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Topic: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: klwright69
Posted 2012-05-30 11:58:30 and read 8763 times.

UA's new IAH-LOS is currently 5x a week. It goes daily this summer. It reverts to 5x weekly in the fall, then back to daily for Christmas.

However what's new is that the route STAYS daily in 2013, assuming the website timetable is accurate.

From a casual observer it appears the route is finally catching on. This in contrast to the other proposed new longhaul route from IAH, that seems to be a nonstarter.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-05-30 12:04:50 and read 8718 times.

No, they are going to cancel it now that Southwest is going to fly to Cancun from Houston Hobby. They can't make LOS work anymore...just kidding.

I presume by next year the 787 will be on the route as planned?

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: IAHFLYR
Posted 2012-05-30 12:08:11 and read 8672 times.

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
From a casual observer it appears the route is finally catching on. This in contrast to the other proposed new longhaul route from IAH, that seems to be a nonstarter.



You wouldn't be referring to the IAH-AKL flight that is waiting to start when the B788 arrives and gets a few months of domestic service, would you? Wow!

That new IAH-LOS flight has been operating for some time, like since November so I would not say exactly a "new flight"!

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: dbo861
Posted 2012-05-30 12:16:22 and read 8588 times.

Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
That new IAH-LOS flight has been operating for some time, like since November so I would not say exactly a "new flight"!

That's 6 months. It takes time for some of these international routes to catch on. I'd still call it new.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-05-30 12:28:53 and read 8514 times.

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 1):
No, they are going to cancel it now that Southwest is going to fly to Cancun from Houston Hobby. They can't make LOS work anymore...just kidding.

I presume by next year the 787 will be on the route as planned?

HAHAHAH. Thank you for making my day  

In all seriousness, though, I wonder what UA will do with the 787 "rotation" between IAHLOS and IAHAKL considering the latter has been threatened to get canned with all this drama  
Quoting IAHFLYR (Reply 2):
You wouldn't be referring to the IAH-AKL flight that is waiting to start when the B788 arrives and gets a few months of domestic service, would you?

No, see UA's latest strategy is to doll out favorites to DEN as a punishment to IAH. Maybe they'll use the 788 to re-launch DENLHR.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-05-30 13:39:37 and read 8175 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 4):
UA's latest strategy is to doll out favorites to DEN as a punishment to IAH.

When I came through IAH Monday afternoon (flying SNA-IAH-DCA)
it looked as though IAH was earning its board and keep.

So . . . what is it being "punished" for ?  

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-05-30 13:42:08 and read 8154 times.

The latter isn't getting canned because of the drama. The latter is getting canned because its a stupid route.

I bet a dollar in another thread that IAH-AKL will not be in the first 10 788 routes.

NS

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: United787
Posted 2012-05-30 13:44:20 and read 8137 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 6):
I bet a dollar in another thread that IAH-AKL will not be in the first 10 788 routes.

Want to bet a double or nothing in this thread?

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-05-30 13:54:17 and read 8037 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
When I came through IAH Monday afternoon (flying SNA-IAH-DCA)
it looked as though IAH was earning its board and keep.

So . . . what is it being "punished" for ?  

Though I have yet to find an official source, UA has threatened to cut jobs and capacity at IAH, as well as curb refurbishment efforts on terminal B, as a result of the allowance of FIS facilities at HOU.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-05-30 14:01:57 and read 7989 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 7):
Want to bet a double or nothing in this thread?

Hey now what can you do with $2 that you can't do with $1? Hmm?

NS

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: skytony
Posted 2012-05-30 14:16:34 and read 7901 times.

United will not be flying IAH-AKL anymore.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: Sulley
Posted 2012-05-30 14:18:10 and read 7885 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
Though I have yet to find an official source, UA has threatened to cut jobs and capacity at IAH, as well as curb refurbishment efforts on terminal B, as a result of the allowance of FIS facilities at HOU.

It's official on FlyingTogether...

