are some signs pointing to the departure gate area, it is impossible to see around the corner where the gates are actually located so persons are often confused as to whether their flights are boarding or not. Up to last week when I travelled, i noticed some confused passengers. The announcements are pretty loud and clear though. It only gets more chaotic on busy days when up to 7 or 8 big jets are boarding around the same time plus liat and other regional prop flights. A pet peve for me is the fact that the airport is not equipped with depature/arrival monitors!! I noted that even little viggie airport (SLU) had arrival/depature monitors! This would greatly help this issue but I gather that won't be happening until the new terminal is completed.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 28):
true, I really think that would help alot, in terms of the terminal, I remember seeing some plans for a new terminal at ANU to replace the current one, not sure if those plans are still in place, im sure others here would have more info regarding that.

It broke ground several months back and is now under construction. Expected to be completed in 2014....The drawings look really impressive complete with boarding bridges and the latest technologies.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-27 11:31:58 and read 12498 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 30):

It broke ground several months back and is now under construction. Expected to be completed in 2014....The drawings look really impressive complete with boarding bridges and the latest technologies.

Well thats good news, the current terminal is pretty dated in my opinion, and yes the artist impressions were impressive from what I remember seeing

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: steeler83
Posted 2012-02-27 13:59:12 and read 12434 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 9):
Well to be honest........time constraints prevented me from providing more info on the island. I normally include a couple more shots and info in thread headers. Sorry about that.

Hahaha! It's all good.  
Quoting silentbob (Reply 13):
I would think that NY, NJ and New England have to be high on the list. You hear a lot of those accents on the beaches and in the restaurants.

Oh don't I know that! I was trying to pick up our car rental down there and some pompous jerk (I guess from New York) but right in front of me to ask a dumb question to the girl working at the counter. I said, "geez, what an asshole! Must be from New York." There was a couple next to me and they started laughing at that comment. They happened to be from Boston!   (BTW, there are plenty of NY'ers who are nice and friendly; guys like him just give you all a bad name! Everyy city has their fair share of 'em!)

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-02-27 14:17:21 and read 12429 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 25):

When I was there I was arriving from SKB, the flight took 15 minutes! and to clear the immigration it took me more than 1 HOUR! cause there was a VS flight arriving from london with the fatties and families! OMG, I wanted the death!
On my way out I could listen to the LIAT lady but many pax were confused and went to board the wrong flight and were told to go back, after having their carry on inspected they refused and then the nice lady "go back to the waiting room or I'll have you removed"  GOD, I wonder if she was in brazil, she'd be punched in 1.... 2....  

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW985
Posted 2012-02-28 00:25:27 and read 12307 times.

http://www.trinidadexpress.com/busin..._to_Grenada_airport-140253673.html

It's interesting how Trinidadian newspapers love to report about every tiniest irregularity at Liat or CAL, but have failed to report how BA have cancelled their Tobago flight last Saturday and left most passengers stranded for 4 days...

BW985

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-02-28 01:18:12 and read 12292 times.

Quoting BW985 (Reply 34):

It's interesting how Trinidadian newspapers love to report about every tiniest irregularity at Liat or CAL, but have failed to report how BA have cancelled their Tobago flight last Saturday and left most passengers stranded for 4 days...

Yes that BA flight got cancelled on Saturday, I saw it on the popular website, The BA Source (www.thebasource.com). It appears that this was a technical issue as the next day a LGW - MCO service, which would also use the 777-200, was cancelled too.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BWIA 772
Posted 2012-02-28 18:04:44 and read 12102 times.

I was thinking it would be awesome if BW did a special livery or a sticker to celebrate Jamaica and The Republic of Trinidad and Tobago reaching 50 years as independent states. This could be done with the introduction of the two 767 this summer, one dedicated to POS other to KIN.

While I would love a complete special livery I think a simple sticker would do. Perhaps the sticker could incorporate the national flower of each state. Personally I would love to a see a livery inspired by the Trinidad and Tobago flag... yes a red plane LOL but practically I think the sticker would be more practical and less costly. As for the Jamaica sticker I am not to sure I am not a huge fan of their national colors but I am pretty sure a stunning livery of the green gold and black could be easily accomplished.


Regards
BWIA 772

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: windian425
Posted 2012-02-29 03:37:24 and read 11965 times.

REDjet has finally launched its SXM service... Flights operate non-stop from BGI every Tuesday and Saturday starting 19th May, 2012. Flights will allow for a fully day in SXM, arriving at 8:15AM and departing back to BGI at 8:15PM.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-29 04:57:00 and read 11878 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 37):
REDjet has finally launched its SXM service... Flights operate non-stop from BGI every Tuesday and Saturday starting 19th May, 2012. Flights will allow for a fully day in SXM, arriving at 8:15AM and departing back to BGI at 8:15PM.

Is this right? arrive at 8:15 AM and leave at 8:15PM? would this be with more than 1 flight on the days noted? If not, thats highly inefficient if you ask me, especially for a LCC

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-02-29 04:57:16 and read 11889 times.

Quoting BW424 (Thread starter):
CUR and SXM downgraded to Category 2 by FAA.

I don't understand why this is brought up again as it was mentioned in the previous thead already!!! I also mentioned the two additional loading bridges that have arrived in CUR to be installed, why is this not mentioned? Copa Airlines will also start times weekly flights to CUR, this was mentioned in the previous thread as well. Why not mention this now? Why do the negative things always seem to stick to people's mind? Is it more exciting news to read?

DAE first ATR42 has been in CUR already, no clear date as to when it will be put into service.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-02-29 05:14:24 and read 11868 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 38):

I think the aircraft continues on to KIN and then returns to SXM

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-02-29 05:25:32 and read 11861 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 37):

Is there any word on the other routes RD will start since Ian Burns mentioned that the route cuts made were in an effort to launch new routes.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-29 05:27:25 and read 11865 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 40):
I think the aircraft continues on to KIN and then returns to SXM

Well, their route map doesn't show this continuation to KIN, but I guess it will be added later if at all

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-02-29 05:28:57 and read 11860 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 38):
Is this right? arrive at 8:15 AM and leave at 8:15PM? would this be with more than 1 flight on the days noted? If not, thats highly inefficient if you ask me, especially for a LCC
Quoting baje427 (Reply 40):
I think the aircraft continues on to KIN and then returns to SXM

With that amount of time, the aircraft could fly SXM-KIN-NAS or SXM-KIN-HAV (!) or SXM-KIN-BZE (!!) and back.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-29 08:30:55 and read 11780 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 43):
With that amount of time, the aircraft could fly SXM-KIN-NAS or SXM-KIN-HAV (!) or SXM-KIN-BZE (!!) and back.

Exactly, and they dont show any continuation on their route map the last time I checked. If this is the case, then they should at least put it on the routemap

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-02-29 10:06:15 and read 11756 times.

I see BW610 stopped in ANU today. Strong headwinds to YYZ?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20120229/1519Z/TAPA/CYYZ

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-02-29 12:48:35 and read 11675 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
Why do the negative things always seem to stick to people's mind? Is it more exciting news to read?

We've being talking about that too.... I posted on last thread the route map of DAE with their new routes for 2012!
Finally MAO-CUR direct! 
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 38):
Is this right? arrive at 8:15 AM and leave at 8:15PM? would this be with more than 1 flight on the days noted? If not, thats highly inefficient if you ask me, especially for a LCC

Very very strange, or we are antecipating ourselves or Ian really doesn't know what' he's doin' on the airline industry...

Rumors (even coming from the crew) here in MAO are getin' stronger that Trip airlines T3 a big regional carrier in Brazil until now is doing charters to AUA but the service is soon to be scheduled!  

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-02-29 13:17:11 and read 11657 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 46):
Very very strange, or we are antecipating ourselves or Ian really doesn't know what' he's doin' on the airline industry...

Well, the only thing I could give them credit for is advertising a full day in SXM for shopping, etc, other than that, it would be hard to believe that they would let an aircraft sit in SXM for 12 hours, also from their own press release it doesnt mention any continuation of the flight from SXM:

http://www.flyredjet.com/en/news/redjet-sets-sights-on-st-maarten

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: windian425
Posted 2012-02-29 13:29:19 and read 11648 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 40):
I think the aircraft continues on to KIN and then returns to SXM

This is no longer under consideration, at least for the time being.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-02-29 15:45:16 and read 11590 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 48):

Redjet will keep a plane unused all day and then blame CAL/LIAT when their lossses mount. They didnt think thru their marketing and have themselve sonly to blame.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-02-29 19:58:22 and read 11503 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 49):
Quoting windian425 (Reply 48):

Redjet will keep a plane unused all day and then blame CAL/LIAT when their lossses mount. They didnt think thru their marketing and have themselve sonly to blame.

Well what if they did a BGI-SXM-KIN-BGI-POS/GEO-BGI-KIN-SXM-BGI with the aircraft I doubt it would leave much time for the aircraft to sit around doing nothing.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-01 12:47:14 and read 11333 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 45):
I see BW610 stopped in ANU today. Strong headwinds to YYZ?

Very interesting. I'd love to know why they stopped.

Quoting A388 (Reply 39):
Copa Airlines will also start times weekly flights to CUR, this was mentioned in the previous thread as well. Why not mention this now? Why do the negative things always seem to stick to people's mind? Is it more exciting news to read?

No offense was intended. Please, it's not that serious. All that was done was a newsfeed report on all the official press releases posted in the thread.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 37):
Flights will allow for a fully day in SXM, arriving at 8:15AM and departing back to BGI at 8:15PM.

Very very inefficient use of the aircraft if it intends on staying in SXM the entire 12hrs. Maybe they plan on adding another route outbound and inbound to SXM between BGI flights?


9Y-TTC and 9Y-TTD are under flight trials while 9Y-TTE is being wired.

Here's TTE in TLS

http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/718078L.html

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BWIA 772
Posted 2012-03-01 16:40:43 and read 11299 times.

BW released its London Launch poster... very nice IMHO



Regards
BWIA 772

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-01 19:14:16 and read 11196 times.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 52):

Nice ad they could have made the hummingbird a bit more realistic on another note can someone confirm that indeed the RD aircraft will sit in SXM for the twelve hours.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-02 16:24:08 and read 10996 times.

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 52):

I was wondering when they were going to start promoting their LGW route. After all it will soon be April and they need to build up critical mass if they want their late Spring flights to POS and summer service to KIN to function. Also if they plan service via another E/Carib island ought they not announce that now to begin to build up patronage....given that CAL is really off the radar for Bajans, Lucians and others, unless one is going to POS, GEO or KIN?

[Edited 2012-03-02 16:25:08]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: PITrules
Posted 2012-03-03 02:47:54 and read 10867 times.

Here's some pics of the ongoing Alitalia charters to SXM, taken Sun Feb 26.

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_4304.jpg
http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu162/JDawgphoto/IMG_4307.jpg

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-03 20:30:23 and read 10692 times.

Quoting PITrules (Reply 55):

I was wondering what Alitalia was doing in SXM. Must be great for the local enthusiasts since they don't get scheduled 777 service.

Appreciate the shots!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-03-03 20:34:48 and read 10705 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 56):
Quoting PITrules (Reply 55):

I was wondering what Alitalia was doing in SXM. Must be great for the local enthusiasts since they don't get scheduled 777 service.

Appreciate the shots!

Come on CAL time to step to the 777 LOL.

Alitalia could have been bringing some pax to meet a cruise also

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: jmbweeboy
Posted 2012-03-04 05:59:45 and read 10588 times.

So little is ever mentioned here re: air travel to/from Port Au Prince Haiti but for once there is big news! Delta will commence a once weekly (Saturdays) non-stop with A320 from Atlanta to Port Au Prince on May 5th. This will be in addition to their ongoing JFK service.

Now we all know in this forum that Delta has a "come and go" reputation with destinations in the Caribbean served from Atlanta (e.g. Tobago). That said, hopefully this new service will sell well as it represents a whole new king of gateway Haiti has never enjoyed before. With Atlanta's tremendous feed from the Midwest and West coast of the USA, Haitian diaspora all over the U.S. have a new alternative to the usual U.S. gateways to Haiti of Miami, Fort Lauderdale, New York JFK. Continental is also starting twice weekly 737-800 service from Newark.on May 1.

Hopefully we will also see soon some JM ATR service from Kingston in the not too distant future.

Things are looking up for air travel to Haiti!

Jmbweeboy

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-04 11:33:06 and read 10483 times.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 58):
Hopefully we will also see soon some JM ATR service from Kingston in the not too distant future.

Well flights to/from PAP are feeded by the diaspora and military personnel... I also hope in the future more flights will be added to PAP and Cap Haitien! but I'm sure Haiti still needs to recover A LOT to attract more O/D.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-04 18:07:36 and read 10361 times.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 58):
Continental is also starting twice weekly 737-800 service from Newark.on May 1.

You mean United?  

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-05 04:12:17 and read 10240 times.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 58):
So little is ever mentioned here re: air travel to/from Port Au Prince Haiti but for once there is big news! Delta will commence a once weekly (Saturdays) non-stop with A320 from Atlanta to Port Au Prince on May 5th.

Strange that they will use the A320 and not the 737? DL normally only uses the A320's within the U.S. with exception of Puerto Rico which by the way is also U.S. territory. Are you sure it will be operated by the A320? In any case this is great news for Haiti.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-05 05:13:00 and read 10192 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 61):

Dont they operate A320s to MBJ? I remember seeing 1 there couple years ago

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-05 06:15:34 and read 10173 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 62):
Dont they operate A320s to MBJ? I remember seeing 1 there couple years ago

The A320's came to ANU briefly as well sometime back. Not sure if it was the ATL or JFK flights.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-05 07:08:40 and read 10133 times.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 58):
So little is ever mentioned here re: air travel to/from Port Au Prince Haiti but for once there is big news! Delta will commence a once weekly (Saturdays) non-stop with A320 from Atlanta to Port Au Prince on May 5th. This will be in addition to their ongoing JFK service.

Now we all know in this forum that Delta has a "come and go" reputation with destinations in the Caribbean served from Atlanta (e.g. Tobago). That said, hopefully this new service will sell well as it represents a whole new king of gateway Haiti has never enjoyed before. With Atlanta's tremendous feed from the Midwest and West coast of the USA, Haitian diaspora all over the U.S. have a new alternative to the usual U.S. gateways to Haiti of Miami, Fort Lauderdale, New York JFK.

And DL ATL-KIN service did show stellar performance and the Jamaican Diaspora seems to be larger than Haïtian one.
Once per week ATL-PAP is a shy trial and although IMHO sceptical, wish DL luck with that one.

Could a once per week DL JFK-TAB have worked better than ATL-TAB?

And in the subject of the Haïtian and Jamaican Diaspora, as the population moves in South East Florida, IMHO, it's a question of time someone will fly PBI-KIN/PAP.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-05 07:30:10 and read 10116 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
Strange that they will use the A320 and not the 737? DL normally only uses the A320's within the U.S. with exception of Puerto Rico which by the way is also U.S. territory. Are you sure it will be operated by the A320? In any case this is great news for Haiti.

Well the old Northwest guys should get to have some Caribbean fun, too! lol...

I think, even if it's a trial, the 320 is a good idea simply because of payload and cargo.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-05 07:39:09 and read 10106 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 63):

Really? Didnt know this, do you remember when they did this?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: airjamaica
Posted 2012-03-05 09:00:34 and read 10070 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
Strange that they will use the A320 and not the 737? DL normally only uses the A320's within the U.S. with exception of Puerto Rico which by the way is also U.S. territory. Are you sure it will be operated by the A320?
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 62):
Dont they operate A320s to MBJ? I remember seeing 1 there couple years ago

DL operate the A320 on their DTW-MBJ services quite frequently. Not certain about ATL-MBJ though. Usually that route is done with the B738/B752/B767/MD80 mix.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-05 09:22:27 and read 10041 times.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 65):
Well the old Northwest guys should get to have some Caribbean fun, too! lol...

I think, even if it's a trial, the 320 is a good idea simply because of payload and cargo.

That is true, they should also have some fun in the sun. Some members here claim the 738 has a better cargo performance compared to the A320 so I'm not sure what is actually applicable to the region.

Quoting airjamaica (Reply 67):
DL operate the A320 on their DTW-MBJ services quite frequently. Not certain about ATL-MBJ though. Usually that route is done with the B738/B752/B767/MD80 mix.

Thanks airjamaica, I wasn't aware of that. I do know that DL indeed sends different equipment to Jamaica, even the CRJ was sent to KIN in the past I believe if.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: jmbweeboy
Posted 2012-03-05 09:55:40 and read 10031 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
Quoting A388 (Reply 61):
Strange that they will use the A320 and not the 737? DL normally only uses the A320's within the U.S. with exception of Puerto Rico which by the way is also U.S. territory. Are you sure it will be operated by the A320? In any case this is great news for Haiti.

A388

Definetly A320 for ATL-PAP. Only other A320 service into PAP is Air France from Miami and the French territories. Perhaps DL uses same ground handling agent there as does AF.

Jmbweeboy

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: airjamaica
Posted 2012-03-05 10:35:01 and read 10019 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 68):
Thanks airjamaica, I wasn't aware of that. I do know that DL indeed sends different equipment to Jamaica, even the CRJ was sent to KIN in the past I believe if.

No problem. Yes the equipment DL use to Jamaica varies alot. They also use the A320's on MSP-MBJ and MEM-MBJ at times as well. As for KIN, I have seen the CRJ, B738 and B752 ( on their short lived JFK-KIN route ). I did see one of their B752 at Manley once even after the JFK route was axed, but that was a diversion or sub.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-05 15:08:56 and read 9945 times.

For those interested in Guyanese aviation, EZJet reports on their Facebook page that they transported 4,358 pax in Jan, and 7,502 in Feb. They were flying to POS and GEO from JFK during Carnival.

Scathing article on them in Kaieteur News:

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...ng-questions-over-source-of-ezjet/

From their Facebook page seems that they are having lots of problems with their a/c, causing multiple delays. BW526/527 is causing them lots of problems with market share as they made a formal complaint to the GCAA.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-05 18:32:48 and read 9874 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 71):

Thanks I just read the article US$3m lose in 2 months? I am not sure why people like these always start an airline, it was reported that they had some really long delays over the months and people are already saying they will not fly them.

It was said that RD is dropping its BGI-UVF-BGI route, it has been zeroed out from May?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-05 20:17:26 and read 9818 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 66):
Really? Didnt know this, do you remember when they did this?

Right now, I honestly cannot remember. It's probably nearly 2 years ago now, somewhere 'round the DL/NW merger.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 58):
Hopefully we will also see soon some JM ATR service from Kingston in the not too distant future.

