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Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-01 20:04:42 and read 21658 times.

Welcome to the New Zealand aviation thread. In New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 112 (by PA515 Mar 5 2012 in Civil Aviation) we discussed:

- Air Asia X pulls out of CHC
- NZ terminates PEK services, increases PVG
- AR withdraws from AKL
- NZ terminates codeshare with JL, begins codeshare with NH
- TG BKK-AKL switch to 346 cancelled, 772 continue to operate these flights
- Mount Cook ATR service disruptions
- LA reliability
- NZ South American opportunities

Other threads related to New Zealand Aviation:
AR To Drop AKL, Start EZE-SYD Nonstop (by yeogeo Mar 29 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-01 21:28:38 and read 21655 times.

Got an e-mail from NZ yesterday informing DPS flights have changed. Now departing AKL at 1905, arrives in DPS at 0035. Departs DPS at 0805, arrives AKL at 2005. Still excellent for connecting flights to AKL but still requires an over-night stay at the airport/hotel

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-04-01 21:43:58 and read 21629 times.

Seems odd. Now a longer turn around in DPS and a midnight arrival. Why now

AKL 1200 DPS 1930
DPS 2100 AKL 0900

They could do that or maybe 1-2 hours later to allow a few more domestic connections for AKL-DPS.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-04-01 21:48:08 and read 21613 times.

I believe that there is some sort of maintenance work going on (or planned ) at DPS, isn't there? I am sure I read somewhere that this restricts hours of operation.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-01 22:55:20 and read 21553 times.

The Black 77W scheduled to drop into WLG on its way to do flypast at Wanaka on Sunday 8th.
NZ6693 AKL-WLG 0945-1045
NZ6694 WLG-AKL 1115-1400 via Wanaka

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-01 22:58:11 and read 21543 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Got an e-mail from NZ yesterday informing DPS flights have changed. Now departing AKL at 1905, arrives in DPS at 0035. Departs DPS at 0805, arrives AKL at 2005. Still excellent for connecting flights to AKL but still requires an over-night stay at the airport/hotel

The arrival time is not attractive at all for most tourists. I suspect this maybe an aircraft utilisation issue.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerohottie
Posted 2012-04-02 00:19:57 and read 21449 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
Seems odd. Now a longer turn around in DPS and a midnight arrival. Why now

AKL 1200 DPS 1930
DPS 2100 AKL 0900

They could do that or maybe 1-2 hours later to allow a few more domestic connections for AKL-DPS.


The new schedule seems a bit odd. I like your proposed times though... but would go a few hours later

AKL 1500 DPS 2230
DPS 2359 AKL 1200

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-02 04:14:10 and read 21258 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 5):

How would it be an aircraft usage issue with the long lay over in DPS?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-02 04:23:31 and read 21251 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
How would it be an aircraft usage issue with the long lay over in DPS?

Depends on which flight the aircraft is used on before doing AKL-DPS (the departure time suggest a short haul flight like SYD-AKL), and which flight the aircraft will be used for upon return to AKL (AKL-KIX?). Parking the aircraft at DPS maybe cheaper than at AKL.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: macilree
Posted 2012-04-02 12:22:46 and read 21101 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 3):
I believe that there is some sort of maintenance work going on (or planned ) at DPS, isn't there?

Correct.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-03 01:46:55 and read 20845 times.

Pacific Blue 737-800 ZK-PBJ is now in Auckland painted in Virgin Australia colours and titles. This is the second NZ registered Virgin aircraft painted in the new Virgin Australia colours. The first was ZK-PBF "Virgin Samoa".

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-03 03:48:38 and read 20750 times.

So NZ replaced its A320 service this morning between AKL-NAN. Wonder how full it was coming back with a reported 2,000 Australian and New Zealand holidaymakers stranded in the flood ravaged nation? Presumably full. Would have been a nice upgrade opportunity.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-03 03:51:15 and read 20746 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 11):
So NZ replaced its A320 service this morning between AKL-NAN. Wonder how full it was coming back with a reported 2,000 Australian and New Zealand holidaymakers stranded in the flood ravaged nation? Presumably full. Would have been a nice upgrade opportunity.

Did that yesterday too and probably tomorrow as well I suppose..

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-03 04:04:35 and read 20733 times.

Meant to say 'with a 77W'.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-03 05:49:11 and read 20692 times.

A B744 was also used a few days ago on the NAN sector

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-04 20:15:59 and read 20301 times.

The Pacific Islands thread is gone (again), so this seems to be the next best place to ask this question: any idea where those 2 "new" Bandeirantes for Air Rarotonga come from?

http://www.cinews.co.ck/2012/February/Wed29/other.htm#1202231007

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-04 22:50:33 and read 20228 times.

With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-04-04 23:58:35 and read 20178 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 16):
With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?

I think you are jumping the gun a bit . Unless I have missed something there was a news story, since retracted, which said that TN had selected OW as the alliance they would like to join. I have heard no confirmation that OW has accepted them.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-05 00:06:29 and read 20175 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 16):
With TN joining ''Oneworld'' ! will this have an effect with NZ code-share on the AKL-PPT-LAX route?

Probably not. They still have an existing agreement, as they do for EY/VS which are not Star Alliance members either.

Of course pinning your all hopes on AA as your North American partner right now is risky - especially as TN is also in financial strife too.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aeroflop
Posted 2012-04-05 01:23:09 and read 20127 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 10):
Pacific Blue 737-800 ZK-PBJ is now in Auckland painted in Virgin Australia colours and titles. This is the second NZ registered Virgin aircraft painted in the new Virgin Australia colours. The first was ZK-PBF "Virgin Samoa".

Are the crew etc going to be paid Virgin Australia rates now that the whole company is "unifying'?
Or is it going to be the same deal like with Qantas and Jetconnect?

Mind you if the crew were paid aussie wages it would be VERY attractive to be working in NZ.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: PA515
Posted 2012-04-05 03:30:56 and read 20040 times.

One January in the early 1960's I flew CHC-AKL nonstop in an NAC F27. I was seated in the second or third row from the front on the right hand side and about two thirds of the way up the forward bulkhead was the word 'Godwit'.

Was this a reference to the NAC logo of a 'Godwit', or a reference to ZK-BXA 'Kuaka' (Godwit) ?

The airliners.net photo database has a photo of ZK-BXA at Whenuapai in the early 1960's, but I haven't found any interior shots of NAC F27's.

Thanks.

PA515

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-05 11:02:29 and read 19930 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 4):
The Black 77W scheduled to drop into WLG on its way to do flypast at Wanaka on Sunday 8th.
NZ6693 AKL-WLG 0945-1045
NZ6694 WLG-AKL 1115-1400 via Wanaka

Can we expect some video links to be posted later on Sunday?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: qslinger
Posted 2012-04-05 19:23:58 and read 19738 times.

All Blacks 777 in WLG.

Spotters in WLG: Where will be plane be parked for that 1/2 hour it in WLG? Can you recommend a good spotting place? I plan on being by the Warehouse viewing area! Can't wait for this beauty to land in WLG!!!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-05 23:11:42 and read 19645 times.

Quoting qslinger (Reply 22):

I suspect it will be parked outside the international gates as they won't be in use between 10.45-11.15am. Only good spot is beside the AVSEC building (attached to Airport Fire). Obviously the small viewing area beside the Westpac Rescue hanger, viewing area above the northern runway end and the southern end are the only good spots.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-06 17:41:37 and read 19375 times.

Does anyone know anything about QF50 (I presume - it departed again as that)/ZK-ZQF returning to AKL this morning? Just checked Flightradar and saw a departure out of AKL with a whole fuel reducing holding pattern off the west coast.. And now it's taking a far more northerly route to SYD, as if it was heading for BNE. Strange!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-07 01:18:07 and read 19310 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):
Does anyone know anything about QF50

Don't remember the reason off hand, but a northerly routing may indicate a non-etops compliant aircraft. To get to Australia they would have to stay close to LDH - which is well north of SYD.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-04-07 02:39:46 and read 19255 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 25):
Don't remember the reason off hand, but a northerly routing may indicate a non-etops compliant aircraft. To get to Australia they would have to stay close to LDH - which is well north of SYD.

ZK-ZQF so unlikely that reason.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):
Does anyone know anything about QF50 (I presume - it departed again as that)/ZK-ZQF returning to AKL this morning?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-07 14:16:31 and read 19323 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 26):
ZK-ZQF so unlikely that reason.

Why not?? What has ZK-ZQF got that means it is immune to adhering to engineering ETOPS standards??
The same would apply for JQ/NZ A320s from time to time if the defect meant that the ETOPS standards couldn't be met for the flight. An ETOPS rated aircraft can only fly with reduced ETOPS rating if it still meets the lower ETOPS standard, otherwise it means that effectively Non-Etops operations require it to keep very close to LDH. Effectively only SYD/OOL/BNE can be operated in this way.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ6
Posted 2012-04-07 14:26:43 and read 19320 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 2):
Seems odd. Now a longer turn around in DPS and a midnight arrival. Why now
Quoting cchan (Reply 5):
The arrival time is not attractive at all for most tourists. I suspect this maybe an aircraft utilisation issue.

It's got nothing to do with NZ. DPS runway is closed due resurfacing overnight. NZ has been forced to re-time it's flights as a result.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-04-07 18:25:43 and read 19193 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 26):
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 25):
Don't remember the reason off hand, but a northerly routing may indicate a non-etops compliant aircraft. To get to Australia they would have to stay close to LDH - which is well north of SYD.

ZK-ZQF so unlikely that reason.

I agree ZK-NBT very unlikely because AFAIK LDH cannot take B737 so useless for ETOP flight planning.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Unclekoru
Posted 2012-04-07 21:11:49 and read 19106 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 27):
Why not?? What has ZK-ZQF got that means it is immune to adhering to engineering ETOPS standards??
The same would apply for JQ/NZ A320s from time to time if the defect meant that the ETOPS standards couldn't be met for the flight. An ETOPS rated aircraft can only fly with reduced ETOPS rating if it still meets the lower ETOPS standard, otherwise it means that effectively Non-Etops operations require it to keep very close to LDH. Effectively only SYD/OOL/BNE can be operated in this way.

Correct, except it's Norfolk not Lord Howe Island that's used as the diversion airfield for flight planning purposes.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2012-04-10 20:19:19 and read 18467 times.

I wonder if anyone read an article in AirInsight today? It was about winglets or sharklets, and the person was saying that the advantages of these devices are very much exaggerated. He was saying they only achieve good fuel savings when the plane is flying at a very high altitude, on quite long segments. In fact, he says, when the plane is climbing, that has to be done very carefully so that the plane does not burn more fuel than a non-winglet plane.

So, in AirNZ future operations, what will the sharklets do? Are three hour Tasman sectors long enough to show a benefit? Will there be better field performance at (eg) Wellington and Queenstown? There would be a benefit for longer segments like Auckland to Adelaide and Auckland to Cairns? Or are sharklets just there to look cool?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-10 20:30:26 and read 18482 times.

Someone better tell ANZ that they won't join Star and this might put the breaks on them investing anymore money to try and get a grab at the OZ market.


Virgin Oz spruces up for NZ push

Virgin Australia has launched a fresh push into New Zealand to capture a bigger share of the corporate market with new livery, refurbished cabins and new services for what was its Pacific Blue fleet.

The airline, which is part owned by Air New Zealand - 19.99 % and SQ , has started flying the first of its Virgin Australia-branded aircraft on its transtasman and Pacific routes. It hopes to have all its 10 Boeing 737-800s painted in the new livery by the beginning of next year as part of a bid to capture more of the premium market.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/airlines/n...cle.cfm?c_id=113&objectid=10797972

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-10 23:42:40 and read 18313 times.

Think QF's probably more the target of DJ's rennaisance push back into the New Zealand market. Previously they'd been after the exclusively price sensitive vacationers only.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-11 01:05:49 and read 18235 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 31):
the person was saying that the advantages of these devices are very much exaggerated. He was saying they only achieve good fuel savings when the plane is flying at a very high altitude, on quite long segments. In fact, he says, when the plane is climbing, that has to be done very carefully so that the plane does not burn more fuel than a non-winglet plane.

Below is the link to the winglet used on Boeing aircraft. The diagrams for block fuel and load/range improvement are shown. It would seem that the savings on typical routes between city pairs in NZL are probably not worth the weight penalty. Would be interesting to get the input of a 767-300ER pilot on the matter of climb.

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products.php

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-11 02:58:12 and read 18142 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 32):
The airline, which is part owned by Air New Zealand - 19.99 % and SQ , has started flying the first of its Virgin Australia-branded aircraft on its transtasman and Pacific routes. It hopes to have all its 10 Boeing 737-800s painted in the new livery by the beginning of next year as part of a bid to capture more of the premium market.

ummmm... since when does SQ own any of DJ?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-04-11 10:10:58 and read 17990 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 34):
Below is the link to the winglet used on Boeing aircraft. The diagrams for block fuel and load/range improvement are shown. It would seem that the savings on typical routes between city pairs in NZL are probably not worth the weight penalty.

