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Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: TWA85
Posted 2012-05-23 09:06:54 and read 27838 times.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...nces-initial-boeing-160000249.html

Not exactly what many were hoping for, but not surprising either. Initial routes are DFW and JFK to LHR and GRU. What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Tan Flyr
Posted 2012-05-23 09:28:30 and read 27560 times.

Those routes may make the most sense, for maximizing PROFIT!

more frequencies on other Latin routes?

OR maybe sliding a few into more domestic service..MIA-DFW-LAX ?

or freeing up and moving around the 763's and retire a 762 or 2?? (just a thought)

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: TWA1985
Posted 2012-05-23 09:29:56 and read 27553 times.

What about ORD? I'm disappointed.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: web500sjc
Posted 2012-05-23 09:31:21 and read 27530 times.

some interesting tidbits from the article,

apparently they are introducing international WiFi

a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

and introduction of Main Cabin Extra- adds 6 inches of leg room
Main cabin extra link

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/mainCabi...ion=DirectURL&title=maincabinextra

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: incitatus
Posted 2012-05-23 09:34:40 and read 27423 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

More Brazil!

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: JOYA380B747
Posted 2012-05-23 09:36:34 and read 27408 times.

I must ask... will AA's new 77W sport their current livery? Because that AA livery would look stunning on that Triple 7 stretch....

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: brons2
Posted 2012-05-23 09:44:23 and read 27230 times.

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 2):
What about ORD? I'm disappointed.

ORD seems to be getting less emphasis from AA in general.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: columba
Posted 2012-05-23 09:46:51 and read 27203 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

BER   you can hope  

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-05-23 09:51:44 and read 27138 times.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

Well, bear in mind that the 777-300ERs are being deployed on routes where there is a demand for F, and likely those F passengers will value this type of service. Meanwhile, the 772s are being re-configured to include J-only premium seats, hence adding back in a few extra seats for higher revenue.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
and introduction of Main Cabin Extra- adds 6 inches of leg room
Main cabin extra link

Another thing that AA will find is a revenue generator. It's just following the trends with airlines such as UA, DL, BA, etc. all of which have found that there is demand for a premium economy class.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: 777STL
Posted 2012-05-23 09:52:56 and read 27098 times.

Old news, this has been known for a while now.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 5):
I must ask... will AA's new 77W sport their current livery? Because that AA livery would look stunning on that Triple 7 stretch....

Most likely. The first 77W is due on property at the end of this year so if they were planning a new livery, they don't have much time to work with.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: flyboy80
Posted 2012-05-23 09:58:05 and read 26990 times.

What is the deal with the interor decor? Are these patterns going to be extended to the domestic fleet as well?

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2012-05-23 10:11:25 and read 26789 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

More China routes ... just a guess.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: TWA1985
Posted 2012-05-23 10:14:04 and read 26712 times.

Quoting brons2 (Reply 6):
ORD seems to be getting less emphasis from AA in general.

Perhaps the writing is on the wall ... maybe AA will shrink ORD after all. (Okay, I know this statement is ridiculous, but I just needed to vent).

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: realsim
Posted 2012-05-23 10:32:38 and read 26312 times.

It surprises me that DFW-GRU is only scheduled for 2 months, and then replaced by DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR/GRU. Is DFW-GRU a "test" then?

DFW-GRU: 13DEC2012 - 13FEB2013 (AA963/AA962)
DFW-LHR: From 31JAN2012 (AA50/AA79 through FEB13, then AA50/AA51)
JFK-LHR: From 14FEB2013 (AA100/AA101)
JFK-GRU: From 02APR2013 (AA951/AA950)
DFW-LHR (2n flight): 02MAR2013 - 31MAR2013 (AA78/AA79)

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: bohica
Posted 2012-05-23 10:57:12 and read 25902 times.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):
a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

That walk-up bar may make the difference for the premium customer who has a choice of airlines. That customer may choose AA over airlines such as UA or DL, or others who do not have the bar.

Quoting realsim (Reply 14):
It surprises me that DFW-GRU is only scheduled for 2 months, and then replaced by DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR/GRU. Is DFW-GRU a "test" then?

My educated guess is that it is just seasonal adjustments.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: tonytifao
Posted 2012-05-23 10:59:30 and read 25905 times.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 4):
More Brazil!

Can we possibly see CNF with a 777?  

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: rotating14
Posted 2012-05-23 11:05:47 and read 25773 times.

This all sounds wonderful but what about the untouched markets in the Far-East like Seoul or Bangkok?? Im guessing they fly to NRT but not places like BOM, DEL.   

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: JOYA380B747
Posted 2012-05-23 11:11:58 and read 25627 times.

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 17):
Im guessing they fly to NRT but not places like BOM, DEL.

They pulled off their ORD-DEL daily service a few months back, I don't suppose AA will return any time soon....

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: boeingfever777
Posted 2012-05-23 11:18:05 and read 25439 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?

Re-start KIX?
Up-grd #945/DFW or #957/MIA to SCL

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18):
I don't suppose AA will return any time soon....

The historical financial performance of the route and its future outlook given the global economic climate and high oil prices has resulted in a decision by American to cancel its New Delhi (DEL) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD) service. Don't see them restarting as they have co-shares for the flight.

[Edited 2012-05-23 11:38:20]

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-05-23 11:38:57 and read 24769 times.