From the little I hear, that might not happen anytime soon.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 71):
For those interested in Guyanese aviation, EZJet reports on their Facebook page that they transported 4,358 pax in Jan, and 7,502 in Feb. They were flying to POS and GEO from JFK during Carnival.

Very interesting article. I always have concerns with these types of operations. Remember Constellation? Wasn't there another? They all seem to be faced with the same problems. High overhead costs and poor reliability.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 72):
It was said that RD is dropping its BGI-UVF-BGI route, it has been zeroed out from May?

Only a matter of time before that route is dropped. No flights bookable after May 14th. Any truth to the rumour that BGI gov't gave certain RD employees tax exemptions?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-05 20:47:21 and read 9811 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
Only a matter of time before that route is dropped. No flights bookable after May 14th. Any truth to the rumour that BGI gov't gave certain RD employees tax exemptions?

From what I heard a little while ago that is the case, but I cannot verify it, there was also talk about pilots being asked to contribute in their training?

No Easy Task
"The tourism minister, addressing the issue of airlift, said a number of current and future plans for that sector should redound to the island’s greater market share within the industry. To complement the introduction of REDjet last December and Caribbean Airlines earlier this month, JetBlue will be offering daily non-stop flights between JFK International Airport and Hewanorra International Airport between March 28 and September 4, 2012. French Caribbean airline, Air Caraibe, he said, has also increased their number of flights into Saint Lucia between the winter seasons of 2011 and 2012.

Theophilus added that discussions are still ongoing with Continental Airlines and American Airlines in an effort to increase airlift from the United States to the island. The appointment of an officer within the Ministry of Tourism to spearhead issues relating to security, Theophilus added, is expected soon. Also, an institution to train individuals in the field of hospitality studies should be introduced within the coming months."
http://www.thevoiceslu.com/features/2012/march/03_03_12/No.htm

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-06 00:04:04 and read 9777 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 73):
Very interesting article. I always have concerns with these types of operations. Remember Constellation? Wasn't there another? They all seem to be faced with the same problems. High overhead costs and poor reliability.

Yes, there were Constellation and Travelspan. They both were popular for a short while before the 22 hr delays that started to occur on a regular basis.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 72):
It was said that RD is dropping its BGI-UVF-BGI route, it has been zeroed out from May?

Not surprising.

Appears that CAL has not only reduced its FLL-KIN from 3x daily to 2x daily, but is also reducing MBJ-PHL to 4x weekly from daily come March.

Any comment on this latest reduction?

[Edited 2012-03-06 00:07:08]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-06 03:37:17 and read 9734 times.

Perhaps the routes from Jamaica are not profitable given the reductions and the cancellation of MIA again do you guys think BW will eventually just serve JFK YYZ and FLL?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-06 06:24:52 and read 9697 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 76):
Perhaps the routes from Jamaica are not profitable given the reductions and the cancellation of MIA again do you guys think BW will eventually just serve JFK YYZ and FLL?

BW out of MBJ you mean?
FLL and JFK for Jamaica O/D. no YYZ from MBJ.
If talking about leisure-traffic to MBJ, my guess is that'll depend if no other airline already operates the route or if Jamaica (plus POS) has a demand for that destination.
I'd think routes to MBJ like BOS (or PVD), BWI, ORD, IAH and perhaps LAX might be able to survive on both leisure traffic and connecting traffic from KIN and POS (if a POS-MBJ is available).

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: AA1818
Posted 2012-03-06 06:35:10 and read 9690 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 64):
Could a once per week DL JFK-TAB

BW currently flies that route and the figures were published in the Newspapers- less than 50% LF, somewhere between 45 and 55 PED. I assume they also route some POS pax via TAB to make the flight viable.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 75):
Appears that CAL has not only reduced its FLL-KIN from 3x daily to 2x daily, but is also reducing MBJ-PHL to 4x weekly from daily come March.

BW needs to focus its efforts on routes where it'll have a viable monopoly or can dominate- eg. HAV, BZE, SDQ, PAP to KIN. Once it builds it's KIN hub and has secured feed, it can then seek to spread its wings again. Jamaica's economy is still not in great shape- I see their PM calling for a Greek-style bailout. Now is the time to be smart not frivolous about growth opportunities.

AA1818

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-06 06:50:29 and read 9680 times.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):
BW currently flies that route and the figures were published in the Newspapers- less than 50% LF, somewhere between 45 and 55 PED. I assume they also route some POS pax via TAB to make the flight viable.

Has BW ever studied a GEO-TAB-JFK? But pretty sure any TAB-GEO-TAB traffic might be very low.

Quote:
BW needs to focus its efforts on routes where it'll have a viable monopoly or can dominate- eg. HAV, BZE, SDQ, PAP to KIN. Once it builds it's KIN hub and has secured feed, it can then seek to spread its wings again.

Totally agree.
BW needs to focus on routes out of KIN (and MBJ) in which BW will the the only or the airline of choice.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-06 08:23:59 and read 9649 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 76):

The Jamaicans warned that BW wouldnt be popular with them. BW bombed last summer with numerous delays and poor ground service.

Now BW has stopped marketing to the Jamaican public.

They will exit Jamaica in a few years...when the fuel subsidy ends.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):

Piarco knows nothing about the Jamaican traveler and recent proposed changes to the FLL route indicate this. First flight out of KIN arriving in the afternoon!!!!! They cant be serious in a route where many are either day trippers, or travel there for a day or two. B6 has become the carrier of choice for Jamaicans. Interesting that they market more to Jamaicans with several promotions.


With B6, AA and Westjet expanding service CALs problems are their own, not KIN. Dont blame Jamaica.

I truly doubt those routes proposed to HAV, BZE, SDQ, PAP will make sense if the FLL and JFK routes bomb. These are all routes which were floown in times past and I doubt will attract 100+ passengers/flight.


CALs performance to Jamaica is occurring exactly as the Jamaicans predicted. It will soon be time for CAL to admit that they dont understand the Jamaican, have failed to convince them that it is a "Little Piece of Jamaica that flies"...so are seen as any other carrier.....with the additional problem of resentment that CAL replaced Air Jamaica as the supposed national acrrier.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-06 08:52:25 and read 9628 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
They will exit Jamaica in a few years...when the fuel subsidy ends.

Or rather said, will go back to that POS-BGI-KIN BWIA original route?

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
Piarco knows nothing about the Jamaican traveler and recent proposed changes to the FLL route indicate this. First flight out of KIN arriving in the afternoon!!!!! They cant be serious in a route where many are either day trippers, or travel there for a day or two.

BW should have visualized that the daily schedule demand between KIN and FLL is at least one flight early morning, one mid-day and one evening. If MIA-KIN-MIA too, then evenings KIN-MIA (after AA departure) and early morning MIA-KIN (before AA departure).

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
I truly doubt those routes proposed to HAV, BZE, SDQ, PAP will make sense if the FLL and JFK routes bomb. These are all routes which were floown in times past and I doubt will attract 100+ passengers/flight.

Those are routes with a demand, if BW doesn't fly them who will?

I just hope the Air Jamaica venture doesn't turn out to be an awful fiasco for BW and not only hurts Jamaica but takes-down the whole Trini BW with it.
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Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-06 10:14:11 and read 9579 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
Piarco knows nothing about the Jamaican traveler and recent proposed changes to the FLL route indicate this. First flight out of KIN arriving in the afternoon!!!!! They cant be serious in a route where many are either day trippers, or travel there for a day or two. B6 has become the carrier of choice for Jamaicans. Interesting that they market more to Jamaicans with several promotions.



You talk as if you have the data in front of you to me such assertion based one person's letter. I do work for the Broward county aviation council and see the date of all the flights. The morning flight into FLL has very poor load factor of 30% off peak season, while the mid afternoon and late evening arrival flights have have a higher loads of 65%. The morning FLL departure flight has the highest load along with the 5pm flight, the late evening departure flight has the lowest loads like the morning KIN departure.
The yearly load factor of this route has always been in the low 60% since 2005, while their other flights are seeing over 70% load factor.
The flight out of MBJ has pretty good loads due to the catchment area it services and being the only on out of there.
It is now up to CAL to make sure the flight loads and yields are up, because with 3 daily flights and little competition the yearly load factor was 60%.

As for B6 lowering the flight to 2 E-190, that is because of poor forward bookings on the route and now overcapacity with NK having 2w services. I am not sure how long NK would last with that much flights but the market will have to readjust soon.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):
Those are routes with a demand, if BW doesn't fly them who will?



We will be surprised by year's end.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 75):
but is also reducing MBJ-PHL to 4x weekly from daily come March.

Any comment on this latest reduction?



CAL is not a tourist airline and that route is mainly directed towards tourist with the early departure out of PHL, the only routes that have higher yields and loads out of MBJ for CAL are FLL and NYC because of the local population. And has been said many times over and over tourist markets are very low yielding and is best left to US carriers since they have a large FF base.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):
BW should have visualized that the daily schedule demand between KIN and FLL is at least one flight early morning, one mid-day and one evening



Reality is not the same, it seems that most pax originates in FLL since that 9am flight has the highest loads while the 6am flight has the lowest loads out of FLL. Maybe it is because Jamaicans in Florida are doing more business in KIN than the other way around? Something like the Guyanese population? I do know a lot of jamaicans here that actually like the morning dearture to Kingston and arrive in the late evening since they do business there.

How they manage the new schedule depends on how they market the route, but the route will be oversaturated in May when B6 comes in. AA will always be king in South Florida with most connecting pax passing through MIA.
Business class loads are almost non existent on this route in the low periods, which negates the argument made above.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-06 10:25:32 and read 9571 times.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):

BW currently flies that route and the figures were published in the Newspapers- less than 50% LF, somewhere between 45 and 55 PED. I assume they also route some POS pax via TAB to make the flight viable.



That is expected as this was known and nothing has really changed since the last time, the flight is full only because of POS, unlike GND where the flights can be filled year round. Tobago's problems are lack of direction in tourism, come on the island is very nice and natural and yet they cannot get a marketing out there to promote the destination?

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):
Jamaica's economy is still not in great shape- I see their PM calling for a Greek-style bailout. Now is the time to be smart not frivolous about growth opportunities.



Most of the economies in the region are either slow or in a slump and Trinidad is no exception. Grenada is now facing problems with a loan they took from Taiwan and cannot repay it, that will be of a significant effect on goods and services to GND if this continues. Already the airport is complaining they have no money to pay staff and may face closure.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-06 12:25:54 and read 9522 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):
Or rather said, will go back to that POS-BGI-KIN BWIA original route?

POS-BGI-SXM-KIN you mean? that was the caribbean kangorou from hell route! :/

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):
Those are routes with a demand, if BW doesn't fly them who will?

good question, Cubana = not trustful, aerogaviota = the same, haitian airlines got only few small planes! D. Republic the same....

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):
I just hope the Air Jamaica venture doesn't turn out to be an awful fiasco for BW and not only hurts Jamaica but takes-down the whole Trini BW with it.

BW looks like the 18 years old boy who thinks he knows everything and is above everything...

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 83):
Most of the economies in the region are either slow or in a slump and Trinidad is no exception. Grenada is now facing problems with a loan they took from Taiwan and cannot repay it, that will be of a significant effect on goods and services to GND if this continues. Already the airport is complaining they have no money to pay staff and may face closure.

I wonder how the future will look like to these islands!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-06 12:56:43 and read 9518 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
CALs performance to Jamaica is occurring exactly as the Jamaicans predicted. It will soon be time for CAL to admit that they dont understand the Jamaican, have failed to convince them that it is a "Little Piece of Jamaica that flies"...so are seen as any other carrier

CAL should not market itself as the "little piece of Jamaica that flies". CAL is jointly owned by POS and KIN, obviously with POS still holding the lion's share. However, what you fail to grasp is that CAL is not seen as just another airline. CAL is seen as the "Air Jamaica killer" for some twisted reason when Jamaicans killed the airline themselves.....greatly aided by Butch Stewart which many many persons acknowledge.

Do you think CAL is seen in the same light as AA, B6, US or any other carrier serving Jamaica? If you think so, then you are categorically wrong, because frankly, we've seen on this forum certain US carriers being adopted as the new fling to fly into Jamaica. If you really think CAL is seen as just another airline, then you're living in a bubble.

Anyway, despite all the animosity leveled against CAL in the certain circles, I've realized that the average Jamaican from where I stand, has gotten over this whole loss of Air Jamaica. Yes, I have some educated Jamaican friends who tease about losing JM, but are flying BW because either its the best option, the allowance and service is better, its cheaper or simply because they're mature enough to realize that BW is somewhat Jamaican now, employing hundreds of Jamaica's aviation human resource.

I always say........if all these airlines in the world are merging, why this nonsense about having "my own airline". EZjet is also a good example of this nonsense being repeated. From what I've seen, it seems certain individuals want to see FlyJamaica do well. Let's see how they fair and see how "truly Jamaican" they will be with their FLL based 752.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 82):
CAL is not a tourist airline and that route is mainly directed towards tourist with the early departure out of PHL, the only routes that have higher yields and loads out of MBJ for CAL are FLL and NYC because of the local population. And has been said many times over and over tourist markets are very low yielding and is best left to US carriers since they have a large FF base.

Understood, however, I was under the impression that PHL did have a sizeable disapora that was sustaining the daily rotation.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
They will exit Jamaica in a few years...when the fuel subsidy ends.

LOL............I guess that goes in the same boat as your CAL funeral purple tirade (but apparently everyone else for the most part likes/loves it) as well as your Nostradamus prediction of CAL not lasting beyond 2 yrs after start-up. Since I'm hearing this latest prediction from you, I can rest assured it ain't happening.....

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-06 13:32:58 and read 9503 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 81):

The routes might have some slight demand, but not enough for 737 aircraft. The ATRs yes. But if the KIN hub is downsized why will they do this?

Quoting BW424 (Reply 85):

At the end of the day Jamaicans dont want CAL. CAL messed up by offering sloppy service over the summer when some were willing to give them a chance. Now they have stopped marketing. One would think given the negative PR they would have heightened their marketing. I live in NYC in the midst of a Jamaican community, and believe me the invisibility of Air Jamaica is a fact....Jamaicans have accepted Air Jamaica's death and now fly with what ever carrier they wish, often not CAL.

CAL will be off the Jamaican routes (other than the traditional service to the E/Caribean) once the fuel subsidy finishes. Jamaicans dont want them and the declining loads are indicative of this. CAL now offers MUCH lower capacity into Jamaica than Air J did prior to its Butch Stewart days when it wa smuch maligned for lousy service. They are now falling to a US Airways level of capacity.


Increased incursions by foreign carriers are because they see taht they can seize market share that they couldnt under the OLD Air Jamaica, because, as bad as they might have been many Jamaicans considered it theirs, not some "Trini ting". Outside of the intellectual elite that "Caribbean vibe" doesnt interest Jamaicans.

How much room is there for AC, Westjet and BW on the YYZ, and BW, B6 and NK on the FLL? On the JFK KIN some days B6 flies MORE passengers than BW even though they have fewer flights. Why your babble about EZ jet, are they servicing KIN MIA, FLL, JFK and YYZ? No strong foreign carriers are.

Do you think that the Trinidadian taxpayer is going to subsidize Jamaican routes? They dont even want to subsidize TAB routes much less. THINK AGAIN. Fuel subsidy finish...Jamaican routes DONE. T&T is not going to do for the rest of CARICOM what Germany is forced to do for the Eurozone....too poor. Sorry. And certainly not Kamla who isnt too CARICOM oriented either and will quickly asked for Jamaica to help in subsidies...which of course they will refuse to do...

Like the Jamaicans said, Jamaicans are JAMAICAN, not Caribbean. If Air Jamaica isnt seen as Jamaican they will not use it. Jamaicans have always identified more with the USA than they have with the E/Caribbean, which were always distant foreign lands. I grew up in Jamaica and it will shock you to know how ignorant the average Jamaican living outside of Kingston is about the E/Caribbean. So once the new Air Jamaica is seen as "dat Trini ting" most Jamaicans will boycott them. You might not like it. You might not agree with it, but this is the reality. The Jamaicans already told you so and they are laughing at you.


BTW w/o the fuel subsidy how viable would CAL have been?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-06 14:14:36 and read 9490 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 86):

To be honest you cant speak for every Jamaican on this planet, just because some say what you have stated doesnt mean this is the whole opinion of the entire jamaican population. You say you live in a Jamaican community, so what? ok have you gone to every jamaican asking them about their views? Have you pretty much tracked down all the Jamaicans in NYC area asking for their views? And what about those in other areas like in the FLL area? How do you really know what the Jamaicans are saying just based on what a few are saying in the area you live, what is said here and on facebook? I have Jamaican roots, and had no objections to the merger with CAL and honestly I couldnt care less, Yes air Jamaica was a fun airline to look at and fly on, etc. But its gone now or somewhat gone now, so move on.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: jmbweeboy
Posted 2012-03-06 16:05:17 and read 9443 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 87):
But its gone now or somewhat gone now, so move on

Words of Wisdom!

Jmbweeboy

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-07 02:22:38 and read 9331 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 87):
To be honest you cant speak for every Jamaican on this planet, just because some say what you have stated doesnt mean this is the whole opinion of the entire jamaican population. You say you live in a Jamaican community, so what? ok have you gone to every jamaican asking them about their views? Have you pretty much tracked down all the Jamaicans in NYC area asking for their views? And what about those in other areas like in the FLL area? How do you really know what the Jamaicans are saying just based on what a few are saying in the area you live, what is said here and on facebook? I have Jamaican roots, and had no objections to the merger with CAL and honestly I couldnt care less, Yes air Jamaica was a fun airline to look at and fly on, etc. But its gone now or somewhat gone now, so move on.

Exactly my point Dreamliner.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 86):

It's amazing how you post with such authority as if you really know what you're talking about. And to have the nerve to speak on behalf of Jamaicans in general is quite arrogant on your part. Anyway, I'll leave you to live in your little bubble of distorted predictions and logic (you're entitled to it)........the same funeral purple logic, CAL longevity logic, GEO-JFK fare structure logic and now your CAL KIN/MBJ ops departure logic. I said it before and I'll say it again, IMO your assertions and predictions reinforce the contrary.....

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: windian425
Posted 2012-03-07 03:30:27 and read 9314 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 79):
Has BW ever studied a GEO-TAB-JFK? But pretty sure any TAB-GEO-TAB traffic might be very low.

BW should be operating GEO-BGI-JFK long time ago..

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-07 03:43:16 and read 9313 times.

Have CAL received anymore ATR's and when is the first Q300 scheduled to leave the fleet?. I always thought CAL would have a tough go at it in Jamaica its a different market compared to POS where CAL faces little competition if they can't make it work I see no reason to continue flying there at the end of the day the company is there to make a profit. When BW pulled out their UK and Us routes from BGI it was a major blow but the capacity has been covered by other airlines I see no reason why the same won't occur in Jamaica.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: time2lyme
Posted 2012-03-07 03:50:39 and read 9315 times.