Interesting because Norwegian fly 737's with winglets all over Norway, some of the sectors are as short as 25 minutes, none much over 1.5 hours.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-11 10:36:59 and read 17974 times.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 36):
Interesting because Norwegian fly 737's with winglets all over Norway, some of the sectors are as short as 25 minutes, none much over 1.5 hours.

I am correct in my understanding that NZ did not order sharklets on the new domestic A320's ?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-04-11 12:51:54 and read 17930 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 37):
I am correct in my understanding that NZ did not order sharklets on the new domestic A320's ?

I think that's correct, the international one's have the sharklets.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: texan
Posted 2012-04-11 14:02:55 and read 17913 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 24):
Does anyone know anything about QF50 (I presume - it departed again as that)/ZK-ZQF returning to AKL this morning? Just checked Flightradar and saw a departure out of AKL with a whole fuel reducing holding pattern off the west coast.. And now it's taking a far more northerly route to SYD, as if it was heading for BNE. Strange!

I watched it take off at AKL. Landing gear didn't retract. Returned to AKL after circling.

Texan

Edit: Something else could have happened, but that was the problem visible from the ground.

[Edited 2012-04-11 14:08:43]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-11 16:42:43 and read 17795 times.

Quoting texan (Reply 39):

I watched it take off at AKL. Landing gear didn't retract. Returned to AKL after circling.

Great, thanks a lot. I wonder if that hampered its ETOPS ability then or if it flew near NLK for safety reasons.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 37):
I am correct in my understanding that NZ did not order sharklets on the new domestic A320's ?

The new domestic A320s have already been delivered AFAIK. And the sharkletted A320 is still in testing, right?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Asiaflyer
Posted 2012-04-11 21:26:22 and read 17655 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 40):
And the sharkletted A320 is still in testing, right?


First sharkletted production A320 has been seen in Toulouse, as MSN 5098, which should mean that flight testing must be close to completed.
Not sure which carrier it is intended for though.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: joelyboy911
Posted 2012-04-12 05:20:13 and read 17438 times.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 41):
Not sure which carrier it is intended for though.

I had bee under the impression that NZ was the launch customer for the A320 Sharklet. Is that the case? I can't remember where I read that...

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-12 14:59:33 and read 17294 times.

Quoting joelyboy911 (Reply 42):
I had bee under the impression that NZ was the launch customer for the A320 Sharklet. Is that the case? I can't remember where I read that...

Yes, NZ was the first airline to order the sharklet version.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aotearoa
Posted 2012-04-12 16:19:35 and read 17261 times.

The first 4 A320s for the domestic network have already been delivered. These are non sharklet aircraft which are leased by the airline.

The first A320 with sharklets is due in June 2013. At this point in time, these aircraft will be owned by the airline and registered with an OXA, OXB.....series. These will operate on the domestic network. There would be a fuel benefit by operating these a/c on the longer cruise segments of regional flights, however this fuel advantage needs to be balanced with the very substantial cost of renovating the current regional aircraft to the new domestic product. I heard that this calculation ensures the a/ c will be domestic bound.

There will be additional benefits in takeoff weight at performance limited runways like Queenstown.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-12 17:11:37 and read 17220 times.

Quoting aotearoa (Reply 44):
These will operate on the domestic network.

I was under the impression that the sharkletted ones were going to operate the international legs, with one current international A320 heading to domestic use, replacing a 733 for every new sharkletted A320 arrival..

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aotearoa
Posted 2012-04-12 18:57:12 and read 17154 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 45):

As I understand it, this is definitely not the case. The regional A320 fleet leases must start to expire mid decade, so I'm guessing NEO options would be looked at.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-04-12 19:28:41 and read 17129 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 45):
I was under the impression that the sharkletted ones were going to operate the international legs, with one current international A320 heading to domestic use, replacing a 733 for every new sharkletted A320 arrival..

That was what I had heard as well, on the other hand, I can't remember the source where I heard it from. Sharklets wouldn't really make sense for domestic stage lengths, would they?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-12 21:11:54 and read 17049 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 47):
That was what I had heard as well

Same here. I suppose we will see "international" 320 on domestic routes from time to time anyway.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-13 10:02:54 and read 16817 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 47):
I was under the impression that the sharkletted ones were going to operate the international legs, with one current international A320 heading to domestic use, replacing a 733 for every new sharkletted A320 arrival..

That was what I had heard as well, on the other hand, I can't remember the source where I heard it from. Sharklets wouldn't really make sense for domestic stage lengths, would they?

Problem could be with the Cabin Crew. The cabins Electronics etc are totally different on the new Domestic A320D vs the regional A320. Currently the Domestic Cabin crew cannot fly the early A320 while the International Cabin crew cannot fly the new A320D. Causes som eissues when a regional A320 is substituted for an A320D.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-13 11:04:41 and read 16800 times.

NZ to add 3rd ROT-SYD flight from 20th Dec to 31st Jan. Extra flight will operate on Thursdays during this time frame.
Thursday
NZ820 SYD etd 0700 ROT eta 1215
NZ823 ROT etd 1315 SYD eta 1500
Tuesday/Saturday
NZ820 SYD etd 0920 ROT eta 1435
NZ823 ROT etd 1535 SYD eta 1720

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: taieridrome
Posted 2012-04-14 18:38:21 and read 16391 times.

Does anyone have info on an incident involving an NZ Airbus and a light aircraft somewhere over Auckland in the last couple of days?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-14 19:58:33 and read 16408 times.

Quoting taieridrome (Reply 51):
Does anyone have info on an incident involving an NZ Airbus and a light aircraft somewhere over Auckland in the last couple of days?

The Air New Zealand Airbus A320 involved was ZK-OJN, flying flight NZ938 from OOL.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ2
Posted 2012-04-14 22:46:15 and read 16304 times.

Hi, wondering if anyone can help with some feedback. The wife and I go to London on Friday in PE and is first time long haul in PE, previously we have only flown in Biz. Does NZ provide an amenities kit, in particular shades and sockets, or should we take some left overs from previous trips? Also is the in flight service same or similar to Biz?

Lastly is NZ007 SFO to AKL on May 8th still scheduled for a 772? hoping for the 744 to be brought back for this flight but no doubt it is wishful thinking

cheers

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-15 01:35:25 and read 16211 times.

Quoting NZ2 (Reply 53):

Yes NZ provide the in-flight kit for Y+ customers but its in a pencil case type bag. In-flight service is the same as biz but with less wine choice I've found. If you have a favourite wine which isnt on the Y+ menu, simply ask and the FA will usually get it for you.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: deconz
Posted 2012-04-15 03:32:34 and read 16088 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 52):
Does anyone have info on an incident involving an NZ Airbus and a light aircraft somewhere over Auckland in the last couple of days?

article at ... http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel...Pilots-swooping-standard-procedure

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ2
Posted 2012-04-15 04:02:23 and read 16068 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 54):
Yes NZ provide the in-flight kit for Y+ customers but its in a pencil case type bag. In-flight service is the same as biz but with less wine choice I've found. If you have a favourite wine which isnt on the Y+ menu, simply ask and the FA will usually get it for you.

Thanks for this, cheers

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-04-15 05:11:03 and read 16039 times.

From the previous thread..

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
I'd now be surprised to see an independent Air New Zealand in 2016: I suspect that Virgin Australia or Qantas will take full control by then

I know extremely little about Kiwi aviation. Are their any national ownership laws that would prevent QF from taking control of NZ? I'd imagine politics would interfere in any such merger.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-15 06:01:38 and read 16016 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 57):
I know extremely little about Kiwi aviation. Are their any national ownership laws that would prevent QF from taking control of NZ? I'd imagine politics would interfere in any such merger.

Currently the New Zealand government owns a majority stake (from memory it is about 70% or so) in Air New Zealand but the current National government has plans to reduce this to to 51%. Any plans to reduce this further will be met with public outrage (and rightly so in my view).

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-04-15 06:41:15 and read 15997 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 57):
I know extremely little about Kiwi aviation. Are their any national ownership laws that would prevent QF from taking control of NZ

Apart from zkojq's answer above, there are no nationality law problems between Australia & New Zealand, NZL companies are regarded as Australian companies in Australia and vice versa in NZL.
Where a problem would arise is with other countries if NZ was more than 49% owned an Australian company, it probably couldn't use NZL traffic rights, which would be a problem.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-04-15 07:14:56 and read 15984 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 59):
Where a problem would arise is with other countries if NZ was more than 49% owned an Australian company, it probably couldn't use NZL traffic rights, which would be a problem.

I suppose they could find some NZL investors(using borrowed QF money) to buy enough of NZ to give QF effective control of the airline while not exceeding any ownership thresholds.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-04-15 15:22:09 and read 15856 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 60):

I suppose they could find some NZL investors(using borrowed QF money) to buy enough of NZ to give QF effective control of the airline while not exceeding any ownership thresholds.

True, but the problem with QF doing that would be Trade Practices law (Anti Trust) a QF/NZ tie up has been rejected several times in the past. A VA/NZ tie up would face far less such problems.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-04-15 17:34:02 and read 15775 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 61):
a QF/NZ tie up has been rejected several times in the past. A VA/NZ tie up would face far less such problems.

Did said rejection come at a time before the existence of DJ? Surely QF has no monopoly on the NZL-Australia market now.

Would some concessions like no NZL-Americas flying on QF metal(except fuel stops), and a guaranteed existence of NZ help with anti-trust concerns?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-15 18:00:45 and read 15767 times.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 61):
a QF/NZ tie up has been rejected several times in the past. A VA/NZ tie up would face far less such problems.

I don't view a future acquisition of Air NZ as necessarily being a voluntary joint venture.

The recent changes could be summarised as follows:

1. Focus on monopoly or duopoly routes as a means of optimising yields and minimising competition.
2. Degradation of all short-haul and medium-haul products and of long-haul economy, with only long-haul Premium Economy and Business retained as products which do not trail market standards.
3. Focus on redesigning the loyalty program to encourage retail partner loyalty and to discourage frequent flyer loyalty.

What is this a recipe for? It's a recipe for an airline to lose all its long-haul passengers apart from monopoly market ones, and for it to struggle as anything other than an all-economy domestic and short-haul carrier.

And it's a recipe which hands any competing airline on short and medium-haul services an automatic yield advantage if it chooses to offer a superior product - which is precisely what Borghetti has chosen to do in Australia, with superb results.

My fears are that once the current Air NZ management has finished its race to the bottom and driven the highest yielding passengers elsewhere there will no longer be a viable business model for the airline.

I can see Air NZ becoming a unit of Qantas (or Virgin Australia) which offers all-economy A320 flights domestically and in the South Pacific, and has a maximum of six widebody aircraft to fly AKL-LAX and from AKL to the parent's Asian hub. Chinese and Japanese airlines would operate any services from those countries, Hawaiian would operate from HNL, Air Canada would operate from YVR and SFO would close.

The second daily LAX and YVR and SFO services required Australian feed, and with S2S across the Tasman and Air NZ having chosen not to operate 777s from Australia to North America those services have no viable future anyway, as Qantas and Virgin will operate 787s from Australia to SFO and YVR.

As I've written before, New Zealand resembles Uruguay in its end of the line location, population around 4 million and location a few hours from Australian ports (cf GRU and GIG). And I think that Air New Zealand will end up slightly bigger than PLUNA.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-04-15 18:27:24 and read 15743 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 63):
What is this a recipe for? It's a recipe for an airline to lose all its long-haul passengers apart from monopoly market ones, and for it to struggle as anything other than an all-economy domestic and short-haul carrier.

And how long before they lose their monopoly status on all routes other than Japan? There was an article in the Sunday Star Times yesterday which seemed to suggest NZ was looking at axing another route after PEK and that they were seeking a JV with a US airline similar to the DJ/DL tieup, possible with UA.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-15 18:28:55 and read 15746 times.

I see integrated VA/NZ operations with two domestic divisions and a TT division under separate GM's and one International Div under a GM , all reporting to Borghetti. The shareholding need not change except that if the NZ Govt elect to reduce their interest to 51% by selling off to small investors it provides an opportunity for someone over time to acquire these shares as they come on the market. Or the NZ Govt may be better to find a strategic partner to pick up the block who will work for the success of the VA/NZ operational venture. I don't see QF in that role.Any way why would QF go for a minority position?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-15 20:11:46 and read 15705 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 65):
I see integrated VA/NZ operations with two domestic divisions and a TT division under separate GM's and one International Div under a GM , all reporting to Borghetti

I'm not sure that Borghetti needs Air NZ, after all current Air NZ management have taken approaches which are the opposite of those taken by Borghetti.

Example 1:
a) Borghetti has moved away from an all-economy short-haul model by adding two rows of Business Class to his 737 and E jet fleets.

b) Air NZ has moved to an all-economy short-haul model by removing two rows of Business Class from its A320 fleet.