DFW-LHR, JFK to LHR and GRU, why do these destinations not surprise us for the 77W.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: dirtyfrankd
Posted 2012-05-23 11:39:09 and read 24763 times.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 19):

Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?

Yes, I'm guessing they will be using the 77E that they are pulling off of the JFK-NRT route.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: rojo
Posted 2012-05-23 11:40:27 and read 24713 times.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 19):
Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?

JFK-NRT moves to HND so it is the same aircraft. No need for an additional B772 for this route.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2012-05-23 12:38:04 and read 23560 times.

At least seasonally, I can see the 777 going to FRA as a pretty good bet. 70/71 is absolutely always full, and right now, it is AA's only flight to Germany, the world's third? largest economy. I think maybe it is a safe bet that AA will try ORD-BER and maybe DFW-BER on the 767 at some point. DFW-BER is long, as the FRA flight was taking weight restrictions all throughout the winter because of the headwinds, but I think they might be able to make it work. All in all I know AA needs to do something more in Germany than just 1x FRA flights, not when Star carriers can send 777s to MUC and Delta can fly to STR. AA's service there is abysmal and warrants more international capacity.

Also, I think sending the 777 to SCL is another good bet. Already, AA is talking about expanding GRU international service. Outside of Brazil, EZE and SCL do incredibly well loadfactor wise. I would hope for an upguage to SCL or perhaps a second DFW-EZE trip (or a third MIA-EZE).

I just flew MIA-SCL last week, and it was 90%+ full, as a nonrev, we flew over to EZE on LA because the return SCL-DFW flight was filling up. This is the off season for Chile and South America and AA is still filling aircraft.

It would be a good use for the 777s.

More Asia is good too. In fact, more international capacity is needed all around, so I'm very excited to see the 77Ws arrive!

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-05-23 14:50:45 and read 21681 times.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3):

a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

A walk up bar setup between meal services takes virtually no galley space or requires space for seating. I don't think we are talking about a lounge like a few Middle Eastern airlines have, but rather just a self service bar with drinks and snacks. They are pretty common on many airlines.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-05-23 14:59:20 and read 22111 times.

For those who haven't seen the artist renderings of the interior of the new 77W, here's a link. It shows the new walk-up bar, new Flagship Suite, new business class seat and coach product.

http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/boeing-777-300ER.jsp

Also, DFW-GRU will go 77W on 13Dec, DFW/JFK-LHR will begin in February 2013.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-05-23 15:23:57 and read 21561 times.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter):
Initial routes are DFW and JFK to LHR and GRU.

I hope the emphasis is on the word "initial", otherwise this is just more of the same from AA. Disappointing.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-05-23 15:29:57 and read 21639 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 23):
Also, I think sending the 777 to SCL is another good bet. Already, AA is talking about expanding GRU international service. Outside of Brazil, EZE and SCL do incredibly well loadfactor wise. I would hope for an upguage to SCL or perhaps a second DFW-EZE trip (or a third MIA-EZE).

I just flew MIA-SCL last week, and it was 90% full, as a nonrev, we flew over to EZE on LA because the return SCL-DFW flight was filling up. This is the off season for Chile and South America and AA is still filling aircraft.

A 777 to Santiago would be good but do you want to put a plane that LAN may not appreciate being upstaged with ? LAN is an important AA partner where AA makes lots of money.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-05-23 16:01:48 and read 21154 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 26):

I hope the emphasis is on the word "initial", otherwise this is just more of the same from AA. Disappointing.

Why is using the airplane to two of the largest international markets that AA serves disappointing? LHR is their number one international destination followed by GRU as their second.

Isn't it completely logical that their biggest plane will go to their top two international destinations?

It makes no sense to use the 77W into emerging or new markets like China or India. Other markets seem to be appropriate for the 772 like NRT, FRA, EZE, etc.

Topic: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: aacun
Posted 2012-05-23 16:19:21 and read 20772 times.

From the PR Announcement sent out


Boeing 777-200ERs
American's entire fleet of 777-200ERs will be redesigned to a two-class cabin configuration to better match capacity and demand. The aircraft cabin will feature unique mood lighting and a dramatic archway and ceiling treatment to create a feeling of spaciousness similar to the 777-300ERs, the first of which American plans to receive later this year. A Business Class walk-up bar stocked with snacks and refreshments is for premium customers. International Wi-Fi will also be available inflight.

So I guess the plan is to place a Bar on the -200s as well.


As for the -300, the final passenger number is 310. It will be loaded into sabre this week so we will finally get a breakdown on each cabin's capacity very soon.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: liftsifter
Posted 2012-05-23 16:23:59 and read 20623 times.

Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mhkansan
Posted 2012-05-23 16:35:05 and read 20376 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
A 777 to Santiago would be good but do you want to put a plane that LAN may not appreciate being upstaged with ? LAN is an important AA partner where AA makes lots of money.

Well I think from now on the 77W will be the flagship aircraft. Besides, lots of other airlines bring large jets to SCL, IB brings the A346 and its a Oneworld partner, and QF brings it's 747-400s. Also AF flies the 772 there. Not a big deal to have a larger aircraft, besides, LAN's product (hard and soft) is very very nice. While the 772s will be newly reconfigured and will have new J seats, we're talking 10 abreast in coach, which even if the seats are nice, won't hold a candle to LA's comfortable 2-3-2 or whatever they come up with in the 787.

