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Topic: AA DFW Recovery
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2012-04-05 07:12:33 and read 12862 times.

Morning..Just curious if someone has the skinny on how fast the aircraft inspections /needed repairs are coming along? When could one expect AA to be back at full scheduled ops?

On the human side...any employees have injuries from the tornados?

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: TSS
Posted 2012-04-05 09:12:52 and read 12516 times.

Quoting Tan Flyr (Thread starter):
Just curious if someone has the skinny on how fast the aircraft inspections /needed repairs are coming along? When could one expect AA to be back at full scheduled ops?

I was wondering about this as well.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: SJUSXM
Posted 2012-04-05 10:35:19 and read 12176 times.

There were supposedly about 60 acft still out of service of the 100+ that were damaged as of late yesterday. Today PHX had 4 cancellations, with one extra section. PHL had 2 cancellations. Tomorrow has one cancellation for each of those two cities as well.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-04-05 11:22:15 and read 11897 times.

This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-04-05 12:05:44 and read 11725 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

Well, they can recover the damage via insurance but they cannot recover the money losses. the same thing happened to F9 last summer during the hail storm: 18 airplanes damaged and many flights cancelled. The insurance covered the damage to the airplanes, but not the loss in revenue.

I think AA, for the most part, will be okay.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: deltaflyertoo
Posted 2012-04-05 12:23:31 and read 11648 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 3):
This is not what AA needs in the middle of Ch. 11. Any thoughts about how it might affect things?

To add to what AirframeAS just wrote, we have to remember AA sits on over $4 billion in cash. Most airlines prior that went to ch 11 were sitting on a lot less. Its the cost of doing biz and although not ideal not devastating either.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: EXMEMWIDGET
Posted 2012-04-05 12:45:10 and read 11399 times.

While not AA, FedEx has 2 MD10's and 1 A300 that are still OTS at DFW. According to one of our aircraft mechanics, the A300 is in pretty bad shape. FedEx has been trucking in equipment from MEM to aid in the repairs.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: plateman
Posted 2012-04-05 13:14:34 and read 11002 times.

AA confirms on Twitter that 60 planes are damaged

Via @AmericanAir:

With 60 aircraft out of service due to hail damage, flt cxl will occur & long rebooking hold times. Chk http://bit.ly/AASTATUS1 before travel

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: deltaffindfw
Posted 2012-04-05 13:28:16 and read 10831 times.

Latest update:

Cancellations at Dallas/Fort Worth Airport continued into a third day as American Airlines had 323 cancellations on Thursday.

American spokesman Ed Martelle said the Fort Worth-based carrier still has 57 airplanes out of service. All of American Eagle's aircraft are flying, he said.

Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_t...-out-of-service.html#storylink=cpy

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: avi8
Posted 2012-04-05 13:40:42 and read 10673 times.

I flew out of DFW yesterday and saw about 7 DL aircraft being expected (2 mainline, the rest were CRJ) AS (1), UA ( 1 737 and 2 ERJ 145), 1 Spirit, and plenty of American aircraft. I saw an abnormal amount of FEDEX and UPS aircraft parked aswell, probably because of the hail.



Regards,
Avi8

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2012-04-05 15:05:30 and read 9808 times.

So what kind of damage did AA's planes suffer? What will the repairs entail?

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-04-05 15:13:19 and read 9696 times.

I wished we could get some pics here......

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: SYfan100
Posted 2012-04-05 17:01:07 and read 8769 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 10):

Most likely hail damage being usually with a Tornado you do have some at sometime during the storm. Otherwise wind with just stuff flying around that might hit a plane hard enough to where it causes enough damage that the plane needs to get taken out of service for repairs.
A plane is no different then a car when a storm like this hit's but the only difference is the repair shop is going 24/7 unlike the car repair shop!
You can bring in a mechanic or 10 more from other airports to assist with fixing things up a whole lot quicker I herd one time many years ago.
American will be just fine with getting their respective repairs done.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: N243NW
Posted 2012-04-05 17:06:14 and read 8711 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 10):
So what kind of damage did AA's planes suffer? What will the repairs entail?

Most of the damage is concentrated on flight control surfaces and more specifically control surface tabs. The MD-80s are particularly susceptible because they have tons of tabs - control tabs, geared tabs and anti-float tabs on the elevators, as well as control tabs and trim tabs on the ailerons. I've heard of damage to spoilers, flaps and slats too. In some cases, entire ailerons and elevators are being "robbed" from aircraft in scheduled maintenance checks in order to quickly repair damaged aircraft on the line maintenance side. It's generally much quicker and easier to replace an entire control surface than perform extensive structural repairs.

