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Topic: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: shanxz
Posted 2012-05-01 22:45:19 and read 23790 times.

Speaking at Arabian Travel Market (ATM), the Middle East’s premier travel trade event taking place in Dubai this week, Qatar Airways Chief Executive Officer Akbar Al Baker unveiled the expansion plans covering a wide network of markets across the carrier’s global network.

Al Baker: “This year alone will see Qatar Airways take delivery of one new aircraft every 15 days, so there are plenty of opportunities to look at inducting them into service on both new and well established routes.”


2012 New Routes

• Baku, AZERBAIJAN – Feb 1: DAILY using A320s
• Tbilisi, GEORGIA – Feb 1: DAILY using A320s
• Kigali, RWANDA – March 21: DAILY using A320s via Entebbe
• Zagreb, CROATIA – May 9: DAILY using an A320 via Budapest
• Erbil, IRAQ – May 23: 4-times-a-week using Airbus A320s
• Baghdad, IRAQ – June 7 : 4-times-a-week using Airbus A320s
• Perth, AUSTRALIA – July 3: 3-times-a-week using Boeing 777s, rising to DAILY in December
• Kilimanjaro, TANZANIA – July 25: DAILY A320 service via Nairobi
• Mombasa, KENYA – Aug 15: DAILY A320 service via Dar Es Salaam
• Yangon, MYANMAR – Oct 3: 3-times-a-week using Airbus A319, rising to DAILY in late Oct
• Belgrade, SERBIA – Sept (Date TBC)
• Helsinki, FINLAND – (Date TBC)
• Zanzibar, TANZANIA – (Date TBC)


2012 Additional Frequency

• London Heathrow, UK 4 to 5 flights DAILY from March
• Milan, ITALY 11 flights a week to DOUBLE DAILY from May
• Paris, FRANCE 16 to 18 flights a week from December
• Kuala Lumpur, MALAYSIA 17 to 21 flights a week from September
• Abu Dhabi, UAE 35 to 42 flights a week (six daily) from June
• Muscat, OMAN 24 to 31 flights a week from March
• Kuwait City, KUWAIT 49 to 56 flights a week (eight daily) from June
• Cairo, EGYPT 11 to 12 flights a week from June
• Algiers, ALGERIA 7 to 11 flights a week from March
• Jakarta, INDONESIA 7 to 10 flights a week from March

So, QR following in EK's footsteps to take over the world?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: oykie
Posted 2012-05-01 22:58:43 and read 23684 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
So, QR following in EK's footsteps to take over the world?

It almost seems like it! It is very impressive to see how they are able to expand this quickly and still be doing well. It seems like they have found a sweetspot in the longhaul market. How well will the 1 stop routes perform? Do EK also follow this strategy?

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
Cairo, EGYPT 11 to 12 flights a week from June

I see that they are not adding more frequencies to Norway. Does anyone know how that route is performing? I tried to book a flight with Qatar from OSL-DOH-CAI, but it is not possible to book this route. I know that this will make the journey much longer than going strait to CAI from a European city, but as a plane nerd, it would be cool   (Sorry for going a bit of topic.)

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-05-01 23:57:46 and read 23340 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 1):
How well will the 1 stop routes perform? Do EK also follow this strategy?

I know HRE is served by EK as a one-stop route, I have no idea how well they are, or will do, but I'd imagine quite well with the absence of UM. I'd expect HRE to go non-stop at some point in the future, but of course that will remain to be seen.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: cedars747
Posted 2012-05-02 00:13:44 and read 23238 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 1):
I see that they are not adding more frequencies to Norway. Does anyone know how that route is performing? I tried to book a flight with Qatar from OSL-DOH-CAI, but it is not possible to book this route. I know that this will make the journey much longer than going strait to CAI from a European city, but as a plane nerd, it would be cool (Sorry for going a bit of topic.)


I did it from OSL to BEY via DOH and believe me it's far more cooler and better than the boring OSL-FRA-BEY and i am lucky that OSL-BEY is bookable thru the Qatar airways website.
Ah!!!! by the way the flight from OSL to DOH was full in both ways

[Edited 2012-05-02 00:20:33]

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: FlyboyOz
Posted 2012-05-02 00:49:46 and read 22992 times.