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-05-30 16:33:05 and read 7457 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
as well as curb refurbishment efforts on terminal B,

Noooooooooooooooooo !   

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: FlyingSicilian
Posted 2012-05-30 16:42:26 and read 7400 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
as well as curb refurbishment efforts on terminal B,

Yep, makes sense, lets make pax continue to use a ~40 year old terminal that smells like a Motel 6 in cajun country after a hurricane.
That will show Southwest!!!!!!!!!!!! and keep the pax loyal!

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-05-30 16:47:25 and read 7365 times.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 8):
as well as curb refurbishment efforts on terminal B,
Quoting Sulley (Reply 11):
It's official on FlyingTogether...

Okay, a couple weeks ago I flew PSP-IAH-IAD -- and only saw the inside of terminal B. Forget the part about flying nearly 2500 miles on a couple of CR7s. But as cramped and obsolete as terminal B is, UA might as well sell the store.

There comes a point when you're actually telling your passengers to go to h*** instead of doing competitive business practice.

[Edited 2012-05-30 16:50:47]

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-05-30 17:09:28 and read 7261 times.

Quoting skytony (Reply 10):
United will not be flying IAH-AKL anymore.

DId I miss something? DId they can the proposed IAH-AKL?

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Okay, a couple weeks ago I flew PSP-IAH-IAD -- and only saw the inside of terminal B.

But to be fair E is very nice.

I would say A and B at DFW are pretty crappy....ditto for some parts of ATL.....all airports have their "charm"

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-05-30 17:16:27 and read 7211 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
DId I miss something? DId they can the proposed IAH-AKL?

Yea...
I think it was in an internal employee email - don't think it has officially broken cover yet.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: thomasphoto60
Posted 2012-05-30 17:18:46 and read 7187 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
DId I miss something? DId they can the proposed IAH-AKL?

Not officially......yet, but I suspect it's a matter of time, perhaps hours. One of their spokespersons was strongly suggesting to the local media after the city council vote that AKL is not going to happen, again, nothing official.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: gigneil
Posted 2012-05-30 17:20:25 and read 7160 times.

This is actually a blessing in disguise.

Houston is a horrible connecting point for a good fraction of US traffic. Deprecating it for that and focusing on what Houston can actually deliver from an O/D perspective (as well as the clear benefits of connections to Mexico and South) is in the best interests of United's passengers.

United has a lot of great hubs. They should use them, and not have illusions about what may have been best for them in the past.

That being said, clearly this whole HOU international flying thing is nothing more than an excuse and the impact to United's business is that Southwest can now compete.

NS

[Edited 2012-05-30 17:23:46]

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-05-30 17:42:49 and read 6922 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 18):
That being said, clearly this whole HOU international flying thing is nothing more than an excuse and the impact to United's business is that Southwest can now compete.

Yea, its in extremely poor taste for UA to further alienate loyal passengers and mask beancounter moves in a pissing match that they can't win against the City of Houston. Houstonians have already begun voting with their wallets...

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-05-30 18:01:02 and read 6734 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 19):
Yea, its in extremely poor taste for UA to further alienate loyal passengers and mask beancounter moves in a pissing match that they can't win against the City of Houston. Houstonians have already begun voting with their wallets...

The shift from UA is happening right now at IAH.....the AA, DL etc counters seems a lot more busy lately....and I am hearing a lot of "I hate UA" now from my Houston friends.....

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-05-30 18:18:09 and read 6560 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 15):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 14):
Okay, a couple weeks ago I flew PSP-IAH-IAD -- and only saw the inside of terminal B.

But to be fair E is very nice.

To be absolutely honest, I was in 1-D  

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: termbewr
Posted 2012-05-30 18:36:05 and read 6372 times.

