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Topic: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-06-19 06:52:59 and read 28487 times.

Welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 62. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* New start-up Airline searching for J31/32 flight crew for Brisbane, Melbourne & Sydney basings
* Fog diversions at Brisbane Airport
* Qantas Sky Interior 737-800s
* Charter Airline JetGo receives its AOC
* VH-OJB departs the Qantas fleet for good
* Virgin Australia releases images of its new A330 cabins, including flat beds in Business Class
* Qantas A380 and 747-400 reconfigurations
* Emirates considering Adelaide
* QantasLink introduces F100 on Brisbane-Emerald services
* Air New Zealand announces it is upgrading AKL-PER services to 772 equipment from September
* Virgin Australia announces extra Australia-Queenstown services for the Winter 2012 season
* Qantas and Virgin Australia launch a domestic Business Class sale
* Air Austral confirms it is suspending Sydney and Noumea services from October 2012
* Virgin Australia announces it will commence services from Brisbane to Mount Isa in AUG
* Sunshine Coast Airport expansion
* Qantas closing Tullamarine (Melbourne) heavy maintenance facility
* Qantas and Jetstar A330s
* Virgin Australia increases flights to Gladstone and QantasLink bases a second 717 in Brisbane
* Qantas and Johannesburg
* Jetstar crewing
* Heavylift 737-400F heads to Melbourne
* Etihad takes a stake in Virgin Australia
* Qantas splits operations in to a Domestic and International Airline with separate CEOs
* Qantas shares fall dramatically amid rumours of a takeover and profit decline
* HSR
* China Southern reportedly to add Cairns to network from November 2012
* Scoot commences services to Sydney and the Gold Coast, discussion about L/Fs
* JQ reportedly commencing nonstop services from Cairns to Singapore later in 2012

Australian Aviation Thread # 61

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-06-19 07:00:05 and read 28576 times.

* Qantas has quietly dropped its once-weekly 737-800 service from Sydney to Newman. It has been reported that the reason for the flights being pulled is due to extremely poor forward bookings
* QantasLink will commence 1x weekly 717-200 services from Brisbane to Cairns (nonstop) from July 2012. These services will allow QantasLink to rotate 717-200 aircraft through both ports
* Virgin Australia's newest A330-200 VH-XFE touched down in Melbourne tonight, after operating a NONSTOP service from Toulouse, France. Flight time was reportedly 20.5 hours! With the addition of VH-XFE, the number of A330s in the Virgin Australia fleet now stands at 5

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-06-19 07:24:42 and read 28526 times.

^^ Odd that QF have dropped Newman with so much talk of expanding east coast - WA mining town connections. Add to that the talk of how lucrative the market is meant to be.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-06-19 14:17:10 and read 28345 times.

Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

EFF 27 Nov.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhqpa
Posted 2012-06-19 14:56:08 and read 28301 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):

I didn't see this coming. I hope it lasts.

HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

Press Release

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2012-06-19 16:25:42 and read 28212 times.

Love it! Great news HA! At least its a better airline than VC running the route, plus better connections, hopefully!

However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Zkpilot
Posted 2012-06-19 16:44:00 and read 28198 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 3):
Hawaiian to BNE .Great news

Koruman will be happy....
and will say I told you so lol  in 3, 2, 1...

[Edited 2012-06-19 16:45:03]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2012-06-19 19:18:17 and read 28062 times.

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 5):
However flights aren't loaded into the GDS as of yet. However from what I can see it doesnt tye up witn the NYC flight which would have been good if they planned it this way.
Quoting vhqpa (Reply 4):
HA443 246 HNL 1020 BNE 1600+1 763
HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 763

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2012-06-19 22:53:26 and read 27827 times.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 7):

connections UA to Australia:

not so good. only Las Vegas seems to be a same day connection. Most others need overnight stay:

PPG 05:30
LAS 05:50
PPT 06:15
OGG 06:42
KOA 06:55
LIH 07:04
ITO 07:09
KOA 07:45
ITO 08:02
OGG 08:12
LIH 08:18
OGG 09:13
CTS 09:15

from Australia to USA:

HA444 357 BNE 1835 HNL 0805 >>

some lengthy connections:

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
17:05 PPG
16:40 PPT
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF

Looks like HA are marketing more so to inter-island connections within Hawaii. According to a press release I saw on the emails. I am not sure they would be able to get lots of traffic through. If they timed it better they could have quicker connections to other destinations in Hawaii as well as mainland USA.

