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Topic: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-16 18:32:00 and read 10893 times.

US has loaded a few more DCA flights to schedule effective Jul 11. There is still no beyond perimeter flight added yet unfortunately. Flights added tonight are:

AGS 1xCRJ
MSP 2xE75 1xE70
VPS 1xCRJ (this makes 2x)
XNA 1xCRJ
YUL 3xCRJ


[Edited 2012-03-16 19:02:03]

[Edited 2012-03-16 19:02:33]

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-03-16 19:19:21 and read 10681 times.

looks like these are all US Airways Express flights. Are there plans to add more mainline out of DCA?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: dumbell2424
Posted 2012-03-16 19:23:25 and read 10647 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Thread starter):
AGS 1xCRJ

Not seeing this on the schedule, or thru flight searches. This would be huge news for the AGS community, though.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: CRJ900LR
Posted 2012-03-16 19:44:44 and read 10538 times.

I see none of these on the schedule either or on the ETS page.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-16 19:45:13 and read 10540 times.

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 2):
Not seeing this on the schedule, or thru flight searches. This would be huge news for the AGS community, though.

It should be on usairways.com sometime tonight
It will be US 3599 AGS DCA 1835 2017
and US 3598 DCA AGS 1620 1807

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-16 19:52:36 and read 10487 times.

Wow XNA. Good for them

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: CRJ900LR
Posted 2012-03-16 19:55:06 and read 10476 times.

Oh great even better that Air Wisconsin is flying that AGS flight. Hope they (AGS) are planning for canceled and delayed flights already. PSA should be flying this, not Air Wisconsin.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: Flighty
Posted 2012-03-16 20:05:18 and read 10435 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):

looks like these are all US Airways Express flights. Are there plans to add more mainline out of DCA?

The MSP x3 on Ejet is practically mainline. That is pretty big news.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-03-16 20:36:55 and read 10292 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
looks like these are all US Airways Express flights. Are there plans to add more mainline out of DCA?

Considering most of the new DCA flying is being funded by cuts at LGA - which was mainly express flying - a lot of DCA will be Express, within perimeter and especially to small markets like XNA and AGS. And as Flighty said the E170/E175 is practically a mainline plane.
I really like the MSP adds. The route needs some more competition.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-16 21:07:03 and read 10200 times.

In my OP I was trying to ask if anyone knows how many slots are still left not allocated to any flying? Or do these flights use up all the slots gained from DL?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2012-03-16 21:44:10 and read 10072 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Thread starter):
MSP 2xE75 1xE70

Excellent. Nice to see non-stop competition now on DCA-MSP. Was hoping for mainline, but that's a great start nonetheless.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2012-03-16 22:16:33 and read 9987 times.

Hoping we'll eventually be seeing MKE-DCA with US.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-03-16 22:18:20 and read 9984 times.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 8):
I really like the MSP adds. The route needs some more competition.

   Hahahahahahahaha! You really think US & DL "compete?"

Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 2):
This would be huge news for the AGS community, though.

Why? Few, if any, will be able to afford the fares.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: Flighty
Posted 2012-03-16 22:27:32 and read 9959 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
Why? Few, if any, will be able to afford the fares.

Yes, but DC can afford to go to Augusta.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
  Hahahahahahahaha! You really think US & DL "compete?"

Odd comment. At MSP, no. In Washington, sure. Was it a notable monopoly route, yes.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-03-17 02:44:56 and read 9427 times.

US is poised to make a true hub there at DCA, it will be a great connection and O/D market, they could fly just about anyplace, within perimeter, and take any flight out of perimeter they can get and make it all work, US is poised better in DCA than LGA, at least DCA is getting some exemptions to fly beyond the posted distance, while LGA is not.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-03-17 02:57:16 and read 9412 times.

Yeah i think US is in the process of a very profitable and successful hub in time. For the people that think US should have so much mainline right out of the gate remember that this is bascially a move from LGA which was mostly RJs and they want to build the market not fly a bunch of empty planes around. This is US trying to build into becoming the premier DCA hub airline. Destinations and plane types will certainly change many times over as they see how the market does. Some routes will be successes and others will fail miserably. Just like DL at LGA some flights will be total successes and others will fail miserably no ones knows yet these things take time and experimentation.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-03-17 04:55:36 and read 9164 times.

