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Topic: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: flythere
Posted 2012-04-07 04:14:16 and read 28947 times.

Incident Time: 7 Apr 2012 17:44 local time (09:44 GMT)
According to local aviationists, flare was observed during landing of EK flight 384 bound from BKK at RWY 07L.
Involved aircraft is A6-EDQ. Evacuation was taken place on the runway.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-04-07 04:26:35 and read 28871 times.

Quoting flythere (Thread starter):
According to local aviationists, flare was observed during landing of EK flight 384 bound from BKK at RWY 07L.

I certainly hope it did flare during its landing! (Though I think you mean fire?)

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: superhub
Posted 2012-04-07 05:39:03 and read 28404 times.

07L is closed. 07R used for both arrivals and departures

Delays more than 1hr

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: CZ346
Posted 2012-04-07 06:33:04 and read 27900 times.

I actually just popped on a.net to see what was up with this.

I was on UA117 from EWR and we were scheduled to land at 1830 local. While we were decending through FL190 we levelled off pretty suddenly and went directly into what was clearly a teardrop entry into a hold. Having close to 60 stamps in my passport at HKG I knew that was a bit irregular. I turned to the guy I was sitting next to and said that somethings going on - entering holds like that doesnt happen for no reason. A few minutes later thr captain came on and said there was a disabled A/C shutting down a runway and we'll be in a hold for a while. The flight was PACKED and the route is riht on the threshold of the 772's range - so, after 5 circuts he came back and told us we were going to Macau. That is the LAST thing you want to hear after a 15hr non-stop polar crossing (even in F)... Luckily the pilots used their Jedi mind tricks with ATC and got us priority into HKG and we got in on time. When we deplaned I asked the pilots how they Got us into HKG and apparently they claimed they had a lot of cargo and could not use the runway at Macau...

Anyway - so what happened? I'm at the Marriot at HKG and can't see too much going on. Does anyone have any further information?

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: Raptor1090
Posted 2012-04-07 06:56:34 and read 27651 times.

avherald says it was blown tyres on landing.
How many tyres on an A380 need to be blown to make the aircraft disabled? I would guess that it would be more than a couple, pointing to the fact that it was more than just a hard landing.
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=44da4394&opt=0

[Edited 2012-04-07 06:58:50]

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: CCA
Posted 2012-04-07 07:10:40 and read 27476 times.

Anti skid failure same problem happened to a QF A380 last year in Sydney.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2012-04-07 09:04:43 and read 26877 times.

Heard that there was fire involved and multiple wheels had to be changed prior to the aircraft being towed off the runway. Not sure if they evacuated or deplaned via the steps as I have heard both versions. The runway is now reopened but the aircraft was blocking the north runway for around 4 hrs.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: superhub
Posted 2012-04-07 09:24:15 and read 26714 times.

The incident was reported as a headline on the local news.

Some passengers took a video of the onboard camera, and showed flames coming out of the right wheel

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: lhr380
Posted 2012-04-07 09:32:41 and read 26579 times.

Yikes indeed.

Filler

[Edited 2012-04-07 09:34:44]

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: flythere
Posted 2012-04-07 10:23:20 and read 25417 times.

Quoting superhub (Reply 7):
Some passengers took a video of the onboard camera, and showed flames coming out of the right wheel

I just got hold of the photos!
Here you go!

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: aquariusHKG
Posted 2012-04-07 10:45:37 and read 24917 times.

I was flying CX581 from CTS to HKG today, during departure we're expecting to land at 2030, but when we are near Hong Kong the pilot informed us that there's some delay "and chaos" at HKG, and we end up holding for another 20-30 minute before landing on the south runway. I was actually quite surprise that we landed on the South Runway as a I know that usually the North runway is the landing runway. End up getting off in a remote stand, something I havn't done since Kai Tak's day.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: AirlineCritic
Posted 2012-04-07 12:00:08 and read 23424 times.