People would have to spend at least 1 night in HNL on the return to Australia. Maybe HA are getting a concession from the Hawaiian Government for timing it this way to pump some money into the tourism industry. Does anyone think this is the case?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2012-06-20 00:50:53 and read 27710 times.

I may have my timings wrong, but wouldn't it have made sense to push the departure back 6-7 hours to allow some connections with US afternoon arrivals?

from USA to HNL

JFK HA 51 15:30
LAS HA 7 13:10
LAX HA 3 14:10
OAK HA 47 12:50
PDX HA 25 14:05
PHX HA 35 11:35
SAN HA 15 13:00
SEA HA 21 13:30
SFO HA 11 12:00
SJC HA 43 13:40
SMF HA 19 12:15

depart HNL 17:30, arrive BNE 23:00+1

depart BNE 00:20, arrive HNL 14:05

departure from HNL to USA

16:20 JFK
15:25 LAS
14:00 LAX
15:30 OAK
15:35 PDX
15:15 PHX
13:15 SAN
15:00 SEA
13:45 SFO
15:15 SJC
13:55 SMF


i have left the missed connections in there, as the schedule could move to the left by 2 hours or so.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-06-20 02:41:00 and read 27584 times.

HA have really taken to this expansion game  

Good news for BNE. Will be interesting to see if there are any flow on effects for the SYD services.

Will there be a VA codeshare, given that bothy carriers signed a partnership agreement not too long ago?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-06-20 02:59:45 and read 27545 times.

I'm just relieved that BNE-HNL returns.

I too would have preferred later timings.

It opens up avenues too for nice VA points and status earning. Since abandoning Air NZ I have been splitting my loyalty between QF (JQ Business for HNL) and VA, and have not been able to replicate the previous pattern of bringing my family over in comfort to a stopover point on my way back from US trips.

HNL in Business Class prices out at around $3500 return on VA-issued tickets, and onward DL First Class tickets to the East Coast average around $2200 return.

I like the idea of departing BNE on a Friday at 1835, spending 48 hours at leisure on Oahu (Friday am to Sunday am), then flying onward to my mainland destination.

On the way back, I need to be in HNL by Saturday morning to catch the return flight which returns to BNE on Sunday afternoon. In other words, if I add on one week of annual leave - which I often do anyway, and spend it in San Diego or Newport Beach - a work trip to anywhere in the USA will now be able to include a short outbound and long inbound stopover in Hawaii.

Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

So I'm pretty happy with this.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: DavidByrne
Posted 2012-06-20 14:05:35 and read 27242 times.

Quoting koruman (Reply 11):
Lastly, it keeps Tahiti as an accessible destination for me, except from HNL rather than Auckland. That's actually quite a relief.

K'man - you must be pretty desperate to punish Air NZ if you'd rather fly HA BNE-HNL-PPT (7415 miles), rather than transit AKL (3972 miles). Seems a bit obsessive from my viewpoint on the sideline . . .

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: redrooster3
Posted 2012-06-20 22:40:13 and read 27003 times.

Hey guys, I have a question. VH-OEB went on some pretty weird charter flights lately. She went as QF6034. Was someone chartering her? Did she take a south america tour? Going from Fiji to Cuba is a flight I've never heard of.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/Q...4/history/20120617/2230Z/SCIP/YSSY

Thanks! Sorry if it was asked in the earlier thread.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-06-20 23:00:46 and read 26980 times.

Quoting redrooster3 (Reply 13):

It's a Captains Choice Tours Charter. They charter QF planes pretty regularly.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-06-21 00:58:10 and read 26858 times.

David, you misunderstand me.

I used to do PPT as an online stopover between Australia and USA/UK, but very few NZ tickets now permit this.

I'm actually about to use HA's HNL-PPT for the first time, as I happened to be in HNL anyway.

I'm not desperate to punish NZ, I'm just past taking detours or paying a premium to fly with them. They have made me more pragmatic and realistic.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-01 15:06:25 and read 25806 times.

JetGo commenced FIFO out of BNE to Osborne mine as well as Townsville.It also operates to Barcaldine from BNE.37 seat ERJ-135 is used.

CNS are getting 3 Transaero charters in Ocober from FUK.777-200 to be used.

BNE has a record 120 QF and Qantaslink departures today according to the BAC movement board.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-07-01 23:31:12 and read 25485 times.

I was down on the gold coast yesterday when I noticed one of the Alliance Air birds was doing low laps over Tweed Heads/Coolangatta on Sunday 01/07. Anyone know what the deal was?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-02 05:50:51 and read 25180 times.