One thing that continues to amaze me, not only here but on lots of threads on a.net, is the staunch patriotism and loyalty to certain airlines.

Apparently an incumbent can not be beaten, is immovable, is rooted in the ground so strongly that it will never cease to be king. History tells us differently. Pick virtually any airline in the world, past or present, and you can see this. See any and all american airlines whose fortunes ebb and flow with the competence of management, and you can see this.

The idea that BW has no chance of success on the London route, either to KIN or POS, or is going to be squeezed out by american/canadian carriers on YYZ/FLL/JFK/MIA to Jamaica or even Trinidad, or any other Caribbean country for that matter, is all crazy and pretty much without substance.

Look at BA on the POS route back when BWIA was around. BA pulled out because they couldn't compete. Air Canada pulled out of POS because it couldn't compete with Caribbean Airlines.

If you have an airline with a good product, pleasant staff, relevant frequencies and departure times, and competitive fares, then they WILL succeed, irrespective of the incumbent.

So BW/JM is just as likely to succeed out of KIN as it is to fail - but they can swing the odds in their favour by having the above. They've already shown they have the skill, the guts, the perseverance, to succeed.

If their management team can get back to what they were two years ago when the buy out of JM began, then watch out everyone else. BW/JM has been very impressive with their success against other airlines, and they can be again.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-03-07 04:41:09 and read 9287 times.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
BW/JM has been very impressive with their success against other airlines, and they can be again.

just had several flights with BW and have to say its a good service they are providng, specially on the new ATR72!

Cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-07 04:56:24 and read 9281 times.

Quoting jmbweeboy (Reply 88):
Words of Wisdom!

Words of Wisdom indeed. I agree with 817Dreamliiner as well. I say give Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica a few years of operation in Jamaica before making (premature) conclusions.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-07 06:03:55 and read 9245 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 84):
I wonder how the future will look like to these islands!
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):
I see their PM calling for a Greek-style bailout. Now is the time to be smart not frivolous about growth opportunities.

With the Government calling for austerity measures in Jamaica. it really does not bode well at the end of the day for everyone else in the region. Gas prices are already skyrocketing there and their is a now a situation with a tax reform proposal that could possibly devalue the Jamaican dollar once again.
In Trinidad we have an administration that cut a lot of programs for political expediency and are now looking for ways to get many of them started to stimulate the economy.

These are the things that we need to discuss as aviation in this region will be greatly affected if the territories go further into recession. Right now energy prices are expected to go higher up with threats of war in the Middle East, how is that expected to affect travel in the region.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-07 06:05:18 and read 9247 times.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
Look at BA on the POS route back when BWIA was around. BA pulled out because they couldn't compete. Air Canada pulled out of POS because it couldn't compete with Caribbean Airlines.

Is it that BA and AC couldn't compete or there was just no market for two airlines? Or perhaps the Trini population rather take their own airline rather than a newcomer they didn't know?

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
One thing that continues to amaze me, not only here but on lots of threads on a.net, is the staunch patriotism and loyalty to certain airlines.

I see nothing wrong with patriotism to one's national airline. It's probably their tax payers money paying for it so one should be loyal to it.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
So BW/JM is just as likely to succeed out of KIN as it is to fail - but they can swing the odds in their favour by having the above. They've already shown they have the skill, the guts, the perseverance, to succeed.

While that may be so, I think the odds are against them now. They have lost trust in the Jamaican public and clearly they have an uphill battle to regain it.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
The idea that BW has no chance of success on the London route, either to KIN or POS,

They had no chance when Nicholas went public to say CAL is "looking at big planes to go back to London". With plans to lease 777's and now 767's a year later shows me there's no direction.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-07 06:22:59 and read 9235 times.

Quoting windian425 (Reply 90):

BW left all of their BGI- North America routes because they were unprofitable no need to return given all the routes they operated other than MIA are covered by two carriers.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-07 09:03:34 and read 9187 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 96):
Is it that BA and AC couldn't compete or there was just no market for two airlines? Or perhaps the Trini population rather take their own airline rather than a newcomer they didn't know?

I think you are right. It isn't that BA or AC couldn't compete with Caribbean Airlines (I mean let's get serious, these are big airlines). It's a matter of the market that was lacking (as Trinidad isn't a tourist destination) and that the local people preferring their own airline. Caribbean Airlines is doing well so far because of the lack of real competition at their homebase, that's it. In Jamaica they face a whole different market with a lot of competition because of all the tourists going to Jamaica. This necessitates adjustment to that market from their side in my opinion. Whether Jamaicans themselves take Caribbean Airlines or the new Air Jamaica or not, I'll leave that to time. They have been around in Jamaica for like a little over 1 year?

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-07 10:02:25 and read 9160 times.

Airline job cuts

Janet Silvera, Senior Gleaner Writer

WESTERN BUREAU:At least 150 Caribbean Airlines employees are to be sent home as of April 30, 45 in Montego Bay, St James and more than 100 in Kingston.

The ripple effect could see some 300 people out of a job, highly placed sources close to the airline which bought the country's former national carrier, Air Jamaica, told The Gleaner.

In a release to the media late yesterday, CAL confirmed that its Airport Customer Service operations, based in Kingston and Montego Bay, will be outsourced to a third party service provider.

The Gleaner understands that the third party provider is a Barbados-based organisation.

The massive reduction in staff comes on the heels of plans by the airline to reduce its Montego Bay to Philadelphia route to four trips per week, as of the end of March, and its Fort Lauderdale flights to Kingston to two daily, down from three.

See full article: http://jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20120307/lead/lead1.html

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-07 10:22:32 and read 9155 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 87):

CAL loads are down to Jamaica. This despite significant reduction in capacity. Look at the monthly data, they consistently under perform the other carriers' load factors. And definitely are below what they once were, this despite fewer seats. In fact B6 doesnt even have to undercut CAL on their JFK KIN/MBJ route and still even in low season their loads are over 90%, while CAL has much lower load factors.

Now tell me why is this when AA, B6 and others have INCREASED service and indeed KIN is seeing way more competition than it has for a long time?

Jamaicans are not turned on to CAL.Definitely not in the way that they were to JM, before their service standards collapsed. The numbers speak for themselves. So no I didnt need to track every Jamaican down. YOU just need to look at how CAL:s loads are down to the point where even one of the Jamaican ministers was quoted, and this was reported on this site, that passenger loads are down, because Jamaicans arent supporting them. JM in its best days did 5x/d to MIA and now CAL is struggling at 2X/d to FLL!!!!

AJ used to be way ahead the number one carrier into Jamaica. Is CAL on its Jamaica US routes? AA had to flee the JFK KIN route. B6 will serve it with 2x/day in the summer. Now starting FLL KIN. A route that Spirit all but abandoned. AC increasing YYZ KIN...Westjet starting. In AJs heyday few dared to compete with them into KIN. It was JM, BA and AA (MIA only) and almost nobody else.

And as you know its not as if the market is growing. Its that these airlines are grabbing market share.

I rest my case. CAL will either have to win back the patronage of the Jamaican traveling public, or they will have to close down the routes. With the end of the fuel subsidy coming very soon, CAL cannot support loss making routes and indeed their pull back seems to be in realization of that. The Trinidad & Tobago tax payers will NOT support Jamaica's air access from the USA even if 424 wishes that they would.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):

I dont know that any one was saying that the BW LGW KIN route cant work as indeed the pull out of VS allows this to.

Now if you can prove that POS can support a stand alone route then maybe CAL POS LGW can work. Yet it always appears that POS needs to be combined with BGI, UVF or some other island for it to work. BW tried a nonstop and canned it after nit very long.

With APD and an over served UK E/Cbn market any new entrant, definitely one with a weak brand within the UK leisure market, will have a tough time grabbing share into islands like BGI, UVF and ANU. BA and VS have their strong travel packages and distribution. BW dropped out of the market. BA/VS have filled the gap, and in a decling market their is little slack available. Yes any one can jump in but will they get share and yields to be sustainable in an era of high fuel prices?

Remember also that most UK business travel to POS will remain with BA, once they maintain high frequencies. FF, coporate contracts, discounts, loyalty, etc. So is the VFR and T&T based UK destined business market large enough to support a nonstop flight to LGW with at least 3X/week frequencies (will have to be to compete with BAs almost daily service)?

Quoting BW424 (Reply 89):

Oh by the way CAL has SHARPLY cut its JFK GEO airfares now. And they have a nonstop JFK GEO flight. And they offer some good POS GEO fares. Apparently they listen to their customers and know they can not order them on at gun point, even if you think they can. You should learn something from them.

But you bark that Guyanese must tolerate high airfares or else. Well CAL knows their success lies in providing customers what they want and listening to them when they complain. Because of these moves CAL is gaining market share from Delta and protecting their share against the new competition into GEO. This despite a legacy of ill will left by BWIA, and T&T customs and immigration officials.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-07 10:31:22 and read 9132 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):
Yet it always appears that POS needs to be combined with BGI, UVF or some other island for it to work.

Make it CCS-POS-LGW (must be same aircraft, no change of plane whatsoever) and see how CCS will support BW LON flight.
Routing BW POS-LGW via CCS, lovely for the Venezuelans, dreadful for Trinis.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-07 10:32:40 and read 9137 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):
The numbers speak for themselves.

Do you have those numbers for us to analyze? Do you have prove that the decline in load factor is actually caused by Jamaicans not chosing Caribbean Airlines? Do you have prove of these Jamaicans chosing AA and/or B6 to fly? Maybe this decline is also caused by the economic crisis affecting people?

I can believe you but I would just want that prove before making any judgement.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-07 10:57:33 and read 9122 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):

You should try to post with statistics
JFK-KIN-JFK July/August
B6 KIN 8397 9150 91.7%
MBJ 13368 14550 91.8%
KIN 8134 8700 93.4%
MBJ 12547 13350 93.98%

CAL
KIN 31273 34405 90.90%
MBJ 8657 9744 88.84%
KIN 28475 31802 89.5%
MBJ 8484 8932 94.9%

CAL carried 4 to 5 times more pax than B6 last summer and you should also see the December statistics.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 99):

Nothing earth shattering, CAL said many times that those operations would do like POS with mainly crew and management staff permanently with the airline. Maybe those persons would be employed with the contractor like POS when BWIA closed.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-07 11:02:42 and read 9122 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):
Quoting A388 (Reply 102):
Do you have prove that the decline in load factor is actually caused by Jamaicans not chosing Caribbean Airlines?

A388 asks a really good question here, ok guyanam, if you do indeed have this data to support your claims please do present it. And to add to A388's question how exactly are you so sure that the increase in LF on other airlines are from jamaicans and not from locals (americans) in the US? These airlines would be more established in the US wouldnt they? im sure this is something you can answer by fact since you live there. So then unless you have the breakdown by nationality of this data you may have please present and prove us wrong, because I believe you cant just base it on load factor alone and what a handful of people say and how many flights they have per day to a place.

just to edit, thank you caribbean484 for posting some numbers

[Edited 2012-03-07 11:05:25]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-07 11:17:40 and read 9096 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 104):
And to add to A388's question how exactly are you so sure that the increase in LF on other airlines are from jamaicans and not from locals (americans) in the US? These airlines would be more established in the US wouldnt they?

Yes, that is also a valid point kind of linked to where I want to go. We need to know the (exact) mix of the passengers nationalities flying Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica and U.S. airlines. Usually local airlines carry mostly VFR passengers but it doesn't have to be this way necessarily. Also, if less Jamaicans chose to fly Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica we need to know if there is a decrease in Jamaicans traveling (due to the economic crisis just to name an example) or if these Jamaicans actually have chosen to fly with other airlines.

We need this crucial data to be able to make a conclusion instead of pointing fingers to each other. Guyanam, convince us and give us all this data, I say!!!  

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-07 13:04:32 and read 9063 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):
Oh by the way CAL has SHARPLY cut its JFK GEO airfares now. And they have a nonstop JFK GEO flight. And they offer some good POS GEO fares. Apparently they listen to their customers and know they can not order them on at gun point, even if you think they can. You should learn something from them

Based on what I am seeing, CAL's fares JFK-GEO are not much lower, but the 526/527 is lower, to compete with EZJet. I also notice that 526/527 is running until EZJet's charter is contractually over, which convinces me more it is just to keep EZJet at bay.

I also notice that they are running 526/527 JFK-GEO-POS/POS-GEO-JFK. While I don't believe that CAL will be running 526/527 for very long, once EZJet if out of the way that flight will be gone, I distinctly remember the "experts" on this forum saying south-north from POS will NEVER work and made it sound like that idea was preposterous.

The lower fares POS-GEO are to compete with REDjet. If FlyJamaica starts they may be faced with similar competing flights.

I hope CAL can afford to keep doing this and they don't run themselves into a hole while trying.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-03-07 15:15:38 and read 9006 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 80):
I truly doubt those routes proposed to HAV, BZE, SDQ, PAP will make sense if the FLL and JFK routes bomb. These are all routes which were floown in times past and I doubt will attract 100+ passengers/flight.

The last time KIN-BZE was flown by an established carrier was TA in the 60s (maybe 50s). You may be thinking of MBJ - BZE....but no one in BZE goes to MBJ...it is all KIN, BGI and POS....i have the data to prove that.

The JM experiment forced you to overnight in MBJ if you wanted to go to KIN....ugh! Butch and Co had no idea what they were doing.

If BW take a hard look with the data at BZE-KIN (with timing to connections at the BZE end to SAL, SAP and GUA and at the KIN end to POS) they will have zero problem filling the ATR.

If they don't do it....TA will eventually. I know TA has and the numbers work, but TA is trying to get away from Tags and non-core stuff.

An ATR hub in KIN with flights to HAV, PAP, SDQ, SJU, GCM, BZE and a few others...maybe even GUA (The trade between CARICOM and SICA is growing rapidly....Grace, digital etc etc) could work

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-03-07 16:21:34 and read 8977 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 97):

BW left all of their BGI- North America routes because they were unprofitable no need to return given all the routes they operated other than MIA are covered by two carriers.

True. Also, remember that when Caribbean Airlines were founded they did away with the Caribbean-wide focus which old BW were well-known for and instead concentrated on POS, which is why the US services via BGI, ANU etc. were stopped.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 78):

BW currently flies that route and the figures were published in the Newspapers- less than 50% LF, somewhere between 45 and 55 PED. I assume they also route some POS pax via TAB to make the flight viable.

The flight is currently once per week. Unfortunately TAB - United States air services have struggled over the years. They were first attempted back in 1988 when BW flew to MIA via a long milk-run route (POS - TAB - GND - UVF - ANU - MIA) but by the following year TAB was removed. When TAB's runway was extended in 1991 BW tried again with a few MIA and JFK services but these were again short-lived. American Eagle came to TAB in 1996 with daily flights to SJU and lasted 4 years during which time the services were shuffled a bit, including routing via SVD. More recently of course we had DL doing ATL but their departure was perhaps more linked to their POS withdrawal than anything else. TAB is a very small market and has little tourism from the US. While it does have a US based Diaspora in its own right such a market is small and seasonal too. Nevertheless, we can hope that with some marketing things will turn out fine for new BW's route.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 96):
Is it that BA and AC couldn't compete or there was just no market for two airlines? Or perhaps the Trini population rather take their own airline rather than a newcomer they didn't know?

BA and AC were not newcomers in POS at all. BA (initially as BOAC) served POS for many years until they pulled out in late 1994. At that time POS was in deep recession, the tourist markets in other islands were beginning to flourish and BA focused on the leisure market with their Caribbean routes. POS did not fit the bill and with BW offering daily services compared to BA's 2, later 1, weekly BA threw in the towel. While TAB was a rising star in the tourism world at the time BA sent their subsidiary, Caledonian, there and the latter's success was also instrumental in BA's departure from POS. AC served POS between 1948 and 2008 - again they started under a different name, Trans Canada Airlines before adopting their current bilingual name in the 1960s. AC were undone by the charters such as TS and SkyService which undercut their fares and BW which retained local loyalty. It has been said that the RBC takeover of RBTT, in which BW were retained as the preferred air carrier, was the final blow to AC in POS.

Quoting A388 (Reply 98):

I think you are right. It isn't that BA or AC couldn't compete with Caribbean Airlines (I mean let's get serious, these are big airlines). It's a matter of the market that was lacking (as Trinidad isn't a tourist destination) and that the local people preferring their own airline. Caribbean Airlines is doing well so far because of the lack of real competition at their homebase, that's it. In Jamaica they face a whole different market with a lot of competition because of all the tourists going to Jamaica. This necessitates adjustment to that market from their side in my opinion. Whether Jamaicans themselves take Caribbean Airlines or the new Air Jamaica or not, I'll leave that to time. They have been around in Jamaica for like a little over 1 year?

Fully agree. Also, with this debate about BW's fortunes with JM, we just need to give them some time. The aviation world right now is struggling, airlines are folding all around us (see JK, MA for instance), AA are under Chapter 11 protection - really before anybody can state that the fortunes or lack thereof of an airline are down to just one factor, please reconsider. There is a much greater picture to behold right now.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: jmbweeboy
Posted 2012-03-07 17:33:45 and read 8940 times.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 108):
Quoting trintocan (Reply 108):
Fully agree. Also, with this debate about BW's fortunes with JM, we just need to give them some time. The aviation world right now is struggling, airlines are folding all around us (see JK, MA for instance), AA are under Chapter 11 protection - really before anybody can state that the fortunes or lack thereof of an airline are down to just one factor, please reconsider. There is a much greater picture to behold right now.

More words of wisdom! Right on!

JmBweeboy

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-07 18:05:08 and read 8927 times.

I am not sure if this was posted but it doesn't seem a done deal. With Liat's woes, not sure when. Surinam Airways could probably do a PBM-PAP-AMS if they feel Hatians would use that route.

http://www.caribjournal.com/2012/02/...urinam-airways-could-fly-to-haiti/

Very interesting article on REDjet. Same sentiment was said on this thread. Seems a little strange that REDjet opened and did not realize that they would have to make the applications to the various governments, very bad planning for such a big investment. Maybe they thought they would have been good will and they would have had an easier time.

http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...oadblock-to-redjet-expansion-66501

Trintocan has hit the nail on the head fuel prices are killing the global market especially airlines in the Caribbean. Fuel is seen as a major cause of Bahamasair's losses. Bahamasair as a "Caribbean" airline is not discussed much on this thread.

http://www.tribune242.com/business/02272012_Bair_business_Page1-Lead

With that recent sighting of AZ in SXM seems they are making a push into the caribbean. Apparently AZ wants to do a one stop into Cayman Islands using KX as the connection.

http://www.compasscayman.com/caycomp...talian-tourism-targeted-by-Cayman/

I've noticed that both Cayman Airways and Bahamasair are both using older 737's, maybe they should upgrade and save on fuel.