It's somewhat a little impressive...Qatar should fly two more major cities in Australia!!!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: oykie
Posted 2012-05-02 02:09:19 and read 22501 times.

Quoting cedars747 (Reply 3):

I did it from OSL to BEY via DOH and believe me it's far more cooler and better than the boring OSL-FRA-BEY

That I can understand. Must be much more comfortable  
Quoting cedars747 (Reply 3):
by the way the flight from OSL to DOH was full in both ways

   Thanks for the info!

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I know HRE is served by EK as a one-stop route, I have no idea how well they are, or will do, but I'd imagine quite well with the absence of UM. I'd expect HRE to go non-stop at some point in the future, but of course that will remain to be seen.

The population should support a direct flight. I had no idea EK do one-stop routes. Thanks for the input!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: scouseflyer
Posted 2012-05-02 02:57:39 and read 22173 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
So, QR following in EK's footsteps to take over the world?

Yes and no, they're definitely in expansion mode which is exciting but they differ from EK in having small aircraft in their fleet as well as large ones. This allows them to start shorter flights with a smaller aircraft before sending a A330 or 777.

5 dailys to London - I'd suggest that they're in need of their A380s sooner rather than later!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: chris7217
Posted 2012-05-02 03:05:00 and read 22003 times.

I'm surprised to see QR is not going to add more flights to HKG.

Do they not perform well enough on this sector?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: faro
Posted 2012-05-02 03:17:21 and read 21747 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 1):
It is very impressive to see how they are able to expand this quickly and still be doing well.

"..and still be doing well" remains to be evidenced by financial documentation.

IIRC they were to due to go public in 2012, is this still in in the cards or is it being delayed? When is the new Doha airport due to be operational? How many of the above new flights depend on its additional capacity?

I really wish them all the best with their expansion plans. Being an accountant by trade, it would also be nice to see some financials sometime soon...


Faro

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-05-02 03:26:55 and read 21515 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 5):
The population should support a direct flight. I had no idea EK do one-stop routes. Thanks for the

I agree the traffic from US, Europe and Asia may very well create enough demand to HRE that EK may end up flying to HRE non-stop from DXB. This is in addition to the traffic from Zimbabwe to the World. EK's presence in HRE may hurt ET and the few other African carriers flying there, and SAA will continue to be the big kid on the block. I think BA coming back to HRE is possible, even if Air Zim does some sort of resurrection, people will be wary, and not wish to fly them. I further wonder if UM's debts may follow any new Zimbabwe carrier, in the eyes of foreign debtors.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Delta777Jet
Posted 2012-05-02 04:21:16 and read 20505 times.

I think its very good strategy to fly all these mid range routes by A320 instead of widebody, must give them a lot of flexibility to open small markets.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: fraapproach
Posted 2012-05-02 04:25:08 and read 20410 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 5):
Quoting cedars747 (Reply 3):

I did it from OSL to BEY via DOH and believe me it's far more cooler and better than the boring OSL-FRA-BEY

That I can understand. Must be much more comfortable

For aviation geeks maybe, but OSL-DOH-BEY is 4.213 miles vs. 2.477 miles via FRA. thats about 4-5 hours additional flying time. Not sure if thats really so much more comfortable for everybody. Seems a bit odd to me....

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: SSPhoenix
Posted 2012-05-02 04:26:10 and read 20370 times.

Nairobi, Mombasa, Zanzibar Island, Kilimanjaro, Dar Es Salaam.

This is a brilliant strategy ... the population outside of Nairobi have far too long been subject to travel to JKIA (NBO) first.

EK has a massive presence in NBO and Dar Es Salaam. So QR serving these "Secondary" cities is a boost.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: nclmedic
Posted 2012-05-02 04:29:19 and read 20326 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
So, QR following in EK's footsteps to take over the world?

I certainly hope they don't go completely overboard. IMO, EK has expanded so fast that they're in danger of 'make 'em cheap, pile 'em high'. Their customer service has certainly suffered in some areas (you just can't train enough quality staff and supervise them with adequately experienced staff when you've expanded so quickly). QR still has a very luxury, exclusive image (and a 5-star rating) so it would be a shame to see that compromised in favour of very rapid expansion.

