http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americ...nces-initial-boeing-160000249.html

Not exactly what many were hoping for, but not surprising either. Initial routes are DFW and JFK to LHR and GRU. What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Those routes may make the most sense, for maximizing PROFIT!

more frequencies on other Latin routes?

OR maybe sliding a few into more domestic service..MIA-DFW-LAX ?

or freeing up and moving around the 763's and retire a 762 or 2?? (just a thought)

What about ORD? I'm disappointed.

some interesting tidbits from the article,

apparently they are introducing international WiFi

a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

and introduction of Main Cabin Extra- adds 6 inches of leg room
Main cabin extra link

http://www.aa.com/i18n/urls/mainCabi...ion=DirectURL&title=maincabinextra

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

More Brazil!

I must ask... will AA's new 77W sport their current livery? Because that AA livery would look stunning on that Triple 7 stretch....

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 2): What about ORD? I'm disappointed.

ORD seems to be getting less emphasis from AA in general.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

BER   you can hope  

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

Well, bear in mind that the 777-300ERs are being deployed on routes where there is a demand for F, and likely those F passengers will value this type of service. Meanwhile, the 772s are being re-configured to include J-only premium seats, hence adding back in a few extra seats for higher revenue.

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): and introduction of Main Cabin Extra- adds 6 inches of leg room Main cabin extra link

Another thing that AA will find is a revenue generator. It's just following the trends with airlines such as UA, DL, BA, etc. all of which have found that there is demand for a premium economy class.

Old news, this has been known for a while now.

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 5): I must ask... will AA's new 77W sport their current livery? Because that AA livery would look stunning on that Triple 7 stretch....

Most likely. The first 77W is due on property at the end of this year so if they were planning a new livery, they don't have much time to work with.

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters.

What is the deal with the interor decor? Are these patterns going to be extended to the domestic fleet as well?

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

More China routes ... just a guess.

Quoting brons2 (Reply 6): ORD seems to be getting less emphasis from AA in general.

Perhaps the writing is on the wall ... maybe AA will shrink ORD after all. (Okay, I know this statement is ridiculous, but I just needed to vent).

Filler .... filler ... filler

[Edited 2012-05-23 11:06:11]

It surprises me that DFW-GRU is only scheduled for 2 months, and then replaced by DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR/GRU. Is DFW-GRU a "test" then?

DFW-GRU: 13DEC2012 - 13FEB2013 (AA963/AA962)
DFW-LHR: From 31JAN2012 (AA50/AA79 through FEB13, then AA50/AA51)
JFK-LHR: From 14FEB2013 (AA100/AA101)
JFK-GRU: From 02APR2013 (AA951/AA950)
DFW-LHR (2n flight): 02MAR2013 - 31MAR2013 (AA78/AA79)

Quoting web500sjc (Reply 3): a walk up Bar (thought the point of a bigger aircraft was to fit more seats-not provide a space wasting luxury)

That walk-up bar may make the difference for the premium customer who has a choice of airlines. That customer may choose AA over airlines such as UA or DL, or others who do not have the bar.

Quoting realsim (Reply 14): It surprises me that DFW-GRU is only scheduled for 2 months, and then replaced by DFW-LHR and JFK-LHR/GRU. Is DFW-GRU a "test" then?

My educated guess is that it is just seasonal adjustments.

Quoting incitatus (Reply 4): More Brazil!

Can we possibly see CNF with a 777?  

This all sounds wonderful but what about the untouched markets in the Far-East like Seoul or Bangkok?? Im guessing they fly to NRT but not places like BOM, DEL.   

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 17): Im guessing they fly to NRT but not places like BOM, DEL.

They pulled off their ORD-DEL daily service a few months back, I don't suppose AA will return any time soon....

Quoting TWA85 (Thread starter): What do you all think AA will do with the freed up 777-200's?

Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?

Re-start KIX?
Up-grd #945/DFW or #957/MIA to SCL

Quoting JOYA380B747 (Reply 18): I don't suppose AA will return any time soon....

The historical financial performance of the route and its future outlook given the global economic climate and high oil prices has resulted in a decision by American to cancel its New Delhi (DEL) - Chicago O'Hare (ORD) service. Don't see them restarting as they have co-shares for the flight.

[Edited 2012-05-23 11:38:20]

DFW-LHR, JFK to LHR and GRU, why do these destinations not surprise us for the 77W.

Quoting boeingfever777 (Reply 19): Do they have a/c (777-200ER's) set aside for starting HND on the 1st?

Yes, I'm guessing they will be using the 77E that they are pulling off of the JFK-NRT route.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 47): Well said. For someone buying a Y ticket DFW-LHR, why wouldn't I just go on BA or AA's other flights (767, 772) and get a normal width Y seat, instead of being stuffed in EK style?