With regards the laying off of the Air Jamaica employees, it seems BW is outsourcing to a Barbados based company. Being that Barbados is a bit more expensive than other Caribbean nations, maybe an alternative would make more sense. I am saying this although I am not privy to the details, like IT and similar issues that may have caused this decision. I am thinking purely on labour costs and fixed costs.

With BW and their Jamaican market, I hope they can improve their market share and get it going, it would be great if it works out. BW seems, generally to be doing a good job in POS. They need to convert some of that good work to KIN.


GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-07 20:25:19 and read 8882 times.

Hey Guys 9Y-TTD currently F-WWLS is in Canada doing some demo flights for WestJet

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/417703_2775514903598_1129840145_31965287_1208107272_n.jpg

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/422882_2775514223581_1129840145_31965285_2086848006_n.jpg

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-07 23:40:18 and read 8849 times.

Quoting time2lyme (Reply 92):
If their management team can get back to what they were two years ago when the buy out of JM began, then watch out everyone else. BW/JM has been very impressive with their success against other airlines, and they can be again.

And there lies the issue. CAL management team and leadership leaves much to be desired compared to what it once was. Anyone with an ounce of business acumen knows that the Board of Directors is critical to any corporation's strategic direction and long-term success.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 96):
They had no chance when Nicholas went public to say CAL is "looking at big planes to go back to London". With plans to lease 777's and now 767's a year later shows me there's no direction.

Valid point. Though their plans seem to mirror the original plans back when Saunders/Brunton were at the helm, the process seems rushed and definitely bullied into by the chairman.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 100):

So you make noise about CAL not having a clue about what they're doing in various markets, yet now you conveniently want to say they do and I can learn something from them?? LOL. I said it many times.....your logic is almost always severely flawed, and you always manage to bring in petty island politics that you think may gain you a dribble of validity, which it does not. As other members on here have said, you bring absolutely no statistics nor any sort of data analysis to back up your highly emotional rants. But.....to each his own.

Quoting A388 (Reply 105):
Also, if less Jamaicans chose to fly Caribbean Airlines/Air Jamaica we need to know if there is a decrease in Jamaicans traveling (due to the economic crisis just to name an example) or if these Jamaicans actually have chosen to fly with other airlines.

guyanam has sensitive data that we are not privy to, therefore, we must take his word as the gospel truth. We don't know any better.  
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 110):
With BW and their Jamaican market, I hope they can improve their market share and get it going, it would be great if it works out. BW seems, generally to be doing a good job in POS. They need to convert some of that good work to KIN.

That hopefully will happen. But a solid improvement will only come with a BOD with national/regional interest at heart.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-08 04:13:22 and read 8793 times.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 108):
Fully agree. Also, with this debate about BW's fortunes with JM, we just need to give them some time. The aviation world right now is struggling, airlines are folding all around us (see JK, MA for instance), AA are under Chapter 11 protection - really before anybody can state that the fortunes or lack thereof of an airline are down to just one factor, please reconsider. There is a much greater picture to behold right now.

Entirely true, that's linked to what I said that we are experiencing an economic crisis which can cause air travel to decrease or slow down and of course airlines are also part of the economy so they are not always exempted from any negative economic impact.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 112):
guyanam has sensitive data that we are not privy to, therefore, we must take his word as the gospel truth. We don't know any better.

Yes, that might well be so. Also my apologies for my reaction earlier in this thread. The two new loading bridges are being installed now and on March 31st there is an open day to the public at the airport because the airport operator (CAP) exists 5 years this year. There will be stands and demonstrations that day for the visitors.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-08 06:56:26 and read 8740 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 107):
The last time KIN-BZE was flown by an established carrier was TA in the 60s (maybe 50s). You may be thinking of MBJ - BZE....but no one in BZE goes to MBJ...it is all KIN, BGI and POS....i have the data to prove that.

I had old TA schedules from the 70's and by that time they flew BZE-MBJ (well it was shown on their route map like that).

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 107):
If they don't do it....TA will eventually. I know TA has and the numbers work, but TA is trying to get away from Tags and non-core stuff.

One of those TA Regional could fly BZE-RTB/LCE-GCM-KIN... problem solved. But as it was said, TA is getting away from non-core stuff.
Cayman Airways could also explore the possibility of a KIN-GCM-LCE-BZE route, but seems they've other things on their mind.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-08 10:13:27 and read 8687 times.

I've always wondered when aircraft like CAL's ATR do promotions for other airlines do they get a discount on the aircraft how does the process work?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-08 10:57:21 and read 8667 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 115):
I've always wondered when aircraft like CAL's ATR do promotions for other airlines do they get a discount on the aircraft how does the process work?

Yes, usually some form of compensation is involved as the aircraft is used by the manufacturer and not the airline itself. One must also not forget that these promotional flights also promote the airline itself so it works both ways. In nutshell, they do get discounts or compensations but at the same time it's "free promotion" for the airline involved too.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: speedbird2263
Posted 2012-03-08 11:03:09 and read 8667 times.

May just be me but when you used to see/or see Air Jamaica's livery in a cold snowy backdrop it gave/gives a sense of that island/Caribbean warmth....not so much with BW's livery. Well like I said that's just IMHO.


  
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Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-08 12:07:45 and read 8641 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 103):
Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 104):
Quoting A388 (Reply 102):
http://rjrnewsonline.com/business/ja...-snubbing-air-jamaica-dennis-lalor

This was posted here a mere few weeks ago. I suggest you take up your debate with him. Now do you claim to have more facts at your disposal then he does. Note that July was BEFORE the summer fiasco of canceled flights, etc. Many Jamaicans were willing to give them a try at that point. Sincethen are they if an alternate is available?.

So what has happened since then? What are ther current bookings, Mr Lalor wants your help as you think he doesnt know what he is talking about.



Also when you determine how popular an airline is do so at NONPEAK periods. B6 underserved JFK KIN last summer with one flight per day (maybe to charge high fares) , which they do NOT plan to do this summer. With 4,000 passengers in July and loads of 90%+ clearly they offered only a daily flight. I do recall the scenes at JFK KIN and MBJ @ CAL counters, so dont bring up last summer as proof of CALs popularity. Too many youtube videos will show you otherwise.

It appears as if B6 feels confident that they can sustain this increased capacity w/o diluting yield or offering a more favorable baggage policy.

Its no point denying the obvious. CAL lacks a hold over Jamaicans. Even though AJ offered unreliable service in its last days it was able to keep competitors out of KIN, other than AA to MIA. CAL comes in and then B6, and now Westjet come racing in, this after AC has decided to increaze its KIN service.

Also the passenger mix into KIN is the same as it has always been. If foreign carriers were too scared to take on JM (indeed AA dropped KIN JFK) then why are AC, Westjet, and B6 so bold? Please dont tell me that US/Canadians tolerated unreliable service from JM but have suddenly decided not to use BW which is considerably more reliable.

Despite decent fares and sharply improved reliability it appears as if CAL is vulnerable into KIN, moreso than JM was, this according to Mr Lalor.

What ever the reason for this its clear that CAL has a problem with Jcans, which is hurting the airline financially (employee layoffs and route reductions).

I

Quoting trintocan (Reply 108):

Fuel subsidies ending soon. CAL will have to be fully cash self reliant as GORTT will not provide support and DEFINITELY not for Jamaica. If Jcan routes are still losing money how do you suppose these losses will be financed?

CAL doesnt have time to try and figure it out and these moves are clearly indicative oof this. CAL is no AA so comparisons are meaningless. Creditors arent going to negotiate with them the way they will with AA. They will just stop providing service and order planes seized as we know from the BWIA fiasco.

[Edited 2012-03-08 12:12:08]

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Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-08 12:08:24 and read 8639 times.

Quoting speedbird2263 (Reply 117):
May just be me but when you used to see/or see Air Jamaica's livery in a cold snowy backdrop it gave/gives a sense of that island/Caribbean warmth....not so much with BW's livery. Well like I said that's just IMHO.

I think the new colors used now also give the same island/Caribbean warmth feeling as it is still very colorful. I really don't see the difference here. If this livery would have been Air Jamaica's previous livery and the previous livery would have been the current livery, would the "previous livery" have been preferred? Any child or young aviation enthusiast of this time and age who have never seen the old Air Jamaica livery will have a emotional attachment to the new Air Jamaica colors. It's just a matter of what you are accustomed to. It's the same as my beloved ALM of the '80s. I would love to see that livery flying around again but I have the ability to move on and accept the new local airlines Dutch Antilles Express and Insel Air who fly now. Children and young aviation enthusiasts now, won't have a particular attachment to ALM as they have never seen them in real life. To them the new airlines Dutch Antilles Express and Insel Air are their airlines who they grow attached to. I have the ability to move on so if these airlines would also fall apart (which I don't hope of course), well, let the next local airline come.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-08 12:13:29 and read 8638 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 119):

Livery is unimportant except to plane watchers. People board directly and so never see what the plane looks like.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-08 12:21:54 and read 8624 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 120):
Livery is unimportant except to plane watchers. People board directly and so never see what the plane looks like.

Airline liveries are important as that gives the emotional attachment the traveler has. Why do think BA had to abandon their World Images liveries on the tails of their entire fleet? Have you ever heard of brand recognition and its importance?

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-08 12:30:22 and read 8617 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 121):

And when do passengers actually see the plane's livery? Just about every airport served by Air Ja now has boarding gates.

In the scheme of reasons why people chose an airline livery isnt high. This from some one who hates that ghastly CAL purple but knows that it will not matter one iota to that airline's bottom line.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-08 12:39:30 and read 8602 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 122):
And when do passengers actually see the plane's livery? Just about every airport served by Air Ja now has boarding gates.

In the scheme of reasons why people chose an airline livery isnt high. This from some one who hates that ghastly CAL purple but knows that it will not matter one iota to that airline's bottom line.

When do passengers actually see the livery? Let me think, hmmm, their tickets, the airline's website, check-in counters, baggage tags, they all reflect the airline's livery. Let me think further ahead, hmmm, the aircraft parked in front of their gate, the aircraft arriving at the gate when you wait to board. You should definately see a livery there.

Again, why do you think BA had to abandon their World Images tail logos? I see you have not heard of brand recognition and its importance...

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-08 13:54:30 and read 8571 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 122):

Apparently you've never been to KIN, the jetways have windows all the way to the point you enter the aircraft, so therefore they can see the livery of the aircraft, also there are windows at the gate where the aircraft is parked, I hope you can name an airport where air j flies and you can't see the aircraft your flying on and as A388 said brand recognition is important, it produces an identity, like what JM was to jamaicans and what BW is to Trinidadians,etc

Anyway, Guyanam you have your own opinion and we have ours, What ever the facts are, it may be true it may not be, but really I still think its way too early to tell and make a full judgment, time will tell, in the mean time I think we all should move on from this

[Edited 2012-03-08 13:59:31]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-08 14:17:33 and read 8543 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 123):

BWIA had one of the best logos and liveries yet many refused to use them. Too much drama of the negative kind, especially in its last days.

Maybe long ago when people had time and opportunity to actually look at the aircraft prior to boarding or while waiting to see people off. Do you think folks have time to admire the plane, while scrambling to get food before they board, race to get on early to get the best overhead locker nearest to their seats, in the interim handling their kids, many dragging bags (you know Caribbean people)?

CAL has purple quite prominent, not a color that most associate with happy thoughts. CAL has regained most of BWIAs lost market share on the POS routes. Also done what it is failing to do on the KIN routes, and that is run off the competition. Drabber logo than its Jamaican brand, yet more success.

Reliable service, airfares, friendly ground and cabin service, these are what gets people to select an airline. Clearly BWIAs pretty logo vs CALs funereal purple indicates something. That is low down on the scale of why people select an airline. AA's drab silver should also say something.


And I repeat this from some one who thinks that CAL has some of the ugliest most UNCaribbean logos any where. I dont like it...who cares!!! If bodies board at fares that allow the airline to cover costs thats really the bottom line. And in any case people's tastes vary so who is to say whether the public, accustomed to BWIA's rich colorful logos, finds the drab CAL logo appealing or not. I dont like it...you do.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 124):

So what do you think of Mr Lalor's comments? Clearly more important than whether people think CAL/AJ has pretty planes or not?

Mr Lalor is on the Board so if he says Jamaicans are snubbing the airline he knows something...do you think? Willing to bet that problems with the Jamaican routes is taking up much of the time of the senior management and the Board.

[Edited 2012-03-08 14:19:29]

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Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-08 15:11:34 and read 8513 times.

Very happy to see 9Y-ANU back in service. It was down for quite a while. Does anyone know, or care to say if TJR and TJS are still with BW? Are there any other a/c undergoing long maintenance (C-Check)?

Here is an old article on the upcoming Surinam Airways GEO-MIA service using a 733. I am not so sure this service will last, as I don't believe there are enough loads to sustain it. Let's see.

"Cairo pointed out that passengers to Europe, India and China, can now choose to travel through Georgetown, since it is more costly to do so when travelling through Paramaribo."

Strange Cairo, the Vice President of Commerical Affairs for Surinam Airways would say that, seems he is shooting himself in the foot, since Surinam Airways has a PBM-AMS service. Maybe it's a misprint or taken out of context.

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/20...eorgetown-miami-flight-from-april/

For those not in the know the 743 in the pic is no longer in service, they use a A343.


Pilots arriving at GEO will be happy to know that the ILS apparently has been installed:

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bus...at-guyanas-airport--139575563.html

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2012-03-08 15:13:27]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-08 15:34:19 and read 8511 times.

Just read this Newsday article on BW. There seems to be a misprint or ignorance of a/c (767ER-200). As far as I know the a/c will be 763. Apparently the arrival of the first 763 will be April 10 and in full BW colours.

It is strange, according to the article that the ads for the new POS-LGW was not advertised in the T&T press.

The article goes on to say the TAB-JFK service has very sparse loads, 33 pax off peak and 45 peak. Since this flight originates in POS couldn't they feed some pax on that flight and reduce one nonstop POS-JFK, or it is better not to mess with something that works?? Does anyone know whether BW is subsidised for this flight?

Here is the article:

http://www.newsday.co.tt/businessday/0,156545.html

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-08 15:43:48 and read 8499 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 126):
Very happy to see 9Y-ANU back in service. It was down for quite a while. Does anyone know, or care to say if TJR and TJS are still with BW? Are there any other a/c undergoing long maintenance (C-Check)?

ANU had an engine switch with SLU, which is why she was down for a much longer time, SLU is now C-Checks for 30 days. TJS and TJR are still here and will stay for a while longer.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 126):
Pilots arriving at GEO will be happy to know that the ILS apparently has been installed:

Nice finally its serviceable, the pilots at CAL will be very happy at that.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 127):
The article goes on to say the TAB-JFK service has very sparse loads, 33 pax off peak and 45 peak. Since this flight originates in POS couldn't they feed some pax on that flight and reduce one nonstop POS-JFK, or it is better not to mess with something that works?? Does anyone know whether BW is subsidised for this flight?

Leave well enough alone, lol, the TAB flights are filled with pax from POS anyways. Unless there is a significant tourism plan for TAB and marketed to the US, the loads will remain low. No the flights are no subsidized.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-08 15:49:06 and read 8487 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 128):

Thanks for the response.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-08 16:06:17 and read 8481 times.

The whole "Air Jamaica is gone and Jamaicans will kick out BW" tirade continues, huh? LOL!!

Nice to hear of B6 increasing service to UVF to daily during the summer! If the government of St. Lucia can secure United, that would be amazing! Not sure, however, which would be a better option between IAH and EWR.

What happened to the investigation of the BW overrun in Guyana? Is it still ongoing?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-08 16:14:56 and read 8473 times.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 130):
The whole "Air Jamaica is gone and Jamaicans will kick out BW" tirade continues, huh? LOL!!

Honestly the older I am getting the less I want to have these stupid and petty debates, let history and time determine the failure or success of the ventures. Let there be lessons learnt.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 130):
Nice to hear of B6 increasing service to UVF to daily during the summer! If the government of St. Lucia can secure United, that would be amazing! Not sure, however, which would be a better option between IAH and EWR.

EWR has multiple connections, however B6 also has more or less the same out of JFK, not sure UA would want to do this on a regular basis.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 130):
What happened to the investigation of the BW overrun in Guyana? Is it still ongoing?

Still ongoing, there was a preliminary report a couple weeks ago.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-08 16:28:02 and read 8466 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 128):
Leave well enough alone, lol, the TAB flights are filled with pax from POS anyways. Unless there is a significant tourism plan for TAB and marketed to the US, the loads will remain low. No the flights are no subsidized.

I got it! (LOL) How come Tobago is not marketed to the US? Seems like a wonderful destination. Since T&T has the resources how come tourism isn't a bigger $$ earner. Is it just government policies or something else. BW would benefit so much more.

IMO GORTT should invest and create a destination in POS and TAB (well TAB is already a destination so maybe just POS) to attract not just VFR but real tourists. Oil money will only be around so long. Then market both POS and TAB. It seems like such an opportunity. Then use POS as an intransit point between countries south and countries north, thereby expanding BW. It works for DXB and EK, also works for SIN and SQ.

Maybe too much to ask for...

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-08 16:49:54 and read 8449 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 132):
Then use POS as an intransit point between countries south and countries north, thereby expanding BW. It works for DXB and EK, also works for SIN and SQ.

Need to go that far to compare what lots of people would like to see BW turned into? When there is an airline based 1234mi west of POS doing a similar thing with much less resources (and limited ones too), a narrow-body-aircraft fleet, operating from an airport always small for them and a country where qualified workforce which can't keep with the airline growth..

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-08 17:16:44 and read 8429 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 131):
EWR has multiple connections, however B6 also has more or less the same out of JFK, not sure UA would want to do this on a regular basis.

IAH does have a better connection to the entire operation. Perhaps they can utilize that, and make EWR seasonal (ala POS). Now, if BW were to join Star Alliance, that may actually benefit UA

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 131):
Still ongoing, there was a preliminary report a couple weeks ago.

I see. I'm interested in knowing their findings.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-08 17:18:41 and read 8442 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 126):
Pilots arriving at GEO will be happy to know that the ILS apparently has been installed:

The ILS has been on test since about December last year. Works like a charm. Still awaiting Jepp Charts to be published however. The ILS-DME works upwards of 180NM which is quite impressive as they are known for being low range and not good beyond say 50NM. The DME co-located with the VOR is also back up too. With reference to the article, it is now a known fact the navaids and aerodrome lighting played no part in the CAL overrun.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-08 18:21:58 and read 8408 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 133):

Sacrilege, my apologies. Any idea when they will start GEO?