QR is a very different company to EK. And I hope it stays that way!

But to contradict everything I've just said, it would be great to see them fly out of more UK airports than just LHR and MAN!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: pnd100
Posted 2012-05-02 04:34:33 and read 20200 times.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 13):
I certainly hope they don't go completely overboard. IMO, EK has expanded so fast that they're in danger of 'make 'em cheap, pile 'em high'. Their customer service has certainly suffered in some areas (you just can't train enough quality staff and supervise them with adequately experienced staff when you've expanded so quickly). QR still has a very luxury, exclusive image (and a 5-star rating) so it would be a shame to see that compromised in favour of very rapid expansion.

QR is a very different company to EK. And I hope it stays that way!

This is very accurate. There are some who still have fond memories of how EK was 10 years ago & assume the carrier is the same today. The marketing by EK reinforces the idea. EK goes after the extremes of the market (ultra high paying & ultra low paying) whereas QR so far seems to be going after more of a higher paying mid-market passenger. Time will tell if expansion will dilute the product or not.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: simpsondude
Posted 2012-05-02 04:54:02 and read 19758 times.

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 13):
But to contradict everything I've just said, it would be great to see them fly out of more UK airports than just LHR and MAN!

Im surprised we didn't see EDI announced

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: shanxz
Posted 2012-05-02 04:58:13 and read 19674 times.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 6):
5 dailys to London - I'd suggest that they're in need of their A380s sooner rather than later!

They've actually just delayed delivery of their A380s!

Quoting faro (Reply 8):
When is the new Doha airport due to be operational?

12/12/12 is the D-Day for NDIA

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Airxliban
Posted 2012-05-02 05:20:15 and read 19248 times.

Quoting oykie (Reply 5):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I know HRE is served by EK as a one-stop route, I have no idea how well they are, or will do, but I'd imagine quite well with the absence of UM. I'd expect HRE to go non-stop at some point in the future, but of course that will remain to be seen.

The population should support a direct flight. I had no idea EK do one-stop routes. Thanks for the input!

I think it's one stop because of the crew lay over, i.e. they do not want to lay crew over in Zimbabwe. I don't think that will change for the foreseeable future regardless of what UM does or doesn't do.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: FSDan
Posted 2012-05-02 05:40:01 and read 18880 times.

Dang. I was hoping to see confirmation of at least one new US route (ORD, ATL, DTW, or BOS). When do they start taking delivery of 787s?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: mikey86
Posted 2012-05-02 05:52:37 and read 18582 times.

WOW! Thats quite an expansion for QR!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: gokmengs
Posted 2012-05-02 06:32:31 and read 17819 times.

Looking at all the Eastern Europe flights QR seems to be going after TK. TK is constricted due to IST and this will cost them...

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-05-02 07:01:30 and read 17264 times.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 6):
5 dailys to London

I'll take the freq. over 2 380s any day.

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 11):
For aviation geeks maybe, but OSL-DOH-BEY is 4.213 miles vs. 2.477 miles via FRA. thats about 4-5 hours additional flying time. Not sure if thats really so much more comfortable for everybody. Seems a bit odd to me....

Masochist or mileage junkie or both.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: sq_ek_freak
Posted 2012-05-02 07:20:08 and read 16882 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
Al Baker: “This year alone will see Qatar Airways take delivery of one new aircraft every 15 days, so there are plenty of opportunities to look at inducting them into service on both new and well established routes.”

That's simply astounding to comprehend.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
• Perth, AUSTRALIA – July 3: 3-times-a-week using Boeing 777s, rising to DAILY in December

Odd that Perth didn't get daily to begin with - this due to lack of aircraft?


Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
Jakarta, INDONESIA 7 to 10 flights a week from March

I'm surprised they aren't double or even triple daily to CGK.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
Kigali, RWANDA – March 21: DAILY using A320s via Entebbe

This is an awesome move by QR - I am certain they will do very well to Kigali. KLM must be peeved to say the least.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 2):
I know HRE is served by EK as a one-stop route, I have no idea how well they are, or will do, but I'd imagine quite well with the absence of UM. I'd expect HRE to go non-stop at some point in the future, but of course that will remain to be seen.