Very exciting times for PER... QR's inaugural service touches down in less than 24 hours! Anyone heading out to the airport to snap a few pictures?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-02 14:44:20 and read 25031 times.

Well done Perth in getting Qatar.

ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Qantaslink to announce a new livery today at BNE as well as opening a new state of the art lounge.

Skytrans innaugral TWB-SYD-TWB yesterday with Dash 8-300 VH-QQM flying the route.One of our members flew on it.

JetGo planning BNE-Cloncurry soon.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZKOKQ
Posted 2012-07-03 02:21:40 and read 24707 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 19):
ZKOKQ Hi, the Alliance flights are training only ex BNE.Usually 2-3 times a month .Less traffic at OOL to do all the practice approaches.

Cheers eaglefarm.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-07-03 02:25:54 and read 24699 times.

Hi,

Some news:

QantasLink opens new boarding gates/lounge in BNE:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantaslink-g...-departure-gate-lounge-at-brisbane

And some positive news for Qantas International:

*During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly.

*SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks.

Hopefully now with QF international having its own dedicated CEO and management more permanent service increases will be looked at.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2012-07-03 02:38:39 and read 24677 times.

Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning? I heard a sound similar to an A320 but was a little different, sounded like a larger plane, then i saw the 388. I believe the a/c operating was VH-OQK

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-03 18:14:44 and read 24317 times.

Looks like the last QF 747-438ER has gone to Avalon for conversion. VH-OEF is now at Avalon.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
During Dec/Jan peak season SYD-SCL-SYD will increase from 3 to 4 times weekly

The idea was to grow this to daily service alongside LAN and with QF saying they're getting much more traction using SCL over EZE, this service increase bodes well.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 21):
SYD-MNL-SYD will also see service increases during the Dec/Jan period, up to 6x weekly some weeks

Good to see seasonal adjustments come back into the International network. I wonder if they'll pick up Korea again for the Summer like they used to?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-03 18:58:19 and read 24277 times.

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 22):
Any idea why QF012 was diverted to Brisbane this morning?

It diverted to BNE due QF12 had a double ground turn back in LAX causing a 4.5 hour delay. The crew would have run out of hours if continued to SYD.

All the pax disembarked in BNE and put onto QF8 (QF8 BNE/SYD pax were put onto the QF20.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-04 00:20:36 and read 24169 times.

Quote:

Virgin pips Qantas on domestic routes
July 4, 2012 - 2:27PM

Virgin Australia carried more domestic passengers than its rival Qantas over the 12 months to the end of May - a first for the industry’s traditional number two.

Virgin carried 1.42 million domestic passengers in May, it said today, which compared to 1.37 million passengers who flew with Qantas Domestic.

It is not the first time Virgin’s domestic operations have carried more passengers than Qantas in a single month, but Virgin has for the first time outperformed Qantas over a 12-month period.
Advertisement: Story continues below

In the year to May 31, Virgin carried 15.53 million domestic passengers, compared to Qantas’ 15.49 million domestic passengers.

The Qantas figures do not include passengers who flew with its fully-owned subsidiary Jetstar, which carried 830,000 passengers in May and 9.84 million passengers in the year to May.

CBA analyst Matt Crowe said the numbers were a likely reflection of Qantas’s increased focus on Jetstar’s domestic routes.

‘‘Qantas is moving a lot of passengers from domestic to Jetstar, over that period of time Qantas Domestic has become relatively smaller to Jetstar,’’ he said.

Virgin’s move away from being a low-cost carrier to a corporate flyer may also have contributed to its rise in passenger numbers, Mr Crowe said.

‘‘It wouldn’t be purely business (passengers), but that has been the main initiative that Virgin’s been pursuing in the last 12 months,’’ he said.

Also a factor was Qantas’ fleet grounding in October, which contributed to an 11 per cent drop in domestic passenger numbers in that month.

The number of kilometres travelled by paying Virgin customers remained lower than that of Qantas, but they have grown at a much stronger rate.

Virgin flew 17.63 million revenue passenger kilometres (RPKs) in the year to May, up 7.7 per cent on the previous 12 months. Qantas flew 22.83 million RPKs in the year to May, which was flat compared to the previous 12 months.

Meanwhile, Virgin’s international business posted a 0.3 per cent drop in passenger numbers in the month of May, and in the year to May international passengers dropped 6.2 per cent from the previous year to 2.43 million.

On a total group basis, Virgin Australia carried 17.8 million people in the year to the end of May, compared to Qantas’s 43 million.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/virgi...-20120704-21gsm.html#ixzz1zdUxeLKZ

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: cwalt2
Posted 2012-07-04 01:02:55 and read 24208 times.