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 135):

That is great news, finally the GOG has done this. There was a complaint that there was some kind of redundant system that the GOG didn't bother to install because of costs. However, all in all much safer, great news for everyone.

A few years ago there was a near mid air collision between BW and DL save the quick actions of the pilots. Do you know if anything was installed to keep a/c safely apart over Guyana or close to GEO?

Based on the outcome of Nov 2011 elections it seems the expansion of GEO may be in jeopardy.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2012-03-08 18:26:06]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-08 19:57:30 and read 8358 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 136):
Any idea when they will start GEO?

Ask Belize-an Yellowtail, he doesn't know but knows how one should approach CM and start talks with them.
Be sure that any time I can, I push for GEO (and other Caribbean destinations including PBM) to get into CM network soon as I believe give those CM and passengers will come.

Now a TAB related question, How come TAB is almost unknown in Latinamerica? Surely it's not like Jamaica northern coast or CUR/AUA and Venezuelans are no longer the big leisure traveller they once were but it seems TAB tourist promoters lack lots of motivation or just don't believe in their product.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-08 23:03:46 and read 8343 times.

TAB still smells like fresh for me, I really had a good time there! CAL flights both on inbound and outbound are often late! the airport is sooo small I wonder how they handle VS and the other widebodies.... GOVTT should promote it a little more!







Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-08 23:06:26 and read 8334 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 125):
So what do you think of Mr Lalor's comments? Clearly more important than whether people think CAL/AJ has pretty planes or not?

The livery comment was in reply to the comment you made about people not being able to see the planes theyre going on. Anyway from the article you posted, it seems to support your claims somewhat, and I say somewhat because it doesnt state anywhere in the article the CURRENT Jamaican market share percentage and only the what the market share was in 2010 :

Quote:
Up to the time of the takeover of Air Jamaica by Caribbean Airlines in 2010, the airline catered for 60 percent of the Jamaican market

If you know the current market share percentage please do post it.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 130):
The whole "Air Jamaica is gone and Jamaicans will kick out BW" tirade continues, huh? LOL!!
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 131):
Honestly the older I am getting the less I want to have these stupid and petty debates, let history and time determine the failure or success of the ventures. Let there be lessons learnt.

I agree with both of you, this has gone on long enough IMO. Like I said in my previous posts, time will tell whether CAL/AJ will fail or succeed, and we need to move on from this.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-09 06:40:21 and read 8238 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 125):
CAL has purple quite prominent, not a color that most associate with happy thoughts.

As 817Dreamliiner said, you have your opinion and I have mine. However, you should not act as if your opinion is the only valid opinion.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 125):
Reliable service, airfares, friendly ground and cabin service, these are what gets people to select an airline.

Again, let's leave this to your opinion. With your way of thinking airlines are better off by using all-white liveries with no logos, right?

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-09 06:45:00 and read 8236 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 131):
Honestly the older I am getting the less I want to have these stupid and petty debates, let history and time determine the failure or success of the ventures. Let there be lessons learnt.

I agree with you completely and I usually also do that. They are indeed stupid, baseless and petty debates. Let's leave it to the time.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-09 10:50:12 and read 8157 times.

Just came across this article from a few weeks ago. Granted there are a few inaccuracies in the article, however the overall point is that the route is apparently not doing well. Inaccuracies being the "70 seat plane" and quoting Dash 8 operating cost figures.


7 people on 70-seat plane

By Andre Bagoo on assignment in St Lucia Friday, February 17 2012

CARIBBEAN Airlines Limited (CAL’s) new service to St Lucia is off to a bumpy start and threatens to cost taxpayers millions if the trend continues, according to the findings of a Newsday investigation.

The problems, which have become yet another headache for Caribbean Airlines chairman George Nicholas, come as the State continues to pump millions in subventions into the airline annually.

Flights to St Lucia, which were announced on January 19, began on February 10. Flight BW 434 has two flights daily: one at 1.45pm and another at 2.50pm. The flights land at George FL Charles International Airport, Castries.

http://newsday.co.tt/business/0,155516.html

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 11:05:19 and read 8154 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 143):

Emphasises my point that BW's chasing RD and EZJet is a dangerous game. Losses of 3 million TT$ ($500,000 USD) per month is no chump change. BW should assess the route before going after them head to head.

EZJet will get some market share with their low fares but they will not be able to sustain the route. I daresay REDjet is in a similar situation. BW should just reinforce their revenue routes and improve their service on those routes, or else they will go down with the competition.

Marketing 101 - don't compete with price if you cannot sustain the losses.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 11:09:05 and read 8141 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 138):

Lovely pics, make me wish I was there instead of in New York. I agree, Tobago should be promoted more, I hear the diving is superb.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-03-09 11:15:20 and read 8136 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 137):
Ask Belize-an Yellowtail, he doesn't know but knows how one should approach CM and start talks with them.

For a fee of course. I only work for free for Belize     

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-09 11:38:11 and read 8117 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 143):

The writer miss a big point, the flight he was on was going into UVF while the flights coming down to POS were sold out long before, during the carnival season. This was nothing short of a highly inaccurate piece once again by our favorite Newspaper.

Quoting A388 (Reply 141):

  

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 138):
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 145):
I agree, Tobago should be promoted more, I hear the diving is superb.

Tobago like any other island has a lot to offer, however the Government's policies are to the Energy sector mostly while Tourism decreases on the Island. I mentioned that we have a bunch of jokers running the country with no plan for this sector.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-09 11:55:29 and read 8110 times.

http://img.planespotters.net/photo/251000/original/F-HPTP-Air-Caraibes-Airbus-A330-300_PlanespottersNet_251244.jpg

I don't speak french, and had it translated from google:

Air Caribbean promises 100 free tickets for the poor

Air Caribbean announced that it will make available in ultramarine great social distress a hundred free tickets A / R between the mainland and the West Indies or Guyana. The transaction is subject to a partnership, which The agreement was signed this morning between Air Caribbean ministerial delegation for equal opportunities of the French Overseas, and the association's Cabin Social Caribbean. It is the association which will be responsible for selecting beneficiaries, ultramarine Caribbean and Guyanese living in the metropolis, and transmit their coordinates to the company.
http://www.pros-du-tourisme.com/actu...ets-gratuits-pour-les-demunis.html

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 11:59:14 and read 8105 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 147):
The writer miss a big point, the flight he was on was going into UVF while the flights coming down to POS were sold out long before, during the carnival season. This was nothing short of a highly inaccurate piece once again by our favorite Newspaper.

Happens all the time in the Guyana press. It did seem a little strange that BW would make such a big blunder. I still hold firm they should be careful with these direct head to head flights.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 12:26:14 and read 8086 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 149):

I may be wrong but I do believe they are referring to persons in French Guiana not Guyana. The French usually refer to French Guiana (Guyane francaise) as just Guyane shortening the name. Guyane when translated is Guyana, but they mean French Guiana.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-09 14:07:21 and read 8029 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 147):

Haven't heard from this airline in a while, does anyone know what their current fleet is like at the moment?

[Edited 2012-03-09 14:13:56]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-09 14:17:23 and read 8024 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 149):

You are right, but it was translated from google lol.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 150):

According to planespotters, 3 ATR72, 4 A333, 1 A332,and 1 E190

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-09 14:22:17 and read 8033 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 151):
According to planespotters, 3 ATR72, 4 A333, 1 A332,and 1 E190

Thanks alot caribbean484, but I thought they were supposed to have gotten rid of the A332 in favor of the A333? Or am I mistaken?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-09 14:28:01 and read 8029 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 152):
Thanks alot caribbean484, but I thought they were supposed to have gotten rid of the A332 in favor of the A333? Or am I mistaken?

That is what I thought, also, they ordered 3 A351 for replacement in 2017 or there about.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-09 14:41:21 and read 8012 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 153):
That is what I thought, also, they ordered 3 A351 for replacement in 2017 or there about.

Well, I assume they are just using it for charter purposes along with the A333s? Not sure if they have anymore on order via lease. The A350 order was interesting to me when I first heard about it, and if I remember correctly, it was quite a while ago this was announced and I dont think they were ever firmed.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-03-09 15:07:59 and read 8000 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 142):
Just came across this article from a few weeks ago. Granted there are a few inaccuracies in the article, however the overall point is that the route is apparently not doing well. Inaccuracies being the "70 seat plane" and quoting Dash 8 operating cost figures.


7 people on 70-seat plane

By Andre Bagoo on assignment in St Lucia Friday, February 17 2012

CARIBBEAN Airlines Limited (CAL’s) new service to St Lucia is off to a bumpy start and threatens to cost taxpayers millions if the trend continues, according to the findings of a Newsday investigation.

The problems, which have become yet another headache for Caribbean Airlines chairman George Nicholas, come as the State continues to pump millions in subventions into the airline annually.

Flights to St Lucia, which were announced on January 19, began on February 10. Flight BW 434 has two flights daily: one at 1.45pm and another at 2.50pm. The flights land at George FL Charles International Airport, Castries.

Well that article has some inaccuracies as you say, the route is flown by 50-seat Dash 8s (the ATRs mainly do TAB, CCS and BGI). Somehow though that schedule of BW does not lend itself to anyone wanting to go there for the day for business - I mean, an afternoon rotation after all. If this is meant to cater to Trini tourists visitng SLU then fine but of course BA do the route daily (albeit to UVF) and LI are ever present. This brings me to my main point here. As much as many bad-talk LI and their many problems as late, one fact is increasingly clear. LI and BW are simply NOT interchangeable, no matter how much some seem to think they are. They both originate in the Eastern Caribbean but that's about all which is really similar between them. LI have considerable know-how of inter-island routes and tend to optimise their schedules among a wide range of island pairs / groups - think that they have ANU - SXM, ANU - BGI, POS - BGI, POS - SVD, BGI - GEO, BGI - SLU operated daily and that is just the beginning of their network. BW largely mirrors their predecessors with a large trunk route network, albeit focused on POS and using 737s to several North American destinations. The approach needed for those sorts of operations is very different from island-hopping and so BW would tend to struggle against LI, with perhaps the main exception of POS - BGI which has always been strongly BW's and needs their higher airborne capacity. One hopes that BW's new regional routes work for them but LI will still hold their own notwithstanding their problems - or lack of fuel subsidy.



Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 146):

Tobago like any other island has a lot to offer, however the Government's policies are to the Energy sector mostly while Tourism decreases on the Island. I mentioned that we have a bunch of jokers running the country with no plan for this sector.

Once again the lack of direction towards tourism in T&T is glaring. Many of the other islands have managed to maintain decent arrivals in the face of major economic upheavals globally but TAB continues to slide, to the extent that BA will soon reduce service to just 1 weekly flight. This over-reliance on the energy sector is very myopic in my view - what happens when the oil and gas run out (there cannot be that much oil left in Trinidad anyway, given the small reserves and the considerable time they have been tapped). T&T politics though are heavily Trinidad-centric so Tobago issues tend to be sidelined and only determined leadership from Tobago can force their issues onto the national agenda.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-09 15:40:26 and read 7982 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 140):




If Logos were tbat importnat CAL would have done BWIA style logos. What ever one might say about them they were always congratualted for logos, colorful and very Caribbean. I used to see passengers who arrived on other airlines staring at BWIA planes in ANU and BGI.

CALs has a logo that could also work for Croatia Airlines. Really dont think it has the appeal. But guess what. Any measure of performance CAL is way better than BWIA in the areas that interest passengers even if their planes are very very bland. On time performance is what matters to people, plus decent in flight service. And fares no higher than the competition. Joe Blow wants to see his mama back home and will fly a white plane with no logo, if the pretty plane is awalys let and is a horror to use. Pretty BWEE planes, "but will it arrive" ,and numerous other jokes led folks even to chose charters.

White plane, purple letters and a humming bird. Almost meets the white plane with no logo.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 143):

BWIA made a mistake of ignoring Universal, TravelSpan and others and lost significant market share. A company must respond to the competition, by at least offering options. Not every flight has cheap fares to match EZ and RD, but for those who it matters the option is there. Put it this way the 527 is what will put EZ away, but if they ignored it EZ might well have been a problem for a year or two. GEO is too lucrative a market for CAL to risk losing.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 139):

Mr Lalor, a CAL Board member, and one most connected to Jamaica suggests that CAL has a problem with Jcans and that they dont have much time to fix this problem, especially with the impending end of fuel subsidies. Supporting airlines with millions of dollars of loses is a thing of the past. BWIA and Air Jamaica have proven this. They no longer exist and no one will tolerate unending cash supports when other priorities exist.

Even though a clear gap appears on the KIN LGW route with the pullout of VS, has there been any clear announcement of CAL filling the gap? Cut backs on PHL, and rumors of similar cut backs to JFK and YYZ all indicate a company which has to cut capacity to meet demand in order to minimize losses. MIA has loads of Jcan O&D traffic, yet CAl couldnt make it work, even at a level when they could have gradually built a market for themselves. Losses were clearly too big.

Mr Lalor knows way more on this than any of us here and I respect his opinion even if you dont.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 16:57:37 and read 7950 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 156):
BWIA made a mistake of ignoring Universal, TravelSpan and others and lost significant market share. A company must respond to the competition, by at least offering options. Not every flight has cheap fares to match EZ and RD, but for those who it matters the option is there. Put it this way the 527 is what will put EZ away, but if they ignored it EZ might well have been a problem for a year or two. GEO is too lucrative a market for CAL to risk losing.

Agreed they have to respond, but the response can differ from situation to situation. My take is that the Guyanese have had lots of experience with these unreliable charters. I believe, obviously, that some will use the service of EZJet, but most will stay away.

In addition, BW are responding to REDjet at the same time.

I don't know what BW's finances are, I know they seem to be stretched, so my point is, responding to each and every competitor with a parallel flight may, and I use the word may here, be expensive and put their finances in a worse situation.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW985
Posted 2012-03-09 17:18:55 and read 7939 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 142):
Just came across this article from a few weeks ago. Granted there are a few inaccuracies in the article, however the overall point is that the route is apparently not doing well. Inaccuracies being the "70 seat plane" and quoting Dash 8 operating cost figures.

A few inaccuracies? Nothing but inaccuries...

1) There is only one daily flight, not two. Departure is 13:45, arrival in St. Lucia is 14:50. The reporter thinks there is another flight departing at 14:50...
2) Redjet only flies between Barbados and St. Lucia, Caribbean Airlines only between Trinidad and St. Lucia...
3) "The flight had to be delayed for almost half-an-hour, incurring increased operating costs, because there were not enough passengers on the flight. Staff at the counter said the flight was delayed because this was a standard procedure when there are not enough passengers." LOL! What the reporter probably meant was that boarding started a few minutes later as it obviously does not take as long to board 7 passengers as it would to board 50 passengers... not rocket science... Or does anyone here know of a procedure to delay flights to increase operating cost?
4) The Dash-8 (Q300) has only got 50 seats, not 70...
5) I won't even bother to analyze his calculations, where he calculated the St. Lucia route is loosing $3 Million a month...
6) The St. Lucia flights started on 10 February and on 17 February he is already talking about failure of the route because he travelled on one flight that was not full...  
7) Of course it makes sense to start flights to Trinidad in the beginning of February, as a lot of St. Lucians will be visiting Trinidad for the carnival. Doesn't take a genius to figure that out...

It's quite shocking that a newspaper allows such ridiculous rubbish to be printed.

BW985

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-09 17:20:00 and read 7942 times.

http://119.82.71.76/kaieturnewsnew/Details.aspx?id=303&boxid=13243125

Surinam Airways ad for their upcoming GEO-MIA service in the Guyana daily Kaieteur News.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-09 18:20:55 and read 7907 times.

Trini prime-minister due to be in PTY Monday.
Is she going to fly BW ATR to PTY?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-03-10 06:58:27 and read 7793 times.

is BW upgrading the CCS route to a double daily flight?
just saw loaded for a randoom flight in September BW-310 leaving POS at 17:25 hours.
anybody has more info about this, how often per week it will be operated and when it will start?

Cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-10 07:07:09 and read 7786 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 160):

better to go on CM bizz class?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-10 09:24:07 and read 7754 times.

EZjet responded to reports in the Kaietuer News. This is a report from the Stabroek News which I edited for length. EZjet is now using a North American 763 as their Dymanic Airways 762 has mechanical problems. They have Richard Lee (NAA) and Richard DuBois (World Airways) working for them. Not very reassuring them saying that if the flight isn't full they will cancel it and place the pax on other airlines.


"EZjet announces expansion
–CEO says Jagdeo not among investors
By Alva Solomon || Saturday, March 10, 2012
EZjet Air Services Limited’s CEO Sonny Ramdeo yesterday announced plans to expand the charter service to an airline, putting to rest rumours about the company’s finances and its backers, including a connection to former President Bharrat Jagdeo.

Ramdeo, along with a team of officials who worked with other airlines in the United States, including North American airlines, announced that among the service’s short-term aims is the recruitment of 24 Guyanese flight attendants.

The new airline, which started operating a Boeing 767 aircraft on weekly flights between Guyana and JFK airport in New York in December last year, has faced much scrutiny about its founders and core investors.

Sonny Ramdeo

“The charter programme is an option for us to build the airline,” he said, while denying reports that the venture had been operating at a loss since its establishment. In January, he said, EZjet transported 4,300 passengers, while last month, it had 7,500 passengers. He said that tickets were only being sold in the US prior to the commencement of flights, since, according to him, the company is not too dependent on the market here until its support base is established and fortified.

He said the company forecast a loss during the planning] process, but “we are not operating at a loss as has been carried [in the press].” He said that if there were a small number of passengers, the company would rebook the passengers to other flights or other carriers and cancel the flight.

Ramdeo said flights have been paying for themselves and reiterated, “We are not a scheduled airline even though we operate on a regular schedule.”

“The fact that I have a $300,000 mortgage has no bearing whatsoever on a business idea that I have. What would I do tomorrow if I do pay off my mortgage?” he asked. He stated too that the airline operates with 1,500 gallons of fuel per flight and pays about US$2.92 per gallon, adding that the company does not benefit from government subsidies.

Richard Lee, an EZjet executive and former executive of North American Airlines which once travelled the Guyana-JFK route said he has seen airlines come and go here, but EZjet is working with a business model that has proven to be successful.

He said he also worked with the defunct Universal Airlines, and according to him, initially that airline functioned as a good venture but he noted that the airline’s executives chose to go their own route in terms of planning for the venture.

As regards EZjet, he said, “We are in this initial period of capturing the market share to reach where the airline wants to be,” adding that passengers remain the major revenue gainer for an airline; cargo and mail being among ancillary revenue sources.

Former World Airways administrator, Richard DuBois, is also an EZjet executive.