I'm sure of it once more aircraft come online.

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 4):
It's somewhat a little impressive...Qatar should fly two more major cities in Australia!!!

Oh this will happen and then some in the somewhat near future, I'm sure.

Quoting oykie (Reply 5):

The population should support a direct flight. I had no idea EK do one-stop routes. Thanks for the input!

EK has several one stops in the network - BKK-HKG, CMB-SIN, GIG-EZE, MLE-CMB to name a few, and all the trans-Tasman hops as well.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 14):
QR so far seems to be going after more of a higher paying mid-market passenger.

What makes you say this? QR has some of the cheapest fares out there, with EK tending to be priced a bit higher than them.

Quoting Airxliban (Reply 17):
I think it's one stop because of the crew lay over, i.e. they do not want to lay crew over in Zimbabwe. I don't think that will change for the foreseeable future regardless of what UM does or doesn't do.

This is a common misconception but this isn't the case - EK wanted to open Lusaka and Harare but had to do the tag on due to insufficient aircraft being available to schedule both as non-stops. This will also allow EK to get some market penetration before they go direct to both. EK would layover crew in HRE for sure I'd think - we do layovers in Lagos and other cities with a bit more "dubious" security - the airline just takes extra security measures for us when we are in town.

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):

I'll take the freq. over 2 380s any day.

Qatar will do both - look at EK; soon to be an all A380 operation to LHR!

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: danimarroquin
Posted 2012-05-02 07:53:36 and read 16230 times.

mmmm no ambicious plans to south america ????

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-05-02 08:14:09 and read 15846 times.

Quoting SSPhoenix (Reply 12):
the population outside of Nairobi have far too long been subject to travel to JKIA (NBO) first.

True, or to use KLM and Oman Air, also most direct charter flights link Europe only,

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 22):
This is an awesome move by QR - I am certain they will do very well to Kigali. KLM must be peeved to say the least.

for the inaugural flight (a trip report will be posted here soon...) on board a 144 seats A320, the loads were:

Y: 4 passengers (revenue?)
J: 6 passengers, (5 non rev: Akbar Al Baker and his team)


Few days later on QR537

a/ Kigali - Entebbe

- Y: more less 35 travellers
- J: empty

nobody got off in Uganda

b/ Entebbe - Doha

- Y: nearly or full cabin
- J: no idea

[Edited 2012-05-02 08:16:22]

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-05-02 08:16:40 and read 16110 times.

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 6):
5 dailys to London - I'd suggest that they're in need of their A380s sooner rather than later!

They better! I was in London the last two weeks - and I got tired of seeing the EK whales in the sky. Some new colors would surely be nicer! 
Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 21):
I'll take the freq. over 2 380s any day.

Yes - jokes, aside - the frequency is far more useful from a traveler's perspective. 77Ws and 346s are in no way small jets anyway. I guess my whale wow factor has worn off!

Quoting nclmedic (Reply 13):
I certainly hope they don't go completely overboard. IMO, EK has expanded so fast that they're in danger of 'make 'em cheap, pile 'em high'. Their customer service has certainly suffered in some areas (you just can't train enough quality staff and supervise them with adequately experienced staff when you've expanded so quickly). QR still has a very luxury, exclusive image (and a 5-star rating) so it would be a shame to see that compromised in favour of very rapid expansion. QR is a very different company to EK. And I hope it stays that way!

I hope you are right - QR Economy class over EK any day - but I have my doubts. This level of expansion is very hard to maintain with quality ... and as ABB brags, if a new aircraft is added every 15 days, they have to churn out a whole lot more skilled and well-trained crew members every week! I hope that's where their focus is.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
So, QR following in EK's footsteps to take over the world?

Yes, it would seem so. In their own ways. They may not be using ALL wide-bodies like EK, but they are trying to do the same thing. Connecting as many cities as possible and channel through Doha. Their market choice and operational size is slightly smaller and tailored to secondary cities, that's all.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: rajtravels
Posted 2012-05-02 10:35:43 and read 13690 times.