Because unlike us, Anutters, 99% of the flying public has no idea that there's a more comfortable 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) configuration on the B777

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 64): AA has an MOU for 789s (42+58 options), not the 788.

Thanks qqflyboy for the clarification. I knew that. I believe I was thinking of the JL 788s. At the same time, I don't think it would hurt AA to buy/lease some 788s for their longer, thinner routes.

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 57): Actually, PA sold the pacific division to UA in 1985, well before their bankruptcy. Incidentally, they had offered that network piece to AA beforehand, but were turned down

Not according to the book Hard Landing, which says that Crandall was jealous and outraged to learn that United was buying Pan Am's Pacfiic division and that he never had the opportunity to bid on it. Pan Am found Crandall difficult on a previous airplane swap and apparently did not want to deal with him again.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 9): Well, they'll start reconfiguring them with Y-(3-4-3), Y+, and the deletion of F, for starters

Quoting aacun (Reply 28): American's entire fleet of 777-200ERs will be redesigned to a two-class cabin configuration to better match capacity and demand

Quoting liftsifter (Reply 29): Love the vagueness about weather Main Cabin is 3-3-3 or 2-5-2... NOT.

So what is it, 3-3-3 or 2-5-2?

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 31): sadly.... neither. it's virtually confirmed at 3-4-3 (see facebook AA page, flyer talk, twitter etc)

Virtually confirmed?

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 32): Ten abreast in Economy is not going to compare well with partner BA. Why would I ever pay my own money to fly like that?

I wouldn't, and I always use my "own money".

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 34): because AA loves their elites so much that they need to take something away from the kettles in order to reward their frequent flyers ... kinda like reverse robin hood

I've never actually felt "loved" by those guys but I do fly them...I like their destinations.

So what's it going to be in Y, 2-5-2 or 3-4-3 ? Who knows??
Thanks,   
Cary

Just to confirm for those who are still are confused on the 9 or 10 abreast in economy, here's official word from a journalist's query to AA:

http://travel.usatoday.com/alliance/...777s/691710/1?loc=interstitialskip

10 abreast on both the 772 and 773. Y+ though will be 3-3-3 for 9 abreast.

[Edited 2012-05-26 09:02:01]

Quoting Concordski (Reply 71): 10 abreast on both the 772 and 773. Y+ though will be 3-3-3 for 9 abreast.

With the AA/BA revenue-sharing joint venture on transatlantic routes, why would anyone choose a cramped AA 10-abreast 77 when you can travel in much more comfort on a BA 777 with one less seat abreast and booked with an AA flight number? 10-abreast on BA 744s, still heavily used on U.S.-Europe routes, are also much better than 10-abreast on a 777.

Doesn't say much for "seamless" alliance standards of service.

Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com!

The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers.

Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

Looking at the configuration, I cant imagine what new routes AA would fly with this. I dont think that even the anticipated and highly rumored routes like MIA-NRT and DFW-HKG would be good fits for this plane. Its way too much plane and way to premium heavy for new routes like that.

What I believe is more likely is that these planes will fly staple routes like DFW-GRU/NRT/LHR, JFK-LHR/GRU, ORD-LHR and MIA-LHR/GRU/EZE.

This will however free up more 777's for more marginal yet very popular routes like DFW-MAD/FRA and MIA-SCL/MAD. It may also be good for new route ventures like DFW-ICN or MIA-NRT (if it can make it).

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 73): What I believe is more likely is that these planes will fly staple routes like DFW-GRU/NRT/LHR, JFK-LHR/GRU, ORD-LHR and MIA-LHR/GRU/EZE.

Should be on LAXLHR in a matter of short time. DFWGRU is only to get DFW crews some hours and familiarity with the plane. The 77Ws will probably prowl MIALHR, JFKLHR, LAXLHR, JFKGRU, MIAEZE and MIAGRU, next winter, IMO.

And AA will launch a new "flagship" route using the plane - that's a given, it's only a question of what route.

Given the huge density of traffic that will flow between two hubs like DFWHKG and MIANRT, the plane isn't too big, even if the local markets certainly do not warrant a 77W.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 74): Should be on LAXLHR in a matter of short time. DFWGRU is only to get DFW crews some hours and familiarity with the plane. The 77Ws will probably prowl MIALHR, JFKLHR, LAXLHR, JFKGRU, MIAEZE and MIAGRU, next winter, IMO.

I highly doubt the 77W will show up at DFW for familiarity and then disappear from the airport. Maybe not on DFW-GRU for good, but one of the DFW-LHR will certainly keep it.