Meantime, Ramdeo noted that since EZjet’s entrance into the travel market here, the price of tickets for the route has dropped from approximately US$320 to US$200. “It speaks volumes of the market capture that we have done within the industry,” he said.

He said EZjet will soon recruit 24 flight attendants from Guyana as the airline attempts to reduce costs and continue to support its operations. The airline also plans to expand with flights to Toronto and later operate within the Caribbean region.

He said that the company’s charter expires in July this year but the airline has already applied for an extension of the lease."


GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: Avianca
Posted 2012-03-10 10:02:53 and read 7747 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 163):
Dymanic Airways 762 has mechanical problems.

a thats why I saw last week in GEO the aircraft stranded ....
how often are they noramlly flying?

Cheers
Avianca

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-10 10:06:34 and read 7744 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 163):
Quoting Avianca (Reply 164):

They are flying 5 times a week and downgraded to 4, with Sun Country 738 sometime in April. To me this stinks high heaven of corruption and mismanagement. According to reports in the last month there have been so many delays from this airline its not funny. And now he want to fly unprofitable Caribbean routes lol,.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-10 10:13:24 and read 7745 times.

This is another report on them
"Dozens of passengers flying EZ-Jet were left stranded on Saturday morning at the Cheddi jagan International Airport (CJIA) Timerhi, after the airline canceled its flight to New York.
Sources close to the airline told Inews Guyana that the cancellation by the airline, was as a result of financial problems and lack of the ability to get full flights.
This comes on the heels of the airlines, Chief Executive Officer Sunny Ramdeo claiming on Friday that the carrier is viable is not operating at a loss.
Ramdeo also stated that since its operations in Guyana is has been “doing well” and transported in excess of four thousand passengers."
http://www.inewsgy.com/2012/03/10/another-ez-jet-flight-canceled/

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-10 11:02:38 and read 7706 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 166):

Agree with you, they're off to a bad start. How will the traveling public trust them?

Check their facebook page to get an idea of the numerous delays.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2012-03-10 11:07:01]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-10 11:08:13 and read 7718 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 164):

About 5 times per week.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-10 11:50:26 and read 7675 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 156):
I used to see passengers who arrived on other airlines staring at BWIA planes in ANU and BGI.

Ohhh, so now passengers do watch airline liveries? I thaught they just board the aircraft and have no time to watch an airline livery?

Quoting guyanam (Reply 156):
White plane, purple letters and a humming bird. Almost meets the white plane with no logo.

While most airlines around the world use this type of euro-white livery, it is okay but with Caribbean Airlines it is not okay? Again this is only your opinion, nothing more.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-10 23:33:41 and read 7547 times.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 161):
is BW upgrading the CCS route to a double daily flight?
just saw loaded for a randoom flight in September BW-310 leaving POS at 17:25 hours.
anybody has more info about this, how often per week it will be operated and when it will start?

The extra CCS flight is a usual flight that is added during peak seasons. BW 310 normally runs 3x weekly when its added.

I would think that this is will start sometime near to summer as it always has, if it isn't already operating.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 166):
This is another report on them
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 167):
Agree with you, they're off to a bad start. How will the traveling public trust them?

Check their facebook page to get an idea of the numerous delays.

EZjet has fulfilled our prophecies to a tee. Sonny Ramdeo doesn't seem to be a person worth talking about anyway. I remember seeing him complain on a CAL related FB page about a CAL flight he was on from YYZ that had to turn back because of some technical difficulty, insinuating that CAL doesn't maintain its planes and are unsafe. Idiotic at its least.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-11 04:49:03 and read 7513 times.

Saw this posted on CAL's facebook page:

Caribbean Airlines breaks record for carnival passenger numbers:

Quote:
Caribbean Airlines recorded one of its busiest seasons over the just concluded Carnival period. Between January and the first week of March, the airline transported over 217,000 passengers system wide.
When compared to the same period in 2011, the 2012 numbers represent a 41% increase.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...5.10150096495755651&type=1&theater

Also on their site:

http://www.caribbean-airlines.com/in...rd-for-carnival-passenger-numbers-

A 41% increase is pretty significant if you ask me, good for CAL  bigthumbsup , I think we'll see the 747 again next year for sure Smile

[Edited 2012-03-11 04:52:24]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-11 10:39:20 and read 7417 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 171):
Caribbean Airlines breaks record for carnival passenger numbers:

That is always good news for any airline. I was amazed that they leased a 747-400 to carry passengers, very impressive!!! Congratulations to Caribbean Airlines.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-12 07:44:12 and read 7224 times.

From Redjet Facebook page!

"Happy Monday REDjetters! It's the start of a new week and we have a new route for you! We're happy to announce our 9th route between Barbados and Antigua! Tickets go on sale on Wednesday 14th March from as low as $16.99! Flights start on June 6th so book now!"

I can already see LIAT spiting fire!

Anyone knows if they'll really anounce PBM this year?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: wadadli
Posted 2012-03-12 09:18:09 and read 7195 times.

[quote=andrefranca,reply=173]From Redjet Facebook page!

"Happy Monday REDjetters! It's the start of a new week and we have a new route for you! We're happy to announce our 9th route between Barbados and Antigua! Tickets go on sale on Wednesday 14th March from as low as $16.99! Flights start on June 6th so book now!"

I can already see LIAT spiting fire!


REDjet has clearly declared war as they now move directly into LIAT's other homefront. I figured it was the BGI-ANU-BGI route they wanted in the first place (more so than GEO-ANU-GEO as passenger could conenct through the BGI hub) but had not been granted the required approvals as the governments protect LI. Point to Point flying was one of their selling points so I wonder if they will still maintain GEO-ANU-GEO in addition to the BGI flights. Anyone have any info? Having less than daily flights will automaically put RD at a disadvantage as many persons are like myself who want to go in and out the same day or next day for regional trips. Needless to say, this move will drive down the fares on this cashcow route an ultimately LI revenues.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-12 09:51:48 and read 7177 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 174):

Yes, now I want to see how they'll squeeze around with their MD's 

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-12 10:46:29 and read 7153 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 173):
"Happy Monday REDjetters! It's the start of a new week and we have a new route for you! We're happy to announce our 9th route between Barbados and Antigua! Tickets go on sale on Wednesday 14th March from as low as $16.99! Flights start on June 6th so book now!"

I can already see LIAT spiting fire!

Is it safe to say BW will now (re)introduce its BGI-ANU-KIN-ANU-BGI flight? The good old 414/415 milk run? I vote for yes.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-12 10:57:13 and read 7157 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 174):

Depending on the demand, as they have the data now. Maybe they will do it like their GEO-KIN route where you have to go through POS or BGI.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 176):

Well it seems like a real possibility based on how they're not rolling over on any route.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 175):

That will be tough for them, especially with fuel prices and aggressive competition.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-12 11:17:14 and read 7135 times.

Given the schedule in the article below, once again it appears the aircraft will be sitting in ANU for a considerable length of time. I'm sure the Airport Authority in ANU will not be pleased as ramp positions have become quite scarce on weekends.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/new...t-launches-barbados-antigua-route/

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-12 11:38:08 and read 7118 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 178):
Given the schedule in the article below, once again it appears the aircraft will be sitting in ANU for a considerable length of time. I'm sure the Airport Authority in ANU will not be pleased as ramp positions have become quite scarce on weekends.

http://www.stabroeknews.com/2012/new...t-launches-barbados-antigua-route/

Well apparently its not wrong, from the article you posted:

Quote:
Wednesdays service will operate as RD160, departing Barbados at 8:15am and arriving into Antigua at 9:30am and RD161 from Antigua at 4:30pm, returning to Barbados at 5:45pm. REDjet’s Saturday service will depart Barbados at 09:00am and arrive into Antigua at 10:15am with the return leg from Antigua at 17:15, returning to Barbados at 18:30, ideal for leisure travel.


Also on their site:

http://www.flyredjet.com/en/news/red...aunches-9th-route-barbados-antigua

What are they thinking? How can they have the aircraft on the ground so long? During that down time the aircraft could be utilized on other routes during that time.

[Edited 2012-03-12 11:58:33]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-12 11:58:27 and read 7111 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 157):

The JFK GEO might have been a response to Delta which also cut airfares. 3 carriers is definitely excessive so the two giants are attempting to squeeze out the dwarf. With these recent reports its "here we go again" and, with competitive fares and BOTH airlines offering nonstops, no need to tray out the new and unproven. They will be gone by the summer. If not I am sure CAL will put their spanking "new" 767s to good use with a JFK GEO nonstop. Hopefully with an aggressive marketing pitch.


Last time BWIA got arrogant, over charged Guyanese who fled to Universl, even though there were initially skeptical. CAL is not given any one a chance to check out the competition. Lucky for CAL the ex President of Guyana is rumored to ahve ties with these investors so those who dont like him ensure that every EZ jet mishap get full publicity.


CAL apparently will incur short term losses to protect a very profitable route. Some times one just has to do this.

Quoting BW985 (Reply 158):


As others have stated this guy usually wants to sensationalize. He reports the RETURN flight to POS as the second flight.In any case who takes one flight to gauge the performance of a route. Dont know whether this flight is profitable (it just started) or not but this article lacks credibility as its filled with inaccuracies. Given the leisure traffic and business traffic originating in POS and destined to SLU I am sure that CAL should pull some share from LIAT with its ageing planes and reputation for unreliability, and its lack of an FF plan.



Quoting wadadli (Reply 174):



It seems odd that ANU BGI which is filled with passengers traveling for one day, 2 or 3 will work only 2X per week. They have to fill most of their 150 seats. They have no feed from points north of ANU or south of BGI as LIAT does.

Why does RD do this, and then blame every one when it doesnt work? Its obvious RD doesnt ahve the bility to develop routes approprita eto their equipment so are now developing routes which are INAPPROPRIATE.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-12 12:53:22 and read 7080 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 180):

Well the time when persons jumped to Universal Airlines there weren't as many failed airlines on the JFK-GEO. The travelling public has definitely learned their lesson. Having said that, I find that most Guyanese VFR's go through a travel agent that can "help them get a good fare", therefore EZjet will get some of those pax.

Even with this EZjet will not be able to sustain itself unless there are investors willing to lose a lot more money. That may sustain it past the summer, but not much after that, BW and DL will be tough cookies to tangle with.

Your comment on the Ex-President is very true, that was the basis of the investigations from Kaieteur News. I am not totally convinced that he is not somehow involved, pardon my bad English.

I don't know how Fly Jamaica will be able to make it, they may give up their GEO leg quickly. I do wish them the best.

I can tell you I am enjoying the fares, I am scheduled to be on BW526 in April.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: wadadli
Posted 2012-03-12 14:01:49 and read 7051 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 178):
Given the schedule in the article below, once again it appears the aircraft will be sitting in ANU for a considerable length of time. I'm sure the Airport Authority in ANU will not be pleased as ramp positions have become quite scarce on weekends.

Yes that would definitely be a problem relating to ramp space. I suspect its going to be a BGI-ANU-GEO-ANU-BGI route though as the BGI flights are on the same flight days as GEO with the exeption of Monday as GEO-ANU-GEO goes to 3X weekly from April (mon,wed,sat). Therefore, that may explain aircraft utilization during those almost 9 HRS on wed & sat. I'm still clueless as to what they will be doing with the aircraft that will be doing BGI-SXM-BGI for the 12 hours in SXM.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-12 14:40:21 and read 7040 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 178):
Quoting wadadli (Reply 182):

Check out this pdf file of flights in and out of GEO. It changes as the schedules change. This will give you an idea of how RD will be scheduling their flights regarding GEO. You may have to check it back when they start the Saturday Antigua flight.

http://www.cjairport-gy.com/sub/CJIA_Flights.pdf

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-12 15:53:53 and read 7007 times.

At this point in the game would it be too late for RD to return the MD83's and perhaps lease some ATR's or Dash 8's most days they have at least one aircraft parked for the whole day in BGI which often do test flights I cant see the rationale of acquiring more aircraft instead of using these funds for aircraft the money would perhaps be better spent on the Barbados Civil Aviation Authority to help BGI regain CAT1 status. I believe RD's only chance for survival would be operating North American routes. As it stands currently can RD operate to YYZ? I don't know if the MD83 has the legs for the route but just curious.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-12 21:35:52 and read 6906 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 179):
What are they thinking? How can they have the aircraft on the ground so long? During that down time the aircraft could be utilized on other routes during that time.

I am not understanding how their planning departments work, those planes will stay on the ground to make sure people get a full day work or shopping?

Quoting wadadli (Reply 182):
Yes that would definitely be a problem relating to ramp space. I suspect its going to be a BGI-ANU-GEO-ANU-BGI route though as the BGI flights are on the same flight days as GEO with the exeption of Monday as GEO-ANU-GEO goes to 3X weekly from April (mon,wed,sat).

lol as if ANU needed this, could be that they want to do such routing, we will have to see how this pans out.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 184):

They would have serious trouble getting those MD80s at a reasonable price, because of the fuel environment those a.cs are being used a parts. ATR or Dash8 would have been much better for their operations in the Caribbean but I suppose they are stuck trying to service Jamaica.

They have re-uploaded their BGI-SLU flights to 2w Sat and Mon.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 181):
Even with this EZjet will not be able to sustain itself unless there are investors willing to lose a lot more money. That may sustain it past the summer, but not much after that, BW and DL will be tough cookies to tangle with.

I too am not convinced that he too has a hand in all of this, but anyways its interesting to see how someone has a US$300000 mortgage, works in a simple company and has US$1.5m to spend on an airline, that is simply amazing.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 181):
I don't know how Fly Jamaica will be able to make it, they may give up their GEO leg quickly. I do wish them the best.

I can tell you I am enjoying the fares, I am scheduled to be on BW526 in April.

Nice man do a trip report for us lol. I am not convinced how FlyJamaica/Guyana can last in all of this. EZjet is losing tons of money and I expect them to also. These people are running an airline based on emotions and not on sound business plan as clearly demonstrated in EZjet. The only persons benefiting from all this are customers as they are getting better fares, shareholders are losing their investments.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-13 04:51:08 and read 6856 times.

Quoting wadadli (Reply 182):
I'm still clueless as to what they will be doing with the aircraft that will be doing BGI-SXM-BGI for the 12 hours in SXM.

If they are allowed to do a SXM-CUR-SXM, SXM-SDQ-SXM or SXM-PAP-SXM, that's all possible and all are routes with limited competition of airlines also operating the MD80 on the route. The aviation authorities just need to grant them fifth freedom rights for those routes but I don't know how flexible the current air service agreements are.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-13 06:40:38 and read 6831 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 186):
If they are allowed to do a SXM-CUR-SXM, SXM-SDQ-SXM or SXM-PAP-SXM, that's all possible and all are routes with limited competition of airlines also operating the MD80 on the route. The aviation authorities just need to grant them fifth freedom rights for those routes but I don't know how flexible the current air service agreements are.

I'd not hold my breath on Bajan RedJet getting the 5ths for a SXM-CUR-SXM since both islands actually are part of the Netherlands. It'd be like a non-US airline getting 5ths for SJU-STT-SJU.
The other routes (SDQ or PAP) seem to be attractive and potentially profitable, but would have some doubts for SXM-STI/POP-SXM or SXM-PUJ-SXM as traffic seems to be more SDQ oriented but who knows.

And in Panama-Caribbean related news, Trini prime-minister signed energy agreement with Panama. But there were no news if POS wants more CM frequencies.
Does POS already need PTY-POS evenings and POS-PTY early mornings a couple of days per week?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-13 07:53:42 and read 6799 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 187):
I'd not hold my breath on Bajan RedJet getting the 5ths for a SXM-CUR-SXM since both islands actually are part of the Netherlands. It'd be like a non-US airline getting 5ths for SJU-STT-SJU.

Not entirely true. I don't think the government of St. Maarten is going to deny an airline who has the potential to generate extra income for the island. The Netherlands also doesn't have any say in to who is allowed or not allowed to fly to SXM. That is St. Maarten's decision to take.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-13 08:07:14 and read 6794 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 188):
Not entirely true. I don't think the government of St. Maarten is going to deny an airline who has the potential to generate extra income for the island. The Netherlands also doesn't have any say in to who is allowed or not allowed to fly to SXM. That is St. Maarten's decision to take.

I flew AUA-CUR-AUA and it was kind of "international" except for the different Airport use passenger fee (or departure tax), which may be the likes of a SXM-CUR-SXM service. However I can't imagine a non AUA or non CUR based or even non Dutch airline flying that route..

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-13 08:38:54 and read 6788 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 189):
I flew AUA-CUR-AUA and it was kind of "international" except for the different Airport use passenger fee (or departure tax), which may be the likes of a SXM-CUR-SXM service. However I can't imagine a non AUA or non CUR based or even non Dutch airline flying that route..

I know it is difficult but as long as St. Maarten itself doesn't have an airline that can fly such routes, in my opinion there might be a possibility for a foreign airline to operate the route from St. Maarten, even though that possibility is very small. The islands of the former Netherlands Antilles have said that the intra-island traffic must be regulated by their own airlines but St. Maarten's airline (Winair) doesn't have the equipment to operate the route. If REDJet can offer them to operate the route for them, who knows what's possible. If an existing local airline (Insel Air or DAE) has the national airline status in St. Maarten, then it is a different story but if not, any airline can operate on behalf of the local airline in St. Maarten. Why would airlines from Curacao be allowed to fly the route and St. Maarten doesn't? This is just my opinion.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-13 09:14:03 and read 6762 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 188):
Not entirely true. I don't think the government of St. Maarten is going to deny an airline who has the potential to generate extra income for the island. The Netherlands also doesn't have any say in to who is allowed or not allowed to fly to SXM. That is St. Maarten's decision to take.

But don't you think guys that this route SXM-CUR is overserved? you've got:

DAE with their F100+ATR's
Insel with their MD's
KLM with their 747/MD-11 transiting from AMS (Can they sell SXM-CUR ?)

So plus another RD MD's?

Well we can expect anything from RD... but who knows?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-03-13 10:28:17 and read 6738 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 187):
And in Panama-Caribbean related news, Trini prime-minister signed energy agreement with Panama. But there were no news if POS wants more CM frequencies.
Does POS already need PTY-POS evenings and POS-PTY early mornings a couple of days per week?

Loads are OK, but i don't think it warrants an increase in freq just yet.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-13 11:13:14 and read 6713 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 191):
But don't you think guys that this route SXM-CUR is overserved? you've got:

DAE with their F100+ATR's
Insel with their MD's
KLM with their 747/MD-11 transiting from AMS (Can they sell SXM-CUR ?)

The market seems over-served but a low cost airline focuses on a different (unserved) market. So yes, the current market is over-served but you don't know the size of a potential low cost market.