There are also some aircraft with dents and cracks in engine cowlings, upper fuselage skins and other structural pieces, and a lot of static wicks have been broken off by hailstones.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: aviationbuff08
Posted 2012-04-05 17:26:04 and read 8508 times.

Didn't one of AA 757 get damaged by debris last year in the tornado that hit the STL airport?

Are all of the AA planes just get hail damage?

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: 5MillionMiler
Posted 2012-04-05 17:37:32 and read 8412 times.

I would imagine the foreign flag carriers are glad they avoided it!

QF does not fly on Tuesdays, EK would have already departed and BA/LH diverted.

Can imagine that would be extra hassle for a visitor airline.

I flew into DFW yesterday on QF7, a day after the storms, and it was a beautiful clear day in North Texas. What a difference a day makes!

Hope AA gets their birds back quick (same for other carriers/freighters with grounded assets)

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-04-05 20:54:16 and read 6832 times.

People gripe about the weather at ORD. Snow in the winter with storms that dump 1 foot every year or so and the 2-foot storm every 10 years or so. We get gusty winds from the south that mess up the arrival patterns. Then there are the summer thunder storms. And fog and low clouds causes problems every now and then.

But we don't get the hail storms like north Texas. Wasn't there a big hail storm in the spring of 1995 that damaged about 60 AA aircraft? I seem to remember that the schedule was out of kilter for several weeks. An MD-11 really got beat up and had to have repairs, just to get the plane in a condition to fly to TUL.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-04-05 21:47:30 and read 6498 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 4):
Well, they can recover the damage via insurance but they cannot recover the money losses.

That's what I mean. I'm sure they're insured, but you can't ensure lost revenue due to loss of use. Or can you? I imagine it would be hideously expensive.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: dfw36l
Posted 2012-04-06 04:36:26 and read 5302 times.

The hail storm was noticeably worse toward the east side of the airport. The hail at the hangars on the west side wasn't very bad. Aircraft at terminals B and D didn't get it as bad as aircraft at A & C and E where it was much worse. So I'm sure it was even worse at the Fed Ex ramp.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-04-06 04:41:50 and read 5289 times.

Does anyone have further details on a/c damage? Not just AA, but all the airlines and cargo carriers? AA may have taken the brunt of this, but they were not the only airline operating at DFW.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: etops1
Posted 2012-04-06 05:40:12 and read 4974 times.

AA sat on $4 billion in cash . That cash has been diminishing while operating under chapter 11.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: miaami
Posted 2012-04-06 06:02:04 and read 4829 times.

Quoting etops1 (Reply 20):
AA sat on $4 billion in cash . That cash has been diminishing while operating under chapter 11.

Not exactly true, From their press release last week. "The company also reported that its unrestricted cash and short-term investments rose to $4.65 billion, up from $4.14 billion on Jan. 31."

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: PlaneAdmirer
Posted 2012-04-06 07:24:19 and read 4364 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 17):
That's what I mean. I'm sure they're insured, but you can't ensure lost revenue due to loss of use. Or can you?

I can't speak to airlines, but many business have what is called "Business Interuption Insurance" that is defined as follows:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/b/business-interruption-insurance/
Business interruption insurance compensates a business for certain specified categories of costs in the event of catastrophic events. Three categories that may be covered are 1) profits that would have been realized if the disaster had not occurred; 2) operating expenses that must be paid despite inability to operate; and 3) expenses incurred because business operations had to be moved while damaged original premises were restored for use. This type of protection is also known as business income protection, profit protection, and out-of-business coverage. Freestanding business interruption policies are rarely sold. They tend to be provisions that are part of property insurance policies and so-called "business owners policies" (BOPs).

I would be surprised if airlines didn't have some sort coverage along these lines.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: vin2basketball
Posted 2012-04-06 08:41:15 and read 4187 times.

51 aircraft Remain out of commission

@AmericanAir: @TheABVinay 51 aircraft remain out of service today due to hail damage on Tuesday.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-04-06 08:52:02 and read 4150 times.