US must be getting another gate at MSP. That is the only way these DCA times will work. Under the current schedule ~ 30% of their flights have to use gates borrowed from other cariers and the DCA flights will only make it worse.

I welcome their expanded service however! This is route I will definitely use.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: bobloblaw
Posted 2012-03-17 05:40:18 and read 8987 times.

I am really hoping that US opens up GRR as a station.

DCA-GRR 2x CRJ
PHL-GRR 3x CRJ
CLT-GRR 2x CRJ

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-03-17 06:18:05 and read 8821 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
US must be getting another gate at MSP. That is the only way these DCA times will work. Under the current schedule ~ 30% of their flights have to use gates borrowed from other cariers and the DCA flights will only make it worse.

US is growing a nice little presence at MSP. I was surprised at the number of flights out of here, on everything from E-jet on up to A321.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 17):
I am really hoping that US opens up GRR as a station.

It would begin with a PHL flight, but I think as long as the UA codeshare is in place US will be looking in other directions.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-03-17 06:40:41 and read 8723 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
US must be getting another gate at MSP. That is the only way these DCA times will work. Under the current schedule ~ 30% of their flights have to use gates borrowed from other cariers and the DCA flights will only make it worse.

I welcome their expanded service however! This is route I will definitely use.

May use the old DL gate; the one currently being used by ZK. Outside of them and sometimes AA, it sits unused pretty much all day.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: flyyul
Posted 2012-03-17 07:53:26 and read 8353 times.

Also loaded 4x YYZDCA

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-03-17 08:22:24 and read 8193 times.

Quoting flyyul (Reply 20):
Also loaded 4x YYZDCA

Let me guess... RJ's?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: AVLAirlineFreq
Posted 2012-03-17 08:31:57 and read 8158 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 12):
Quoting dumbell2424 (Reply 2):
This would be huge news for the AGS community, though.

Why? Few, if any, will be able to afford the fares.

US is taking a page from the pre-bankruptcy AA playbook and connecting several strong military communities in secondary markets (AGS, OAJ, FAY, VPS, etc.) to DCA.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-03-17 08:39:17 and read 8120 times.

Quoting AVLAirlineFreq (Reply 22):
US is taking a page from the pre-bankruptcy AA playbook and connecting several strong military communities in secondary markets (AGS, OAJ, FAY, VPS, etc.) to DCA.

      Those booking on DTS will likely take the non-stop vs a connection on the GSA even if its more expensive

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-17 11:03:32 and read 7556 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 21):
Quoting flyyul (Reply 20):
Also loaded 4x YYZDCA

Let me guess... RJ's?

You are right, it was in my OP but also got edited out...It is DCA-YYZ 4x CRJ

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: Noise
Posted 2012-03-17 11:04:42 and read 7747 times.

Any press release? Any official source whatsoever for these additions?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-17 11:15:48 and read 7691 times.

Quoting Noise (Reply 25):
Any press release? Any official source whatsoever for these additions?

You can find these flights on usairways.com?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-03-17 12:00:37 and read 7763 times.

Could the reason behind using all RJs on these new flights be in part because of gate space at DCA? For the time being, there is simply not much space for jets at the gates on Piers C and half of B. That should change some as more flying gets moved from DL to US and the gate allocation is reharmonized. I imagine a year from now, all US and UA and maybe AC flights will be on piers B and C, while all DL and AA flights are on pier A/old terminal and everyone else in the Banjo.

That would clear up some space to shift some of this flying to mainline.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-03-17 12:06:41 and read 7734 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
That would clear up some space to shift some of this flying to mainline.

Most of these routes don't justify mainline and US's mainline fleet is stretched pretty thin with minimal growth on the horizon. US has plenty of RJ's freed up by the shutdown of LGA hub. There was very little mainline freed up by shutting down LGA.

I can't imagine how horrific Gate 35 at DCA will be with all these new CRJ flights. I could potentially fly the DCA-PNS route a few times a year, but not sure I want to deal with the mess around the Gate 35. I've always wished US would build a small pier to the north to accomodate the RJ ops...but it will never happen.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-03-17 13:50:38 and read 7379 times.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 28):
I've always wished US would build a small pier to the north to accomodate the RJ ops...but it will never happen.