KLM doesn't have fifth freedom rights between the island in the Dutch Caribbean.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-13 11:22:25 and read 6706 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 192):
Loads are OK, but i don't think it warrants an increase in freq just yet.

An evening PTY-POS and morning POS-PTY will give POS - for what it's worth - immediate connections @PTY to/from IAH, KIN/MBJ, NAS, PAP, LAS+ORD (well those ones, at least no overnight).

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-03-13 11:52:00 and read 6697 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 194):
An evening PTY-POS and morning POS-PTY will give POS - for what it's worth - immediate connections @PTY to/from IAH, KIN/MBJ, NAS, PAP, LAS+ORD (well those ones, at least no overnight).

I would have to disagree and say the only meaningful traffic CM would get on the schedule you speak of would be PTY traffic. To North America, better they go via MIA or IAH...to Kin etc....BW is a far more convenient choice.

If CM upgrades any route soon it will be NAS....LFs there are very very high...hard to get a seat if you are non-revving.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-13 12:35:52 and read 6680 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 181):

The Caribbean VFR market has two types, the younger and/or better educated person who books online. And the less educated, usually older person who still uses travel agents. Given the realities large numbers of VFR will also lack computer access. So this is why CAL had to match EZjet and why even Delta (usually unresponsive to the VFR) also did so. Also changing their flights from a Tu,we,th,su to a Mo,we,sa,su which might be more popular. CAL had to deal with EZ jet to prevent them from establishing a toe hold. Now bad publicity and the fact that they arent cheaper, will ensure EZjets easy dispatch to the place where so many filed Guyanese carriers have died.

Despite the enthusiasm of the guys on the Jamaica thread, dont see why FlyJamaica will succeed. Even though Jamaicans arent that enthused by CAL. Too many carriers on the route.....and I suspect they will take CAL, with a tried and true rep (despite being "dat Trini ting"), over some unknown quality "even though it come from Yard". People will not take patriotism to such extremes. Money is too scarce these days.

Quoting A388 (Reply 186):

Will Inselair/DAE allow Redjet in? Even though SXM and CUR are now separate entities will they not exert pressure? By blocking such applications and other tactics?

Maybe RD can do KIN SXM. This is a very price sensitive sector with its migrant workers and higglers. RDs problem remains a 150 seat a/c. Now had they used a 70 seater there would be more flexibility in which routes will work and which will not...so the problem of routes currently well served would be less of a challenge.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-13 13:32:32 and read 6654 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 196):
Will Inselair/DAE allow Redjet in? Even though SXM and CUR are now separate entities will they not exert pressure? By blocking such applications and other tactics?

Any airline will oppose any new thread in their own markets but whether the aviation authorities will react in the same way, I do not know. They can but don't have to. Insel Air and DAE are privately run airlines, not government owned.

A388

[Edited 2012-03-13 13:34:17]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-13 15:11:14 and read 6621 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 197):

What type of people fly between SXM and CUR? is it business intensive? Are they price sensitive? Is their brand loyalty to the 2 Curacao carriers?

I can see SXM SDQ as part of a BGI SXM SDQ. Price sensitive market a smany migrants will use it. But again large a/c and low yield limit frequencies and force high LF in order to break even. SXM BGI will work if there were maybe 3-4X with a 70 seater. But with most going for short trips LIAT wins hands down.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-14 04:17:58 and read 6513 times.

Don't think anyone responded can RD operate flights to Canada from BGI?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-14 04:38:51 and read 6508 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 198):
What type of people fly between SXM and CUR? is it business intensive? Are they price sensitive? Is their brand loyalty to the 2 Curacao carriers?

I don't have insight in to the market size but surely more people will travel on this route if low cost prices are offered. The market consists of both VFR and business travel. I'm not aware of brand loyalty to the two local carriers in Curacao as the people here are happy that they can chose.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-14 05:01:10 and read 6518 times.

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A388 

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: aa1818
Posted 2012-03-14 05:44:03 and read 6494 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 199):

Don't think anyone responded can RD operate flights to Canada from BGI?

I suppose they could, once they got the route authority/ permission from Canada. Could the MDs do BGI-YYZ?

AA1818

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-14 06:02:49 and read 6483 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 202):
I suppose they could, once they got the route authority/ permission from Canada. Could the MDs do BGI-YYZ?

On a straight line BGI-YYZ are 2.100 Nautical miles, the MD-83 and MD-87 pass these with a very low range... if you take the weather and cargo+pax+fuel... well it wouldn't be a good idea.

Quoting A388 (Reply 201):
Don't you just love those Venezuelan classic 737's with the sunglasses?

OMG they're still around?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-14 07:42:11 and read 6456 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 202):
I suppose they could, once they got the route authority/ permission from Canada. Could the MDs do BGI-YYZ?

AA1818

Barbados is a FAA Category 2 airport, if the Canadian aviation authorities follow that FAA ruling, REDJet is not allowed to fly to Canada.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-14 08:15:01 and read 6443 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 195):
I would have to disagree and say the only meaningful traffic CM would get on the schedule you speak of would be PTY traffic. To North America, better they go via MIA or IAH...to Kin etc....BW is a far more convenient choice.

How many and how often passengers are dumped from UA POS-IAH? Any passengers not able to fly UA POS-IAH could be re-routed via PTY CM-UA if CM had a morning POS-PTY.
How many miles Mileage Plus members earn each time they fly BW? I agree BW is more convenient if flying to MIA, Jamaica but there are always passengers around eager to earn miles or be able to use them.

For the 1st time in a very long time, I hear CM radio ads. CM is heavily promoting CUR. Haven't hear that kind of promotion for MBJ, NAS or SXM. Perhaps last time CM did something like that was for ADZ.

[Edited 2012-03-14 08:28:42]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-14 10:57:51 and read 6393 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 199):
Don't think anyone responded can RD operate flights to Canada from BGI?
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 203):

The MD82 cannot reach Canada, and the MD83 they have will be severely weight restricted into getting

Quoting guyanam (Reply 196):
Despite the enthusiasm of the guys on the Jamaica thread, dont see why FlyJamaica will succeed. Even though Jamaicans arent that enthused by CAL. Too many carriers on the route.....and I suspect they will take CAL, with a tried and true rep (despite being "dat Trini ting"), over some unknown quality "even though it come from Yard". People will not take patriotism to such extremes. Money is too scarce these days.

We have to look at this in the context of high energy prices, WN is already reporting a loss for the 1st quarter and even the low cost airlines are reporting a significant decrease in profits.
I am trying to figure out how all they start up expect to stay in the markets with the limited cash on hand they have.

FYI DL is seemingly dropping its JFK-GND-JFK services from September, not sure if it is seasonal.

[Edited 2012-03-14 11:36:18]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-14 11:51:58 and read 6365 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 206):

As some one said of EZ jet, people get emotional about starting airlines, and forget how expensive they are to operate. In tough economic time speople will be very conservative about which carriers they use, especially as the existing carriers will most likely match fares, as BW and DL did on the JFK GEO route, to enhance the probably of EZ's early death.

DL seems to have been scaling back their JFK GND for a while now. Evidently Grenadians didnt like their high fares and galloped to BW. Some even going via POS.

Dont know if on again off again works for VFR routes as it does for leisure routes. After all if people arent sure whether an airline is operating if needed for an emergency they will switch to one which does 24/7. non peak travel is especially known to be spontaneous...death in family, or some other personal need to travel...or just temptation by cheap fares home.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-14 13:42:56 and read 6312 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 207):
DL seems to have been scaling back their JFK GND for a while now. Evidently Grenadians didnt like their high fares and galloped to BW. Some even going via POS.

Well it looks like it is season as it will be back for the Christmas rush again.

We don't talk about our friends in the north, however

Bahamasair loses $24 million
http://news.barbadostoday.bb/barticl...loses%20$24%20million&article=5511
"Bahamasair's net loss nearly doubled in the 2009/2010 fiscal year to almost $24 million as compared to the net loss recorded the previous fiscal year, according to the airline's latest annual report.
The 2009/2010 Bahamasair report was tabled in the House of Assembly by Minister of Public Works and Transport Neko Grant."

Not sure what they have to do, maybe a fleet change, what happened to they wanting to purchase Q400s? I think they should have gotten rid of their 732s a long time ago, and re-fleeted.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-14 13:51:35 and read 6306 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 208):
Not sure what they have to do, maybe a fleet change, what happened to they wanting to purchase Q400s? I think they should have gotten rid of their 732s a long time ago, and re-fleeted.

I think the question is whether Bahamasair is still really needed. They don't seem to care much about their fleet as they still fly around with very old jet aircraft (and to my knowledge their Dash-8's aren't that young anymore either). They should have gotten rid of those 737's much earlier. Besides this, to my knowledge the Bahamas islands have sufficient connections through other airlines to North America, is that correct? If so, the question remains whether Bahamasair is still really needed?

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: andrefranca
Posted 2012-03-14 14:13:09 and read 6302 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 209):
the question remains whether Bahamasair is still really needed?

Bahamasair and Cayman air...

1- They're too US focused!
2- Their fleet is aging, they don't have a strong FF program
3- Their competitors have better connections and service
4- Does anyone know their mission, vision, values?

there are so many new markets they could try into PTY, SJO, BOG, CCS, GRU or maybe caribbean kangoroo routes? NAS-SXM-BGI-POS and back...

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-14 17:47:12 and read 6238 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 208):

Interesting, I was just mentioning the same thing a few responses back. Didn't quite get the response you did. I do believe that if we had more contributors from those countries we would have a better dialogue on these airlines.

It seems Bahamasair, as does Cayman Airways, have found themselves in a hole without enough capitalization. They just exist with a small focus, to bring US tourists.

Cayman has been working with Alitalia recently (check my post above).

I am stuck at JFK again on my way to SFO, weather delay. VX made it very clear they are not responsible for the weather and if I leave JFK and miss the flight I forfeit my ticket. BW doesn't seem so bad now(lol).

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-14 18:13:52 and read 6230 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 201):
Don't you just love those Venezuelan classic 737's with the sunglasses?

Forget those!! That GOL 738 photo is SICK!!!!!

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 211):
I am stuck at JFK again on my way to SFO, weather delay. VX made it very clear they are not responsible for the weather and if I leave JFK and miss the flight I forfeit my ticket. BW doesn't seem so bad now(lol).

LOL! How bad is the delay? Who's weather? If it's SFO, then they are running on a flow program. Usually, the FAA makes allowances for the trans-cons.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-14 18:18:26 and read 6222 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 209):
I think the question is whether Bahamasair is still really needed.
Quoting A388 (Reply 209):
I think the question is whether Bahamasair is still really needed. They don't seem to care much about their fleet as they still fly around with very old jet aircraft (and to my knowledge their Dash-8's aren't that young anymore either). They should have gotten rid of those 737's much earlier.
Quoting A388 (Reply 209):
Besides this, to my knowledge the Bahamas islands have sufficient connections through other airlines to North America, is that correct? If so, the question remains whether Bahamasair is still really needed?
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 211):
Interesting, I was just mentioning the same thing a few responses back. Didn't quite get the response you did. I do believe that if we had more contributors from those countries we would have a better dialogue on these airlines.

It seems Bahamasair, as does Cayman Airways, have found themselves in a hole without enough capitalization. They just exist with a small focus, to bring US tourists.
Quoting andrefranca (Reply 210):
Bahamasair and Cayman air...

This is where we have a conundrum with both these airlines, Bahamasair a couple of years ago wanted to re-fleet with the Q400, I believe they even had a demonstrations on this.

South Florida has a large Bahamian community, most work in the cruise and all round tourism industry taking that education back to the island.

IMO both these airlines continue to chase the tourism market with the big US airlines, and to be certain they mostly carry Bahamians on those flights. They have little capital to expand and replace their fleet, re-brand their image and get a proper management structure in place to lower cost.

For example, Bahamasair focuses only on South Florida market, all they need to have is the Q400 or Ejets to bring up efficiency and better customer experience. Their load factor here is not stellar at all, and mostly because of complaints about the long delays and aging a/c compare to their competitors.

Honestly, the Governments will have to make a decision on what to do with their airlines, in Cayman they seem interested in keeping theirs while Bahamas is on a rope with theirs.


Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 211):
I am stuck at JFK again on my way to SFO, weather delay. VX made it very clear they are not responsible for the weather and if I leave JFK and miss the flight I forfeit my ticket.

Funny I traveled with them a couple of weeks ago on business, the experience was nice, but with the passenger amendment, airlines will outright cancel flights than have tarmac delays.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-14 18:20:51 and read 6217 times.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 212):

SFO, and it's 3-1/2 hours. All VX flights to SFO are delayed about the same amount of time. It's been raining heavily in SFO for a few days now and forecasted all week. It's going to be a fun trip.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-14 20:52:46 and read 6156 times.

Quoting trintocan (Reply 155):
what happens when the oil and gas run out (there cannot be that much oil left in Trinidad anyway, given the small reserves and the considerable time they have been tapped). T&T politics though are heavily Trinidad-centric so Tobago issues tend to be sidelined and only determined leadership from Tobago can force their issues onto the national agenda.

Not turning this into an energy forum, but one thing I learnt in Geology is that oilfields while depleted will somehow have more oil due to tectonic plate action, that is as simple as I can put it lol. Oil in T&T is now deep under water where there are possibly 100's of billions of barrels still to be tapped and one oil company recently found over 30m barrels of oil. It is expected more to be found in the coming months, and even large gas field finds.

Now with all that it means the Government will continue to maintain the economy with energy upstream and downstream production for the coming generation, while tourism continues to falter. Tobago has a great product to offer, there are skilled labor, highly trained individuals in hospitality and management why not continue to improve on those?

http://i1.trekearth.com/photos/47876/tobago_buccoo_riff.jpg

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-15 04:21:31 and read 6091 times.

I don't think Bahamasair is necessary most of the routes they fly are covered by several carriers with oil prices on the rise again it does not help having 732's in the fleet. Given the way Caribbean people travel would the Q400 cargo capacity be enough people bring back televisions etc if they did go all prop the Q400 offers more flexibility as it could do NAS- ATL in a decent time for example.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-03-15 08:00:56 and read 6037 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 202):
I suppose they could, once they got the route authority/ permission from Canada. Could the MDs do BGI-YYZ?
Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 206):
The MD82 cannot reach Canada, and the MD83 they have will be severely weight restricted into getting

I remember flying JFK-POS_JFK on BW MD83's

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 215):
Tobago has a great product to offer, there are skilled labor, highly trained individuals in hospitality and management why not continue to improve on those?

Nice pics of the Nylon pool. My question is would the Govt or THA allow local and foreign based Trinbago folks step to the plate and invest and market the island with out interfering with what they do.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-15 08:36:20 and read 6015 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 216):

I am not sure that all the minor islands in the Bahamas are covered by other carriers. I do believe they are like a "utility" in that the routes may not all be economical, but the government flies them as a service. Sort of like Liat in some instances in the past.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-15 09:28:51 and read 5991 times.

Did BW not fly YYZ-BGI with the MD83? I can remember back in 1993 when heading back to BGI on the Tristar an MD83 was parked next to us I assume it would have been flying to POS. Also in the Bahamas is there also not other airlines several of which fly Saab 340 I would assume they would pick up the slack if Bahamasair goes.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-15 10:19:53 and read 5972 times.

They are starting to advertise their London flights for June already, also looking like they want expats for fly the 763

Quoting baje427 (Reply 219):

I'm not sure maybe our older members can say but the MD80s were used mainly to NYC. The L1011s were the ones that fly primarily to YYZ at the time.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: turk223
Posted 2012-03-15 10:57:56 and read 5948 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 220):
I'm not sure maybe our older members can say but the MD80s were used mainly to NYC. The L1011s were the ones that fly primarily to YYZ at the time.

Ugh. "Older" members...

Well, on behalf of us old guys (and former BW employees), I can confirm BW sent the MD-83s to YYZ. They were not really "mainly" used on JFK services, but flight 426/427 GND-BGI-JFK and return was a MD-83 for a long while (a disaster, as it couldn't carry the baggage often)...

I´d say the BW MD-83s were "mainly" used to the KIN "cross Caribbean" service and all the MIA flights (up to 4 flights in one day at its peak to MIA in the early 90s: 484 GEO-POS-AUA-MIA, 432 POS-GND-BGI-MIA, 400 POS-UVF-ANU-MIA, and 438 POS-ANU-SXM-MIA).

Now I need to go take a rest; as on older member, writing this tired me out...  

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-15 11:04:20 and read 5940 times.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 217):
I remember flying JFK-POS_JFK on BW MD83's

I have seen a BW L15 and M80 at the same time in the early morning in JFK when I left on my own M80 flight on ALM back to Curacao. That was back in 1985 if I'm not mistaken. They were parked next to a LaTur A300-600 (from Mexico).

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-15 11:05:42 and read 5937 times.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 210):

Does it make sense for financially weak carriers to serve routes which need to be built almost from scratch? Especially when one considers that their brands are unknown in these markets.

Want to build Latin American markets. Get brands known to Latin Americans which have strong distribution to the travel trade in these markets.

Sending Bahamasair to Brazil makes no sense. COPA, GOL, etc is the way to go.

BW can better connect NAS with SXM BGI and POS via KIN. Not enough traffic to merit direct service. I dont know if either Bahamians or E/Cbn people are interested in this type of travel.

The issue will be why is Bahamasair seeing declining revenues. Are they losing market share on their US routes? If so can them as there is enough alternate capacity. Is it because some of their internal routes are unprofitable? Then maybe a capped subsidy, given that many of these destinations are by their nature not viable. I thought the rationale for the US routes was to generate profits to offset losses on the internal Bahamas routes. If this isnt the case it doesnt seem to make sense for Bahamas to fly to Florida.

Cayman Air seems to be used on routes that the Cayman Govt sees as strategic, but other carriers have no wish to serve. We remember when hurrican Hugo demolished Gran Cayman and only Cayman Air was willing to provide service.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 220):

In the early 1990s when BWIA began to focus on its Euro routes (UK, Germany, Switz and Sweden) its JFK route went all M83, including daily nonstops to POS. M83s were also used on the YYZ, especiallu during the off season when one of the tristars usually went in for maintennce (they used 3 tristars except during summer, xmas and carnival when all 4 were used). The M83 couldnt do YYZ, POS, as I recall, having to stop in ANU or BGI.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-15 11:13:43 and read 5932 times.

Quoting westindian425 (Reply 212):
Forget those!! That GOL 738 photo is SICK!!!!!

Hahaha, thanks westindian425   

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-15 11:54:44 and read 5907 times.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 221):

yes us "older" guys who were around in the late 80s and early 90s, need to rest frequently and hope that the nurse who takes care of us is pretty. LOL

Quoting A388 (Reply 222):

BWIA used to run a daily JFK BGI POS and a Daily flight to ANU, continuing to POS with an additional stop on selective days in SKB, UVF, or GND.