Example 2:
a) Borghetti has taken action to move his frequent flyer program into a much MORE mainstream one, which provides market-leading benefits for all three tiers of elite frequent flyers - including earning bonuses for elite status - and denominates points at a standard inter-changable with Qantas frequent flyer so that all rewards - including much-coveted upgrades - are transparent and easy to compare with the opposition.

b) Air NZ has taken action to move its frequent flyer program into a much LESS mainstream one, which provides market-TRAILING benefits for all three tiers of elite frequent flyers - excludes earning bonuses for elite status - and denominates points at a unique standard inter-changable with no other airline so that rewards are neither transparent nor easy to compare with the opposition.

Example 3:
a) Borghetti personally reviewed long-haul service standards promptly upon taking over at VA. He retained 777 economy seating at nine abreast (3-3-3) and added free drinks in economy on all 777 international flights.

b) Air NZ has added an extra seat per row to its 777 fleet, configuring it ten abreast (3-4-3), and removing free drinks on many of the international sectors they operate.

The actions could not be more different. Isn't one of the two airlines therefore going in the wrong direction?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-15 20:50:03 and read 15683 times.

GA to return to AKL: http://www.3news.co.nz/Indonesian-ai.../421/articleID/250592/Default.aspx

No date given yet.. Nor if it'll be a CGK or DPS flight..

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: byronicle6
Posted 2012-04-15 21:53:34 and read 15635 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 67):

GA to return to AKL: http://www.3news.co.nz/Indonesian-ai.../421/articleID/250592/Default.aspx

No date given yet.. Nor if it'll be a CGK or DPS flight..

Interesting development, especially if they decide on a DPS flight with NZ resuming flights to DPS in around 2 months. Assume it will be operated by A330 metal

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: byronicle6
Posted 2012-04-15 22:03:12 and read 15648 times.

Have just read on Stuff.co.nz the flights will be CGK-AKL

"Indonesian airline Garuda is to resume direct flights from Auckland to Jakarta after signing a deal with Auckland International Airport today"

Article here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/6752...ect-flights-to-Indonesia-to-resume

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: CHCalfonzo
Posted 2012-04-15 22:13:38 and read 15628 times.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 69):

Have just read on Stuff.co.nz the flights will be CGK-AKL

"Indonesian airline Garuda is to resume direct flights from Auckland to Jakarta after signing a deal with Auckland International Airport today"

Article here:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/6752...esume

That article also says....

"In February Garuda ordered 230 new aircraft from Boeing in a $US22.4 billion deal which includes 11 new A330 wide-body jets."

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-15 23:15:41 and read 15566 times.

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 70):

That article also says....

"In February Garuda ordered 230 new aircraft from Boeing in a $US22.4 billion deal which includes 11 new A330 wide-body jets."

Haha classic.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-15 23:28:01 and read 15576 times.

For AKL Spotters....Emirates 747-400 freighter is on the ground in AKL. Originally flew in from PER @ 0445 16th April and was scheduled to depart @ 1400 to KIX. It is now delayed until 18th April and scheduled to depart @ 0500 for KIX.
Currently sitting on layover across from gates 4 and 6 at International terminal. Ealier today they had the 777-300 and 747-400F sitting next to each other. The 747 is delayed due to an engineering issue.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-16 00:15:50 and read 15509 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 66):
The actions could not be more different. Isn't one of the two airlines therefore going in the wrong direction?

True, but with Borghetti in control you have a person who has demonstrated skills in running an airline with an apparent good sense of what sells. This is not to say that what sells for VA is the same as for NZ but I believe Borgetti is smart enough to be able to identify what the differences are. I am of the view that with the advent of the 787 in Australia NZ can kiss it's Australian feed to SFO/LAX good bye unless they offer a seamless level of service across both legs .

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2012-04-16 00:37:32 and read 15496 times.

If you visit the Garuda Facebook page, you will twice see the expression " for exiting and affordable destinations." Does exiting mean that they expect that you will want to leave quickly?


( Quote) "For exiting and affordable destinations, visit http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/"
Mission

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 00:51:09 and read 15479 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 73):
I am of the view that with the advent of the 787 in Australia NZ can kiss it's Australian feed to SFO/LAX good bye unless they offer a seamless level of service across both legs .

I'm not sure I understand why that would be.

mariner

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-16 02:57:58 and read 15400 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 73):
I am of the view that with the advent of the 787 in Australia NZ can kiss it's Australian feed to SFO/LAX good bye unless they offer a seamless level of service across both legs .
Quoting mariner (Reply 75):
I'm not sure I understand why that would be.

I agree with Sunrise Valley.

I am probably fairly typical of the high-yielding end of Air NZ's Australian market. People like us use BNE or MEL because for any destination other than LAX we'd be flying 1-stop via SYD anyway, and we have been drawn to Air NZ by its excellent product and certain advantages of its frequent flyer program (namely confirmable upgrades). A larger-volume but lower-yielding market also exists in Premium Economy and Economy.

The 787 was always going to mean that airlines would connect our home ports non-stop with LAX, SFO, YVR and HNL.

Air NZ was never going to be able to connect us all through AKL in the longer term. Its only hope of retaining our custom was to use its 77E/77L orders and options to open non-stop flights around 2010/2011 from our ports to LAX/SFO/YVR/HNL to ensure that it cornered the market before the Australian carriers received their similar capacity 788 and 789 aircraft. And it needed to ensure that its loyalty program continued to incentivise us to fly with them.

Instead they have opted to stand still, and now Delta, Virgin Australia and Hawaiian fly Australia-USA non-stop sectors which previously were the preserve of QF and UA.

And Airpoints makes a terrible job of incentivising Australian passengers to fly Air New Zealand across the Pacific. Economy passengers earn a trifling 60 Airpoints dollars return, and would therefore need to make 25 TransPacific return journeys in order to earn a free one. (In comparison, on Qantas 7 return Discount Economy trips earn a TransPacific return award ticket.) Meanwhile Silver and Gold frequent flyers no longer can use their Airpoints for upgrades, but rather have to bid money in an auction.

So all in all, under this management Air NZ has effectively surrendered any future role in the Australia-North America market.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 03:18:32 and read 15382 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 76):
The 787 was always going to mean that airlines would connect our home ports non-stop with LAX, SFO, YVR and HNL.

Why does the 787 make any difference? Aircraft can serve BNE to all those places now.

mariner

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-16 04:03:32 and read 15363 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 76):
The 787 was always going to mean that airlines would connect our home ports non-stop with LAX, SFO, YVR and HNL.
Quoting mariner (Reply 77):
Why does the 787 make any difference? Aircraft can serve BNE to all those places now.

Qantas has limited-range 763 and A330 aircraft in the 200-300 passenger range, but the only aircraft capable of reaching California or Canada are 747 and A380 aircraft which have far too many seats for these markets.

The markets I listed could probably all support a 788, which has the 180 Economy seats of a 738 augmented by around 20 Premium Economy seats and 20 Business beds.

In other words, a 220 seat aircraft. Rather like the 767 and 757 aircraft which fly across the Atlantic to secondary airports in the UK.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 04:34:18 and read 15316 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 78):
Qantas has limited-range 763 and A330 aircraft in the 200-300 passenger range, but the only aircraft capable of reaching California or Canada are 747 and A380 aircraft which have far too many seats for these markets.

Ah. Did Jetstar not take the A330HGW after all?

mariner

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-16 04:53:52 and read 15316 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 79):

Ah. Did Jetstar not take the A330HGW after all?

I didn't think the A330 of any variety including the -200HGW could do Australia-USA nonstop.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-16 11:20:13 and read 15214 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 80):
I didn't think the A330 of any variety including the -200HGW could do Australia-USA nonstop.

I think you are right. Westbound USA-Australia has to be considered typically at a minimum of 7000nm ESAD.
For that the load/range tables suggest a payload of ~22t which is probably a bit less than max. passenger load for a QF A330-200

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 11:52:28 and read 15214 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 80):
I didn't think the A330 of any variety including the -200HGW could do Australia-USA nonstop.

I'm not a Tech Wallah, but Airbus seems to think it can. The A332 HGW is said to have a range of 7200 nm:

http://www.airbus.com/aircraftfamili...t/a330family/a330-200/performance/

GCM gives BNE-LAX at 6300 nm.

mariner

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-16 12:58:31 and read 15174 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 82):
The A332 HGW is said to have a range of 7200 nm

Guess that's in perfect conditions IE no head or cross winds etc. You'd think though that if LAX-AKL was at the edge of the plane's envelope, LAX-BNE would be beyond it.

motorhussy

Edited to say GCM gives AKL-LAX as 5652 nm

[Edited 2012-04-16 13:05:54]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 13:05:00 and read 15169 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 83):
Guess that's in perfect conditions IE no head or cross winds etc. You'd think though that if LAX-AKL was at the edge of the plane's envelope, LAX-BNE would be beyond it.

No idea, not technical, but I suppose you could say that of any range specification. I've seen questions raised about the claimed range of the 787.

Was AKL-LAX pushing it or was that an a.net CW?

mariner

[Edited 2012-04-16 13:12:28]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-16 14:22:51 and read 15134 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 84):
Was AKL-LAX pushing it or was that an a.net CW?

LAX-AKL is about 6200nm ESAD. For a 233t MTOW version the load/range chart shows about 30t payload which is quite respectable.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-04-16 15:08:54 and read 15115 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 75):
I'm not sure I understand why that would be.

I'm the same.

Aside from SYD-SFO, which routes is the 787 likely to open up? Actually, isn't UA still operating SYD-SFO?

Qantas and Virgin currently serve BNE/SYD/MEL-LAX. Are we expecting a 787 service from CBR, HBA, OOL, CNS, ADL, PER to the west coast of the US?

YVR maybe? But again, is there any hard data on how many of NZ's YVR pax are transferring from Australia? Or is this all supposition?

So which "feed" is going to be lost?

[Edited 2012-04-16 15:14:59]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-16 15:33:50 and read 15110 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 86):
Aside from SYD-SFO, which routes is the 787 likely to open up?

Not specifically for Air NZ, but I would say:

MEL-HNL
MEL-YVR
MEL-DFW/IAH
BNE-SFO
BNE-HNL
BNE-YVR
BNE-DFW/IAH
SYD-SFO
SYD-YVR

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-04-16 15:39:30 and read 15099 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 86):
Are we expecting a 787 service from CBR, HBA, OOL, CNS, ADL, PER to the west coast of the US?

I think a lot of people are hoping for that. LOL.

I still have an eyebrow raised about those supposed many and various p2p's. If - IF - it happens I think it may lead to fragmentation of the market(s).

mariner

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-04-16 17:28:25 and read 15014 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 87):
MEL-HNL
MEL-YVR
MEL-DFW/IAH
BNE-SFO
BNE-HNL
BNE-YVR
BNE-DFW/IAH
SYD-SFO
SYD-YVR

BNE/MEL-YVR, ok maybe, but I'd say SYD-YVR is more likely first.
BNE/MEL-DFW,IAH, NZ doesn't compete on this anyway - what feed is being lost?
BNE-SFO, maybe but do that many pax actually go on a 4 hour dogleg via AKL than via LAX?
BNE-HNL, given NZ's paltry frequency on this route, isn't it about as competitive as say FJ via NAN?
SYD-SFO, probably the most liekly addition, but doesn't UA already serve this route?
SYD-YVR, also a likely QF route, but AC already serves it so the impact would likely be muted, and who actually flies via AKL for this?

Essentially, the core question is, what evidence is there that NZ has a huge amount fo transfer pax from Australia's east coast to the US/Canadian west?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: macilree
Posted 2012-04-16 18:15:17 and read 14994 times.

The New Zealand Minister of Transport has just announced a tripling of the capacity available under the China-New Zealand air services arrangements. Additional fifth freedom opportunities are also created.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-04-16 18:51:17 and read 14962 times.

Quoting macilree (Reply 90):
The New Zealand Minister of Transport has just announced a tripling of the capacity available under the China-New Zealand air services arrangements. Additional fifth freedom opportunities are also created.

This seems more like bad news than good news to NZ? Now look forward to CZ flying to CHC. If MU started flying to AKL from PVG with very low fares NZ would be in serious trouble I would think. Also if they could convince their partner CA not to fly PEK-AKL. NZ is quickly losing grounds to SkyTeam in and out of New Zealand.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-16 19:10:41 and read 14942 times.

I think Aerokiwi has misunderstood that I am saying that Air NZ should have linked that city pair list directly, with no AKL connection.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 89):
BNE-SFO, maybe but do that many pax actually go on a 4 hour dogleg via AKL than via LAX?

It's considerably easier than a terminal change at LAX, and it avoids Customs and Immigration at LAX in favour of SFO.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 89):
BNE/MEL-DFW,IAH, NZ doesn't compete on this anyway - what feed is being lost?

Currently Air NZ carries significant numbers of BNE and MEL passengers via AKL to LAX or SFO, where they connect to east of the Rockies.