Also, LA and AA only share SCL-MIA, with LA leading with 2x flights with AA having just one (albeit the first to arrive in MIA) and AA is the only one that flies DFW-SCL, which even on a 772 would fill planes and would do very well.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-23 16:44:20 and read 20152 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 30):
Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

sadly.... neither. it's virtually confirmed at 3-4-3 (see facebook AA page, flyer talk, twitter etc)

just when you thought UA and DL are downgrading their 25K tier elite benefits, AA is giving them an extra bonus known as Y-.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-05-23 16:52:07 and read 19956 times.

Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-05-23 16:53:37 and read 19905 times.

Looking forward to when the 77W eventually makes it to MIA. In the meantime, I'll settle for the pics from JFK/DFW/LHR/GRU.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-23 16:57:08 and read 19832 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 33):

Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?

because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers ... kinda like reverse robin hood

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Delimit
Posted 2012-05-23 17:01:54 and read 19737 times.

Plus ça change.

Just what AA needs; more seats in the JFK - LHR market.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: aaexecplat
Posted 2012-05-23 17:37:29 and read 19051 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 35):

Can you explain that statement to me? They will have less premium seats on these refurbished 772s and a relatively small MaincabinExtra section (compared to UA), so less upgrades via SWUs for elites and less of a slam dunk on the E+ for elites. How do elites benefit disproportionately from this refurb?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-05-23 18:26:28 and read 18129 times.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 31):
Besides, lots of other airlines bring large jets to SCL, IB brings the A346 and its a Oneworld partner, and QF brings it's 747-400s. Also AF flies the 772 there.

For many carriers, it's a range and/or ETOPS issue. Europe-SCL is getting toward the edge of the 343's range.

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 31):
Also, LA and AA only share SCL-MIA, with LA leading with 2x flights with AA having just one (albeit the first to arrive in MIA) and AA is the only one that flies DFW-SCL, which even on a 772 would fill planes and would do very well.

I don't understand your fascination with SCL. Loads are all right, but not markedly higher than other 763 destinations in South America. What am I missing?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-23 18:27:41 and read 18173 times.

Quoting aaexecplat (Reply 37):
Can you explain that statement to me? They will have less premium seats on these refurbished 772s and a relatively small MaincabinExtra section (compared to UA), so less upgrades via SWUs for elites and less of a slam dunk on the E+ for elites. How do elites benefit disproportionately from this refurb?

Because in UA, all elites get Y+ while regulars still get Y.

In AA 77W, *some* elites get Y+ while low tier elites and regulars get Y-. The gap is definitely wider.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: 9w748capt
Posted 2012-05-23 19:15:24 and read 17237 times.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 19):
Don't see them restarting as they have co-shares for the flight.

Wasn't aware of that - who does AA still codeshare to DEL with? Do they still have their code on 9W flights ex-BRU even though AA has virtually axed BRU?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Concordski
Posted 2012-05-23 19:31:05 and read 16957 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 39):
Because in UA, all elites get Y+ while regulars still get Y.

However silver elites will/now are only going to get Y+ at check-in rather than at time of booking. Still I think I'm going to move my flying to United from AA for a few reasons listed. Not committed yet but I don't have a good outlook for the fact that there will be at least 8 premium seats less in the 777-200ER fleet than before (37J + 16F going to 45J) and AA's J is very hard to redeem in comparison to their F which is a big reason I've picked for my flying. Also remember that AA said up to 45J so some existing 777s are going to have less than 45J. As I travel to Tokyo at least once a year in premium, I'm not looking forward to paying more. Especially if I'm rewarded less if Doug Parker implements Useless Airways Dividend Miles that are even more impossible to redeem than Skypesos. Assuming the merger goes through but I don't think it can be avoided.
/rant

[Edited 2012-05-23 19:33:42]

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-23 19:39:14 and read 16794 times.

Quoting Concordski (Reply 41):
However silver elites will/now are only going to get Y+ at check-in rather than at time of booking. Still I think I'm going to move my flying to United from AA for a few reasons listed. Not committed yet but I don't have a good outlook for the fact that there will be at least 8 premium seats less in the 777-200ER fleet than before (37J + 16F going to 45J) and AA's J is very hard to redeem in comparison to their F which is a big reason I've picked for my flying. Also remember that AA said up to 45J so some existing 777s are going to have less than 45J. As I travel to Tokyo at least once a year in premium, I'm not looking forward to paying more. Especially if I'm rewarded less if Doug Parker implements Useless Airways Dividend Miles that are even more impossible to redeem than Skypesos. Assuming the merger goes through but I don't think it can be avoided.
/rant

Wow you must be one of the rare few. All those loud voices on flyertalk insist on moving from UA to AA, even only from anecdotal unverified experiences they've read online instead of experienced themselves.

UA gives 6 SWUs to use on mostly flat beds. AA gives you 8 of those but none of their current-in-the-sky fleet has any non-slanted true flat bed.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2012-05-23 19:45:56 and read 16675 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 42):
Wow you must be one of the rare few. All those loud voices on flyertalk insist on moving from UA to AA, even only from anecdotal unverified experiences they've read online instead of experienced themselves.

I think the evidence is more than anecdotal that UACO has been having some teething pains that have more than a few FF's irritated (or worse). While these things usually blow over, I don't think it'd be healthy of them to ignore it, and certainly there is little consolation in "not being quite as bad as...".

