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Topic: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: jayeshrulz
Posted 2012-05-28 05:16:47 and read 12494 times.

Ive heard this from one of my friends, who regularly flies EK BOM-DXB-BOM route, that very recently his EK flight had got severely delayed at DXB (He was waiting in BOM for arrival) due to tech errors. The delay was 5 hours plus and yet no signs of arrival. Finally when they came in, there were two EK 77L arrivals back to back.
The first flight was for picking them up, and the other was the routine flight which was also full.
When he boarded, he spoke to the crew members. They said the first flight (on which he was there) was re-directed from SYD to pick up passengers at BOM since the flight was not full, and the other arrival (which was on time) flew in the cockpit crew which would fly the Sydney re-directed flight from BOM to DXB since the other crew was out of hours. The original crew then flew like passengers.

Now, can this happen? As far as i know, an airline may not have the authority to do this. But given EK and their presence in Indian markets, i do see this as a possibility.
Your thoughts?

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-05-28 09:51:17 and read 11726 times.

I don't think this would be affected by the bilateral; basically, all EK was doing was diverting one of its flights to pick up pax and carry them on to DXB, which is has the right to do; now, if EK were to have dropped pax off at BOM, that would be a different issue altogether, but a simple pick-up is no problem.

Mind you, I can't think that the pax originating in SYD were too happy to divert to BOM; many probably had onward connections from DXB which were messed up by this!

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: leftyboarder
Posted 2012-05-28 10:30:54 and read 11577 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Mind you, I can't think that the pax originating in SYD were too happy to divert to BOM; many probably had onward connections from DXB which were messed up by this!

In fact the detour only adds 23nm according to GCM, but given the extra time to land, take off plus the time to enplane and load luggage, it probably was an annoyance regardless. I sure would be pissed.

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2012-05-28 10:34:50 and read 11554 times.

Either I'm not understanding the OP, or something's missing.

If the scheduled BOM aircraft makes it in at around the same time at the diverted SYD-DXB flight, then surely the SYD flight didn't land just to pick up passengers and crew. The passengers could have gotten on the original aircraft, and the SYD flight could have continued on to DXB non-stop without the need of a fresh crew.

The diversion must have been for a reason other than to pick up passengers, unless the DXB-BOM aircraft was a swap with a much smaller capacity and a large number of passengers would have been left behind...

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-05-28 10:48:10 and read 11451 times.

Airlines redirect flight everyday, is more common that we think, the problem can be connecting pax beyond DXB.

Actually it could have been also with any flight coming from DEL, DAC, CCU or even to DXB for example and no problem at all.

EK must be having very high load factors because with so many BOM flighs a day and they can´t rebook all the pax in them...

Actually the SYD diversion it´s a little bit weird because of the change of crew.

There´re a few example of re-routing in the atlantic to get pax on previously diverted planes for tech issues, sometimes sending a stby plane is soooo expensive and maybe you can accomodate if loads are not that high.

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: kl911
Posted 2012-05-28 10:49:41 and read 11451 times.

Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
and the other was the routine flight which was also full.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
The passengers could have gotten on the original aircraft

The plane was full, thats why the SYD flight came to the rescue. That fflight was not full at all.

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: FN1001
Posted 2012-05-28 13:16:30 and read 10732 times.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 1):
Mind you, I can't think that the pax originating in SYD were too happy to divert to BOM; many probably had onward connections from DXB which were messed up by this!

Whenever I look for a connection between Europe and Oz and back, I struggle over EK with tempting good fares but infinite long stopover in DXB at crazy times. Maybe EK wanted to keep the passengers in the air instead of keeping them in the terminals.

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: DTWLAX
Posted 2012-05-28 14:00:07 and read 9955 times.

Quoting kl911 (Reply 5):
Quoting jayeshrulz (Thread starter):
and the other was the routine flight which was also full.
Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
The passengers could have gotten on the original aircraft

The plane was full, thats why the SYD flight came to the rescue. That fflight was not full at all.

Wait a minute... all the passengers stranded at BOM were booked on the delayed flight back to DXB. How can that flight be full and have no space for the stranded passengers?

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-05-29 00:47:21 and read 5189 times.

I doubt this very much:

1. EK415 (the only nonstop 777 between SYD and DXB) hasn't been operated by a 77L since the flight was reinstated last October (even as a sub). The timings also mean that the earliest it could be at BOM is just before midday, and by then EK505 from BOM would be boarded and left (if it was on time...)

2. EK419 (via BKK) would be passing BOM at about 4am so is out of the picture.

3. The EK Source isn't showing any diversions via BOM on either flight, and this is the sort of thing they would pick up.

4. It sounds like an operational nightmare.

5. It still doesn't fix most of the problem -- even if the flight from SYD had 100 seats free, they're still dealing with 200 pax would would be left behind. Another aircraft is going to have to be sent out for them, so it seems a lot easier to just have all 300 people waiting for a flight together.

Topic: RE: EK SYD Flight Re-Directed To BOM To Pick Up Pax?
Username: jayeshrulz
Posted 2012-05-31 05:38:13 and read 2578 times.

Thanks for clarifying. So that means, it can happen. An airline CAN reroute planes to pick up other stranded passengers. Right?

Quoting migair54 (Reply 4):
Actually the SYD diversion it´s a little bit weird because of the change of crew.

There´re a few example of re-routing in the atlantic to get pax on previously diverted planes for tech issues, sometimes sending a stby plane is soooo expensive and maybe you can accomodate if loads are not that high.

The crew must have got expired of their hours by the time they reached DXB. EK must have planned well and sent the other crew to take the flight beyond Mumbai.

Quoting DTWLAX (Reply 7):
Wait a minute... all the passengers stranded at BOM were booked on the delayed flight back to DXB. How can that flight be full and have no space for the stranded passengers?

That flight never arrived. The Flight that came from Dubai was carrying the earlier passengers from DXB as well as the pax which might have been scheduled to fly on that flight.
I wasn't in the situation and don't want to shoot in the dark about that must have happened.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
1. EK415 (the only nonstop 777 between SYD and DXB) hasn't been operated by a 77L since the flight was reinstated last October (even as a sub). The timings also mean that the earliest it could be at BOM is just before midday, and by then EK505 from BOM would be boarded and left (if it was on time...)

How can you be so sure that it might not have been operated by 77L?

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
2. EK419 (via BKK) would be passing BOM at about 4am so is out of the picture.

3. The EK Source isn't showing any diversions via BOM on either flight, and this is the sort of thing they would pick up.

4. It sounds like an operational nightmare.

You might be quite right on that pal. As i said, i wasn't involved in that situation and dint realize to ask him all the details. It was just a quick topic that came up while I and my friend were spotting. It struck me later to ask. But that guy is back in DXB now.

So on the whole, airlines can re-route the flights to destinations apart from the original to help other passengers. Correct?


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