If they want to retain (or grow) that market after the 787s start arriving they will need to consider connecting the ports of origin with either LAX/SFO or IAH.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 89):
BNE-HNL, given NZ's paltry frequency on this route, isn't it about as competitive as say FJ via NAN?

I don't understand this comment.

Are you saying that residents of southeast Queensland would choose to buy an Air Pacific BNE-NAN-HNL ticket in preference to a non-stop Air New Zealand BNE-HNL one?

Australian traffic terminating in Honolulu has increased by 800% in eight years, and Air NZ is getting very little of it because outward flights do not connect at AKL without an overnight stay. Meanwhile Air Australia's few weeks of BNE-HNL flights on A330 aircraft averaged loads over 98% even though they were already insolvent and the vast majority of tickets sold were not at discounted fares. Why would Air NZ prefer to fly AKL-DPS when they could use their 763 fleet to operate much higher-yielding sectors of the same length from BNE and MEL to Honolulu in between operating Tasman services?

You can say "because it is Air NEW ZEALAND" but that is a terribly weak argument - by that token Alaska Airlines would not have a Seattle hub.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 89):
SYD-SFO, probably the most liekly addition, but doesn't UA already serve this route?
SYD-YVR, also a likely QF route, but AC already serves it so the impact would likely be muted, and who actually flies via AKL for this?

Again, the answer is "anyone living in Australia but outside Sydney". I have made the mistake of connecting at Sydney to get to North America, and it really is "never again" territory. For people based in Brisbane and Melbourne - who significantly outnumber Sydney residents, and of course live in more economically successful states - why would we take a domestic flight backwards to Sydney, change terminals and then fly on a different airline to SFO or YVR? Especially when the return journey involves double baggage reclaim and check-in? I've flown Qantas a few times to North America in recent months, and can tell you that connections at AKL are infinitely preferable to ones at SYD.

[Edited 2012-04-16 19:33:32]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-16 19:40:05 and read 14916 times.

Quoting macilree (Reply 90):
The New Zealand Minister of Transport has just announced a tripling of the capacity available under the China-New Zealand air services arrangements. Additional fifth freedom opportunities are also created.
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 91):
This seems more like bad news than good news to NZ? Now look forward to CZ flying to CHC. If MU started flying to AKL from PVG with very low fares NZ would be in serious trouble I would think. Also if they could convince their partner CA not to fly PEK-AKL. NZ is quickly losing grounds to SkyTeam in and out of New Zealand.

I think that it would be a great outcome if price-competitive Chinese airlines operated all services to and from China rather than Air New Zealand.

Australians have the good fortune of having Chinese airlines offering fares to London/Europe from $1300 economy return, $2100 Premium Economy return and $4100 Business Class return.

New Zealanders would do very well to get the same opportunities. And Air New Zealand would need to adapt their frequent flyer program to encourage passengers to buy tickets with them, instead of shopping with their partners.

And OneUp upgrades would be binned as quick as a flash once travel agents explained to passengers that for $1200 extra return over the cost of an Economy Air NZ ticket they could fly to London and back on a Chinese carrier in guaranteed Business Class.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-04-16 19:59:10 and read 14900 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 93):
And OneUp upgrades would be binned as quick as a flash once travel agents explained to passengers that for $1200 extra return over the cost of an Economy Air NZ ticket they could fly to London and back on a Chinese carrier in guaranteed Business Class.

And earn miles at Business Class level which would bring them closer to their next holiday absolutely for free instead of earning a tiny little bit and pay for the rest with NZ. With so many SkyTeam choices ex AKL soon, NZ should be very concerned.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-16 21:57:44 and read 14821 times.

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 70):
"In February Garuda ordered 230 new aircraft from Boeing in a $US22.4 billion deal which includes 11 new A330 wide-body jets."

  
Quoting koruman (Reply 76):
Air NZ was never going to be able to connect us all through AKL in the longer term. Its only hope of retaining our custom was to use its 77E/77L orders and options to open non-stop flights around 2010/2011 from our ports to LAX/SFO/YVR/HNL to ensure that it cornered the market before the Australian carriers received their similar capacity 788 and 789 aircraft. And it needed to ensure that its loyalty program continued to incentivise us to fly with them.

Hasn't QF given their initial 787 orders to JQ? If so this (along with all the 787 delays) should give NZ more time to get its act together. Additionally early 787 deliveries are overweight so might not have range/payload performance to make those routes viable.
Quoting koruman (Reply 78):
Qantas has limited-range 763 and A330 aircraft in the 200-300 passenger range, but the only aircraft capable of reaching California or Canada are 747 and A380 aircraft which have far too many seats for these markets.

  

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-16 22:06:08 and read 14813 times.

The number of passenger flights between China and New Zealand set to rise after a new agreement was signed. A total of 42 return flights a week, split evenly between airlines from each country, can now be operated between the two nations.
The new air services arrangements also allows more stopovers en route.
Agreement was signed in CHC where a Chinese Delegation is currently visiting.
Will be interesting to see if China Eastern makes a move or China Southern looks at CHC as a new city. Depending on Australia rights, they could possibly do a CAN-OOL-CHC service to build up both OOL and CHC.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-04-16 22:43:03 and read 14791 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
I think Aerokiwi has misunderstood that I am saying that Air NZ should have linked that city pair list directly, with no AKL connection.

Well, given the original quote that sparked this was as follows...

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 73):
I am of the view that with the advent of the 787 in Australia NZ can kiss it's Australian feed to SFO/LAX good bye unless they offer a seamless level of service across both legs .

... it essentially relates to the 787 effectively cutting the legs out of NZ's feed from Australia into its North American operations. Apologies if I misattributed this to your argument.

But then your suggestion of NZ entering these markets counters the arrangement NZ now has with Virgin Australia, who are already flying trans-Pacific on multiple routes, and will likely add further routes in future. given NZ can probably just arrange a codeshare, wouldn't that be the better option? It doesn't have to be on their own metal with lal the associated risks and opportunity costs.

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
It's considerably easier than a terminal change at LAX, and it avoids Customs and Immigration at LAX in favour of SFO.

Yeah we keep hearing that, but evidently the market isn't sufficient to sustain a SYD-SFO for QF. And UA, a partner of NZ, is already flying this route. Like the Virgin situation, why would NZ want to compete?

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
Currently Air NZ carries significant numbers of BNE and MEL passengers via AKL to LAX or SFO, where they connect to east of the Rockies.

Can you quantify this? With passenger numbers and yields? Presumably NZ's "inconsistent" trans-Tasman product would have diluted whatever number you can find over the past few years. Has this happened?

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
Are you saying that residents of southeast Queensland would choose to buy an Air Pacific BNE-NAN-HNL ticket in preference to a non-stop Air New Zealand BNE-HNL one?

Talk about fighting over scraps for the ultimate in low-yielding traffic. If you're not a fan of AKL-DPS then I'm not sure how this one can be defended (or, more appropriately, advocated). I'm saying that, as of now, I bet BNE-pax would chose the lowest cost option to get to HNL, and the competition is FJ through NAN, NZ through AKL and QF-JQ/HA through SYD. Why would anyone waste a 787 on a route like that?

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
Australian traffic terminating in Honolulu has increased by 800% in eight years, and Air NZ is getting very little of it because outward flights do not connect at AKL without an overnight stay.

Sigh - yeah thats happens when you have new operators entering the market, especially when one of those is a LCC (Jetstar). Hawaiian is up to daily now no? That's an awful lot of competition for a comparatively low yielding route (no, I don't have numbers, but it doesn't take a genius to figure that holiday tourists on package deals aren't going to be raking in the profits, unless your business is geared for that - see JQ).

I just don't understand your logic. You strenuously argue against China flights on the basis that they're low yielding. But then you turn around and argue for the latest and greatest equipment to be thrown onto unproven routes that are, inevitably low yielding, a la HNL.

[Edited 2012-04-16 22:46:21]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: agent99nzboi
Posted 2012-04-16 23:17:23 and read 14761 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 49):

When the A320D arrived it was only crewed by AKL based Tasman Pacific Crew, they were gradually training Air New Zealand 733 crew. Im not sure if this is still taking place or if enough crew are trained but as far as I am aware Tasman Pacific Crew can and do operate on the A320D.

Doesn't mean they like it though, short TODs.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 96):

I can see Bob Parkers getting as many photos as he can with the delegation.

Would be nice to see China Southern in CHC.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-17 00:42:29 and read 14680 times.

Quoting macilree (Reply 90):
Additional fifth freedom opportunities are also created.

Would that include HKG-China flights? If it does, it would be great opportunities for NZ.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 91):
This seems more like bad news than good news to NZ? Now look forward to CZ flying to CHC. If MU started flying to AKL from PVG with very low fares NZ would be in serious trouble I would think. Also if they could convince their partner CA not to fly PEK-AKL. NZ is quickly losing grounds to SkyTeam in and out of New Zealand.

Not necessarily. NZ can target the higher end passengers, and the Chinese airlines can target those who want cheap fares. There is no lack of Chinese passengers who would pay more to go on a foreign airline, we all know the service standards of Chinese airlines! I hope to see 3U offering AKL-CTU and connections from CTU.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-17 01:09:28 and read 14678 times.

Hope to see CA bring a 77W to AKL from PEK that would fantastic, good news all round, over time NZ will have HKG up to double daily and PVG daily I can't see them going anywhere else in china even with the 787.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-04-17 01:31:44 and read 14648 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 99):
Would that include HKG-China flights? If it does, it would be great opportunities for NZ.

Not a chance. Not even CA have the rights to operate for example PVG-HKG.

Quoting cchan (Reply 99):
Not necessarily. NZ can target the higher end passengers, and the Chinese airlines can target those who want cheap fares. There is no lack of Chinese passengers who would pay more to go on a foreign airline, we all know the service standards of Chinese airlines! I hope to see 3U offering AKL-CTU and connections from CTU.

If only the higher end market was big enough to sustain an entire 772 which I doubt.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-17 01:58:48 and read 14662 times.

The fifth freedom rights could give NZ opportunity to operate AKL-PVG-LHR or AKL-PEK-LHR daily instead of AKL-HKG-LHR. The could return HKG to just an AKL-HKG service. NZ was struggling with AKL-PEK alone but with AKL-PEK-LHR they may stand a better chance of making route profitable. It could also open up additional opportunities in Europe, AKL-PVG-FRA to connect the two Star Alliance cities.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nzrich
Posted 2012-04-17 02:07:15 and read 14661 times.

Quoting agent99nzboi (Reply 98):
When the A320D arrived it was only crewed by AKL based Tasman Pacific Crew, they were gradually training Air New Zealand 733 crew. Im not sure if this is still taking place or if enough crew are trained but as far as I am aware Tasman Pacific Crew can and do operate on the A320D.

The A320D has never been operated by tasman pacific crew . It has always been operated by Domestic Jet Crew . Tasman Pacific crew signed some of the domestic crew off on the International Aircraft and then the crew had to do a conversion to the domestic aircraft.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: macilree
Posted 2012-04-17 03:17:45 and read 14587 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 96):
Agreement was signed in CHC where a Chinese Delegation is currently visiting.

Actually the Understanding was signed by my Chinese counterpart and I in Wellington last Wednesday.  
Quoting cchan (Reply 99):
Would that include HKG-China flights? If it does, it would be great opportunities for NZ.

No. My understanding is that no non-Chinese airline has such rights. Hong Kong SAR Basic Law Article 132 refers.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-17 05:03:49 and read 14490 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 93):

Fully agree! This new agreement is excellent news for the consumer but totally bad news for NZ as they have no way to fully challange the chinese airlines and their cheap fares while NZ is operating B772s in a high price config. Could NZ now loose the fight in a country that Mr Fyfe and co believed to be a gold mine for NZ in the future?

I've looked at the option of going via China enroute to Canada/USA but didn't like the idea of going via Australia as well as it raised the price to over NZs direct LAX/YVR fares. Really hope a star airline launches AKL, WLG or CHC flights, but then again if one did, I wouldn't be surprised if NZ acted like a little 5 year old and blocked airpoints earning like they did when another star carrier launched a Tasman flight to AKL

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-17 06:03:07 and read 14458 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 95):
Additionally early 787 deliveries are overweight so might not have range/payload performance to make those routes viable.

It all depends on a carriers slot in the production line. After LN90 the weights should be as per spec.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-17 06:08:10 and read 14463 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 105):
Fully agree! This new agreement is excellent news for the consumer but totally bad news for NZ as they have no way to fully challange the chinese airlines and their cheap fares while NZ is operating B772s in a high price config. Could NZ now loose the fight in a country that Mr Fyfe and co believed to be a gold mine for NZ in the future?

I believe, recently, NZ disclosed it was going to use it's 789's on the China routes.No doubt to be able to compete against anticipated low fares by Chinese carriers.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-17 14:33:15 and read 14322 times.

Quoting macilree (Reply 104):
No. My understanding is that no non-Chinese airline has such rights. Hong Kong SAR Basic Law Article 132 refers.

Thanks. HKG-China is a very profitable market.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 107):
I believe, recently, NZ disclosed it was going to use it's 789's on the China routes.No doubt to be able to compete against anticipated low fares by Chinese carriers.