-Dave

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: YULWinterSkies
Posted 2012-05-23 23:29:04 and read 14108 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 30):
Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

I think the quote from 777STL below could solve your question. No idea about the source and how reliable the info is, however, I would not be surprised at all that yet one more airline opts for the sardine can.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9):
Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: chopchop767
Posted 2012-05-24 00:57:52 and read 13278 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 42):
Wow you must be one of the rare few. All those loud voices on flyertalk insist on moving from UA to AA, even only from anecdotal unverified experiences they've read online instead of experienced themselves.

Add me to the list. The last flight that I have booked with UA/LH is next week from NAP to BOS in J via FRA. While actually none of the routing is on UA, ever since the merger and the combination of FF programs, it's been impossible to get anyone on the phone to claim missing miles from trips to Africa. That and a myriad of other on the ground and in the air issues, has prompted me to plan a few future trips with AA/BA, to try them out. With that said, I'll still use UA/LH, since out of NAP, it's just more convenient.

Quoting bohica (Reply 15):
That walk-up bar may make the difference for the premium customer who has a choice of airlines. That customer may choose AA over airlines such as UA or DL, or others who do not have the bar.

I think this is a really nice feature, one that I'm looking forward to trying. I've only flown on UA/LH in J, and they don't have bars. As someone who enjoys 'a few' cocktails on the plane, unless the price difference was astronomical, I'd like to try it out. It's nice to see AA investing in their fleet with premium features to keep up with the competition.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: carpethead
Posted 2012-05-24 01:36:35 and read 12956 times.

I am fascinated that an airline that is in ‘bankruptcy’ can:
1. Continue to take delivery of two/three 738s a month
2. Will take delivery of a number of 77Ws over the next year.
3. Doing numerous cabin upgrades
4. No dropping a hub or two; nor dramatically decreasing or downgauging of flights.

Just out of curiosity, is there a timetable for when AA is to emerge from bankruptcy?
Next year, they will take delivery of even more aircraft.
The US industry is finding new ways of defining ‘bankruptcy.’

Argg, another airline going 10-abreast on a 777. Cancel this carrier/aircraft combo off my travel list.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: gdg9
Posted 2012-05-24 06:23:40 and read 10399 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 33):

Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?

Well said. For someone buying a Y ticket DFW-LHR, why wouldn't I just go on BA or AA's other flights (767, 772) and get a normal width Y seat, instead of being stuffed in EK style?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: United787
Posted 2012-05-24 06:30:59 and read 10312 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 26):

I hope the emphasis is on the word "initial", otherwise this is just more of the same from AA. Disappointing.

Did you really expect AA to use it's largest aircraft to introduce a new route? What will be disappointing is if AA doesn't use the extra 772s or subsequent 763s to open a new route...

Quoting carpethead (Reply 46):
I am fascinated that an airline that is in ‘bankruptcy’ can:
1. Continue to take delivery of two/three 738s a month
2. Will take delivery of a number of 77Ws over the next year.
3. Doing numerous cabin upgrades
4. No dropping a hub or two; nor dramatically decreasing or downgauging of flights.

Just out of curiosity, is there a timetable for when AA is to emerge from bankruptcy?
Next year, they will take delivery of even more aircraft.
The US industry is finding new ways of defining ‘bankruptcy.’

AA needed big changes during bankruptcy, some of them involve spending money to make more money, items #1-3 are some of those items.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-05-24 06:53:54 and read 10040 times.

Quoting chopchop767 (Reply 45):
Quoting bohica (Reply 15):
That walk-up bar may make the difference for the premium customer who has a choice of airlines. That customer may choose AA over airlines such as UA or DL, or others who do not have the bar.

I think this is a really nice feature, one that I'm looking forward to trying. I've only flown on UA/LH in J, and they don't have bars. As someone who enjoys 'a few' cocktails on the plane, unless the price difference was astronomical, I'd like to try it out. It's nice to see AA investing in their fleet with premium features to keep up with the competition.

It won't be a bar with a bartender able to mix drinks etc. It will just be a space in the galley where you can help yourself to a drink and some snacks, probably very similar to what Air NZ has just introduced to the 77W, or what QF has had on board their aircraft for years.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-24 07:06:01 and read 9930 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 48):
Did you really expect AA to use it's largest aircraft to introduce a new route? What will be disappointing is if AA doesn't use the extra 772s or subsequent 763s to open a new route...

Apparently some IQ 200 people on this forum think AA would launched ULH flights like MIA-NRT or DFW-HKG on their largest plane with unproven yield economics based on nothing but some obscure PDEW figures .. purely for the sake of hub-to-hub.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAplat4life
Posted 2012-05-24 07:14:30 and read 9774 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 48):
Did you really expect AA to use it's largest aircraft to introduce a new route? What will be disappointing is if AA doesn't use the extra 772s or subsequent 763s to open a new route

I personally did not, but management said that it was acquiring the 77Ws for that purpose. Obviously, things change--or in this case remain the same.

Although I understand why they are being deployed on JFK-LHR given the removal of First Class on the 772s, doesn't this risk the chance of AA bastardizing its product on the JFK-LHR route? It is going to have a two different 777s with different seating configurations. Other airlines do this, but AA will only be able to offer First Class on some of its flights now.

I also agree with the comment that AA really does not need the additional capacity on JFK-LHR given its current number of flight, code shareing with BA, its other competitors and the fact that generally it is under assault in the New York market and does not seem to have an answer other than to give up market share.