Write your congressman.

My understanding is that under federal law, DCA is only allowed to have 44 gates. Therefore, it has exactly 44. If US were allowed to build an Express building at DCA, I'm sure they would in a heartbeat.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-03-17 13:57:17 and read 7318 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 29):
Write your congressman.

My understanding is that under federal law, DCA is only allowed to have 44 gates. Therefore, it has exactly 44. If US were allowed to build an Express building at DCA, I'm sure they would in a heartbeat

I'm confused. Are there more slots available for more flights that could use additional gates? I didn't think so. I thought the airport was pretty much maxed out now.

bb

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-03-17 17:21:55 and read 6665 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 30):
I'm confused. Are there more slots available for more flights that could use additional gates? I didn't think so. I thought the airport was pretty much maxed out now.

The new slots must be shoehorned into the existing gates.

THat's not much of a problem for every airline except US, which has clearly exceeded the maximum gate utilization, hence placing the RJs and props on the tarmac and bussing passengers to them. They don't do that with mainline flights though.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: frntman
Posted 2012-03-17 17:23:47 and read 6649 times.

Quoting flyyul (Reply 20):
Also loaded 4x YYZDCA

This is long overdue! Looking forward to flying this frequently!

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PA727
Posted 2012-03-17 18:28:06 and read 6405 times.

Wow, didn't see XNA coming. Thought PHX or PHL would have come long before DCA.

Would love to see PHX come online since geographically logical West Coast connections are limited to pretty much DFW/IAH/DEN. Probably too much to ask though, given the service already existing vs. the population base.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2012-03-17 18:28:22 and read 6405 times.

Only slightly off topic, but PHL-SLC has been axed...grrr....

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: boberito6589
Posted 2012-03-17 18:53:52 and read 6322 times.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 34):
Only slightly off topic, but PHL-SLC has been axed...grrr....

A casualty of increased fuel prices

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: SouthernDC9
Posted 2012-03-17 19:32:07 and read 6225 times.

Quoting PA727 (Reply 33):
Wow, didn't see XNA coming. Thought PHX or PHL would have come long before DCA.


I'm happy to see DCA-XNA from a convenience standpoint (I wasn't flying the route when AA covered it for a bit) but hate the idea of 2+ hours on a CRJ. An ERJ would be slightly better.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-03-17 20:08:58 and read 6089 times.

Quoting PA727 (Reply 33):
Thought PHX or PHL would have come long before DCA.

Would love to see PHX come online since geographically logical West Coast connections are limited to pretty much DFW/IAH/DEN.

Wouldn't they have to get FAA permission to fly to PHX since it (I believe) is out of the radius? Or have they already gotten that slot already, and have yet to assign it?

   Zach

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-03-17 20:12:17 and read 6075 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 37):
Wouldn't they have to get FAA permission to fly to PHX since it (I believe) is out of the radius? Or have they already gotten that slot already, and have yet to assign it?

He is talking about XNA-PHX not DCA - PHX (which US already flies 3x daily)

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-03-17 20:14:45 and read 6076 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 38):
He is talking about XNA-PHX not DCA - PHX (which US already flies 3x daily)

Oh my mistake, sorry. Yeah XNA-PHX might be iffy. How's the traffic out of Fayetteville?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-03-17 20:43:53 and read 6019 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 29):
My understanding is that under federal law, DCA is only allowed to have 44 gates. Therefore, it has exactly 44. If US were allowed to build an Express building at DCA, I'm sure they would in a heartbeat.

Such a building could easily have 1 gate number, as many express ops around the country do.

But I'm uncertain where to put it.

I'm also uncertain why Terminal A still exists rather than building another pier.

NS

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-03-17 20:48:07 and read 6005 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 40):
I'm also uncertain why Terminal A still exists rather than building another pier.

Terminal A is a historic landmark and as such is difficult to alter in any significant way.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-03-17 20:51:12 and read 6003 times.

Quoting XFSUgimpLB41X (Reply 21):
Quoting flyyul (Reply 20):Also loaded 4x YYZDCA
Let me guess... RJ's?