I do disagree about DFW-HKG and MIA-NRT. Indeed there are two hubs on both sides, but those 77W's have way too much premium capacity and those markets dont warrant it. Those seem like excellent 787 routes.

[Edited 2012-05-27 11:55:02]

I notice that DFW-EZE is getting a 772 again for the winter... and MIA-EZE gets a third flight (daylight) starting in October and operating every day, at least as far as April. Looks like EZE will be all-777 with 5x daily for the whole winter (3xMIA, 1xJFK, 1xDFW).

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 75): I highly doubt the 77W will show up at DFW for familiarity and then disappear from the airport. Maybe not on DFW-GRU for good, but one of the DFW-LHR will certainly keep it.

The end date for the 77W on DFWGRU is already set - first week of April, IIRC. It is entirely being used on that route to familiarize crew.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 77): The end date for the 77W on DFWGRU is already set - first week of April, IIRC. It is entirely being used on that route to familiarize crew.

If I read the press release correctly, the airplane will operate DFW/GRU through Feb 13. It appears another airplane will begin operating DFW-LHR on 1/31 for the forseeable future. On 2/14 one of the airplanes will begin operating JFK-LHR. Between 3/2 and 3/31 it looks like DFW will have a second DFW-LHR flight on the airplane. On 4/2 JFK-GRU will begin. SO, based on the press release, it appears that beginning on 4/2 the following will be operating on this airplane:

DFW-LHR
JFK-LHR
JFK-GRU

I could be wrong.

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 75): I do disagree about DFW-HKG and MIA-NRT. Indeed there are two hubs on both sides, but those 77W's have way too much premium capacity and those markets dont warrant it. Those seem like excellent 787 routes.

Agreed.... especially on MIA-NRT... there can't possibly be a need for 8F/52J on that route. Does anybody know offhand if the 772 can perform MIA-NRT with decent payloads?

Quoting ASFlyer (Reply 78): Between 3/2 and 3/31 it looks like DFW will have a second DFW-LHR flight on the airplane. On 4/2 JFK-GRU will begin.

Yes, that's what I gathered myself. The growth of DFW-LHR in the last five years has been nothing short of stratospheric (due to ATI, of course).

Quoting AAIL86 (Reply 79): Agreed.... especially on MIA-NRT... there can't possibly be a need for 8F/52J on that route. Does anybody know offhand if the 772 can perform MIA-NRT with decent payloads?

Miami-Tokyo will fill on five main traffic flows: LIMNRT, GRUNRT, MIAHKG, MCONRT and MIAMNL. The last two are junk yield markets but large; MIAHKG is a very premium-heavy market and larger than DFWHKG and one of the larger Southeast U.S.-Asia city pairs; the first two have a good mix of VFR and business traffic.

I much rather see a JAL 788, personally, but if MCONRT and MIAMNL traffic is going to be filling up Y, JAL's 788s just have too small a Y cabin.

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 72): Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com! The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers. Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

30 Y+ ? that's a ridiculously low count for a major oneworld route like DFW/JFK-LHR ... I can totally imagine prime flights (like the friday night one) that even plats would have to sit in Y- ... it's one thing to lower CASM on the backpacker, but it's another if the punishment extends to low-tier and mid-tier elites

Quoting DFWEagle (Reply 72): Well, the 77W flights are now available for booking on AA.com! The 77W seat maps are also available to view in the booking system. By my count, the seating plan is indeed 8F, 52J, 30Y+, 220Y, for a total of 310 passengers. Configuration is 3:3:3: in Y+ and 3:4:3 in Y.

Very interesting to see the seat map. I've noticed that some of the rows in "regular" Y feature just 2 seats on both the left and right sides of the plane (rows 30, 31 and 32) - this isn't unusual to see in the back of the plane, but in the middle of the plane, quite interesting!

The third MIA-EZE (daytime) nonstop is already loaded as of the december schedule change so we know where the first ac being replaced by the 77W is going.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 66):

Funny , I posted something similar to your post but it got deleted by the Mods . But your right Spree . I wonder what it would look likein the US scheme myself.

Quoting aacun (Reply 83): The third MIA-EZE (daytime) nonstop is already loaded as of the december schedule change so we know where the first ac being replaced by the 77W is going.

Third MIAEZE is a daylight that uses an aircraft otherwise parked all day.

Quoting mogandoCI (Reply 80): 30 Y+ ? that's a ridiculously low count for a major oneworld route like DFW/JFK-LHR ... I can totally imagine prime flights (like the friday night one) that even plats would have to sit in Y- ... it's one thing to lower CASM on the backpacker, but it's another if the punishment extends to low-tier and mid-tier elites

Now I feel like you're just nit picking. Do you have anything positive to ever say?

The final configuration sounds about right for a 4 class aircraft.