I was expecting some expansion in US like MIA, DTW, SFO. As you know EK is doing damp good with SFO market. Flight is almost full every day. There is no EK/EY service yet to DTW and MIA.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Checo77
Posted 2012-05-02 10:50:14 and read 13584 times.

Does anybody know if QR is planning to open a route to PRG someday? If they fly to BUD, VIE, BEG and ZAG, why not PRG? Similar cities + the market is there. EK expanded in PRG from a A330 to a 77W last year due to high demand.

Adam

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: by738
Posted 2012-05-02 10:59:38 and read 13420 times.

Quoting simpsondude (Reply 15):
Im surprised we didn't see EDI announced

Im not. Against an established EK service less than 50 miles away it is neither of the carriers routines to do such especially to relatively small markets

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: catiii
Posted 2012-05-02 11:00:15 and read 13412 times.

Nothing to validate the Bloomberg story from a few weeks back about expansion into ATL, DTW, BOS, ORD, and expanded frequencies to JFK. Interesting. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...icago-as-787-deliveries-begin.html

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2012-05-02 11:23:58 and read 12945 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 9):
I agree the traffic from US, Europe and Asia may very well create enough demand to HRE that EK may end up flying to HRE non-stop from DXB. This is in addition to the traffic from Zimbabwe to the World. EK's presence in HRE may hurt ET and the few other African carriers flying there, and SAA will continue to be the big kid on the block. I think BA coming back to HRE is possible, even if Air Zim does some sort of resurrection, people will be wary, and not wish to fly them. I further wonder if UM's debts may follow any new Zimbabwe carrier, in the eyes of foreign debtors.

Lots of good info on developments at UM from sepultallica, read some at the African Aviation Thread Part 7 (by ETinCaribe Apr 19 2012 in Civil Aviation) thread.

Quoting eastafspot (Reply 24):
b/ Entebbe - Doha

- Y: nearly or full cabin
- J: no idea

EBB seems to be doing well for many carriers.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: danfearn77
Posted 2012-05-02 11:24:58 and read 12914 times.

If I'm correct MAN will be back up to double daily by end of Oct. Up from 10x weekly now.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: unityofsaints
Posted 2012-05-02 11:28:02 and read 12853 times.

Given Australia is slowly starting to look nicely served by QR, how likely does everyone think it is for them to expand to New Zealand in the next couple of years?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-05-02 11:49:54 and read 12528 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
Al Baker: %u201CThis year alone will see Qatar Airways take delivery of one new aircraft every 15 days, so there are plenty of opportunities to look at inducting them into service on both new and well established routes.%u201D

I had no idea QR was looking at two dozen new aircraft in 2012.    I expected their growth to slow prior to the new DOH airport. Boy did I guess wrong...

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
London Heathrow, UK 4 to 5 flights DAILY from March
Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
• Paris, FRANCE 16 to 18 flights a week from December

These two markets plus JFK, YYZ, PEK, PVG, and IAH are the markets I would expect QR to launch A380 service to, once they decide to accept the A388. Note: I do not expect all of those markets to be A380 ready when QR first receives A380s.

My quick logic:
1. Better hub banks increase demand for QR and thus RASM
2. Start with the A380. Ideally somewhere EK doesn't already fly it for marketing purposes (even if for a one year 'stunt').
3. This builds up the possibility to expand the other side of QR's hub. Eventually another route becomes A380 ready from a demand standpoint.
4. Keep repeating.

I believe between the low CASM of the A380 and taking advantage of the hub banks, this is how EK has pushed their growth. For example, they started in constrained markets (LHR, YYZ, we'll ignore JFK for now...) and then used that feed to expand Africa, Asia, and Australia which then went (will go) to the A380 for select destinations.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
• Kuala Lumpur, MALAYSIA 17 to 21 flights a week from September

Serious question, doe Kuala Lumpur present an opportunity for QR for the A380? By that, is the premium load decent with at least moderate premium yield?

EK A380 destinations (16 today, EK just notes 20 by year end 2012):
http://www.emirates.com/english/flyi...dule/emirates_flight_schedule.aspx

Note: Google cached an earlier version with 21 A380 destinations for 2012. Is thisdue to A380s being pulled to fix the wing cracks?