Even AC flies E75s on the route.

So no problem.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-03-17 23:51:24 and read 5801 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 41):
Terminal A is a historic landmark and as such is difficult to alter in any significant way

He means the 'A' terminal banjo rather than the historic, old terminal building which houses a museum.

Myself -- I've been boarding planes in the banjo since 1971 when NWA and TWA were there.

Trust me -- there's nothing historic about it.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: Noise
Posted 2012-03-18 00:16:14 and read 5787 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 43):
Myself -- I've been boarding planes in the banjo since 1971 when NWA and TWA were there.

Trust me -- there's nothing historic about it.

Flew out of there two weeks ago with AC to YUL. You're totally right, the Banjo is noting to write home about at all. Why can't they renovate it to make it consistent with the rest of the airport which IMO is one of the most beautiful in the country?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-03-18 07:11:24 and read 5617 times.

Here are the 30 businest local city pairs from DCA in Q3 of 2011, including if US/US Express serves them. The markets noted as USUA are served by FF partner United. The number at left is local passengers per day (total to+from).

2871 …… BOS …… US
2103 …… ORD …… USUA
1731 …… ATL ……. not served
1613 …… MCO …… US
1221 …… FLL ……. US
1175 …… LGA …… US
1140 …… DFW …… US
1115 …… MIA ……. not served
0903 …… MSP …… US
0856 …… DEN …… USUA
0823 …… MKE …… not served
0656 …… IAH ……. USUA
0628 …… SEA …… too long
0600 …… MCI …… US
0598 …… TPA …… US
0554 …… LAX …… too long
0522 …… MSY …… US
0509 …… STL …… not served
0501 …… LAS …… US
0485 …… DTW …… US
0434 …… PHX …… US
0414 …… OMA …… US
0392 …… SFO …… USUA
0377 …… IND ……. US
0372 …… JAX …… US
0345 …… SAN …… too long
0332 …… RDU …… US
0317 …… PVD …… US
0315 …… CLT ……. US
0306 …… PBI ……. US

It's not a simple slam-dunk that US should grab each of these markets, of course. But it's somewhat interesting to see what is and is not served nonstop nevertheless.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: D L X
Posted 2012-03-18 07:32:34 and read 5502 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 40):
Such a building could easily have 1 gate number, as many express ops around the country do.

Don't you think calling it all the same gate, while still actually having a whole lot of gates, would violate the law that says you can only have 44 gates?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-18 08:50:26 and read 5418 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):

I fly to XNA every 4-6 weeks out of CLT. the flight usually packs from 43-50 passengers. I would imagine they could support a flight. But the flight will rely on connecting pax

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-18 08:51:52 and read 5407 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 17):


I'm hoping for

2x CLT-TUL CRJ

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-18 08:54:00 and read 5407 times.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 36):

It's not as bad as you think.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PA727
Posted 2012-03-18 09:55:15 and read 5299 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 39):

Loads and yields seem strong given the corporate travel. Seem to be growing slowly at 1.1/1.2 million pax/yr. AA and UA dominate w/DL and US three and four.

There's been consolidation in destinations, which is good business given fuel costs and other factors, but it has come at the cost of connections going west. Formerly had LAX and SLC service, but they were short-lived. Would think a solid connection to the West would be a winner since DEN is the only option right now (not counting DFW or IAH.)

Don't expect it to happen, since we're in fairly solid shape, it's just dreaming on my part. That and daily service by a LCC. G4 is great, but not if you want daily service and connecting options.

Flying US to CLT Wednesday night en route to SXM, will report back on the load. That and maybe some Maho pics.  

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-03-18 10:54:26 and read 5203 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 45):
Here are the 30 businest local city pairs from DCA in Q3 of 2011,

Hmmmmm. Thank you so much for the list knope'. I find it very interesting in my own way (which is probably quite different than the points you are trying to make.)  

Are these numbers (airport-specific for the WAS area) available to the public? Since the DOT reports that I use are now into combining large multi-airport metro regions into a single number, I'm really wanting to find individual airport stat's. Any info would be appreciated. (IM me if you'd rather.) Thanks a bunch.

bb

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-03-18 11:14:07 and read 5157 times.