The 77W is a phenominal aircraft with a lot of range. Once AA gets the aircraft into its system, it will probalby redploy it on other routes. This is pretty much standard operating procedure at AA. For example the 772s were initially flown on the DFW-London route (it might have been LGW), but ORD became all 777 on ORD-LHR before DFW did. Now that has changed a bit too. So I don't see these 77W routes set in stone.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: cx828
Posted 2012-05-24 08:10:48 and read 9383 times.

how many 77w did AA order actually, i think they will use on European route rather than Asian, in fact, AA doesn;t seem to care about Asian market, only depend on codeshare with CX, unlike UA, although share the same alliance with SQ, still fly actively to different Asian cities.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2012-05-24 08:10:50 and read 9363 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 48):
Did you really expect AA to use it's largest aircraft to introduce a new route? What will be disappointing is if AA doesn't use the extra 772s or subsequent 763s to open a new route...
Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 51):
I personally did not, but management said that it was acquiring the 77Ws for that purpose. Obviously, things change--or in this case remain the same.

Well I'm certain at some point in the next year or so we can except the 77Ws on a new route, but they have to break the aircraft in first as well as train the crew(s) and ground employees. It makes more sense to use the new aircraft on existing routes for a while.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 51):
I also agree with the comment that AA really does not need the additional capacity on JFK-LHR given its current number of flight, code shareing with BA, its other competitors and the fact that generally it is under assault in the New York market and does not seem to have an answer other than to give up market share.

That's the prime time evening slot from JFK to LHR. I think its a good move to offer the flagship aircraft on that route.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 46):
1. Continue to take delivery of two/three 738s a month
2. Will take delivery of a number of 77Ws over the next year.
3. Doing numerous cabin upgrades
4. No dropping a hub or two; nor dramatically decreasing or downgauging of flights.

These are things that can't happen fast enough for AA to regain traction moving forward. I understand your point about the
contradictions of the US bankruptcy process - but AA has to operate within the laws in effect.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-05-24 08:22:27 and read 9307 times.

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 30):
Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

AA confirmed via their Facebook page about two weeks ago that main cabin would be 3-4-3.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 51):
but AA will only be able to offer First Class on some of its flights now.

The cabin refurbs aren't expected to start until 2014, at which time all 10 77Ws on order will be in AA's fleet. So they should have sufficient metal to continue First on all JFK-LHR flights without mixing equipment, unless they want to. AA currently offers a mix of 777/767 between ORD-LHR and DFW-LHR, so some flights have first and some don't. Also keep in mind the 789s should be delivered beginning late 2014, and by all accounts that will be a three-class plane. It could very well take over the US-LHR market as well, or at least fill the gaps between the 772 and 77W. And with 47 772 a/c, they won't be reconfigured overnight. So again, there should be sufficient three-class metal to keep the routes three-class should that be their desire.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: ASA
Posted 2012-05-24 09:42:38 and read 8964 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 35):
because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers ... kinda like reverse robin hood

... or exactly like ... WALL ST ...   

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: aaexecplat
Posted 2012-05-24 11:14:25 and read 8910 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 39):
Because in UA, all elites get Y+ while regulars still get Y.

In AA 77W, *some* elites get Y+ while low tier elites and regulars get Y-. The gap is definitely wider.

So you were being facetious...that makes more sense then. Agree that from a pure seating arrangement, the UA birds are a better bet for UA elites. The big difference is the ability to redeem SWU vs GPU. That one is in AA's favor for now.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: boeingfever777
Posted 2012-05-24 11:45:23 and read 8929 times.

This is cool off the Boeing website:

777-300ER. These schedules will appear in global distribution systems this week.

Market

Flight

Frequency

Date
Dallas/Fort Worth – Sao Paul
AA963/AA962
Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday – southbound; Wednesday, Friday, Sunday – northbound
Dec. 13 through Dec. 31
Dallas/Fort Worth – Sao Paulo
AA963/AA962
Daily except Monday – southbound; Daily except Tuesday – northbound
Jan. 1 through Jan. 30
Dallas/Fort Worth- Sao Paulo
AA963/AA962
Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday – southbound; Wednesday, Friday, Sunday – northbound
Jan. 31 through Feb. 13
Dallas/Fort Worth – London Heathrow
AA50/AA79
Daily
Jan. 31 through Feb. 13
Dallas/Fort Worth – London Heathrow
AA50/AA51
Daily
Feb. 14 on
New York JFK – London Heathrow
AA100/AA101
Daily
Feb. 14 on
Dallas/Fort Worth – London Heathrow
AA78/AA79
Daily
March 2 through March 31
New York – JFK – Sao Paulo
AA951/AA950
Daily

Quoting 9w748capt (Reply 40):

Wasn't aware of that - who does AA still codeshare to DEL with? Do they still have their code on 9W flights ex-BRU even though AA has virtually axed BRU?

You are correct.

AAdvantage Logo

Earn MilesCode Share
American Airlines - Jet Airways Codeshare Service

American Airlines codeshares on Jet Airways flights between Brussels and India, plus connecting flights within India
Airport Connections

Brussels, Belgium – both carriers operate from Pier B
Delhi, India – both carriers operate from Terminal 3

Additional Information

For additional information not listed above, go to www.jetairways.com


Quoting cx828 (Reply 54):
how many 77w did AA order actually, i think they will use on European route rather than Asian, in fact, AA doesn;t seem to care about Asian market, only depend on codeshare with CX, unlike UA, although share the same alliance with SQ, still fly actively to different Asian cities.