Quoting flythere (Reply 9):
I just got hold of the photos!

Yikes! I guess the brakes locked. It is also interesting how the tail camera makes the passengers see things they would not otherwise have seen. Do RR-powered A380s have engine cameras? 

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-04-07 14:14:21 and read 21165 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
I certainly hope it did flare during its landing!

  

Quoting flythere (Reply 9):
I just got hold of the photos!

Thank you. That tells a story. Something with the anti-skid... I'd be curious to know more.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-04-07 14:31:58 and read 20861 times.

Quoting flythere (Thread starter):
Evacuation was taken place on the runway.

Photos show them using the forward stairs.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2012-04-07 16:38:27 and read 18652 times.

This is not a big deal. Anti-skid systems don't fail very often, but when the do on a heavy airplane it can be spectacular. This will of course mean replacing many wheels and tires, as well as the effected brakes, and trouble-shoot the anti-skid system and make repairs as needed.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2012-04-07 16:50:35 and read 18412 times.

Hasn't this bird just come out of heavy safety checks due to the issues with the wings? More maintenance already...

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: SR 103
Posted 2012-04-07 17:00:14 and read 18240 times.

I was on QR 817 from HKG to DOH last night and shortly after boarding, the captain came on to inform us of "an incident with a large aircraft on one of the runways." Almost 3 hours later we taxied by the EK 380 on our way to the lone active runway. Here are the pictures (sorry not the best...)

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/SR747300M/IMG_2590.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/SR747300M/IMG_2589.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f42/SR747300M/IMG_2588.jpg

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-04-07 17:03:41 and read 18205 times.

I take it the aircraft would be taken out of service for a few days pending investigations considering this was an "emergency"...

EK413

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: caljn
Posted 2012-04-07 18:15:47 and read 17090 times.

These birds are proving to be quite finicky.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: muzyck
Posted 2012-04-07 19:30:17 and read 15969 times.

Quoting SR 103 (Reply 16):
Here are the pictures (sorry not the best...)

Thanks for these. They are fine.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2012-04-07 20:39:59 and read 14915 times.

Quoting caljn (Reply 18):

Given the enormous gamble Airbus took with the A380, I would expect things like this to happen. I'd say something like this is expected..

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-04-07 22:10:36 and read 13809 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 20):

Airbus has taken an enormous gamble with the A380 & its certainly paid off...

EK413

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: Raptor1090
Posted 2012-04-08 00:05:52 and read 12400 times.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
This is not a big deal. Anti-skid systems don't fail very often, but when the do on a heavy airplane it can be spectacular. This will of course mean replacing many wheels and tires, as well as the effected brakes, and trouble-shoot the anti-skid system and make repairs as needed.

Okay, granted they may not be a big deal; but shouldn't there be additional precatuionary measures on a heavy airplane so that the wheels etc don't get affected to such an extent so as to diable the aircraft and put it out of service for a couple of days?

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-04-08 00:51:59 and read 11690 times.

Quoting Raptor1090 (Reply 22):
Okay, granted they may not be a big deal; but shouldn't there be additional precatuionary measures on a heavy airplane so that the wheels etc don't get affected to such an extent so as to diable the aircraft and put it out of service for a couple of days?

What do you propose? The systems did their job and everyone got off safely.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-04-08 01:22:13 and read 11148 times.

Quoting ZKOKQ (Reply 23):

& once again the aircraft has performed...

EK413

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: soon7x7
Posted 2012-04-08 02:52:50 and read 10370 times.

Quoting Raptor1090 (Reply 22):
Okay, granted they may not be a big deal; but shouldn't there be additional precatuionary measures on a heavy airplane so that the wheels etc don't get affected to such an extent so as to diable the aircraft and put it out of service for a couple of days?