Quoting PA727 (Reply 50):
That and maybe some Maho pics.

Please do so  
Quoting PA727 (Reply 50):
Loads and yields seem strong given the corporate travel. Seem to be growing slowly at 1.1/1.2 million pax/yr. AA and UA dominate w/DL and US three and four.

It makes sense, to a degree.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: FlyPNS1
Posted 2012-03-18 14:43:27 and read 4927 times.

Quoting D L X (Reply 46):
Don't you think calling it all the same gate, while still actually having a whole lot of gates, would violate the law that says you can only have 44 gates?

I've heard of this 44 gate rule, but never seen any documentation that supports it. Has anyone seen any documentation about this?

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-03-18 15:16:46 and read 4863 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 48):

I'm hoping for

2x CLT-TUL CRJ

I think CLT-OKC would be a better choice, and one I would use when going to visit my mom, but it seems unlikely to happen. Which is unfortunate, because I kind of liked my US MUC-PHL-ORD.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: saab2000
Posted 2012-03-18 15:28:30 and read 4822 times.

Quoting bobloblaw (Reply 17):
I am really hoping that US opens up GRR as a station.

DCA-GRR 2x CRJ
PHL-GRR 3x CRJ
CLT-GRR 2x CRJ

Is this even remotely likely? They closed GRR a few years back. I'd love to see it (I live in GRR) but I'll believe it when I see it. They do everything as a code share now with United.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-18 15:40:41 and read 4784 times.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 54):

They should add them together. TUL is not that small I know OKC is the biggest in the state but I know they can support 100 seats a day con a CRJ. I fly to XNA all the time to go to TUL

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-03-18 15:54:49 and read 4763 times.

Quoting saab2000 (Reply 55):

Is this even remotely likely? They closed GRR a few years back. I'd love to see it (I live in GRR) but I'll believe it when I see it. They do everything as a code share now with United.

When US originally announced the slot swap, MSN and GRR were listed as destinations to be added from DCA. Now that F9 is flying both of these routes, I am not sure if they are still going to go through with it but they are definitely within the realm of possibility.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-03-18 16:16:47 and read 4721 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 56):
They should add them together. TUL is not that small I know OKC is the biggest in the state but I know they can support 100 seats a day con a CRJ. I fly to XNA all the time to go to TUL

Looking at the PDEW report, only about 15 pax in each direction OKC-CLT and TUL-CLT, so maybe it's understandable that US doesn't open up the route. On the other hand, there should be adequate connecting opportunities to make it work from each one. On the other hand, I imagine that OKC-IAD and TUL-IAD steal a lot of the connection possibilities.

Also, I don't know if I'd want to sit on a ZW CR2 for 2.5 hours. I'd rather have the G7 CR7, I think. Maybe they should try it, though. Would be interesting to connect through CLT from MUC.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-03-18 18:04:25 and read 4567 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 51):
Hmmmmm. Thank you so much for the list knope'. I find it very interesting in my own way (which is probably quite different than the points you are trying to make.)

Are these numbers (airport-specific for the WAS area) available to the public? Since the DOT reports that I use are now into combining large multi-airport metro regions into a single number, I'm really wanting to find individual airport stat's. Any info would be appreciated. (IM me if you'd rather.) Thanks a bunch.

No problem! Here's the source I use....

http://ostpxweb.dot.gov/aviation/X-5...le_files/consumerairfarereport.htm

The stats have (unhappily) been increasingly lumped together in the main table, which is #6. CLE + CAK are reported as one, PVD is combined with BOS, etc. But table 1A breaks them apart. It's where I got DC-specific stuff.

As I've pointed out before, be wary of issues from regionals which do not report. Chautauqua as F9*, for example, does not. The other thing is occasionally there's strange stuff. The Q2 2011 AirTran fare levels are clealry out of whack and who knows why. But the data is still interesting -- you just have to sometimes be careful that if something doesn't seem quite right, do some research to see if perhaps it's not.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-03-18 19:05:20 and read 4477 times.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 58):
Looking at the PDEW report, only about 15 pax in each direction OKC-CLT and TUL-CLT, so maybe it's understandable that US doesn't open up the route.