Again, the problem with NZ is that they keep waiting and waiting and waiting for the 789 to be delivered.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 105):
Fully agree! This new agreement is excellent news for the consumer but totally bad news for NZ as they have no way to fully challange the chinese airlines and their cheap fares while NZ is operating B772s in a high price config.

I assume Fyfe's strategy would be: do nothing and see how it goes. I think it would be a good opportunity for NZ to look into the market in western China, initially with AKL-Aus-CTU or AKL-SE Asia-CTU flights.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 105):
Could NZ now loose the fight in a country that Mr Fyfe and co believed to be a gold mine for NZ in the future?

Not totally. There are a number of foreign airlines which fly into China, have direct competition with Chinese airlines and manage to survive. One major weakness of Chinese airlines is their lousy reputation for service and reliability.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-17 17:35:38 and read 14232 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 108):
Again, the problem with NZ is that they keep waiting and waiting and waiting for the 789 to be delivered.

What did Norm Thompson say recently, first or second quarter 2014 ? Production is now close to where new builds are coming off the line complete and the rate is matching plans. The Charleston SC plant has rolled out it's first aircraft so it is starting to contribute to the effort. I believe the first parts for the 789 will be delivered in Oct or Nov this year.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-17 18:36:13 and read 14163 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 109):
What did Norm Thompson say recently, first or second quarter 2014 ? Production is now close to where new builds are coming off the line complete and the rate is matching plans. The Charleston SC plant has rolled out it's first aircraft so it is starting to contribute to the effort. I believe the first parts for the 789 will be delivered in Oct or Nov this year.

Comparatively, the Chinese airlines have lots of immediately available 330s and 777s to establish themselves on various routes in the AKL-China market well before NZ gets the 789. Unless NZ acts fast, they will very likely to lose the new opportunities in the Chinese market.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-17 19:25:15 and read 14126 times.

It will be much harder for NZ to sustain many China routes. The Chinese airlines have far more of an advantage in taking on those opportunities.

[Edited 2012-04-17 19:26:32]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-17 20:24:06 and read 14091 times.

NZ can't do anything else now - no more long haul aircraft till 2014 and this is the big party the arrival of the 787-9! That everyone is waiting for.. How do they plan to increase PVG to daily within a year, I see PEK as gone but does that really free up an air frame to run daily? something else has to go?

If and when they do react it will be too late the airlines from china will steal all the eggs and attack the market. Think NZ's future plan is just code-share on everyone as we can't afford to expand.

The idea of flights from AKL-PVG/PEK to Europe / LHR won't happen unless the New CEO has a change of mind and goes back to one stop routes,

The PEK route to London (inc LGW) is all ready served by daily CA A332/773 and BA 744/772

VS/ BA and MU have the PVG-LHR

And there could be a breakthrough in Air China finally starting a PEK-MAN route this is happening right now with 'ROUTES' in ASIA. Going by twitter there is some pen to paper going on.!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-17 23:22:19 and read 13950 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 89):
BNE/MEL-YVR, ok maybe, but I'd say SYD-YVR is more likely first.

Why though? AC is already on that route, and is also a fellow Star Alliance member.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkeoj
Posted 2012-04-18 00:21:22 and read 13894 times.

Hi Guys

does NZ not have SPace+ in the forward cabin of the B767s anymore?

Cheers
micha

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ2
Posted 2012-04-18 00:56:20 and read 13866 times.

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 114):
does NZ not have SPace+ in the forward cabin of the B767s anymore?

Nope - about to jump on NZ 108 763 from SYD in 15 mins, seat 10A, best in the Y cabin!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkeoj
Posted 2012-04-18 01:16:33 and read 13841 times.

Quoting NZ2 (Reply 115):
Nope - about to jump on NZ 108 763 from SYD in 15 mins, seat 10A, best in the Y cabin!

I thought 19 is best - exit row with extra space, but no bulkhead (i.e. you can stretch your legs fully)?

Cheers
micha

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-04-18 03:43:59 and read 13749 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 92):
Are you saying that residents of southeast Queensland would choose to buy an Air Pacific BNE-NAN-HNL ticket in preference to a non-stop Air New Zealand BNE-HNL one?

Australian traffic terminating in Honolulu has increased by 800% in eight years, and Air NZ is getting very little of it because outward flights do not connect at AKL without an overnight stay. Meanwhile Air Australia's few weeks of BNE-HNL flights on A330 aircraft averaged loads over 98% even though they were already insolvent and the vast majority of tickets sold were not at discounted fares. Why would Air NZ prefer to fly AKL-DPS when they could use their 763 fleet to operate much higher-yielding sectors of the same length from BNE and MEL to Honolulu in between operating Tasman services?
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 97):
Talk about fighting over scraps for the ultimate in low-yielding traffic. If you're not a fan of AKL-DPS then I'm not sure how this one can be defended (or, more appropriately, advocated). I'm saying that, as of now, I bet BNE-pax would chose the lowest cost option to get to HNL, and the competition is FJ through NAN, NZ through AKL and QF-JQ/HA through SYD. Why would anyone waste a 787 on a route like that?
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 97):
Sigh - yeah thats happens when you have new operators entering the market, especially when one of those is a LCC (Jetstar). Hawaiian is up to daily now no? That's an awful lot of competition for a comparatively low yielding route (no, I don't have numbers, but it doesn't take a genius to figure that holiday tourists on package deals aren't going to be raking in the profits, unless your business is geared for that - see JQ).

I just don't understand your logic. You strenuously argue against China flights on the basis that they're low yielding. But then you turn around and argue for the latest and greatest equipment to be thrown onto unproven routes that are, inevitably low yielding, a la HNL.

Aerokiwi, I am utterly baffled by your characterisation of the Australia-Hawaii market as being as low yield as NZ-Bali.

First, a few facts, then I will make my argument.

Currently there are 16 weekly Sydney-Honolulu flights, with a total of 435 Business Class seats per week, and no airline reporting load factors below 90%.

These are the populations of Australia's major conurbations:

Sydney-Newcastle-Wollongong: 5.33 million (43%)
Melbourne - Geelong: 4.18 million (33%)
Brisbane - Gold Coast - Sunshine Coast - Toowoomba: 2.97 million (24%).

Now, you can have this one of two ways - there are two opposing polar arguments.

ARGUMENT 1: The 435 existing Sydney Business Class seats per week cater for all three conurbations.
Using this argument, of the 435 weekly Business Class seats, demand would be:
Sydney: 43% of 435 seats = 189 seats
Melbourne: 33% of 435 seats = 144 seats
Brisbane: 24% of 435 seats = 104 seats.

ARGUMENT 2: Non-stop services from the other two cities would attract demand at the same proportion as existing Sydney services:
Sydney: 435 seats per week
Melbourne: 144 seats
Brisbane: 104 seats.

Obviously the true explanation lies somewhere between the two extremes. But either way, there is a minimum of around 150 Business Class passengers per week who would buy MEL-HNL seats and 100 Business Class passengers per week who would buy BNE-HNL seats.

Hawaiian, Qantas and Jetstar probably fear that Argument 1 applies, and that direct services would cannibalise their existing services.

But quite why Air NZ chooses to stay out when it has nothing to cannibalise is simply baffling.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-18 05:28:25 and read 13673 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 107):

In the current high config like on the B772s or with a massive reduction in J and Y+? NZ would still loose (IMHO) with high config seating unless they have a special fleet designed for lower cost/package markets like DPS and China

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: PA515
Posted 2012-04-18 06:52:06 and read 13647 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 112):
NZ can't do anything else now - no more long haul aircraft till 2014 and this is the big party the arrival of the 787-9! That everyone is waiting for.. How do they plan to increase PVG to daily within a year, I see PEK as gone but does that really free up an air frame to run daily? something else has to go?

There are already enough aircraft for daily AKL-PVG flights, but even that can be tweaked now that PEK is going.

Two 77E's were required for daily New Zealand-China flights in the 2011/2012 Northern Winter Timetable, 4 AKL-PVG and 3 AKL-PEK. The 3rd AKL-PEK was cancelled because Air NZ couldn't get a suitable additional slot. Two aircraft are required because the schedule is overnight in each direction.

Changing AKL-PVG to a late morning departure and PVG-AKL to an afternoon arrival would require only one aircraft for daily flights, similar to AKL-NRT.
AKL-NRT 0915/1625
NRT-AKL 1830/0920
AKL-PVG 1145/1910
PVG-AKL 2115/1350

Possible Northern Winter 2012/2013 77E utilisation:
AKL-HKG-LHR (daily) ---- 3 aircraft
AKL-YVR-AKL (5pw) ----- 2 aircraft
AKL-NRT-AKL (daily) ---- 1 aircraft
AKL-PVG-AKL (daily) --- 1 aircraft
Spare ---------------------- 1 aircraft

The Air NZ website Timetable for AKL-SFO during this 2012/2013 period has Wed Fri Sun as a 77E which is strange as Wed Fri Sun are usually 744 days. If correct, then that accounts for the 8th 77E and a 744 is going somewhere other than SFO, maybe swapping with an NZ6/NZ5 77W which would be available for EZE/GRU? But it's probably nothing and AKL-SFO will be changed to a daily ex Tu 744.

Regarding the three 789's due in 2014 (FY 2014 and FY 2015) the two remaining 744's are to be replaced by these aircraft and the 4th and 5th 789's have been deferred by at least a year beyond the delay period. Suddenly Air NZ is in no hurry to get all it's 789's.

I have wondered what sort of economic forcasts the different board members have access to and if there is a more pessimistic view of the world economy and airlines in the medium term. Making better use of the present fleet and conserving cash might be the best choice for now. The seven 789's on order from about 2016 onwards can be used for expansion or replacing 77E's / 767's depending on what happens.

PA515

[Edited 2012-04-18 07:06:41]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-18 09:19:10 and read 13614 times.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 119):
The seven 789's on order from about 2016 onwards can be used for expansion or replacing 77E's / 767's depending on what happens.

The 789 was intended to replace some of the 77E in 2012-2013. NZ found it necessary to extend 77E leases because of the delay and this might be the reason why they have slowed the arrival of some of the 789's.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-18 17:09:43 and read 13457 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 106):
It all depends on a carriers slot in the production line. After LN90 the weights should be as per spec.

Do we know what LN QF/JQ 's aircraft will be or at what point LN90 will be delivered? QF/JQ are taking delivery of their first 787s sometime in 2013.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-18 17:16:10 and read 13456 times.

Quoting PA515 (Reply 119):
Possible Northern Winter 2012/2013 77E utilisation:
AKL-HKG-LHR (daily) ---- 3 aircraft

How longt do you see NZ staying on this sector?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-18 17:25:27 and read 13453 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 122):
How longt do you see NZ staying on this sector?

If I remember correctly, NZ has indicated that the HKG-LHR sector will remain for the time being. How long, I don't know, but for northern winter 2012/2013, this should still be running.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-04-18 17:34:35 and read 13444 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 117):
Aerokiwi, I am utterly baffled by your characterisation of the Australia-Hawaii market as being as low yield as NZ-Bali.

Faux bafflement?

1. Neither of us have access to the yield data - without it, this is a largely pointless argument.

2. Once again you equate population with high-yielding demand. Interetsing because you argue vehemently against that kind of logic for New Zealand-China services.

Not only that, but you have some pretty wild assumptions on the distribution of demand based on a few quick google population stats. I would question your assumption that Queenslanders have the same propensity to holiday in hot, sunny (and comparatively expensive - see Bali, SE Asia) destinations as Victorians.

3. You have a history of basing your assumptions of market opportunity on your own personal experiences and equating that with a market for high yield customers (see Tahiti, London).

4. Qantas caved on HNL and handed it to JQ - call me crazy but that would not imply a hugely profitable market. They also pulled MEL-HNL direct. HA serves only SYD. Air Australia collapsed altogether. Doesn't bode well.

And that's pretty much all I have to say on the matter.

Regarding the use of the sharkleted A320s, has anyone definitively confirmed their use? I thought the plan was for them to go on international and replace existing international 320s that owuld then move to domestic.Be that so?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-18 18:26:57 and read 13416 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 124):
4. Qantas caved on HNL and handed it to JQ - call me crazy but that would not imply a hugely profitable market. They also pulled MEL-HNL direct. HA serves only SYD. Air Australia collapsed altogether. Doesn't bode well.

HNL has been a difficult market from Australia for a long time, but the higher $AUD has made it much more attractive as a destination. Does that mean that yields are great? Not at all, and I agree with what you are saying. The market is there, but the size and yield potential is questionable in the longer term.

btw, QF still operate SYD-HNL along with JQ.

Quoting cchan (Reply 123):
If I remember correctly, NZ has indicated that the HKG-LHR sector will remain for the time being. How long, I don't know, but for northern winter 2012/2013, this should still be running.

Thanks for that.