A lot of the "I hate UA" banter is just nonsense. Several friends and family members have flown UA recently and all complained "it's not the same since CO/UA merged" The flights they have taken were all CO aircraft and crews and nothing was different whatsoever. One of my family members recently blamed a flight cancellation on the UA merger. Yes, the fact that EWR was below minimums and the plane arrived hours late and the crew was out of duty was due to the merger. My neighbor lamented that "5 years ago she flew EWR - CDG on CO the planes were larger." She is insisting that due to the merger, she was forced to fly a 757 to CDG from EWR instead of a 777. Please note that she was all too happy to use her mileage for the free flight and commented how nice the flight home was (on the 757).

Maybe I'm not the norm but I look at the big picture. This merger is giving me more flight choices than existed before. For the first time in 15 years, I used Denver as a connecting point when flying west and liked it. It provided me with a more efficient schedule than previously available via IAH. If I want to fly to SFO, I have the choice of using EWR or JFK with several nonstops. On my recent GVA - EWR flight, I was delighted to be seated in the large econmy plus cabin of the 767-400er that didn't exist prior to the merger. People love to complain. Sadly, its human nature. You rarely hear the good but the negative comments can be heard half way around the world.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-05-30 18:46:30 and read 6268 times.

Quoting termbewr (Reply 22):

Lol, whatever man, I have traveled almost exclusively on UA/CO for the past 15 years and I can tell the difference and deterioration in the airline from both pmUA and pmCO.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: JetBlueAUS
Posted 2012-05-30 18:55:19 and read 6197 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 20):
he shift from UA is happening right now at IAH.....the AA, DL etc counters seems a lot more busy lately....and I am hearing a lot of "I hate UA" now from my Houston friends.....

It is upsetting they are threatening to cut routes and jobs as a result of the FIS facility at HOU being approved. They already shipped their Houston-based employees at HDQ and moved them up to Chicago! If United wants to play the game then so be it. I used to be nothing but loyal to Continental especially the past couple of years, but I am now a proud DL flier.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: termbewr
Posted 2012-05-30 19:21:24 and read 6197 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 23):

It's not the same world it was 15 years ago. JetBlue didn't exist, Southwest wasn't flying to Boston, New York and Philadelphia at 50% of the normal airfare, there were less nonstops to Europe and Asia, Emirates wasn't dumping low fare capacity into the USA etc.

Airlines needed to change. Unfortunately, the traveling public is partially to blame. The passengers all jumped at the rock bottom fares that make sustaining a profitable business unrealistic and then continued to demand it. I'm dealing with the same dynamic in my business. A few low cost operators popped up offering unsustainable fares and tainted the entire industry. They have since gone out of business (shocking as that may seem) but the customers expect that absurdity to continue. The problem compounds as passengers become upset when they don't receive the same amenties they previously did. Yet, they feel that a $99.00 New York to Ft. Lauderdale airfare should provide them with a brand new aircraft, free meal, roomy seating, free checked bags, complimentary cocktails, Video on Demand, access to a 1st class lounge and a robust frequent flyer program allowing them to fly around the world. We reap what we sow. If we pay what the transportation is actually worth, we would receive the appropriate service.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: coopdogyo
Posted 2012-05-30 21:11:08 and read 5431 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 9):

Hey now what can you do with $2 that you can't do with $1? Hmm?

Get two items from the dollar menu instead of one

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: IrishAyes
Posted 2012-05-30 21:37:35 and read 5392 times.

Quoting termbewr (Reply 25):
If we pay what the transportation is actually worth, we would receive the appropriate service.

Well, sorry man, but I don't buy your argument in 100% entirety.

Nobody is complaining about the fact that the merger has occurred in the midst of changing times. Ever since 9/11, we've all become accustomed to contending with the "reductions" in onboard services.

While UA has and continues to do a good job getting people from point A to point B safely, it has failed in other aspects, and one of them has been delivering upon its promises.

One major aspect of those "promises" was guaranteeing a "merger of equals," which has been anything but that. Everything from the smooth operability of the IT platforms to the elite perks to the corporate cultures of both companies have represented a merger of least common denominators. It would have been fine if Smisek and his team had promised that, but they didn't.