Qatar Airways is planning an alliance with Qantas Airways, according to ceo Akbar Al Baker.

Interesting! wonder if this puts to rest talks of a possible Qantas/Emirates alliance?

(It was reported by Travel Daily in Australia - have copied as it's a subscription based publication.)


QR flags codeshare alliance with Qantas

Qatar Airways ceo Akbar Al Baker has this afternoon confirmed the Doha-based carrier will seek a strategic partnership with Qantas Airways, with talks planned for next week.

Al Baker told media today at a press conference in Perth that a codeshare pact with Qantas would have twofold benefits, enabling the Australian flag carrier to expand its European network, while QR could increase its options into Australia.

The planned alliance would take into account QR's new Perth service (which launched yesterday and will go daily from 02 Dec) and its two-year-old Melbourne route, as well as possibly tapping into some of QF's Singapore traffic, Al Baker said.

The proposed partnership would cover "joint flights" and placing the QF code on QR metal and vice versa - including QR coding on QF's Australian domestic network, he suggested.

"We have been meeting with Qantas for quite some time" Al Baker said, with further planned talks involving senior Qatar Airways executives at the Qantas headquarters in Sydney next week.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: tayser
Posted 2012-07-04 02:39:54 and read 24384 times.

would be nice if QF basically just kept flying to LHR and FRA only and QR took on everything else in Europe once they start SYD/BNE/ADL/PER etc - they have a lof 787s, 777s and 350s on order to do it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-04 04:45:07 and read 24205 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 25):

I wonder what impact the industrial action had on these results? I also wonder if QFLink figures are included, given they play a big role on routes like SYD-CBR (which is a high traffic route)...

Quoting cwalt2 (Reply 26):
wonder if this puts to rest talks of a possible Qantas/Emirates alliance?

Talks that were bluntly denied by both carriers, and made no sense anyway?

QR makes the most sense to me...

Quoting tayser (Reply 27):

I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QantasA333
Posted 2012-07-04 06:20:55 and read 24091 times.

Emirates will begin flights into ADL beginning on the 1st of November 2012 with 4x weekly B777-300ER service. This service looks like it will be direct with no SIN or BKK stopover!

Service goes daily from 1st Feb 2013, or before then if we look at other EK destinations.

Source:
http://www.emirates.com/english/abou...ws/news_detail.aspx?article=914489

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2012-07-04 07:11:43 and read 24015 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 24):
It diverted to BNE due QF12 had a double ground turn back in LAX causing a 4.5 hour delay. The crew would have run out of hours if continued to SYD.

All the pax disembarked in BNE and put onto QF8 (QF8 BNE/SYD pax were put onto the QF20.

Thanks for that. What a mess though, transfering of pax, but fair enough. Whats your source  ? Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-04 07:23:10 and read 24021 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.

With QF eventually taking on B787s SYD-DOH sounds very promising...

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 30):
Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?

Don't quote me but I believe a faulty steering indicator...

Also anyone interested QF's 5th A380 VH-OQE will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it’s scheduled reconfiguration works on the 17th July 2012...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-04 11:58:29 and read 23915 times.

Also, EK will upgrade PER to 19 x weekly from December, and then 3 x daily from March 2013. Exciting times ahead!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: CXfirst
Posted 2012-07-04 13:51:50 and read 23891 times.

From the other thread:

Adelaide

EK440 DXB ADL 0155 2045
EK441 ADL DXB 2245 0545+1

4 weekly and later daily with B77W.


Perth

EK422 DXB PER 2145 1225+1
EK423 PER DXB 1530 2225

Third daily service. 5 weekly and later daily with B77W.

The third Perth flight only connects to the small departure bank. But, for those going to lhr/cdg/fra, etc. it might be the preferred time, with a less packed DXB to transfer to.

I honestly think EK would be better off with EK420/421 being an A380, but seeing as the international terminal isn't fully capable, they'd chose the next best option, 3rd daily.

-CXfirst

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-04 13:57:38 and read 23887 times.

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 33):
I honestly think EK would be better off with EK420/421 being an A380, but seeing as the international terminal isn't fully capable, they'd chose the next best option, 3rd daily.

Brad Geatches said that PER will have an A380 gate within 12 months specifically so EK can use the superjumbo on the route. Hopefully they can still maintain 3 x daily flights if this is the case.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-04 14:21:22 and read 23871 times.

Yes well done ADL

SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD has now gone daily with the Thursday arrival into BNE this am.

BNE had a record 672 movements on Tuesday(Webtrak)

Solomons are changing their days ex BNE with a Saturday flight to start next month.Still 4 a week.