I could see it being cut if push came to shove, and maybe looking at exploring a codeshare with VS on HKG-LHR.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-18 19:21:11 and read 13357 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 121):
Do we know what LN QF/JQ 's aircraft will be or at what point LN90 will be delivered? QF/JQ are taking delivery of their first 787s sometime in 2013.

Start on LN 66 is close and it will be the first to go directly from assembly to flight testing. At a rate of 4 per month the build of LN90 should happen around the end of the year.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-04-18 20:13:29 and read 13386 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 113):
Why though? AC is already on that route, and is also a fellow Star Alliance member.

True - I always forget about the AC presence.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 125):
btw, QF still operate SYD-HNL along with JQ.

Also true. Sorry did a few random searches but only came up with JQ flights. But it used to be twice daily on 767s right? Even a shift to one of those being JQ-operated suggetss less than stellar yields.

But again, I think we have to consider the personal circumstances angle here (OOL-REC anyone?)  

Actually, come to think of it, cities outside of Sydney have pretty comprehensive services these days. Sure not with QF, but asian and middle eastern airlines have really stepped up. That ship, frankly, has sailed.

Now let's hope EK start AKL-LAX. That would shake things up.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-18 20:31:00 and read 13365 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 127):
Now let's hope EK start AKL-LAX. That would shake things up.

Nice dream  
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 127):
Actually, come to think of it, cities outside of Sydney have pretty comprehensive services these days. Sure not with QF, but asian and middle eastern airlines have really stepped up. That ship, frankly, has sailed.

Very true. The last few years have shown just how well other cities can perform with their own services on some routes.

Sydney is just one part of the puzzle now, where it used to be the only thing on offer.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-18 22:34:43 and read 13304 times.

not long after CHC loose Air Asia X

CHC in talks to secure direct flights from China

Positive discussions with China Southern Airlines could see direct flights from China into Christchurch Airport, trebling passenger flights and boosting visitor numbers.

Chief executive Jim Boult says the discussions are great news for our travel and tourism industries and hopes they will result in direct flights into Christchurch.

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com/article/83313

Think this one has a better chance of making it,




Coming to an Airport on the south Island soon??!!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-18 22:59:01 and read 13278 times.

^^ Would be interesting to see an A320 on the route :lol:

They have only recently started AKL. Likely not a bad idea though, but the city needs to rebuild itself to truly be a tourism hotspot again. Not quite sure the timing is right just yet, but with CZ, who knows. They have bold plans, however CZ are starting to become more conservative of late, in increasing and decreasing frequencies more often to meet demand. They were on a major growth spurt at one point, so we will need to wait and see.

[Edited 2012-04-18 23:00:57]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-18 23:50:31 and read 13223 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 129):
Coming to an Airport on the south Island soon??!!

If CZ does go to CHC, it is probably via SYD.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-18 23:55:21 and read 13235 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 131):
If CZ does go to CHC, it is probably via SYD.

Likely true, or MEL.

They have been playing around with frequencies from MEL and SYD of late, and this could be a way of geerating more demand on those sectors to keep more consistency of service.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-04-18 23:55:46 and read 13245 times.

Anyone seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=yJ_kMrDmlQY

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-04-18 23:59:44 and read 13235 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 132):
Likely true, or MEL.

They have been playing around with frequencies from MEL and SYD of late, and this could be a way of geerating more
demand on those sectors to keep more consistency of service.

AKL was going to be via MEL but somehow Auckland Airport convinced them to go direct.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-19 00:05:21 and read 13233 times.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 134):
AKL was going to be via MEL but somehow Auckland Airport convinced them to go direct

True.

I don't think CZ were very clear on their AKL intensions and thats where all thoat confusion came from. In the end I think they just bit the ullet and went for it. It may have also had something to do with wanting to increase MEL frequency at the time also.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-19 00:57:23 and read 13182 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 135):
Quoting xiaotung (Reply 134):
AKL was going to be via MEL but somehow Auckland Airport convinced them to go direct

True.

I don't think CZ were very clear on their AKL intensions and thats where all thoat confusion came from. In the end I think they just bit the ullet and went for it. It may have also had something to do with wanting to increase MEL frequency at the time also.

CZ was talking about operating into OOL for awhile. Could possible operate CAN-OOL-CHC and see how passengers numbers grow.
Their AKL service went from CAN-MEL-AKL to CAN-AKL before it started and then went daily within a year.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-19 01:04:13 and read 13178 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 133):
Anyone seen this?

Yes, many times since 2010, I think. What happened to the scene in the end which the elderly lady runs naked? The newer versions seem to have that deleted.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-19 03:45:42 and read 13077 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 133):
Anyone seen this?

Not quite. As cchan pointed out it seems to be an update of a previous version. Interestingly the video showed the interior of a 737, A320 and 777.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-19 20:03:00 and read 12906 times.

The current safety video is a mishmash of all the youtube campaigns together. I had it on both my WLG last week and HKG flights yesterday, As I'm back in the Philippines now, I'm gonna add that PR would make a good addition to AKL. I certainly think a 3x a week 333 MNL-AKL would be well patronised. provided you stay within Manila T2 It's perfect for transfers too.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkeoj
Posted 2012-04-20 15:37:04 and read 12626 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 137):
What happened to the scene in the end which the elderly lady runs naked? The newer versions seem to have that deleted.

The naked lady is still on domestrics flights, but was removed from international due to "cultural sensitivity"...

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 139):
The current safety video is a mishmash of all the youtube campaigns together.

Yeah, it is a bit weird, but somehow works (at least for frequent flyers who know all the full versions)...

Cheers
micha

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: alangirvan
Posted 2012-04-20 16:41:47 and read 12578 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 139):
As I'm back in the Philippines now, I'm gonna add that PR would make a good addition to AKL. I certainly think a 3x a week 333 MNL-AKL would be well patronised. provided you stay within Manila T2 It's perfect for transfers too.

I wonder if it might operate Auckland-Cebu-Manila once or twice a week. Cebu is the Philippines version of Bali.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-04-20 18:06:52 and read 12528 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 141):
I wonder if it might operate Auckland-Cebu-Manila once or twice a week. Cebu is the Philippines version of Bali.

Cebu doesn't even compare to Bali yet in many ways, especially its attractiveness to foreign travvelers. It has a long way to go.

Trying such a route may well be quite low yielding, which may be a concern.

Whats the population stats for Filipinos in NZ?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-20 19:10:10 and read 12475 times.

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 141):
I wonder if it might operate Auckland-Cebu-Manila once or twice a week. Cebu is the Philippines version of Bali.

If anything happens, I would expect them to operate as an extension to their Australian flights initially. I think there is more chance we see VN than PR in AKL.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-20 21:57:53 and read 12411 times.

Cathay Pacific Flt108 returning to AKL. Departed AKL @ 1400. ETA back into AKL @ 1710.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-20 22:12:26 and read 12368 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 144):
Cathay Pacific Flt108 returning to AKL. Departed AKL @ 1400. ETA back into AKL @ 1710.

Any idea of the cause?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-20 22:50:55 and read 12372 times.

Quoting cchan (Reply 145):
Cathay Pacific Flt108 returning to AKL. Departed AKL @ 1400. ETA back into AKL @ 1710.

Any idea of the cause?

Looks like an engineering issue. Problem seems to be centred around the centre landing gear and doors. Strange for problem to occur approx 90 minutes into flight. Depending on Cathay regulations for crew hours, aircraft may end up overnighting in AKL as crew would already be 5 hours into the duty time now.

[Edited 2012-04-20 23:00:22]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-20 23:52:41 and read 12322 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 146):
Looks like an engineering issue. Problem seems to be centred around the centre landing gear and doors. Strange for problem to occur approx 90 minutes into flight. Depending on Cathay regulations for crew hours, aircraft may end up overnighting in AKL as crew would already be 5 hours into the duty time now.

Thanks for the info. It probably will be better to overnight at AKL and get the problem sorted, the flight will arrive in HKG in the early morning hours if it is 5 hours late anyway.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: byronicle6
Posted 2012-04-21 07:42:16 and read 12136 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 142):

Going by the 2006 census data, 16,938 people identified themselves as Filipino so not very many really. I really can't see a route to the Phillipines from New Zealand happening any time soon, and certainly not to Manila via Cebu. Tourism is growing, but is not attracting the hordes like Indonesia , Thailand or even Vietnam and Malaysia.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-21 20:55:19 and read 11960 times.

Now that SQ is joining the 'in flight internet Club' along with the likes of EK/QF/CX/TG and UA can we see NZ following the same approach on the 787's or are the current 77W able to do this already?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-04-22 02:23:53 and read 11770 times.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 136):
Their AKL service went from CAN-MEL-AKL to CAN-AKL before it started and then went daily within a year.

Operating via Australia PAX would have to have visas, unless this has changed in the last 12 months?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-22 02:33:19 and read 11773 times.

yes the 77W is already capable of mobile use in flight like the domestic320s, wireless internet

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 148):
Tourism is growing, but is not attracting the hordes like Indonesia , Thailand or even Vietnam and Malaysia.

Visa free and friendly unlike Vietnam (in my experience at least) and where I'm sitting on the beautiful white sand beach at boracay there's plenty of tourists....

Give me Boracay over Bali or Pattaya any day...

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-04-22 03:36:08 and read 11840 times.

Quoting zkeoj (Reply 140):
Yeah, it is a bit weird, but somehow works (at least for frequent flyers who know all the full versions)...

Non-NZers on my AKL-SFO flight last week were scratching their heads. If you're not very familiar with NZ culture, it's just a disjointed mash-up.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-22 05:54:28 and read 11715 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 152):
Non-NZers on my AKL-SFO flight last week were scratching their heads. If you're not very familiar with NZ culture, it's just a disjointed mash-up.

Even some Kiwis are left wondering.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-22 06:19:37 and read 11721 times.

Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 152):
If you're not very familiar with NZ culture, it's just a disjointed mash-up.

Its still far better than the awful 'fit to fly' video. Several times when that safety video has been played I've seen Air New Zealand crew hide their faces in embarrassment.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-22 11:44:44 and read 11663 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 154):
I've seen Air New Zealand crew hide their faces in embarrassment.

And some Air New Zealand passengers.  

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-25 01:28:51 and read 11157 times.

and no one saw this??!! WELL DONE AKL!!

''Auckland tops Sydney, Melbourne as Asia-Pacific's best airport''

Auckland has beaten Sydney and Melbourne as the best airport in the Asia-Pacific in the 2012 Skytrax World Airport Awards.

It’s the fourth year in a row that New Zealand’s biggest airport has bested its Australian cousins.

Brisbane Airport was gonged as Asia-Pacific’s ‘Best Regional Airport’ – which many Brissie-based travellers will take as a backhanded compliment – with the Parkroyal Melbourne Airport chosen as the region’s best airport hotel.

Best Airport in Australia / Pacific

Auckland International Airport
Sydney Airport
Brisbane Airport
Melbourne Airport
Gold Coast Airport


The Skytrax World Airport Awards are based on an independent survey of 12 million passengers from 108 countries.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/auckland-top...rne-as-asia-pacific-s-best-airport

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-25 03:03:58 and read 11080 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 156):
The Skytrax World Airport Awards are based on an independent survey of 12 million passengers from 108 countries.

Very independent as they run marketing campaigns to get people to vote. But nonetheless, it remains a nicer airport than SYD/MEL/BNE. All they need is free public wifi and then more passengers will be happy.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-25 03:50:28 and read 11024 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 157):
But nonetheless, it remains a nicer airport than SYD/MEL/BNE.

Call me parochial, but prefer WLG.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Mike909
Posted 2012-04-25 09:27:48 and read 10950 times.

My experiences at AKL compare to no other airport.
Pure class!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: cchan
Posted 2012-04-25 14:20:44 and read 10857 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 156):
Asia-Pacific's best airport

Should this read Australia-Pacific? I can think of a number of Asian airports which are heaps better than AKL.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nzrich
Posted 2012-04-25 14:22:54 and read 10859 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 158):
Call me parochial, but prefer WLG.

But when CHC is totally completed that will give all of them a run for their money . So far its stunning !!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-25 17:47:21 and read 10762 times.

Does NZ have a standard cabin crew complement for long haul . If they do what is the standard number for each of the 77E and 77W ?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-25 18:45:54 and read 10728 times.

Just a quick thought:
This morning as I was listening to Radio New Zealand, they said that there were approximately 6,000 New Zealanders at Gallipoli Cove for the ANZAC day memorial this year. While many of these people were no-doubt New Zealand expats living in Europe, plenty will have come all the way from home. Keeping in mind that the 100th anniversary will be in 2015 (and more people are therefore likely to attend the memorial then), in the future, would it be worthwhile Air New Zealand operating some charter flights for those who are visiting?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gasman
Posted 2012-04-26 01:14:54 and read 10549 times.

Can someone who's older than I am (tricky) shed any light on this.

NZ took delivery of their first DC-10-30 (ZK-NZL) in January 1973. The second - ZK-NZN - didn't arrive until Jan 1974. So they operated the type for the whole of 1973 with just one unit? Seems bizarre.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-04-26 01:20:13 and read 10552 times.