As a UA elite flier myself, I've paid my fair share to earn my elite status, and have expected VERY basic standards of service in return, one of which being complete transparency on fees, policies, etc. post-merger. Sadly, none of that information has been consistent across the board and the story continues to change.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-05-31 05:45:59 and read 4092 times.

Exactly, termbewr, you are trying to clearcoat over a mess with the broad statement that its human nature to complain and what not. Most of us are saavy enough to understand what is going on. As informed consumers we know what is right, wrong, and what is bull$h3!. I have seen the deterioration in United and I used to fly both UA and CO happily. For the first time in 15 years I have begun to actively book away from them...if any of you knew me like my friends do then you all would know what a powerful statement that is. I was such a CO AND UA fanboy before the merger that I might as well been handing out pamplets at the airport.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-05-31 06:07:13 and read 3973 times.

Quoting drerx7 (Reply 23):
I have traveled almost exclusively on UA/CO for the past 15 years and I can tell the difference and deterioration in the airline from both pmUA and pmCO.

Yeah, so have I. I'm a pretty flexible guy and even fly WN occasionally (even though I'm a UA 1K). But since March 3rd, service has been all over the map. I don't see deterioration (UA planes have *never* been so clean). But, I do see lack of consistency in the soft product. I've been on sCO planes that ran out of first-class breakfast, luncheon, or dinner entrees. And I've been on sUA planes that were so overstocked with first-class entrees that they became crew meals. I've also been on both airlines where the miniature spirits bottles never made it on the plane.

I take this to mean no one is in charge of soft-product quality control company-wide.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: United787
Posted 2012-05-31 07:02:41 and read 3700 times.

Quoting gigneil (Reply 9):

Hey now what can you do with $2 that you can't do with $1? Hmm?

Looks like I may need to pay up... pay pal?

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: drerx7
Posted 2012-05-31 07:44:20 and read 3477 times.

Yep, I should clarify - I mean soft product as well, the conditions of the aircraft is spot on.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: Sulley
Posted 2012-05-31 07:56:30 and read 3437 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 29):
Yeah, so have I. I'm a pretty flexible guy and even fly WN occasionally (even though I'm a UA 1K). But since March 3rd, service has been all over the map. I don't see deterioration (UA planes have *never* been so clean). But, I do see lack of consistency in the soft product. I've been on sCO planes that ran out of first-class breakfast, luncheon, or dinner entrees. And I've been on sUA planes that were so overstocked with first-class entrees that they became crew meals. I've also been on both airlines where the miniature spirits bottles never made it on the plane.

I take this to mean no one is in charge of soft-product quality control company-wide.

This.

I agree with you totally -- even when traveling as a non-rev, it's embarrassing. I was lucky enough to be cleared into F on a flight into DCA over the weekend and was shocked that none of the china matched and that what little food there was wasn't even edible.

Even our wonderful Hawaii BusinessFirst service is gone.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: BC77008
Posted 2012-05-31 11:16:05 and read 2661 times.

Quoting Sulley (Reply 32):
I agree with you totally -- even when traveling as a non-rev, it's embarrassing. I was lucky enough to be cleared into F on a flight into DCA over the weekend and was shocked that none of the china matched and that what little food there was wasn't even edible.

Their catering is so all over the map now due to the routings of the aircraft. For example, a 737-900 can go from Houston to Boston (a legacy CO route that is catered by CO in Houston) then on to Chicago to Los Angeles (a legacy UA route catered by UA in Chicago). Unfortunately the new UA has not moved to a single catering platform or aligned operation so depending on which hub you hit, the catering is done completely different.

Topic: RE: UA's IAH-LOS
Username: SA7700
Posted 2012-06-01 04:34:30 and read 2097 times.

This thread will be locked as unfortunately it has been hijacked by select individuals discussing everything but the original topic at hand. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes only.


Regards

SA7700


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