Always got to be careful using that report. A lot of times if there isn't nonstop service, you aren't seeing the true O&D market on a particular route. Let's say my old hometown of TOL. If you looked at the report would you offer flights to ATL? Probably not. When FL & DL operated the route there were well over 250 people in the O&D report on that route.

OKC definitely could use some additional East Coast/Eastern US service. We are very lopsided to the west of the Mississippi. Then you could consider IAD/BWI the same market so that shrinks it even more. CLT would be a very nice addition and bring more options to those wanting to fly to that part of the country. We had all hoped they would start CLT service after the merger to pair it with PHX and LAS. Unfortunately WN ran them out of LAS and eventually out of the market completely. Of course if WN starts OKC-ATL, that could make things a bit difficult for US here.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-03-18 21:20:35 and read 4319 times.

Quoting knope2001 (Reply 59):
No problem! Here's the source I use....

Thank you mucho! I thought I'd checked all the other tables but obviously not carefully enough.

bb

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: yyz717
Posted 2012-03-18 22:15:23 and read 4268 times.

Quoting flyyul (Reply 20):
Also loaded 4x YYZDCA

and things come full circle. USExpress operated 3x daily YYZ-DCA CRJ a few years ago.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: pvd757
Posted 2012-03-19 04:37:54 and read 4172 times.

Looks like they also loaded a 3rd DCA-BUF flight.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: yegbey01
Posted 2012-03-19 05:26:37 and read 4092 times.

I am quite thrilled with US adding YYZ. Long overdue indeed.

Finally, the DC-Toronto market is getting good dose of competition - with AC and US on the DCA-YYZ, UA: IAD-YYZ and Porter: IAD-YTZ.

I fly twice a month between Toronto and DC. And with prices coming down when Porter enters the market, I am likely to fly three times a month now

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usflyer msp
Posted 2012-03-19 10:30:38 and read 3779 times.

Quoting pvd757 (Reply 63):
Looks like they also loaded a 3rd DCA-BUF flight.

BUF-DCA has historically been 3x daily.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2012-03-19 10:38:40 and read 3774 times.

they should opt for DCA-EWR. Only UA commuter jets and props are flying the route.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-03-19 11:16:37 and read 3698 times.

Quoting CRJ900LR (Reply 6):
Oh great even better that Air Wisconsin is flying that AGS flight. Hope they (AGS) are planning for canceled and delayed flights already. PSA should be flying this, not Air Wisconsin.

I don't know if PSA has a domicile in DCA or not, but if they don't that is a better reason why Air Wisconsin makes sense on this flight. I think USAirways has finally realized that you cannot have a regional partner operate 70 departures from a city (In the case CLT), where said regional partner does not have a crew domicile or a mx base. Because DCA is a crew domicile for Air Wisconsin and also a semi-mx base (MX is contracted to Bombardier, but they can do most of the things that other ZW mx bases can do), if a plane goes tech in DCA or has a crew issue, it is much much easier to cover that from DCA than it is out of CLT. (One of the reasons that ZW had some bad performance numbers for a long time, which have gotten a lot better recently). One of the things that US is doing with ZW as a result of the slot transaction is cutting back ZW's CLT flying by quite a bit (Which is a good thing for many reasons, and I don't want to get into the politics surrounding ZW and US as it relates to CLT), and they are going to be ramping up DCA flying and covering much of the added DCA flying.

That being said though, US is still having ZW operate way too much of the CLT flying. Some of it makes sense (MKE for example which is a ZW mx base, ORF for similar reasons), but seriously PSA needs to be operating more of the CLT flying, and ZW needs to be operating the DCA and PHL flying for the reasons I have stated.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: erj170
Posted 2012-03-19 11:32:01 and read 3659 times.

Quoting apodino (Reply 67):
but seriously PSA needs to be operating more of the CLT flying, and ZW needs to be operating the DCA and PHL flying for the reasons I have stated.

IMHO, ZW needs to be pushing to either get some E70/E75/CR9s or some Q400/ATR42/ATR72 to diversify their fleet. I think every major airline has stated they want to move away from 50 seat aircraft and that is literally ALL ZW has.. and if they want to diversify themselves a la RP, they are gonna need a diverse fleet. AND they need to look at doing some at risk flying that could potentially bring more revenue in their pocket.. for every 10 aircraft at US, have 1 aircraft that does at risk flights or something similiar.. just a thought..