Which is incorrect, the Asia - US market is hudge, just AA does not have the routes or metal to support it like UA and DL do. Member UA got alot of that from when PA went bankrupt and UA got it all for $750million USD.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2012-05-24 15:02:12 and read 8859 times.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 58):
Which is incorrect, the Asia - US market is hudge, just AA does not have the routes or metal to support it like UA and DL do. Member UA got alot of that from when PA went bankrupt and UA got it all for $750million USD.

Actually, PA sold the pacific division to UA in 1985, well before their bankruptcy. Incidentally, they had offered that network piece to AA beforehand, but were turned down(This was just as Crandall was taking the reigns at AA).

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2012-05-25 00:34:50 and read 8703 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 50):
Apparently some IQ 200 people on this forum think AA would launched ULH flights like MIA-NRT or DFW-HKG on their largest plane with unproven yield economics based on nothing but some obscure PDEW figures .. purely for the sake of hub-to-hub.]

That's not what people think. AA has gone as far as to mention both publicly as potential new markets. Until the 77W, AA has not had a plane to properly do either without restriction. And both are in fact being strongly considered.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-05-25 01:01:07 and read 8613 times.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 51):
Although I understand why they are being deployed on JFK-LHR given the removal of First Class on the 772s, doesn't this risk the chance of AA bastardizing its product on the JFK-LHR route? It is going to have a two different 777s with different seating configurations. Other airlines do this, but AA will only be able to offer First Class on some of its flights now.

It is AA's flagship route with BA. It does seem to be a lot of extra capacity for this route. What are the load factors right now in all cabins? Paid P & J on AA metal?

This is also a good route for them to do training on sense this route can be flown under 6 hours on occasion during the summer months, eastbound.


If JL doesn't start MIA-NRT with a 788, I bet we see AA start it up with the 788 and necessary, upgauge later to the 77W.

Now that AA is in bankruptcy, I think management has more leverage now to get the flight crews to work with them on a decent schedule. If the demand is there, I think we'd see CX pick it up over AA and fly a route like DFW-HKG JV status.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-05-25 01:25:00 and read 8568 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 35):
because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers

It's very disappointing to see AA join EK, KLM, AF and I am sure others in squeezing 10 abreast in economy. Even BA who seem to champion premium flying over anything else have only configured their new 77W with nine abreast and still manage 14 in F and 56 in J.

But AA 77W to LHR..that will do nicely.

I also think the 'benefit' of a help yourself bar is overplayed. Travelling BA,even, in cattle if you walk to the galley the cabin staff will gladly serve you a drink [alcaholic or otherwise] and give you a bag of prezels or similar at any time when there isn't an official meal/drinks service in progress - would it be that much better to open the draw and get the miniature/can out yourself?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AA767400
Posted 2012-05-25 01:51:56 and read 8509 times.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 61):
would it be that much better to open the draw and get the miniature/can out yourself?

Yes it would. I know myself included, that it is a better option to just grab and serve what you want. I don't want human interaction. You pour the amount you want, or as many glasses as possible. All without having to deal with if broom hilda is having a nice day or not, or does not like intruders in her galley.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 61):
It's very disappointing to see AA join EK, KLM, AF and I am sure others in squeezing 10 abreast in economy.

It's the wave of the future. High density steerage where airlines can squeeze in even more profit. Sad but true.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAplat4life
Posted 2012-05-25 06:22:19 and read 8184 times.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 62):
It's the wave of the future. High density steerage where airlines can squeeze in even more profit. Sad but true.

Again, it depends what UA and DL do here. If they do not go to 10 abreast in coash, AA will take some heat.

Someone mentioned that the 787s should be around in 2014. AA's propaganda machine has been backing off from this, as it is 2012 and the order has not yet been finalized. Even if the bankruptcy court imposes its own contract this Summer, that is still insufficient time to get moving on this order. Putting aside AA issues, we are talking about the 787-9, and that is still being developed. Boeing first has to finalize the design, build it, test it, get it certified and put it into production.

Meanwhile if Southwest can build an international terminal at Houston Hobby and acquire its own 787s, AA's business model will be toast. Southwest is targeting Latin America for its international expansion via Houston. This will decimate United at IAH also, but at least United has other routes to claim it is a true global carrier.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Cubsrule
Posted 2012-05-25 06:37:18 and read 8174 times.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 63):
Meanwhile if Southwest can build an international terminal at Houston Hobby and acquire its own 787s, AA's business model will be toast.

If FR buys 787s and starts flying DFW-GRU/EZE/NRT, AA's business model will also be toast. But what's the point of speculating about events that aren't going to happen?

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-05-25 07:35:25 and read 8008 times.

Quoting laca773 (Reply 59):
I bet we see AA start it up with the 788

AA has an MOU for 789s (42+58 options), not the 788.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 62):
Someone mentioned that the 787s should be around in 2014. AA's propaganda machine has been backing off from this, as it is 2012 and the order has not yet been finalized.

AA has an active fleet tracker on their employee website, of which the 787s are very much a part of. AA is currently scheduled to take delivery of the 789 in 4Q14, and AA has said before they need to let Boeing know their intentions no later than 18 months prior to first delivery. So AA has about a year to firm up those orders and maintain their delivery position. Of course, as you mentioned, Boeing needs to finalize the 789 and get it flying, but for now there's still time.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2012-05-25 08:58:14 and read 7822 times.