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 22):
QR has some of the cheapest fares out there, with EK tending to be priced a bit higher than them.

I suspect QR's yields will improve once they optimize their hubbing a bit more. That will take a year or two of operations at the new DOH airport. IMHO, EK has managed their hub banks brilliantly. Better than I thought hub banks could be managed. The hub waves also provide a tremendous marketing advantage as a new EK route doesn't have to have much demand for anywhere when it might be 20 passengers to 15 (or more) destinations.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: PezySPU
Posted 2012-05-02 12:31:48 and read 11750 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
• Belgrade, SERBIA – Sept (Date TBC)

I think this one was supposed to operate via ESB.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Cassi
Posted 2012-05-02 12:38:53 and read 11608 times.

Quoting faro (Reply 8):
it would also be nice to see some financials sometime soon...

Indeed, it is hard to believe that QR's efficiency is close to EK's if the profit figures are to be believed and the anecdotal evidence regarding the load factors is more or less correct. Adding many more low frequency routes operated by narrowbodies won't help the bottom line.

Quoting ASA (Reply 25):
the frequency is far more useful from a traveler's perspective

From a business traveller's perspective, yes, but I don't think it is a deciding factor for the majority.

Quoting pnd100 (Reply 14):
and a 5-star rating

I wonder how strongly a new European QR customer feels the 5-star magic after a 5+ hours flight to DOH on an A320, followed by another 5+ hours flight on an A319 to Yangon...

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-05-02 12:48:28 and read 11393 times.

Is QR doing an Eastern European expansion? IMHO, that region has been under-served by the mid-east airlines and provides an opportunity for growth.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Checo77
Posted 2012-05-02 12:58:53 and read 11193 times.

Quoting Cassi (Reply 35):
I wonder how strongly a new European QR customer feels the 5-star magic after a 5+ hours flight to DOH on an A320, followed by another 5+ hours flight on an A319 to Yangon...

           

I always prefere to take wide-body aircraft even if the price is a little higher. I am sure I am not the only one doing this.

Adam

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: shankly
Posted 2012-05-02 13:19:38 and read 10857 times.

Surprised JNB, DUR and CPT are not on those lists, whereas EK has consistently raised the bar annually, in terms of both bigger metal and frequency, to all those destinations.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: bjorn14
Posted 2012-05-02 14:09:58 and read 10115 times.

I wonder if Qatar could support an U/LCC ala flyDubai at the NDIA which will have 80 gates when completed in 2015?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: HELyes
Posted 2012-05-02 16:21:39 and read 8577 times.

Quoting shanxz (Thread starter):
• Helsinki, FINLAND – (Date TBC)

Can't wait   QR please don't change your mind...

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: soups
Posted 2012-05-02 16:33:20 and read 8437 times.

Still awaiting DOH-ACC

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: lukeyboy95
Posted 2012-05-02 16:52:24 and read 8256 times.

Quoting Cassi (Reply 35):
I wonder how strongly a new European QR customer feels the 5-star magic after a 5+ hours flight to DOH on an A320, followed by another 5+ hours flight on an A319 to Yangon...

All the narrow-body flights I have taken with QR are surprisingly excellent. One doesn't feel cramped as you would predict on this type of sector. Trust me, they're industry setting on their mid-haul, narrow-body flights. . . .
However!
I'll be the first to say QR's ground handling is absolutely diabolical when things go wrong, and the airline has a cheek to provide such a shoddy interface to customers transiting. This is by own personal experiences which can be accounted for in African Safari (ii) ;The Interlude QR LXR-DOH-KUL (by lukeyboy95 Apr 13 2012 in Trip Reports)

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: nomorerjs
Posted 2012-05-02 17:32:47 and read 7780 times.

ORD is only a matter of time, only question is when and if they will beat EK to the market. Would be great to see other US markets added (mentioned ATL, BOS, DTW with 787's), but time will tell.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: FSDan
Posted 2012-05-02 17:42:27 and read 7664 times.