Virgin announced a 7th daily BNE-ROK from next month

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-04 15:43:32 and read 23776 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
Talks that were bluntly denied by both carriers, and made no sense anyway?

QR makes the most sense to me...

Agreed. QR is smaller and has more to gain from an alliance with QF than EK does. Together they could do a better job of combating EK in the market as well.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 28):
I'd have thought that such a deal would see QF flying to DOH from Australia and passing pax off to QR there. They won't make money just copying VA's strategy over retaining their own services with BA.

I'm not so sure. If you leave QF flying to LHR and FRA from SIN and you codeshare with QR to everywhere else then there is probably room for both. Certainly a QF 789 would be an interesting sight in Doha complementing QR services.

Not forgetting that at the moment there are only 14 frequencies available for an Australian Carrier on the SYD/MEL/PER/BNE to Doha route. I'm not sure when additional capacity becomes available.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-04 16:01:47 and read 23771 times.

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 30):
Thanks for that. What a mess though, transfering of pax, but fair enough. Whats your source  ? Any idea what caused the turn arounds in LAX?
Quoting EK413 (Reply 31):
Don't quote me but I believe a faulty steering indicator...

Also anyone interested QF's 5th A380 VH-OQE will be positioning from SYD to MNL for it’s scheduled reconfiguration works on the 17th July 2012...







  


As with regard to source, I'd rather keep it to myself

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-04 16:23:28 and read 23729 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 37):

Likewise.....

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Mikey86
Posted 2012-07-04 21:00:51 and read 23567 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 37):










As with regard to source, I'd rather keep it to myself

Damn  ! All good, I can understand that!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: travelhound
Posted 2012-07-04 22:10:42 and read 23475 times.

I hear Virgin Australia has ordered the 737MAX

This will dispel the A320 rumours.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: timpdx
Posted 2012-07-04 22:15:51 and read 23495 times.

Yes, It's on Reuters now that Virgin has indeed ordered 23 737 MAX frames for $2.2 Billion USD. And they are still expecting 2013-2016 deliveries of their 738s.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-05 00:22:12 and read 23392 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 36):
I'm not so sure. If you leave QF flying to LHR and FRA from SIN and you codeshare with QR to everywhere else then there is probably room for both. Certainly a QF 789 would be an interesting sight in Doha complementing QR services.

I believe that QF needs to focus their strength on one strategy rather than trying to spread things about (they seem to be moving in this direction with cancellations of BKK/HKG-LHR etc), so I don't see SIN and the BA relationship remaining alongside a relationship with QR.

I doubt BA would be too happy about QF routing continental pax through DOH rather than LHR, and there would probably be a significant drop in passenger numbers on the SIN services anyway (ie the loss of most connecting traffic).

At the end of the day though, it's impossible to tell what QF will do. They seem reluctant to commit to a major shift in strategy, but their existing path doesn't seem to be all that promising...

Quoting travelhound (Reply 40):

Hardly a shock, given that they will want to beat QF to the punch as the first operator in Australia. They also use more NB's for longer flights to Asian than QF do, so the additional range will be extremely useful to them...

Do we know when they are expecting them to start arriving?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eta unknown
Posted 2012-07-05 01:00:35 and read 23331 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 35):
Solomons are changing their days ex BNE with a Saturday flight to start next month.Still 4 a week.

I've heard the current schedule remains with a few adhoc Sat flights to cater to demand for a Pacific Islands festival being held in HIR.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-05 07:46:26 and read 23091 times.

With the announcement by QR 's CEO about the possible agreement with QF, And internal memo was circulated through QF to say that QF does not comment on any corporate alignments and negotiations until a successful outcome is reached.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-05 15:51:30 and read 22990 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
I believe that QF needs to focus their strength on one strategy rather than trying to spread things about (they seem to be moving in this direction with cancellations of BKK/HKG-LHR etc), so I don't see SIN and the BA relationship remaining alongside a relationship with QR.

I disagree with that. I think the cancellations at BKK and HKG make sense, but the key problem for QF is access to Continental Europe via non-LHR means. If QR can provide that and give pax choice then it makes sense for QF to adapt their strategy to that. There will still be plenty of people flying to London or who will start or finish their journey with a stop in London to fill their A380's at SIN. But the key is getting access to basically everything to the East of France with 1 stop. If QR can provide that then that puts QF in a much better competitive position.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
I doubt BA would be too happy about QF routing continental pax through DOH rather than LHR, and there would probably be a significant drop in passenger numbers on the SIN services anyway (ie the loss of most connecting traffic).