Their are, but S---t happens. The aircraft is only a machine...not a magic carpet! When the 747 first arrived, many said it won'y fly, but it did. It constantly blew out tires till the tire manufacturers beefed up the belting internally. 747 landing gears have been redesigned 9 times over its history. The A380 and also 787 will both have teething pains as time goes on but as usual the wrinkles will be ironed out , then the forums will become dull and boring.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: Raptor1090
Posted 2012-04-08 03:29:23 and read 9734 times.

Quoting soon7x7 (Reply 25):
Their are, but S---t happens. The aircraft is only a machine...not a magic carpet! When the 747 first arrived, many said it won'y fly, but it did. It constantly blew out tires till the tire manufacturers beefed up the belting internally. 747 landing gears have been redesigned 9 times over its history. The A380 and also 787 will both have teething pains as time goes on but as usual the wrinkles will be ironed out , then the forums will become dull and boring.

Well I'm not blaming the aircraft for what happened, and I'm no expert to really comment on the failure - but, I'm just saying that if it is known that an anti skid failure may sometimes happen, as KC135TopBoom said, and that on a heavier aircraft the problem is greater, shouldn't the design accommodate a system to contain the damage to the affected part? It's not like it's the first time an anti skid failure has occured in aviation history.
Again, I'm no expert and things may actually be quite complex in reality - I'm just basing what I say on how it logically seems to me, an outsider.

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: StickShaker
Posted 2012-04-08 04:18:38 and read 9180 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 20):
Given the enormous gamble Airbus took with the A380, I would expect things like this to happen. I'd say something like this is expected..


No it is not expected.

Airbus took a significant commercial gamble when they launched the A380 program but they never gambled with the technical performance or inherent safety of the aircraft - it would not have received certification if they did. The safe landing of the QF 380 in SIN following an uncontained engine failure and the loss of many crucial systems is testament to the ability of the 380 to bring its passengers and crew home safely every time.



Regards,
StickShaker

[Edited 2012-04-08 04:21:00]

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-04-09 01:23:17 and read 7339 times.

Quoting caljn (Reply 18):
These birds are proving to be quite finicky.

Apparently not when flown correctly. If you land fast, stuff like burst tyres will happen.   

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 20):
Given the enormous gamble Airbus took with the A380, I would expect things like this to happen. I'd say something like this is expected..

I'd agree - burst tyres due to a fast landing are to be expected. Otherwise please explain in what way the A380 "is a gamble".

The plane involved managing to land successfully at Heathrow:

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Photo © Steve Brimley

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: johnclipper
Posted 2012-04-09 02:40:58 and read 6990 times.

Quoting StickShaker (Reply 27):
The safe landing of the QF 380 in SIN following an uncontained engine failure and the loss of many crucial systems is testament to the ability of the 380 to bring its passengers and crew home safely every time.

One time does not indicate "every time". Like every incident, there is an element of luck. I hope that there is never an A380 hull loss involving loss of life (since the number of pax would be higher that anything we are accustomed to), but to say every time that the A380 will bring all aboard home safely based on one incident is too big of a blanket statement.

I hope you have not jinxed it now...

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: StickShaker
Posted 2012-04-10 07:31:55 and read 5374 times.

Quoting johnclipper (Reply 29):
but to say every time that the A380 will bring all aboard home safely based on one incident is too big of a blanket statement.

I'll rephrase it to "The 380 has no design flaws that make it more vulnerable to mishaps than any other commercial jet aircraft".

Quoting johnclipper (Reply 29):
I hope you have not jinxed it now...

OK - I apologise in advance to any future pax that might get a nasty fright aboard the 380.  



Regards,
StickShaker

Topic: RE: EK A380 Incident At HKG
Username: WingedMigrator
Posted 2012-04-10 08:46:00 and read 5197 times.

Avherald has detail photos of the damaged gear, including a close-up of one of the wheels nearly ground down to the axle. Very impressive, and not so surprising when you consider that each wheel carries something like 20 metric tonnes on landing.


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