Quoting SJUSXM (Reply 2):
There were supposedly about 60 acft still out of service of the 100+ that were damaged as of late yesterday. Today PHX had 4 cancellations, with one extra section. PHL had 2 cancellations. Tomorrow has one cancellation for each of those two cities as well.

Why do these two particular routes have this many cancelled sections? Is it because loads into both PHL & PHX are lower than normal, so they can cancel and re-accommodate, and or, are these all S80 makets for the most part?

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: Acey559
Posted 2012-04-06 08:52:59 and read 4396 times.

There are a number of videos on YouTube taken by AA employees during the storm if anyone is interested, and there are even some taken from inside aircraft as they are being pelted by hail. The memo we received said they were hoping things would be back to normal by tomorrow, but it doesn't sound like that will happen. As for cash, I saw a statement saying that AMR now has over $5.4 billion in the bank so I'm not too terribly worried about the cash situation.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: N243NW
Posted 2012-04-06 19:47:27 and read 3910 times.

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 25):
The memo we received said they were hoping things would be back to normal by tomorrow, but it doesn't sound like that will happen.

That definitely won't happen, if you're talking about a full schedule. Things may be "back to normal," in the sense of a reduced schedule having been worked out and pre-arranged, but the goal I've heard is to have 80% of the aircraft back in service after one week (so that would be next Tuesday) and 100% back in service after two weeks.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: RyDawg82
Posted 2012-04-06 20:15:22 and read 3989 times.

TACA still has an Airbus here OTS. VX ferried a Airbus to MIA yesterday for repair. AS sent a 737-990 to GSO today for repairs. Most MX ramps are still full with AC needing repairs. Additionally, some taxiways are closed with AC staged on them awaiting repairs.

Most AC that have left DFW for repairs elsewhere have all been filed at 9000 feet as they will be unable to pressurize until repairs are completed.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: SJUSXM
Posted 2012-04-07 00:17:01 and read 3760 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 24):
Why do these two particular routes have this many cancelled sections? Is it because loads into both PHL & PHX are lower than normal, so they can cancel and re-accommodate, and or, are these all S80 makets for the most part?

Loads certainly aren't lower than normal. PHX in fact is higher than normal it seems to me at least. I only mention these two specifically because I have been monitoring those specifically while I was trying to get home this week from PHX. I ended up going the long way PHX-LAX-MIA (777)-PHL. There was one LAX-DFW cancellation today that I saw and one MIA-DFW. This is in addition to the 3 PHX-DFW today and 1 DFW-PHL.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: LASAirlinerEnth
Posted 2012-04-08 20:31:58 and read 3125 times.

Good evening, everyone. I am a long-time reader of the site and this will be my first post. I flew on American out of Las Vegas (LAS) on a business trip to Boston (BOS) that took me through Dallas/Fort Worth (DFW) on Wednesday morning, April 4th . . . the day after the tornadoes roared through the city. I expected to be, at the least, delayed, if not bumped off one or both of my segments outright. Neither happened, and I arrived in Boston at approximately 5:30pm.

I returned to Las Vegas from Boston today, Easter Sunday (April 8th), again on American and with a plane change layover in DFW. The flight from BOS to DFW (AA #1981) left the East Coast right on time and we arrived a little early into DFW. We arrived at the C-Gates on the east side of the airport. My connection to Las Vegas was also supposed to depart from the C-Gates, but was changed to the D-Gates about five minutes after I made it to C17. So, Skylink it was from the C terminal to the D terminal.

As I was transiting from terminal to terminal, the sky to the west just kept getting darker and darker and darker with an approaching thunderstorm. I was hoping my flight, #519 from DFW to LAS, which was supposed to depart at 12:25pm, would make it out before the storm. Alas, that was not to be. The storm hit right at about noon Dallas time, bringing lots of rain, lots of brilliant lightning strikes within the airport perimeter, and crashes of thunder that drowned out the ambient terminal sounds. Given the lightning strikes, the ramp was closed.

We were allowed to board at approximately 3:00pm, but, with one thing and another (including another 15 minute ramp closure because of more lightning), we did not depart DFW for LAS until approximately 3:50pm, arriving in LAS at 4:10pm local time (PDT).

All of which is perhaps a long-winded way of saying that American (and every other airline at DFW) experienced even more delays of about 3 hours or so this afternoon while the storm ran its course over and past the airport. Although there was no hail, nor were there any tornadoes as far as I could tell, I could not help thinking that delays because of a strong and persistent thunderstorm was the last thing AA needed -- especially since they are still recovering from last Tuesday's difficulties.

