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Topic: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-03-31 21:24:12 and read 7149 times.

I arrived at ORD tonight on AA 2364 a little before 7pm CT. The plane landed on Runday 10, and the pilots did what seemed like hard breaking. When we cleared the runway, I saw why. A Southwest 737 was sitting on Taxiway M, east of where Runway 32L used to cross M, facing to the east, with emergency vehicles parked both ahead and behind the aircraft.

So, why was the Southwest plane on the ground at ORD? Was this an MDW departure that had a problem and landed at ORD, rather than return to MDW? Or was this a diversion?

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: QANTAS747-438
Posted 2012-03-31 21:49:44 and read 7046 times.

Quoting ckfred (Thread starter):
Was this an MDW departure that had a problem and landed at ORD,

That's correct. It was a MDW outbound flt that had to divert to ORD for MX reasons.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: Swafa
Posted 2012-03-31 23:24:11 and read 6818 times.

Was supposed to land at MDW. Apparently had some sort of flap malfunction. Overheard some pilots talking on the employee lot bus.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: 737tdi
Posted 2012-04-01 00:16:42 and read 6717 times.

The "out of service list shows a slat indication problem". Not a big deal, with the NG's it is almost always a switch problem, not actually a problem with the slat.

Did you know that almost all 99.9999999% of all cockpit fault indications are due to bad switches, Not an actual failed component? Flight crews can tell if a slat or spoiler is hanging out...This one must have been felt for them to divert. Slat actuators do fail/lock. It is the nature of all actuators. It is not a safety of flight as far as airworthiness but you don't want to fly with a slat hanging out. JMO. of course

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: b757capt
Posted 2012-04-01 08:47:58 and read 6295 times.

Still interesting that ORD was chosen vs. MKE.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: johnmke
Posted 2012-04-01 10:10:54 and read 6096 times.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 4):
Still interesting that ORD was chosen vs. MKE.

lets see fly 67 miles north to MKE, when they already to aviod the 15 mile flight south BACK to MDW. Something tells me that the pilots didn't think interesting they thought get this plane on the ground safely and as soon as possible.
ORD longer runway, more activity=more fire/emergancy response. I'll take ORD.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-04-01 11:12:26 and read 5952 times.

Quoting johnmke (Reply 5):
Something tells me that the pilots didn't think interesting they thought get this plane on the ground safely and as soon as possible.
ORD longer runway, more activity=more fire/emergancy response. I'll take ORD.

I doubt it's even that; Southwest has line maintenance at MDW, so fixing the problem involves maintenance staff driving across town to ORD rather than the extra 75 miles up to MKE. But you can bet they went into ORD vs. MDW for the longer runway, of course.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: b757capt
Posted 2012-04-01 12:01:24 and read 5836 times.

Quoting johnmke (Reply 5):
ets see fly 67 miles north to MKE, when they already to aviod the 15 mile flight south BACK to MDW. Something tells me that the pilots didn't think interesting they thought get this plane on the ground safely and as soon as possible.
ORD longer runway, more activity=more fire/emergancy response. I'll take ORD.
Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):
I doubt it's even that; Southwest has line maintenance at MDW, so fixing the problem involves maintenance staff driving across town to ORD rather than the extra 75 miles up to MKE. But you can bet they went into ORD vs. MDW for the longer runway, of course.

If this was a slat issue odds are they needed a longer runway. This could be why they did not go back to MDW.

As far as ORD vs MKE, I only mentioned that because WN has resources at MKE and not at ORD. If it was truly a slat issue, the 12 minute hop to MKE would not have made a difference but would have saved time and money.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-04-01 14:33:07 and read 5574 times.

What was the flight number? I looked on Flightaware and couldn't find an WN flight number showing as having arrived at ORD.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-04-01 14:37:23 and read 5558 times.

Quoting 737tdi (Reply 3):
It is not a safety of flight as far as airworthiness but you don't want to fly with a slat hanging out.

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Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: THEBATMAN
Posted 2012-04-01 16:50:17 and read 5229 times.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 4):
Still interesting that ORD was chosen vs. MKE.

The longest runway at MKE is 1/19 at 9,690' while 10/28 at ORD is 13,000'. That is the reason they go into ORD. It's not the first time, and probably won't be the last. WN has used our hangars for engine changes, flight control problems, etc...

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-04-01 18:12:40 and read 4406 times.

Quoting b757capt (Reply 7):
I only mentioned that because WN has resources at MKE and not at ORD.

Right, but WN has far more m/x resources at MDW than at ORD, and if MDW m/x was going to have to drive to "rescue" the airplane, it's a much shorter drive to ORD.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: syncmaster
Posted 2012-04-01 18:24:21 and read 4265 times.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
Right, but WN has far more m/x resources at MDW than at ORD, and if MDW m/x was going to have to drive to "rescue" the airplane, it's a much shorter drive to ORD.

Not to mention presumably busing the passengers back to Midway.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: vatveng
Posted 2012-04-01 21:07:28 and read 2993 times.

Quoting syncmaster (Reply 12):
Not to mention presumably busing the passengers back to Midway.

Would that be easier than ferrying a 737 to ORD to pick them up and continue on? If it was a full flight it would take a few buses to get everyone back across town.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: KBUF
Posted 2012-04-01 21:26:16 and read 2858 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 8):
What was the flight number? I looked on Flightaware and couldn't find an WN flight number showing as having arrived at ORD.

Don't know if this is it, but it's the only SWA flight involving ORD I can find: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...4/history/20120331/2322Z/KORD/KMDW

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: 737tdi
Posted 2012-04-01 21:37:13 and read 2806 times.

Quoting chrisair (Reply 9):
Like this?

Exactly!!!

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: syncmaster
Posted 2012-04-02 00:13:36 and read 2675 times.

Quoting vatveng (Reply 13):
Would that be easier than ferrying a 737 to ORD to pick them up and continue on? If it was a full flight it would take a few buses to get everyone back across town.

Depending on the loads I would imagine that is correct. It is probably easier to compensate them and/or rebook them on the next available flight.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: DeltaL1011man
Posted 2012-04-02 01:53:13 and read 2619 times.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 6):

And it helps that AMR and UAL both have large maintenance bases

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-04-02 07:54:34 and read 2440 times.

If you look at Flightaware for the flight from CMH to MDW, the flight track shows the flight in the MDW arrival pattern from the southwest. Then, it climbs on the approach, turns to the west, and then gets into the ORD pattern for Runway 10.

It looks like the plane landed around 5:53pm CT. I was on AA2364 that landed at 6:49pm. At that time, there were still emergency vehicles parked well behind and ahead of the aircraft. There were no ground service vehicles near the aircraft, and the starboard engine was still running.

Topic: RE: Southwest 737 At ORD Tonight, 3-31
Username: ScottB
Posted 2012-04-02 09:40:58 and read 2300 times.

Quoting vatveng (Reply 13):
Quoting syncmaster (Reply 12):
Not to mention presumably busing the passengers back to Midway.

Would that be easier than ferrying a 737 to ORD to pick them up and continue on? If it was a full flight it would take a few buses to get everyone back across town.

It's probably much, much cheaper to put people on buses or even in taxicabs. And I'd imagine that a fair number would just get on the el and make their way back to MDW themselves if the buses were going to take more than an hour.


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