Now, PSA and Piedmont have no say but if they did, I would be preaching the same thing to them..

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: WesternA318
Posted 2012-03-19 12:29:04 and read 3525 times.

Quoting boberito6589 (Reply 35):
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 34):
Only slightly off topic, but PHL-SLC has been axed...grrr....

A casualty of increased fuel prices

Yeah, I know, I was seriously hoping to use it this summer on my annual trip to Greece, but, I'm toting a 10 year old, my finacee and my parents who are in their late 70's, so, a multistop option just isnt going to work for me this year. If it was just me my kid, and the fiancee, then, it'd be no problem. Oh well, looks like DL is getting mre $$ from me!!   

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: pvd757
Posted 2012-03-19 13:54:29 and read 3414 times.

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 65):
BUF-DCA has historically been 3x daily.

I see that there are only 2 DCA-BUF flights during April, May and June and saw a 3rd for July. I was actually surprised that it is only at 2/3 flights.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-19 14:29:43 and read 3370 times.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 58):

Is that based on connecting traffic or just from clt

I would collapse if that is connecting traffic. It has to be just fromCLT

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: LOWS
Posted 2012-03-19 15:13:49 and read 3308 times.

Quoting southwest737500 (Reply 71):

Is that based on connecting traffic or just from clt

I would collapse if that is connecting traffic. It has to be just fromCLT


That was the number of passengers going to CLT from OKC and TUL and return. Origin and destination only.

If you look at the report, it indicates that the dominant carrier is AA, leading me to believe that most people are connecting through DFW or ORD.

[Edited 2012-03-19 15:31:16]

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-03-19 16:34:11 and read 3213 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 66):
they should opt for DCA-EWR. Only UA commuter jets and props are flying the route.

On such a short stage, I fully support UA choice. I wish it were all Q400.

Anything else, imho, is super irresponsible - both fiscally and environmentally.

NS

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2012-03-19 17:11:18 and read 3135 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 73):

Uh.....no

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-03-19 19:20:30 and read 2994 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 74):
Uh.....no

Uh. Yes.

Flying a big jet on a 150nm stage unless you're carrying 150+ pax per flight is irresponsible, and they aren't doing it and US can't.

Hourly Q400s is far superior to 5 737s.

NS

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: yyz717
Posted 2012-03-19 19:49:56 and read 2932 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 73):
On such a short stage, I fully support UA choice. I wish it were all Q400.

Anything else, imho, is super irresponsible - both fiscally and environmentally.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 75):
Hourly Q400s is far superior to 5 737s.

I agree with you on several levels: customer choice of flights, smoothing passenger flows thru airports thru the day, greater revenue opportunities. Environmentally I dont have enough info to venture an opinion.

However, the US NE coast is the most congested airspace in the world. Arguably, all the congestions and delays in the BOS-NYC-PHL-WAS corrider is the result of huge number of CRJ's, Q400's. E145's etc.

Imagine if 12x daily Q400's on DCA-EWR or LGA were replaced with 5x daily 738's en masse at all carriers. Air space would clear, and on time performance would sky rocket.

Air space and runway capacity will usually max out before terminal capacity, so larger aircraft types should be encouraged thru landing fee schedules in this corridor.

HND-Sapporo/Osaka Itami operate with hourly 773/744 flights due the demand for seats. Quarter-hourly 738's on these rotues would clog the runways and air space. By a similar argument, perhaps flights starting and ending in the BOS-NYC-WAS corrider should be restricted to 73G/319 size and above, with a ban on E145/Q400/CRJ etc.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-03-19 19:57:58 and read 2930 times.

An almost extreme example don't you think.  

Hourly 773s is still pretty outstanding customer choice. Quarter hourly routes wouldn't be superior in terms of reasonable scheduling.

13 vs 5 is quite a delta.

ME

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: yyz717
Posted 2012-03-19 20:07:26 and read 2919 times.

Yes fellow Neil, an extreme example perhaps.  