I sure hope DFW and AA can catch a break for the next few days while they pull their schedule back together and get their planes back into service.

Regards,
Tony

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-04-08 20:42:47 and read 3058 times.

Quoting LASAirlinerEnth (Reply 29):

Good evening, everyone. I am a long-time reader of the site and this will be my first post.

Welcome Aboard.

Quoting LASAirlinerEnth (Reply 29):
The storm hit right at about noon Dallas time, bringing lots of rain, lots of brilliant lightning strikes within the airport perimeter, and crashes of thunder that drowned out the ambient terminal sounds. Given the lightning strikes, the ramp was closed.

Wow! Must have been quite a show. One of the few things I miss about living in the midwest is really strong thunderstorms. If your flight is going to be delayed, having it delayed for a brilliant natural pyrotechnics show is not a bad reason, IMHO.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: LASAirlinerEnth
Posted 2012-04-08 20:57:32 and read 2998 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 30):

Thanks much for the welcome, DocLightning! The storm was indeed quite an enjoyable show to watch. Although it made for a long day, I'm glad the AA and DFW folks kept the safety of their employees and their passengers top priority. And, I must say, in all of my years of airline travel, this delay ranks as one of the "better" ones, comparatively speaking.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: 5MillionMiler
Posted 2012-04-08 21:29:09 and read 2914 times.

Indeed DFW in the Spring time is usually in the line of fire at least once a week as the fronts move through. Get some really big storms there, and as much as it frustrates passengers who don't understand the dangerous weather, the airlines are at the mercy of the weather. Watching the videos from Tuesday's storm showed a hail barrage certainly above the normal. The one from inside the plane when you hear the hail nailing it was pretty wild... that aircraft definitely needed some work after that.

Airlines have it tough... if it's not fuel prices it's the weather... or terrorism... or volcanoes/earthquakes/floods. Not much happens quickly that helps the industry, but one event can wipe millions off the balance sheet in the blink of an eye.

Hope everything gets back to normal quickly... none of the carriers need this -- especially AA.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: Acey559
Posted 2012-04-08 22:08:34 and read 2851 times.

Quoting N243NW (Reply 26):

Wow no kidding? That's too bad and for once I can actually say I'm glad to be based at ORD instead of DFW!

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-04-09 06:44:15 and read 2584 times.

Quoting 5MillionMiler (Reply 32):
Indeed DFW in the Spring time is usually in the line of fire at least once a week as the fronts move through.

Get ready for another fun week in the Southern Plains.  http://www.spc.noaa.gov/

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2012-04-09 07:04:38 and read 2524 times.

Quoting LASAirlinerEnth (Reply 29):
I sure hope DFW and AA can catch a break for the next few days while they pull their schedule back together and get their planes back into service.

Welcome aboard, Tony.

Unfortunately the weather forcast for DFW is rain, and thunderstorms for most of this coming week. The chances of a storm in any perticular area of the DFW Mertoplex range from 20% through 60% for the rest of the week,, depnding on which day you look at. Some of these storms may not cause much of a delay, while others could have a more significant potential.

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: lasairlinerenth
Posted 2012-04-09 19:50:12 and read 2108 times.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
Welcome aboard, Tony.

Thanks for the welcome, KC135TopBoom!

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-04-09 21:12:15 and read 1979 times.

Lasairlinerenth,
Welcome aboard. I certainly lurked a long time before posting.


I can tell you that my 4:30 pm departure on Friday went without a hitch (flew AA 738). I'll ask around, but it seemed cleared up by Friday if not the weekend. Does anyone have stats?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: lasairlinerenth
Posted 2012-04-10 00:45:39 and read 1880 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 37):
Lasairlinerenth,
Welcome aboard. I certainly lurked a long time before posting.

Hey Lightsaber,

Thanks for the welcome aboard. It's totally cool to be posting after all the time I spent reading and enjoying the site w/out participating.

Best,
Tony

Topic: RE: AA DFW Recovery
Username: AABB777
Posted 2012-04-10 05:11:21 and read 1764 times.

Flew through DFW on Sunday 4/8 and AA's 4:55pm DFW-DCA flight had 80+ pax on the standby list. Not sure if it was related to the wx last week, but I've never seen a standby list that long. The gate area was hectic to say the least.


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