Quoting gasman (Reply 164):
NZ took delivery of their first DC-10-30 (ZK-NZL) in January 1973. The second - ZK-NZN - didn't arrive until Jan 1974. So they operated the type for the whole of 1973 with just one unit? Seems bizarre.

That's odd, I would have sworn 1973 x 2 , 1974 x 2 , 1975 x 2 , 1976 x 1 and 1977 x 1 for a total of 8

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gasman
Posted 2012-04-26 01:24:29 and read 10547 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 165):
That's odd, I would have sworn 1973 x 2 , 1974 x 2 , 1975 x 2 , 1976 x 1 and 1977 x 1 for a total of 8

You could be right, I was just looking at the history of NZN on this site (and others) which said first flight at Long Beach late 1973 and first flight for Air NZ in Jan 1974.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-04-26 01:24:53 and read 10571 times.

Quoting gasman (Reply 164):
NZ took delivery of their first DC-10-30 (ZK-NZL) in January 1973. The second - ZK-NZN - didn't arrive until Jan 1974. So they operated the type for the whole of 1973 with just one unit? Seems bizarre.

NZN was the third, you have skipped NZM , although apparently that wasn't delivered until September '73 meaning they still went around 8 months with only one.

for the record ( don't want to link to the site in case I get in trouble with the mods)

NZL Jan '73
NZM Sep '73
NZN Jan 74
NZP Dec '74'
NZQ Feb '75
NZR Oct '75
NZS Jun '76
NZT Nov '77

[Edited 2012-04-26 01:29:45]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-26 01:37:41 and read 10539 times.

With 2 months to go until the new route to Bali kicks in anyone got any idea on how bookings look? it will be interesting to see how this this route plays out now that Garuda want to come here too with brand new spanking A332's

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-04-26 03:09:09 and read 10464 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 162):
Does NZ have a standard cabin crew complement for long haul . If they do what is the standard number for each of the 77E and 77W ?

compared to asian carriers like TG/SQ/KE no, but compared to everyone else I have no idea. Think it's 12 and 14 on NZ respectively at a rough guesstimate

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-04-26 04:00:22 and read 10419 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 168):
it will be interesting to see how this this route plays out now that Garuda want to come here too with brand new spanking A332's

GA has announced its intention to fly to AKL from CGK, NZ to DPS from AKL... and for the record it is with their brand spanking new A330-300's GA intend to launch (date unspecified) their new CGK-AKL service... but they have said it will coincide with the predicted global economic upturn.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-04-26 04:08:33 and read 10410 times.

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 170):
GA has announced its intention to fly to AKL from CGK, NZ to DPS from AKL... and for the record it is with their brand spanking new A330-300's GA intend to launch (date unspecified) their new CGK-AKL service... but they have said it will coincide with the predicted global economic upturn.

Hmm, I'd take anything GA says with a grain of salt! Personally I can't see daily CGK-AKL or daily DPS-AKL for that matter maybe 3 weekly from each or a CGK-DPS-AKL service 4-5 weekly. So i'll believe it when the aircraft touches the tarmac at AKL.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-04-26 05:08:21 and read 10366 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 168):

Not sure how 100% correct it is, but when I was looking at seating options for the works package on my DPS flights, both flights showed upto 6 free seats

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 170):

Wonder what time frame the contract Garuda has signed with AKL states flights need to start by?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-04-26 05:13:30 and read 10385 times.

Airbus has rolled out the first production A320 to have Sharklets.
http://bit.ly/JI1E19

Quote:
In total, seven new-build A320 Family aircraft fitted with both CFM56 and V2500 engine types will test the production-standard Sharklets. The results of the tests will lead up to the certification of these fuel-saving devices on each combination of aircraft model and engine selection. The first member of the family to enter service with Sharklets will be the CFM56-powered A320, from the fourth quarter of 2012.

The press release implies that the first A320 with Sharklets to be delivered won't be going to Air New Zealand, as Air New Zealand has selected IAE engines. I understood that Air New Zealand was going to be the launch customer.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/as...sharklets-for-air-new-zealand.html

[Edited 2012-04-26 05:18:29]

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-26 05:15:29 and read 10373 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 172):
Wonder what time frame the contract Garuda has signed with AKL states flights need to start by?

I believe it was a MoU, not a contract.. Therefore not enforcable.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2012-04-26 06:44:24 and read 10348 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 174):
I believe it was a MoU, not a contract.. Therefore not enforcable.

GA's reputation has been improving markedly of late... both from a business to consumer perspective as well as a b2b one so I can see them putting their rupiahs where their mouth is. The Indonesian economy is growing rapidly and is predicted (by reputable think tanks) to be the same size in 2050 as China's is now, placing it at number-4 behind India, China and the US.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 172):
Wonder what time frame the contract Garuda has signed with AKL states flights need to start by?

Yes I'm interested too... regardless of whether it's a firm contract, MoU or LoI.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 171):
Personally I can't see daily CGK-AKL or daily DPS-AKL

Where did you get the idea of daily from? No airline starts a speculative new route with a daily schedule unles it's proven by another airline/s and they're going head to head.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-04-26 09:08:57 and read 10336 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 168):
With 2 months to go until the new route to Bali kicks in anyone got any idea on how bookings look?

The AKL-DPS sector for 1st four weeks is approx 75% full with some flights at 90% full. End of July drops to 50% at this stage. The return sector is approx 50% for first two weeks and then picks up to approx 75%.
Bookings appear strong at this stage with another 7 weeks before first flights.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-04-26 19:42:04 and read 10270 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 175):
Where did you get the idea of daily from? No airline starts a speculative new route with a daily schedule unles it's proven by another airline/s and they're going head to head.

I'm quite sure there is an article around somewhere saying they are planning daily CGK-AKL service.

UA will launch IAH-AKL, it maybe initiall 5x weekly but moving to daily, I guess they have a large hub there and are sort of competing with NZ from LAX/SFO. BTW I see there are now atleast 2 787s built for UA, I'm picking they will look to start in the northern winter in late October?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-26 19:56:01 and read 10257 times.

Think UA are meant to take 7 frames of the 787 this year, so this more then cements a date into the timetable to start AKL but nothing yet from the airline.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-04-26 20:19:14 and read 10222 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 178):
Think UA are meant to take 7 frames of the 787 this year, so this more then cements a date into the timetable to start AKL but nothing yet from the airline.

They might wait until they get some lighter frames to improve the payload. The ESAD is going to be around 7000nm assuming the winds south west bound are similar to those from LAX. I expect they will have 330-min EDTO out of the gate by virtue that they are FAA regulated. I am not sure how the NZL regulator handles these sort of things given that the NZL standard is more stringent.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2012-04-26 22:35:48 and read 10149 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 177):
I'm quite sure there is an article around somewhere saying they are planning daily CGK-AKL service.

Yep, you're right... found it...

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...da-fly-auckland-taipei-haneda.html

And Garuda sales and marketing director Arif Wibowo said that Garuda will fly seven times a week to Auckland and use the Airbus A330-300 to fly the route. Which I think is incredibly ambitious if a little unrealistic at first.

Another of his comments in the article I find particularly interesting is, "The opening of the Jakarta–Auckland route will also help Garuda passengers to fly to European and Latin American countries” .

To Latin America from New Zealand or Indonesia? How does it propose to link to Latin America? Its only LatAm partner in SkyTeam is Aero Mexico or are they thinking about flights to South America via AKL?

Regards
MH

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-04-26 22:50:42 and read 10156 times.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 179):
I expect they will have 330-min EDTO out of the gate by virtue that they are FAA regulated. I am not sure how the NZL regulator handles these sort of things given that the NZL standard is more stringent.

The NZL regulator is going to have to insist on its higher standards or else what's the point? Also NZ is going to be pi**ed off if another airline can operate on its turf with lower standards, even if it is an alliance partner. Of course the USA could go the 800lb gorilla route, so who knows until it happens.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-26 23:18:53 and read 10135 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 180):
Its only LatAm partner in SkyTeam is Aero Mexico or are they thinking about flights to South America via AKL?

AR is joining Skyteam.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: A330NZ
Posted 2012-04-27 02:12:55 and read 10032 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 182):

AR is joining Skyteam

AR is ceasing flights to AKL

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-04-27 02:59:02 and read 9985 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 167):

NZS Jun '76
NZT Nov '77

Wow, brings back memories! Remember when LAN Chile leased these two DC-10s from Air New Zealand?

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 183):
AR is ceasing flights to AKL

Yep, AR's last flight from AKL is on June 30, 2012. NZ has a great opportunity here to fill the void left by AR...

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-27 03:49:26 and read 9917 times.

Quoting A330NZ (Reply 183):

Oh yeah, forgot about that 

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Unclekoru
Posted 2012-04-27 14:07:25 and read 9777 times.

Quoting nzrich (Reply 161):
Quoting motorhussy (Reply 158):Call me parochial, but prefer WLG.

But when CHC is totally completed that will give all of them a run for their money . So far its stunning !!

I agree. They're doing a great job at Christchurch. It will be a fantastic facility when it's completed.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 156):
''Auckland tops Sydney, Melbourne as Asia-Pacific's best airport''Auckland has beaten Sydney and Melbourne as the best airport in the Asia-Pacific in the 2012 Skytrax World Airport Awards.It’s the fourth year in a row that New Zealand’s biggest airport has bested its Australian cousins.Brisbane Airport was gonged as Asia-Pacific’s ‘Best Regional Airport’ – which many Brissie-based travellers will take as a backhanded compliment – with the Parkroyal Melbourne Airport chosen as the region’s best airport hotel.Best Airport in Australia / PacificAuckland International AirportSydney AirportBrisbane AirportMelbourne AirportGold Coast AirportThe Skytrax World Airport Awards are based on an independent survey of 12 million passengers from 108 countries.

The plane spotter in me quite enjoys transiting Auckland International. It's the most interesting New Zealand airport to pass through. That said, it always surprises me that it ranks so highly in surveys. I guess most travellers enjoy the quick trip through immigration/customs and the relative quietness of the facility compared to Sydney and Melbourne. The recent revamp of the departures floor has probably helped too. If only NZ would do something about the Koru lounge there, it really has seen better days.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: KiwiRob
Posted 2012-04-28 00:10:46 and read 9541 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 163):
Just a quick thought:
This morning as I was listening to Radio New Zealand, they said that there were approximately 6,000 New Zealanders at Gallipoli Cove for the ANZAC day memorial this year. While many of these people were no-doubt New Zealand expats living in Europe, plenty will have come all the way from home. Keeping in mind that the 100th anniversary will be in 2015 (and more people are therefore likely to attend the memorial then), in the future, would it be worthwhile Air New Zealand operating some charter flights for those who are visiting?

I've been to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day, the vast majority of Kiwi (and Aussie) visitors to the dawn ceremony are young people on there O.E. the rest are dignitaries, military and veterans. It's become one of the must do events for people on their O.E. along with Hogmany in Edinburgh, running of the bull's in Pamplona and Oktoberfest in Munich. I very much doubt you could fill a plane with the number of non official NZ based people who go.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: PA515
Posted 2012-04-28 12:08:16 and read 9334 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 178):
Think UA are meant to take 7 frames of the 787 this year, so this more then cements a date into the timetable to start AKL but nothing yet from the airline.

UA is unlikely to have seven 787-8's before the end of the year and will only get the first in 'late fall 2012'.

The first five aircraft are L/N 45, 50, 52, 53 and 55 which all require additional work. This work is not being done in strict L/N order, but if it was L/N 45 and 50 would be due in Oct 2012, L/N 52 in Dec 2012, L/N 53 Jan 2013, and L/N 55 Feb 2013. The L/N for the sixth UA 787-8 is not available, but it's after L/N 75 due for delivery to ET in Nov 2012.

Two aircraft would be sufficient to start IAH-AKL, but maybe not until December 2012 after crew familiarisation etc.

PA515

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-04-30 02:58:09 and read 8851 times.

Some good news for the Asia markets for NZ at last!

''Asia builds Air NZ passenger count''

The growing Asia market continues to support Air New Zealand’s passenger count with 12.2 percent more Asia and UK based travellers flying with the airline in March this year compared to the same month 2011.

According to the airline’s monthly statistics updates, up to 65,000 travellers from the Asia and UK regions flew with the airline over the third months of 2012 compared to 58,000 during March last year.

However - the US experiencing that largest decline of 6.1 percent.

http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com...asia-builds-air-nz-passenger-count

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-04-30 05:20:21 and read 8773 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 189):

I'd take these statistics with a pinch of salt seeing that many people would have cancelled their March 2011 bookings due to the Christchurch Earthquake. But of course, it's always good to see increased figures.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-05-01 02:40:08 and read 8486 times.

Hmm I'm aware May is relatively quiet, just flicking through some schedules and noticed NRT is as low as 3 weekly some weeks and KIX just 1 service, with the odd NRT/KIX combined of which some NRT rotations are 763s. It was schdeuled as 5 weekly 772s for NRT and 3 763s for KIX. I just havn't noticed any releases saying about the reduction in flights. This seems to be the way in parts of June aswell.