As I said, I think if anything this could be a good thing. Focus driving LHR and FRA bound pax through SIN while driving everyone else through DOH. Considering the reductions in service that QF has done along with the BA acqusition of BMI I'd say that the loss of QF connecting pax would probably have a marginal effect, at best, for BA. QF, on the other hand, stand to gain significantly in their fight against both EK and SIN in terms of 1 stop services to places like Rome, Athens, Amsterdam, Zurich etc.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-07-05 16:27:17 and read 22954 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
But the key is getting access to basically everything to the East of France with 1 stop. If QR can provide that then that puts QF in a much better competitive position.

What are the FRA loads like? And would QF consider opening a route to either BER or somewhere else with a large AB hub? With QR not operating to SYD, would this be considered relatively soon? The problem with QR is that they don't offer too many destinations east of LHR compared with the other Gulf carriers; to the point that flying into an AB hub and connecting from there could be just as good. And by saying that, would they really need a Gulf airline to partner with?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-05 17:46:54 and read 22881 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
The problem with QR is that they don't offer too many destinations east of LHR compared with the other Gulf carriers; to the point that flying into an AB hub and connecting from there could be just as good.

The problem with that is that it's 3 stops to get anywhere beyond Berlin. Whereas on QR it's 1 stop. I see QR destinations of Rome, Venice, Milan, Sofia, Vienna, Berlin, Zagreb, Istanbul, Moscow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Stockholm etc where QF could have 1 stop access to instead of 2 stop via LHR under current arrangements.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
With QR not operating to SYD, would this be considered relatively soon?

QR haven't been able to secure the slots they want into Sydney. That's something QF could easily help them with given their large operation at SYD.

They don't have to be as large as the other Gulf Carriers, and for QF that's probably a selling point of an arrangement. Let EK chase market share while QF and QR drive traffic onto each others networks away from them and away from the VA/EY alliance. Again, I can only see Blue Sky for QF under these arrangements. And if it does drive pax away from SIN then let QF re-route an A380 onto SYD-DOH-LHR and bring QR into the arrangement with BA. QR also serves SIN twice a day from DOH so there's also synergies there as well.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: airnewzealand
Posted 2012-07-05 18:59:18 and read 22831 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 46):
What are the FRA loads like?

Around 10months of the year loads are 85-100%. Business is usually 100% all year round.
It may sound strange but many Passengers connect in Y/C to Ireland, parts of Germany and Eastern Europe.
This flight is very hard to get onto when staff Travelling all year round.

Cheers

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-05 20:45:41 and read 22722 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
the key problem for QF is access to Continental Europe via non-LHR means

The number one issue for QF is profitability, not network coverage. I agree that they need to get themselves in a more competitive position if they want to make more money (and this means better coverage of Europe). Using 6 or so aircraft to run 4-5 daily flights from Australian to DOH and a daily tag onto LHR, plus using 3 aircraft to expand North America or Asian or domestically is going to make more money for QF than using 9 aircraft to fly twice daily to LHR and daily to FRA via SIN, plus more resources to open at least 1-2 DOH flights.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
Focus driving LHR and FRA bound pax through SIN while driving everyone else through DOH.

I doubt QR would react positively to QF removing the single largest market on offer from any deal between the two. We would end up seeing QF and QR competiting against each other into LHR, which I think would undermine their relationship quite significantly.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 45):
Considering the reductions in service that QF has done along with the BA acqusition of BMI I'd say that the loss of QF connecting pax would probably have a marginal effect, at best, for BA.

It's not just the connecting traffic that will impact on BA. If QF offers one stop connections to a wide array of Continental cities (and other major UK ports, like MAN) then it is logical to assume that most of the traffic they currently send to these ports via LHR will travel via DOH.

So the flights offered under the QF-BA JV will either see lower loads or cheaper fares (based on the simple concept that demand is the same, but there is a higher level of (more attractive) supply). BA suffers while QF continues to make money off every passenger they send to Europe.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 47):
bring QR into the arrangement with BA.

I think this would have to be necessary if QF wanted to retain their relationship with BA. But QR and BA are in much tigher competition than QF and QR, given the significant overlap on Europe/Americas-Asia and some Europe-Africa services.

But I wonder why they would bother with BA when QR can offer far more than BA can, and QF stands to make far more profit using the 9 aircraft they currently use to Europe on services to DOH (plus a daily tag to LHR) and expansion in other areas of the network.