I'll ask again: when is QR going to begin taking 787 deliveries? Maybe they are waiting to announce additional longhaul routes until they have a more solid idea of when they'll have them?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: gingersnap
Posted 2012-05-02 18:14:22 and read 7342 times.

Quoting simpsondude (Reply 15):
Im surprised we didn't see EDI announced

I'm not surprised. QR would be all but surrounded by EK if they started service to EDI.

Not only do you have EK operating out of GLA to the West, but also NCL to the South just across the border. Both NCL & GLA are easily reached from pretty much anywhere within Scotland.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: LipeGIG
Posted 2012-05-02 20:44:58 and read 6180 times.

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 23):
mmmm no ambicious plans to south america ????

It's something for 2013 or beyond. They can use A320's closer to DOH, but to South America they need 777's
There are rumors about a second route to Brazil by next year.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-05-02 20:56:12 and read 6068 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 22):
Odd that Perth didn't get daily to begin with - this due to lack of aircraft?

Indeed I believe PER was initially to be started with an A330 thrice weekly then moving to a daily A330 then B77L. Looks like they are missing a step.

Quoting Checo77 (Reply 27):

Does anybody know if QR is planning to open a route to PRG someday?

Strange QR will shortly be using centralised load control, by which load control will be done for all flights in one location. Strangely not Doha but in fact PRG. Yet they don't even fly there.... The power of lower costs one assumes.

Quoting unityofsaints (Reply 32):
Given Australia is slowly starting to look nicely served by QR, how likely does everyone think it is for them to expand to New Zealand in the next couple of years?

I would disagree that two destination (one yet to start) on the opposite sides of the continent is nicely even if slowly served perhaps if they were serving SYD or BNE or even ADL I would agree. Australia is a very competitive market, with competition from the big three gulf carriers very strong not to mention the incumbent Asian carriers. Apart from PER I see a very hard road for QR ahead.

As much as I would love to see MEL extended on to New Zealand I just cant see even QR being able to compete with VA/DJ, QF, LA, not to mention EK (soon to be A380s from MEL and already A380s from SYD + 777 to CHC from BNE and SYD). Part of EK's success in Eastern Australia is due to their feed from NZ plus the ability to increase utilisation during the day to NZ.

But again I'd love to see QR serve serve AKL hopefully from MEL and they have shown they are not afraid of tag on services before growing them to non-stop.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-05-02 22:08:48 and read 5601 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 44):
I'll ask again: when is QR going to begin taking 787 deliveries? Maybe they are waiting to announce additional longhaul routes until they have a more solid idea of when they'll have them?

I have the same question. All we heard in other forums was that they'll receive 5 787s this year and one will be deployed for the 5th daily LHR run. I hope one of them will be sent off to the US ... BOS maybe?

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: pzurita1
Posted 2012-05-03 07:49:52 and read 4701 times.

Quoting danimarroquin (Reply 23):
mmmm no ambicious plans to south america ????

I guess MEX and BOG are the biggest holes in both QR and EK network. However, one has to consider they are both high altitude airports and pushing the limits distance-wise from DOH and Dubai. They would require a one-stop service taking out a lot of the convinence of using Middle East as a connecting point.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: AF086
Posted 2012-05-03 07:58:49 and read 4663 times.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 46):
It's something for 2013 or beyond. They can use A320's closer to DOH, but to South America they need 777's There are rumors about a second route to Brazil by next year.

Still waiting for the long rumoured DOH-GIG-SCL service to be announced.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Tristarsteve
Posted 2012-05-03 08:58:53 and read 4461 times.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 44):
I'll ask again: when is QR going to begin taking 787 deliveries?

They expect to have it delivered to the Farnborough air show this summer.

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: RJ_Delta
Posted 2012-05-03 11:41:05 and read 4210 times.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 50):
Still waiting for the long rumoured DOH-GIG-SCL service to be announced.

DOH-GIG-SCL? Where you here it? Any confirmed source?

Best Regards,

Topic: RE: Qatar Airways Announces Major Expansion For 2012
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-05-03 16:46:37 and read 3818 times.

In regards to NZ service, why not DOH-PER-AKL/CHC? Right now the only competition is NZ on PER-AKL and that goes out full most days.


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