Quoting AAplat4life (Reply 62):

Meanwhile if Southwest can build an international terminal at Houston Hobby and acquire its own 787s, AA's business model will be toast. Southwest is targeting Latin America for its international expansion via Houston. This will decimate United at IAH also, but at least United has other routes to claim it is a true global carrier.

If I invent a teleporter, EK's business model will be toast. WN can't even integrate FL and its 717s at the moment, so what makes you think they can buy 787s and start stacking them 10 deep to Latin America from HOU? I do agree with you on the 787-9s, though... sounds like AA will get them 2015 at the earliest.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 64):
AA has an active fleet tracker on their employee website, of which the 787s are very much a part of.

Yeah, I would be very suprised if we see 787s in AA colors in 2014.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-05-25 17:33:49 and read 7373 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 64):

AA has an MOU for 789s (42+58 options), not the 788.

Thanks qqflyboy for the clarification. I knew that. I believe I was thinking of the JL 788s. At the same time, I don't think it would hurt AA to buy/lease some 788s for their longer, thinner routes.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: ord
Posted 2012-05-25 20:12:38 and read 7116 times.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 57):
Actually, PA sold the pacific division to UA in 1985, well before their bankruptcy. Incidentally, they had offered that network piece to AA beforehand, but were turned down

Not according to the book Hard Landing, which says that Crandall was jealous and outraged to learn that United was buying Pan Am's Pacfiic division and that he never had the opportunity to bid on it. Pan Am found Crandall difficult on a previous airplane swap and apparently did not want to deal with him again.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Caryjack
Posted 2012-05-25 22:19:16 and read 6925 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9):
Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters
Quoting aacun (Reply 28):
American's entire fleet of 777-200ERs will be redesigned to a two-class cabin configuration to better match capacity and demand
Quoting liftsifter (Reply 29):
Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

So what is it, 3-3-3 or 2-5-2?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 31):
sadly.... neither. it's virtually confirmed at 3-4-3 (see facebook AA page, flyer talk, twitter etc)

Virtually confirmed?

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32):
Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?

I wouldn't, and I always use my "own money".

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 34):
because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers ... kinda like reverse robin hood

I've never actually felt "loved" by those guys but I do fly them...I like their destinations.

So what's it going to be in Y, 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 ? Who knows??
Thanks,   
Cary

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Concordski
Posted 2012-05-26 09:00:55 and read 6429 times.

Just to confirm for those who are still are confused on the 9 or 10 abreast in economy, here's official word from a journalist's query to AA:

http://travel.usatoday.com/alliance/...777s/691710/1?loc=interstitialskip

10 abreast on both the 772 and 773. Y+ though will be 3-3-3 for 9 abreast.

[Edited 2012-05-26 09:02:01]

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-05-26 10:25:32 and read 6303 times.

Quoting Concordski (Reply 71):
10 abreast on both the 772 and 773. Y+ though will be 3-3-3 for 9 abreast.

With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on transatlantic routes, why would anyone choose a cramped AA 10-abreast 77 when you can travel in much more comfort on a BA 777 with one less seat abreast and booked with an AA flight number? 10-abreast on BA 744s, still heavily used on U.S.-Europe routes, are also much better than 10-abreast on a 777.

Doesn't say much for "seamless" alliance standards of service.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2012-05-27 04:38:05 and read 5789 times.

Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com!

The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers.

Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-05-27 09:00:55 and read 5513 times.

Looking at the configuration, I cant imagine what new routes AA would fly with this. I dont think that even the anticipated and highly rumored routes like MIA-NRT and DFW-HKG would be good fits for this plane. Its way too much plane and way to premium heavy for new routes like that.

What I believe is more likely is that these planes will fly staple routes like DFW-GRU/NRT/LHR, JFK-LHR/GRU, ORD-LHR and MIA-LHR/GRU/EZE.

This will however free up more 777's for more marginal yet very popular routes like DFW-MAD/FRA and MIA-SCL/MAD. It may also be good for new route ventures like DFW-ICN or MIA-NRT (if it can make it).

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2012-05-27 11:39:50 and read 5224 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 73):
What I believe is more likely is that these planes will fly staple routes like DFW-GRU/NRT/LHR, JFK-LHR/GRU, ORD-LHR and MIA-LHR/GRU/EZE.

Should be on LAXLHR in a matter of short time. DFWGRU is only to get DFW crews some hours and familiarity with the plane. The 77Ws will probably prowl MIALHR, JFKLHR, LAXLHR, JFKGRU, MIAEZE and MIAGRU, next winter, IMO.

And AA will launch a new "flagship" route using the plane - that's a given, it's only a question of what route.

Given the huge density of traffic that will flow between two hubs like DFWHKG and MIANRT, the plane isn't too big, even if the local markets certainly do not warrant a 77W.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: LAXdude1023
Posted 2012-05-27 11:48:19 and read 5191 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 74):
Should be on LAXLHR in a matter of short time. DFWGRU is only to get DFW crews some hours and familiarity with the plane. The 77Ws will probably prowl MIALHR, JFKLHR, LAXLHR, JFKGRU, MIAEZE and MIAGRU, next winter, IMO.