I guess I'm just looking for a more radical shift, but at the end of the day, I doubt QF will do anything more than they already have.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-05 21:30:51 and read 22666 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 49):
The number one issue for QF is profitability, not network coverage

Again, I disagree. The reason they have the lack of profitability is because of the poor network coverage. One leads to the other. QF can't drive premium yields to pay for their higher costs because their network to Europe is inadequate in the breath of coverage they offer. QR offers a nice, lower cost solution to that. And it's less risky than letting even JQ do it from SIN.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 49):
Using 6 or so aircraft to run 4-5 daily flights from Australian to DOH

They can't do that anyway. The maximum allowed from an Australian carrier is 14 frequencies a week. What I would suggest is a genuine sharing with QF covering SYD & BNE - DOH while QR covers MEL, PER and then builds capacity when warranted. That way the risks are shared while the alliance is built without having to radically shift QF's current hub from SIN.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 49):
I doubt QR would react positively to QF removing the single largest market on offer from any deal between the two. We would end up seeing QF and QR competiting against each other into LHR, which I think would undermine their relationship quite significantly.

I don't necessarily agree with that. As everyone has pointed out, QR's presence in the Australian market is relatively small with only MEL and now PER being represented. So the reality is they're not pinching much of QF's LHR traffic anyway. So I don't really see that as much of a driver, for now, of a QR/QF deal. The key for QF is non UK Europe while the key for QR is domestic connections and the Tasman. So they each have something to offer the other before you add LHR into the mix.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 49):
It's not just the connecting traffic that will impact on BA. If QF offers one stop connections to a wide array of Continental cities (and other major UK ports, like MAN) then it is logical to assume that most of the traffic they currently send to these ports via LHR will travel via DOH.

So the flights offered under the QF-BA JV will either see lower loads or cheaper fares (based on the simple concept that demand is the same, but there is a higher level of (more attractive) supply). BA suffers while QF continues to make money off every passenger they send to Europe.

But, on the other hand, BA would also be encouraged to embrace QR as well which would mitigate its loss. Especially if QR enters Oneworld. QF is down to 2 flights a day into LHR from Australia, BA is down to 1. The reality is that, compared to EK, SIN, EY etc etc their flight capacity is irrelevant into LHR from this part of the world anyway so the loss of connecting pax wouldn't be significant to BA's network.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 49):
But I wonder why they would bother with BA when QR can offer far more than BA can, and QF stands to make far more profit using the 9 aircraft they currently use to Europe on services to DOH (plus a daily tag to LHR) and expansion in other areas of the network.

QF needs both. As I said there are a large portion of Australians who either start of finish their journey to Europe in London. QF/BA will still be best positioned to capitalise on this one directional travel. The trick is that if you start in London and finish in Rome, Athens, Moscow etc then the last thing you want is to travel back to LHR. So you take the QF codeshare with QR via Doha home. So for QF, they need both arrangements in place. For BA, as I said they have bigger fish to fry with expanding long haul and consolidating the BMI purchase. They won't miss a few hundred Australians each day and it could, if anything, encourage them to further adjust capacity into South East Asia, maybe more 772's etc to mitigate what is lost.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: TN486
Posted 2012-07-06 05:32:48 and read 22333 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 25):
Quote:
Virgin pips Qantas on domestic routes
July 4, 2012 - 2:27PM

It is amazing what the media can make of "figurers" or "statistics" Yes, Virgin did pip Qantas, however the figurers did not include Qantas Link, nor Jetstar. Virgin need to treble in size to beat the QF group domestically.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-06 15:46:51 and read 22313 times.

That is not their fault if the Qantas Group split their carriers up.Nevertheless Virgin passed Qantas Airways for the first time.

5 more prop deliveries in July and August.

Alliance have another Fokker 50 VH-FKO due this month and Qantaslink 2 Q400's.

Virgin have 2 ATR-600'S due next month.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-06 16:17:06 and read 22286 times.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 51):
It is amazing what the media can make of "figurers" or "statistics" Yes, Virgin did pip Qantas, however the figurers did not include Qantas Link, nor Jetstar. Virgin need to treble in size to beat the QF group domestically.

This link: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...antas/story-e6frg90f-1226418203408
Shows that QF+JQ carry about 30 million while DJ carry about 15.5 million - I'd say double, assuming that the extras are growth in the market rather than taking market share from QF group.

Even though I agree with your point, I still think it would be newsworthy for DJ to pip QF mainline. What isn't newsworthy is the 11 month period.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-07 16:28:09 and read 21865 times.

Air Niugini have announced their new schedules from 15 July.

Their new 737-700 will operate twice weekly to both BNE and SYD.