But everytime I fly out of EWR, and I'm stuck in a line of 25 Q400's and E145's, I think wouldn't it be nice if it was just a line up of 7 738's. I'm sure I'd be airborne sooner. Same number of passengers on fewer, larger aircraft enabling emptier runways and skies. The need for this will come one day. It will happen in NYC-WAS airports first.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-03-19 21:51:30 and read 2798 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 78):
But everytime I fly out of EWR, and I'm stuck in a line of 25 Q400's and E145's, I think wouldn't it be nice if it was just a line up of 7 738's. I'm sure I'd be airborne sooner. Same number of passengers on fewer, larger aircraft enabling emptier runways and skies. The need for this will come one day. It will happen in NYC-WAS airports first.

You can't have a comprehensive hub without serving smaller communities with regional-type aircraft. Now, if we were to say that flights between these major hub-type airports had to be on larger equipment, it would be a little more realistic. DCA-EWR or IAD-LGA can handle mainline....EWR-PBG, not so much.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: southwest737500
Posted 2012-03-20 16:52:28 and read 2463 times.

Quoting LOWS (Reply 72):

The route would do fine because of the connecting traffic

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: usairways85
Posted 2012-03-20 17:48:37 and read 2390 times.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 78):

But everytime I fly out of EWR, and I'm stuck in a line of 25 Q400's and E145's, I think wouldn't it be nice if it was just a line up of 7 738's. I'm sure I'd be airborne sooner. Same number of passengers on fewer, larger aircraft enabling emptier runways and skies. The need for this will come one day. It will happen in NYC-WAS airports first.

Also flts within the Northeast routinely have horrible on-time percentages, for every airline. Because when the likes of LGA/JFK/EWR/PHL/DCA/IAD have any type of weather issue the mid to long haul flts are already in the air so they receive first priority. The 30-60 min hopper flts have departure times pushed back 1-3 hours and cause chaos with connections.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: TOMMY767
Posted 2012-03-21 06:29:13 and read 2177 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 75):
Hourly Q400s is far superior to 5 737s.

Well if BOS can get a mixture of 757, A320, 738, and 739, from EWR why can't DCA? Why does DCA get a more 'environmentally friendly' Q400?

EDIT: but getting back on topic, since UAEX is basically the only carrier on DCA-EWR, I think it might be a sound move to get US involved on the routing. They are another star carrier, it will add more choice and pricing in the market, and as a result UA will operate less of their own metal on the route. If you look at the other token US routes from EWR, note that UA basically lets US operate the bulk of the frequencies while UA operates fewer. EWR-CLT for example is something ridiculous like 10x day using A320, A321 and 734. UA only flies a daily 737 on the route as well as some ERJs. Would be nice to see something like 3x E175 or something like that.

[Edited 2012-03-21 06:32:57]

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: apodino
Posted 2012-03-21 12:03:38 and read 2016 times.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 82):

Well if BOS can get a mixture of 757, A320, 738, and 739, from EWR why can't DCA? Why does DCA get a more 'environmentally friendly' Q400?

It's pretty simple. UA connects a ton of pax on BOS-EWR as the location of the EWR makes it ideal for BOS passengers to connect to just about anywhere.

DCA on the other hand for just about anywhere in the US requires a back track to EWR for connections, which mean that it is not nearly as ideal for connections as a BOS-EWR flight would be. Also remember that UA has a hub over at IAD, and for most of their destinations, they can put them on an Int'l flight out of IAD or for other US destinations, connect them out of DCA in ORD or IAH. Not to mention that US is a Star Alliance partner in DCA which can get pax anywhere. As for why US doesn't fly EWR-DCA, remember that they have hourly service from DCA-LGA and most of the NYC pax are going to opt for that service. Aside from some local NJ pax who may find it easier to take Amtrak or drive, you aren't going to get that much more local pax in EWR that they can already get in LGA.

Topic: RE: US Loads More DCA Flights Starting July 11th
Username: knope2001
Posted 2012-03-21 13:20:17 and read 1954 times.

Today's official release describes this as the "final phase" in US Airways' plan. So while they can always make changes, it sounds like this is "it" for now when it comes to DCA expansion.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-air...dds-six-communities-193000087.html

What cities that Delta operated from DCA did not make it onto USAirways' route map? GRR and MSN come to mind. Any others?


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