I highly doubt the 77W will show up at DFW for familiarity and then disappear from the airport. Maybe not on DFW-GRU for good, but one of the DFW-LHR will certainly keep it.

I do disagree about DFW-HKG and MIA-NRT. Indeed there are two hubs on both sides, but those 77W's have way too much premium capacity and those markets dont warrant it. Those seem like excellent 787 routes.

[Edited 2012-05-27 11:55:02]

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: DFWEagle
Posted 2012-05-27 12:00:58 and read 5135 times.

I notice that DFW-EZE is getting a 772 again for the winter... and MIA-EZE gets a third flight (daylight) starting in October and operating every day, at least as far as April. Looks like EZE will be all-777 with 5x daily for the whole winter (3xMIA, 1xJFK, 1xDFW).

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2012-05-27 12:41:06 and read 5080 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 75):
I highly doubt the 77W will show up at DFW for familiarity and then disappear from the airport. Maybe not on DFW-GRU for good, but one of the DFW-LHR will certainly keep it.

The end date for the 77W on DFWGRU is already set - first week of April, IIRC. It is entirely being used on that route to familiarize crew.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: ASFlyer
Posted 2012-05-27 14:59:28 and read 4858 times.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 77):
The end date for the 77W on DFWGRU is already set - first week of April, IIRC. It is entirely being used on that route to familiarize crew.

If I read the press release correctly, the airplane will operate DFW/GRU through Feb 13. It appears another airplane will begin operating DFW-LHR on 1/31 for the forseeable future. On 2/14 one of the airplanes will begin operating JFK-LHR. Between 3/2 and 3/31 it looks like DFW will have a second DFW-LHR flight on the airplane. On 4/2 JFK-GRU will begin. SO, based on the press release, it appears that beginning on 4/2 the following will be operating on this airplane:

DFW-LHR
JFK-LHR
JFK-GRU

I could be wrong.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AAIL86
Posted 2012-05-27 15:19:34 and read 4817 times.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 75):
I do disagree about DFW-HKG and MIA-NRT. Indeed there are two hubs on both sides, but those 77W's have way too much premium capacity and those markets dont warrant it. Those seem like excellent 787 routes.

Agreed.... especially on MIA-NRT... there can't possibly be a need for 8F/52J on that route. Does anybody know offhand if the 772 can perform MIA-NRT with decent payloads?

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 78):
Between 3/2 and 3/31 it looks like DFW will have a second DFW-LHR flight on the airplane. On 4/2 JFK-GRU will begin.

Yes, that's what I gathered myself. The growth of DFW-LHR in the last five years has been nothing short of stratospheric (due to ATI, of course).

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2012-05-27 15:32:07 and read 4802 times.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 79):
Agreed.... especially on MIA-NRT... there can't possibly be a need for 8F/52J on that route. Does anybody know offhand if the 772 can perform MIA-NRT with decent payloads?

Miami-Tokyo will fill on five main traffic flows: LIMNRT, GRUNRT, MIAHKG, MCONRT and MIAMNL. The last two are junk yield markets but large; MIAHKG is a very premium-heavy market and larger than DFWHKG and one of the larger Southeast U.S.-Asia city pairs; the first two have a good mix of VFR and business traffic.

I much rather see a JAL 788, personally, but if MCONRT and MIAMNL traffic is going to be filling up Y, JAL's 788s just have too small a Y cabin.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: mogandoCI
Posted 2012-05-27 15:35:17 and read 4787 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 72):
Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com!

The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers.

Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

30 Y+ ? that's a ridiculously low count for a major oneworld route like DFW/JFK-LHR ... I can totally imagine prime flights (like the friday night one) that even plats would have to sit in Y- ... it's one thing to lower CASM on the backpacker, but it's another if the punishment extends to low-tier and mid-tier elites

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-05-27 15:43:03 and read 4765 times.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 72):
Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com!

The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers.

Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

Very interesting to see the seat map. I've noticed that some of the rows in "regular" Y feature just 2 seats on both the left and right sides of the plane (rows 30, 31 and 32) - this isn't unusual to see in the back of the plane, but in the middle of the plane, quite interesting!

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: aacun
Posted 2012-05-28 08:51:36 and read 4273 times.

The third MIA-EZE (daytime) nonstop is already loaded as of the december schedule change so we know where the first ac being replaced by the 77W is going.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: etops1
Posted 2012-05-28 10:43:12 and read 4138 times.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 66):

Funny , I posted something similar to your post but it got deleted by the Mods . But your right Spree . I wonder what it would look likein the US scheme myself.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: MAH4546
Posted 2012-05-28 11:32:23 and read 4087 times.

Quoting aacun (Reply 83):

The third MIA-EZE (daytime) nonstop is already loaded as of the december schedule change so we know where the first ac being replaced by the 77W is going.


Third MIAEZE is a daylight that uses an aircraft otherwise parked all day.

Topic: RE: AA Has Announced Its' Initial 777-300ER Schedule
Username: AA767400
Posted 2012-05-28 15:26:46 and read 3853 times.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 80):
30 Y+ ? that's a ridiculously low count for a major oneworld route like DFW/JFK-LHR ... I can totally imagine prime flights (like the friday night one) that even plats would have to sit in Y- ... it's one thing to lower CASM on the backpacker, but it's another if the punishment extends to low-tier and mid-tier elites

Now I feel like you're just nit picking. Do you have anything positive to ever say?

The final configuration sounds about right for a 4 class aircraft.


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