On another note KE have 3 744s through AKL this week, currently scheduled 5 weekly 772, maybe just some large groups or loads in general are good?!

TG are down from 5 to 4 until mid June aswell and CX are only 7 weekly this year compared to 10 in previous winters.

I wonder if CZ will increase again next summer? now more China NZ flights are allowed.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKOJH
Posted 2012-05-01 20:40:28 and read 8193 times.

''NZ-United States travel could get easier''

United States Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano has hinted that travel between the United States and New Zealand could be streamlined for frequent travellers.

Ahead of a meeting with Prime Minister John Key, Napolitano said she would be viewing the "smart gate" system that operates between Australia and New Zealand tomorrow.

http://tvnz.co.nz/travel-news/nz-uni...ed-states-could-get-easier-4861651

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-05-02 01:50:25 and read 8039 times.

I got to thinking as I arrived in IST this morning that TK would be a wonderful addition to the line up at AKL eventually. Fabulous product (Best Premium Economy I have ever flown), competitive fares, massive route network and Star Alliance points. Obviously it would need an additional stopover point, but if TK ever was in direct competition with any airline out of AKL right now it would be competitive. I'd love to use them more often if I have them as an option.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: sunrisevalley
Posted 2012-05-02 05:32:10 and read 7885 times.

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 192):
Ahead of a meeting with Prime Minister John Key, Napolitano said she would be viewing the "smart gate" system that operates between Australia and New Zealand tomorrow.

I assume this system would be close to the NEXUS card that Canadian and US citizens can get that allows for quick transit at border crossings and at airports. My wife and I recently applied for and got these and we are looking forward to much quicker transit at Canada-U.S. land border crossings where the backup's can be very long , especially on weekends and statutary holidays. I have frequently gazed with envy at the lack of lineup in the NEXUS line at YYZ as we have come in from LHR/LGW. For us this is in the past!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2012-05-02 05:44:00 and read 7893 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 193):
I got to thinking as I arrived in IST this morning that TK would be a wonderful addition to the line up at AKL eventually.

I've always thought TK would be a great NZ/DJ staralliance partner into SYD if they got the 77L in the fleet. That way they could fly non-stop to IST and one-stop to virtually anywhere in Europe from SYD.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 193):
(Best Premium Economy I have ever flown)

Have you flown NZ's new 77W version? How does it compare?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: aerorobnz
Posted 2012-05-02 06:34:42 and read 7862 times.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 195):

Have you flown NZ's new 77W version? How does it compare?

My general feeling for seat product, meals mood lighting show and amenity kits TK (better than NZ J Class kits!!), both pitch and width are very impressive and remind me of the 763 J Class in size, space and comfort..
The meal service was wonderful.

IFE pretty evenly balanced, TK had more new release movies but less of everything else (and shortly to have free wifi) but slightly less of everything else I think.
Wine/beverage selection definitely NZ (except quality of tea/coffee) and soft product (crew) fairly evenly matched currently The seat configuration on their 77W is 2-3-2 (like old fashioned 777 J Class). I realise that 2-2-2 is in theory better, but not
so far as I noticed due to the odd angles, and I would prefer the leather was not white. The '3 seater' on TK was ideal for groups who were not just couples, and me on the window

Oh and an 11h30 flight time in their PE costs $1150NZD, the same length sector on NZ 77Ws would set you back $3315NZD and you'd get less in the amenity kits, less food on the plates, fewer drink services etc etc... different markets and all that but I was shocked at the difference.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-05-02 06:43:52 and read 7860 times.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 193):

Why would TK make a fantastic addition to AKL, and not say CHC? There was talk last year about TK starting a WLG service via Aussie but I havn't heard anything more since. A TK person I was talking to has since gone quiet and he knew which routes TK were interested in

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-05-02 07:28:20 and read 7840 times.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 197):
Why would TK make a fantastic addition to AKL, and not say CHC? There was talk last year about TK starting a WLG service via Aussie but I havn't heard anything more since. A TK person I was talking to has since gone quiet and he knew which routes TK were interested in

Is WLG runway long enough for any of TK's widebodies?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-05-02 08:53:40 and read 7839 times.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 198):

Simple answer yes, WLGs runway is long enough for any widebody BUT it depends on the flight/route. As I said a TK insider said WLG was on a list last year for possible future destinations via Australia, but havn't heard anything more from him/in the media. A WLG - BNE/SYD/MEL widebody flight is possible, just ask NZ and QF who both recently have sent either B763s or A332s here on scheduled flights

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: macilree
Posted 2012-05-03 02:29:31 and read 7588 times.

Ah yes TK.

I might be updating this list next week.  

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-05-03 02:52:23 and read 7536 times.

Quoting macilree (Reply 200):
Ah yes TK.

I might be updating this list next week.

Sounds interesting!

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: 777ER
Posted 2012-05-03 07:45:50 and read 7468 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 201):

Certainly does sound interesting! Wonder what list TK will appear under? Totally hope its the operating aircraft list and not the usual code share list

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Auchmithie
Posted 2012-05-03 09:04:06 and read 7450 times.

A320 ZK-OJK on its way back routing Seletar - Cairns - Auckland.

Source: http://www.thenzsource.com

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: MotorHussy
Posted 2012-05-03 15:04:53 and read 7363 times.

Another accolade of sorts for New Zealand's flag-carrier...

Randstad announces Air New Zealand as most attractive employer

Quote:
Specialist recruitment & HR services provider, Randstad, announced this evening that Air New Zealand has won the inaugural 2011 Randstad Award, voted the country’s most attractive employer by over 4,000 jobseekers.

Regards
MH

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: nascarnut
Posted 2012-05-04 23:53:03 and read 6971 times.

ZK-NBT scheduled to leave NZ shores leaving just 3 747-400's in NZ, 2 operating and 1 awaiting departure

ZK-NBT will depart on the 7th May as follows
NZ6046 AKL etd 1700/07 LAX eta 1000/07
NZ6046 LAX etd 0800/08 GYR eta 0910/08

Not sure if it is going to Goodyear for parts or just parking up for awhile waiting for a buyer.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: Kaiarahi
Posted 2012-05-05 04:57:23 and read 6786 times.

GYR is home to two European pilot schools (including LH) and ... Aeroturbine (parts).

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: flyjetstar
Posted 2012-05-05 05:40:15 and read 6783 times.

The West Australian newspaper in Perth has a report that NZ will announce this week that they are changing AKL-PER to a 777 from October. The service will be daily.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-05-05 12:48:50 and read 6708 times.

Quoting flyjetstar (Reply 207):
The West Australian newspaper in Perth has a report that NZ will announce this week that they are changing AKL-PER to a 777 from October. The service will be daily.

That's interesting, I seem to remember someone having worked out that current 777 utilisation and saying that there was very little slack available, I'm not saying the report is wrong, just that I was under the impression this would be difficult to manage. It also raises the question of where the 767 currently operating the route would be redeployed to.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-05-05 17:31:40 and read 6563 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 208):
It also raises the question of where the 767 currently operating the route would be redeployed to.

DPS? Or is that already covered?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: xiaotung
Posted 2012-05-05 17:50:16 and read 6550 times.

Quoting flyjetstar (Reply 207):
The West Australian newspaper in Perth has a report that NZ will announce this week that they are changing AKL-PER to a 777 from October. The service will be daily.

It would also be interesting to see if they would sell Premium Economy seats. If not it will be the only long haul 777 route without a PE product.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: kiwiandrew
Posted 2012-05-05 18:42:31 and read 6507 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 209):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 208):
It also raises the question of where the 767 currently operating the route would be redeployed to.

DPS? Or is that already covered?

DPS starts in June and this schedule change (if confirmed ) is coming from October.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-05-05 18:54:08 and read 6499 times.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 211):

Right. NRT sounds like the only place that a 772 could possibly be switched for a 763 unless they scrap HKG-LHR by then (well planned, after the Olympics, if that's the case). I'm not sure if there are any other options..

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-05-05 19:15:25 and read 6479 times.

Hmm re 772s maybe a reduction in HKG-LHR or 763s to NRT, SFO is still showing 3 772s a week so maybe a switch to daily 744s.

I wonder if the PER schedule would stay the same or maybe a change? They did operate 8 weekly over last DEC JAN and some weeks in April saw 9 weekly mainly Easter so an upgrade to a daily 772 wouldn't be surprising.

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-05-06 03:57:52 and read 6231 times.

So currently now I have a bit more time the 772s are loaded on for Northern Winter 12/13 and of course this seems likely to change as it always does but.

HKG-LHR Daily 3 Aircraft
YVR 5 weekly + LAX 1 weekly 2 Aircraft
PVG 5 weekly 1 Aircraft (Reported to go Daily)
NRT Daily 1 Aircraft
SFO 3 weekly 1 Aircraft

To fit PER in my thinking is SFO to go daily 744, PVG to go daily 772 so that absorbs most of that freed up aircraft. HKG-LHR is said to be reduced maybe 4 weekly? But what do they do with the AKL-HKG sector then? As an aircraft is required to stay in HKG for 36 hours unless they decide to operate it like last year and run additional AKL-HKG frequencies? Thats not freeing up aircraft though. NRT could go 763? And Increase KIX over summer? I'm sure I read HND was avaliable from 2013 so maybe drop KIX which I thought I heard 1 more route could go anyway? With HND run a daily 772 with more domestic connections within Japan, slots could mean an odd schedule though or a long ground time in HND. How about for the 772s something like

HKG-LHR 4 Weekly 2 Aircraft
HKG 4 Weekly 0.5 Aircraft
YVR 5 weekly + LAX weekly 2 Aircraft
PVG Daily 1.5 Aircraft
PER Daily 1 Aircraft
NRT or HND Daily 1 Aircraft

Not sure how that looks but AKL-HKG overall 8 weekly so hopefully it can operate everyday plus 1 additional flight partly due to aircraft otherwise spending 36 hours in HKG atleast get it back to AKL. PER would use the inbound HKG Aircraft which arrives at 1110 if the schedule for both HKG and PER stays the same with PER leaving at 1400 returning at 0515 along with YVR and PVG then the aircraft would go to NRT or MEL/BNE so I think that should work, I wonder where the freed 763 will go?

Maybe the whole Long Haul review will be announced this week?

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: zkojq
Posted 2012-05-06 14:52:34 and read 6052 times.

Looking at the fleet page on Air New Zealand's website, it says that all but one A320 on order is for the domestic fleet. I guess this means that the new A320s are going straight to the domestic fleet, rather than going to the short-haul fleet whose current A320s were originally intended to switch to domestic operations. The website also lists one short-haul A320 as on order. I suspect this is ZK-OJK which arrived sometimes last week.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 187):
I've been to Gallipoli for ANZAC Day, the vast majority of Kiwi (and Aussie) visitors to the dawn ceremony are young people on there O.E. the rest are dignitaries, military and veterans. It's become one of the must do events for people on their O.E. along with Hogmany in Edinburgh, running of the bull's in Pamplona and Oktoberfest in Munich. I very much doubt you could fill a plane with the number of non official NZ based people who go.

Interesting to know, thanks for sharing. I guess that because Air New Zealand is getting short of spare long-haul aircraft capacity anyway, they wouldn't do such a flight if profits were only going to be marginal.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 184):
Wow, brings back memories! Remember when LAN Chile leased these two DC-10s from Air New Zealand?

Anyone got photos?

Quoting Auchmithie (Reply 203):
A320 ZK-OJK on its way back routing Seletar - Cairns - Auckland.

Here are some photos from in Cairns:
http://bit.ly/JpNCzw
http://bit.ly/Ky4ToG
I assume ZK-OJK will return to the short-haul fleet, as they will be needing a little extra capacity with the launch of MCY in July. Between then and now I expect it will be getting an interior fitted.

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 204):
Another accolade of sorts for New Zealand's flag-carrier...

Randstad announces Air New Zealand as most attractive employer

Not really a surprise; I believe Air New Zealand has won that award a few times before.  
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 205):
Not sure if it is going to Goodyear for parts or just parking up for awhile waiting for a buyer.

I certainly hope it is the latter. Does anyone know when -NBU leaves? It will be rather sad to have the 747 fleet down to two aircraft.  

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: HLZCPH
Posted 2012-05-06 17:50:03 and read 5964 times.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 215):
I assume ZK-OJK will return to the short-haul fleet, as they will be needing a little extra capacity with the launch of MCY in July. Between then and now I expect it will be getting an interior fitted.

Thanks for the link to the pics in Cairns.

I see OJK had another rego briefly between Brazil and here. Why would this be? Does anyone know?


http://www.planespotters.net/Product...20/2445,ZK-OJK-Air-New-Zealand.php

Topic: RE: New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 113
Username: ZKSUJ
Posted 2012-05-06 19:31:30 and read 5895 times.

Just Started Thread #114

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5458710/


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