They then went all MD83 to JFK when their European routes were expanded. They ran the JFK BGI GND route, previously described.Also a JFK ANU POS run (stops in either SKB or UVF). And also an afternoon JFK POS GEO run about 5X per week. Upgraded to L15 during peak periods (equipment change to M83 into GEO).


The tristars came back in the mid 90s when BWIA began to reduce its routes to continental Europe. Used especially to YYZ as the M83s couldnt cope on that route. They came back to JFK year round in the late 90s when continental Europe was fully canned, with the JFK POS GEO run.

An "ancient" guy like me was around when all this happened.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-15 12:28:19 and read 5894 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 220):

Nice, 4 times per week. Do you think there is enough loads for nonstop? I mean that is the question being asked all the time.

Back in the 80's I flew JFK-GEO, usually on GY as it was nonstop, except when the TU-154 came online, and also compliments of GOG. When I flew on my own between semesters, like during spring break, I usually took the cheapest option, and sometimes that was BW. I used mostly using the Tristars, but on occasion I would use the MD's. Once I flew JFK-POS with an MD and back then we always had to get off the a/c in POS and then board another MD POS-GEO.

When we used the Tristars we would fly JFK-POS then MD POS-GEO. The Tristars did not go to GEO.

When BW was rebranded and Aleong was in charge, BW started using the Tristars JFK-POS-GEO with the same a/c in an effort to compete with the nonstop GY flights. I don't remember ever using the MD as I always tried using the flight with the same a/c through to GEO. My sister did use the MD JFK-POS and POS-GEO in January 1997.

On a side, back around 1996-97 GY had chartered a Tristar from Tradewinds (if I remember correctly) to compete with BW. They were running it along with a 752. That was a colossal failure. Freddy Duncan was GM at that time.

GUYAIR707

[Edited 2012-03-15 12:31:36]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: A388
Posted 2012-03-15 12:36:32 and read 5904 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 225):
The tristars came back in the mid 90s when BWIA began to reduce its routes to continental Europe.

BW also used their L15's to CUR, I believe they flew a POS-CCS-CUR-POS routing. The route was operated like 3 times a week if I remember correctly. I don't know when it was operated but I think it was in the late '80's, early '90's. In any case before 1994. VA also operated the CCS-CUR-SDQ routing at the time using the D13 or AB3. Worldways operated the L10 and the DC-8 back then as well and it Nationair also operated charters to CUR if Worldways didn't. They used the 741, DC-8 and later the 752.

A388

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-15 12:57:45 and read 5896 times.

My first flight was on the MD83 BGI-JFK returned on the Tristar first time I ever ate pancakes been hooked since then.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-15 14:16:26 and read 5865 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 227):

If I recall they used to do 3X per week to CCS and CUR. 2x was the Md83 to both destinations separately. And 1x they used the tristar to combine. This was in the late 80s. By the early 90s these jets were used to Europe 12x/week so had limited other use, except to YYZ. At some point BW dropped CUR..and then CCS, cant remember when.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-03-15 15:16:14 and read 5827 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 222):
I have seen a BW L15 and M80 at the same time in the early morning in JFK when I left on my own M80 flight on ALM back to Curacao. That was back in 1985 if I'm not mistaken. They were parked next to a LaTur A300-600 (from Mexico).

A388

Remember those days. Talk about baggage problems. on the MD80. The L15 was the cleaner upper.. Yes LaTur that was a nice little airline. Was ramp supervisor for them at JFK and remember taking at trip one day JFK-CUN-JFK riding jumpseat in the A36.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-15 16:34:38 and read 5799 times.

Quoting beeweel15 (Reply 230):

I traveled on the MD83 between JFK-BGI never missed my bags maybe I have been lucky.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-03-15 17:13:20 and read 5785 times.

Lots of fascinating history in the thread! This is a pleasure to read. Lovely pictures of Tobago Caribbean484.

Quoting A388 (Reply 222):
I have seen a BW L15 and M80 at the same time in the early morning in JFK when I left on my own M80 flight on ALM back to Curacao. That was back in 1985 if I'm not mistaken. They were parked next to a LaTur A300-600 (from Mexico).

BW first got MD80s in 1985. The two they obtained first were an MD82 and an MD83. The MD82 was used on a one-stop service to MIA while the MD83 launched services to BWI and BOS from POS via BGI (marketed as "BWIA from BWI Airport to the Islands"). The greater flexibility of the MD83 resulted in BW leasing 4 more by 1989 then then a further 4 from 1990 to replace the DC-9s while the MD82 remained in the fleet for just 1 year. Indeed the MD83s were concentrated on MIA services in the first instance with the DC-9s doing KIN, CCS, GEO, TAB and some MIA rounds. By 1990, with the MD83s the smallest planes in the fleet, they flew the domestic sector and the fall in frequency to just 6 or 7 daily flights caused no end of complaints.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 223):

In the early 1990s when BWIA began to focus on its Euro routes (UK, Germany, Switz and Sweden) its JFK route went all M83, including daily nonstops to POS. M83s were also used on the YYZ, especiallu during the off season when one of the tristars usually went in for maintennce (they used 3 tristars except during summer, xmas and carnival when all 4 were used). The M83 couldnt do YYZ, POS, as I recall, having to stop in ANU or BGI.

True, back in 1998 I flew POS - BGI on the KIN-bound flight and soon after arriving in BGI in came the MD83 doing POS - BGI - ANU - YYZ.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 229):
At some point BW dropped CUR..and then CCS, cant remember when.

BW dropped CUR in 1990. CCS has been in and out of the BW and Caribbean Airlines networks over the last 2 decades. BW left CCS in 1992 (shortly after UA started POS- CCS - MIA), returned in 1995, left again in 1997 and returned in 1999, if I recall correctly. Since then BW in both guises have kept regular services to CCS.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 226):
When BW was rebranded and Aleong was in charge, BW started using the Tristars JFK-POS-GEO with the same a/c in an effort to compete with the nonstop GY flights.

I remember those flights, on my last visit to GEO in 2000 I returned to POS on the TriStar which then went to JFK. The TriStars were weight-restricted into GEO.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-03-15 18:03:20 and read 5772 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 205):
Haven't hear that kind of promotion for MBJ, NAS or SXM.

no need to publicize NAS....flights are full full full..

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: baje427
Posted 2012-03-15 18:27:02 and read 5757 times.

I did BGI-LHR on the L1011 first time I have ever seen someone lick the plate on a plane lol but must say the catering was great. Also did BGI-POS on Q300 when they were new and the return was on the 738 I found the Q300 was more pleasant. How was the MD83 on the BGI-IAD flights in terms of restrictions?

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-03-15 19:32:01 and read 5725 times.

Quoting baje427 (Reply 231):
I traveled on the MD83 between JFK-BGI never missed my bags maybe I have been lucky.

POS pax had the bag problems on the MD80 flights. We would load the plane with the exception of F/C bags all the intermediate stop bags and put all the POS bags on the L10

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-15 19:37:36 and read 5733 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 220):
They are starting to advertise their London flights for June already, also looking like they want expats for fly the 763

Nice ad. Very classy. As for expat pilots, why?? Seeing that the 763s will be 9Y registered, I assumed that CAL crew would operate the equipment.

Quoting turk223 (Reply 221):
Quoting A388 (Reply 222):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 225):
Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 226):

Very very enlightening history. Unfortunately, I have never been able to travel on BW's MDs and L1011s. However, back then, I do remember vividly the experiences of traveling on Air Caribbean's YS-11s to TAB......the hotbox with wings!

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: caribbean484
Posted 2012-03-15 20:14:42 and read 5713 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 236):
Nice ad. Very classy. As for expat pilots, why?? Seeing that the 763s will be 9Y registered, I assumed that CAL crew would operate the equipment.

Yep I love the face on it also, quite warm lol. The expats I assume is because they do not have enough crew on hold for training in time for the summer, CAL is taking on a lot of a/cs this year and training from Dash to ATRs will continue for a while. Where is Inbound in all of this lol.

Flights are bookable already, with the LAN seat map showing in the GDS. BGI-LGW will be loaded soon.

FYI Robert Corbie is the new COO of CAL which means he is second in command until a CEO comes in.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 226):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 225):
Quoting A388 (Reply 224):
Quoting guyanam (Reply 223):

Yep love the history lessons, hence the "older" members lol. I remembered when BWIA flew the TriStars to Europe and the MD80s to NA, I believe that changed when BWIA was privatized in 1994 when they pulled down a lot of their routes to Europe. I remembered flying them to BGI, GND and NYC when I was younger, most exciting time, I dreaded to MD80's no IFE. Flying F/C or Ibis was pretty exciting, the meals were impeccable and service was second to none at the time.

It was Aleong who re-fleeted the airline, first with the Dash8 and then 738, with the airline leasing a 73G to do POS-SKB-JFK or POS-UVF-JFK.
He decided to maintain the MD80s on the milk run for a while, I remembered seeing the AA306 at both POS and BGI in the early morning, and the Afternoon 757 to JFK on the BGI tarmac. The good old days of aviation.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-15 22:14:38 and read 5677 times.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 237):

Not old enough (lol). I was on BW since the days of the good old 707 Sunjet service. We would do GEO-POS-BGI-ANU-YYZ and backtrack the same route. I remember flying on a spanking new a/c named Penny after the Miss Universe or Miss World.

Those days you would get an Intransit card and use that card to get off in BGI and ANU. In the seat pocket there was sometimes a SEAT OCCUPIED card you would leave on your seat so pax getting on would know that seat was taken.

Sometimes we would use BW or Pan Am GEO-POS and get an AC DC-8 POS-YYZ. Back in those days most mornings had an ALM white blue and orange DC-9 GEO-CUR and AF had a 732 doing the French Caribbean/French Guiana to GEO.

GY is a whole other subject from Maersk 732 to the 707 with Aer Lingus support to Tarom TU-154 to Guyanese owned and registered TU-154M 8R-GGA the 752 N757GA.

Talk about the good old days of aviation.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW985
Posted 2012-03-16 01:34:19 and read 5650 times.

Quoting BW424 (Reply 236):
Nice ad. Very classy.

I like the ad as well. The could NOT have chosen a better model for this.
I wonder why they did not include their higher baggage allowance in the text, which I think is a unique selling point for them. Or maybe they will only allow one piece of checked baggage on the London route like BA and VS?

BW985

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-16 10:23:21 and read 5538 times.

http://119.82.71.76/kaieturnewsnew/Details.aspx?id=540&boxid=22656375

BW is getting ready for the competition from PY. Fares GEO-MIA now $198 one way.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: guyanam
Posted 2012-03-16 11:29:15 and read 5503 times.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 240):

Might as well drive PY out quickly before people begin to like the nonstop and the absence of the risk of an unscheduled aircraft change in POS enroute to MIA, forcing seizure of all their expensive 20 year old rum.

Like you I dont know how sustainable this PY flight will be though. BW daily, vs PY 2x on a business route? And many of the passengers will be wedded to the BW FF programs, given that they are high frequency travelers. With BW being the defacto national accrier for Guyana many of the frequent flyer crowd prefer BW (regardless as to what adverse comments they might make). It goes every where with higher frequencies so its more practical and the LGW route will further enhance that.

They will get some because of the nonstop. I guess it depends upon how well PY does on its AUA MIA sector...if not so good then maybe frequencies will be shifted over GEO instead. Doubt that Suriname can sustain 5x to MIA.


On another topic some one on the Jamaica thread suggest that LGW will be daily with a BGI stop on the "remaining days". Is Mo, Tu, and Sa flight practical for BGI. I thought they would do Th instead of Tu, to gte a more even spread, therefore more able to compete with the daily VS/BA flights. With a daily frequency, and KIN to be added, I assume, the 767s will be kept busy across the atlantic, so no North America service.

Wish them luck. But UK travel to the E/Caribbean is tumbling seriously with the APD and the continued recession.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 2travel2know2
Posted 2012-03-16 15:23:33 and read 5423 times.

Quoting guyanam (Reply 241):
Might as well drive PY out quickly before people begin to like the nonstop and the absence of the risk of an unscheduled aircraft change in POS enroute to MIA, forcing seizure of all their expensive 20 year old rum.

Also the like-hood of missing lost baggage from a non-stop flight is much less than on a one-stop or connecting flights.

Quote:
On another topic some one on the Jamaica thread suggest that LGW will be daily with a BGI stop on the "remaining days". Is Mo, Tu, and Sa flight practical for BGI. I thought they would do Th instead of Tu, to gte a more even spread, therefore more able to compete with the daily VS/BA flights. With a daily frequency, and KIN to be added, I assume, the 767s will be kept busy across the atlantic, so no North America service.

Does BW needs to stop POS-LGW in BGI and face the BGI-LON competitors?
I wish BW would realize if they were to fly CCS-POS-LGW they'd get a big chunk of the CCS-LON traffic and many of that route front-cabin travellers would rather fly one-stop than change planes in MAD, CDG, FRA or LIS.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: trintocan
Posted 2012-03-16 16:53:17 and read 5399 times.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 242):
I wish BW would realize if they were to fly CCS-POS-LGW they'd get a big chunk of the CCS-LON traffic and many of that route front-cabin travellers would rather fly one-stop than change planes in MAD, CDG, FRA or LIS.

I would imagine that they would schedule the CCS - POS services to arrive at times facilitating connections with the LGW services. The present situation in Venezuela may make it difficult for BW to tag CCS directly to the LGW service.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 242):
Does BW needs to stop POS-LGW in BGI and face the BGI-LON competitors?

It's hard to say, BGI used to fill the BW flights (as did UVF and ANU) while POS saw relatively light loads - although POS had daily BW service unlike the other islands, which may partially account for the disparity.

Quoting BW985 (Reply 239):
. Or maybe they will only allow one piece of checked baggage on the London route like BA and VS?

I doubt that BW would want to have such a variation of product on their different routes. They may just be holding on to that as a trump card to keep the competition guessing for now.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 238):

Not old enough (lol). I was on BW since the days of the good old 707 Sunjet service. We would do GEO-POS-BGI-ANU-YYZ and backtrack the same route. I remember flying on a spanking new a/c named Penny after the Miss Universe or Miss World.

The plane named "Janelle Penny Commisiong" was a DC-9-50 named after Miss Universe 1977. I also flew on the 707s, my last journey on them being ANU - POS in 1981 with a stop in BGI. I also did GEO - POS on the 707 back in 1978.

Quoting caribbean484 (Reply 237):

It was Aleong who re-fleeted the airline, first with the Dash8 and then 738, with the airline leasing a 73G to do POS-SKB-JFK or POS-UVF-JFK.

True though the 737-700 did a lot of MIA runs.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 238):
Back in those days most mornings had an ALM white blue and orange DC-9 GEO-CUR and AF had a 732 doing the French Caribbean/French Guiana to GEO.

Back when I visited GEO in 1978 it did have a large variety of carriers. I actually flew there from POS on an AF A300, BW being on strike at the time. BA were there too with the 747s flying on to LHR via POS, BGI and ANU.

Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 238):

Those days you would get an Intransit card and use that card to get off in BGI and ANU. In the seat pocket there was sometimes a SEAT OCCUPIED card you would leave on your seat so pax getting on would know that seat was taken.

Great days indeed! I tried to get off at every opportunity. The last time I was able to do so was in 1999, when my POS - KIN flight called at BGI and ANU and at both stops passengers were allowed to disembark. That day was the only time that I have ever set foot in 4 nations within a day. Those stopovers were very popular, especially BGI due to the large duty-free offerings available there - people would go there to grab something quickly while the flight was prepared for the onward journey. It's sad that this is now all in the past.

Trintocan.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: aa1818
Posted 2012-03-16 17:20:50 and read 5392 times.

RedJet is out of business.
Flights suspended as of tonight.

For sure it's a ploy to get public sympathy though. They harp on about BW's subsidies etc. They are probably trying to guilt the Government of Barbados into funding them.

PM me your e-mail address if you want the press release.

AA1818

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: westindian425
Posted 2012-03-16 18:33:29 and read 5369 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 244):
RedJet is out of business.
Flights suspended as of tonight.

I doubt anyone is surprised. I wonder if they will refund tickets. lol

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: GUYAIR707
Posted 2012-03-16 18:34:00 and read 5373 times.

http://www.demerarawaves.com/index.p...uspending-flights-region-wide.html

Here is the release, in Demerarawaves.com. They said to call 24 hours prior to your flight to check on status. Maybe they will get funding later?? I guess the writing was on the wall.

GUYAIR707

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BWIA 772
Posted 2012-03-16 18:51:29 and read 5357 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 244):

The Government of Barbados is not in a position to give Red Jet any money or concessions further to what has been done thus far (which IMHO should have been given). Also given recent developments I think they will be exercising how they spend their "political capital" as well.


The press release has been issued on RD facebook page Redjet Suspends Service.


Regards
BWIA 772

[Edited 2012-03-16 18:58:55]

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: LimaFoxTango
Posted 2012-03-16 19:58:38 and read 5316 times.

A Jet One Express Convair CV-340, registration N153JR performing a freight flight callsign 153JR from San Juan (Puerto Rico) to Saint Maarten (Dutch Antilles) with 2 crew, was climbing out of San Juan's runway 10 and had just been handed over to departure when the crew declared emergency and requested an immediate return asking departure whether they would see any smoke from the aircraft, the controller reported seeing no smoke. The aircraft was cleared to land on runway 28, however did not reach the airport anymore and impacted lagoon La Torrecilla just east of the aerodrome at about 07:45L (11:45Z). Both pilots perished.

http://avherald.com/h?article=44c7900f&opt=0

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: beeweel15
Posted 2012-03-16 20:47:39 and read 5281 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 244):
RedJet is out of business.
Flights suspended as of tonight.

Well here is a chance for all the folks here to send them some ideas to save the company.

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: aa1818
Posted 2012-03-16 23:21:47 and read 5238 times.

Quoting LimaFoxTango (Reply 248):
http://avherald.com/h?article=44c7900f&opt=0

Thats very tragic. RIP to those on board.

AA1818

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-03-17 01:17:59 and read 5214 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 244):
RedJet is out of business.
Flights suspended as of tonight.

For sure it's a ploy to get public sympathy though. They harp on about BW's subsidies etc. They are probably trying to guilt the Government of Barbados into funding them.

Not really surprised, pretty much saw this coming at some point

Topic: RE: One Happy Island - Caribbean Aviation Thread 95
Username: BW424
Posted 2012-03-17 02:09:03 and read 5211 times.

New forum up!

Dushi Korsou- Caribbean Aviation Thread 96 (by BW424 Mar 17 2012 in Civil Aviation)


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