SYD will no longer get any 763's and BNE will no longer get any F100's.

BNE will still get 11 767 flights a week.

Source AIR NIUGINI web site.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2012-07-08 19:23:31 and read 21329 times.

Quoting TN486 (Reply 51):
It is amazing what the media can make of "figurers" or "statistics" Yes, Virgin did pip Qantas, however the figurers did not include Qantas Link, nor Jetstar. Virgin need to treble in size to beat the QF group domestically.
Quoting thegeek (Reply 53):
Shows that QF+JQ carry about 30 million while DJ carry about 15.5 million - I'd say double, assuming that the extras are growth in the market rather than taking market share from QF group.

Even though I agree with your point, I still think it would be newsworthy for DJ to pip QF mainline. What isn't newsworthy is the 11 month period.

I suspect this was a very clever PR angle from virgin.
while the figures may or may not be true depending on how you look at it, the story has made headlines, people are talking about, and for your average person, they may now thinking VA is bigger than QF and will try them out.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: pugsley
Posted 2012-07-10 06:07:22 and read 20892 times.

Looks like the operational split of QF into domestic and international is starting to show some positive sign for customers.

QF to install new piviot bins, retrofitted on 737

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-up...-to-fit-more-bags-in-overhead-bins

And rumour is the 767 will get a cabin make over as well. Lyell Strambi is keen to make improvments to QF Domestic, seems great

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-10 18:51:23 and read 20685 times.

there is currently a CX A340-300 sitting on the ground at PHE due to fog in PER, its a very odd sight...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-07-10 20:29:57 and read 20550 times.

Maybe while they refit the overhead bins on the B73Hs they add the new IFE and seats to the entire fleet.

Talk of the B763 refit has been around for 3 yrs... Hopefully something happens

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-11 01:18:02 and read 20351 times.

Quoting pugsley (Reply 56):

QF to install new piviot bins, retrofitted on 737

http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-to-up...-to-fit-more-bags-in-overhead-bins

And rumour is the 767 will get a cabin make over as well. Lyell Strambi is keen to make improvments to QF Domestic, seems great

I like the installation of new piviot bins on the B737 fleet...    I don't like the idea of giving the B767 fleet a make over...    This is a clear indication the aircraft will over stay there stay in the QF fleet... The aircraft need to be retired not retrofitted...   

My 0.02c...   

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-11 02:18:53 and read 20287 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 59):

Why should the 767 leave? Its a great aircraft, and alot of the older ones that QF had are now sitting in the desert somewhere, if these aircfrat were retrofitted with new over head lockers and IFE, the average pax wouldnt know the difference... or more to the point wouldnt care! these 767's have still got alot of life in them!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-11 05:56:27 and read 20072 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 60):
Why should the 767 leave?
Quoting EK413 (Reply 59):
My 0.02c...

It's my opinion and doesn't mean the QF Domestic CEO needs to agree with my views...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-11 17:41:18 and read 19882 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 60):
Why should the 767 leave? Its a great aircraft, and alot of the older ones that QF had are now sitting in the desert somewhere, if these aircfrat were retrofitted with new over head lockers and IFE, the average pax wouldnt know the difference... or more to the point wouldnt care! these 767's have still got alot of life in them!

I agree.

The 787 will not match it on fuel burn per seat-km nor on ownership costs, until the maintenance costs escalate. Perhaps A330s would do even better domestically but it's not clear that there are enough of them to spare for QF's needs.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2012-07-11 20:05:54 and read 19721 times.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 52):
That is not their fault if the Qantas Group split their carriers up.Nevertheless Virgin passed Qantas Airways for the first time.

Well for management purposes it isn't a bad thing. QFLink still operated during the QF shut down etc while Virgin's regional routes operate all under VA brand. I don't think it matters too much, QF is still making a lot domestically and is still much larger than VA.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-07-12 22:49:54 and read 19208 times.

Some Qantas Group News:

Qantas will deploy iPads to its pilots:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...ation/story-e6frg95x-1226424815246

Jetstar Decides On Engine selection for New Aircraft:

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news12/127-Jetstar.shtml

Reinstatement Of Duty Free On Qantas Reconfigured B744s:

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/info/201207/0707

Qantas To Commence Services Perth To Christmas Creek WA:

http://www.airlinehubbuzz.com/qantas-adds-christmas-creek-wa-network/

Thanks

[Edited 2012-07-12 23:17:29]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-13 04:26:11 and read 18974 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 59):
I don't like the idea of giving the B767 fleet a make over...
Quoting JQflightie (Reply 60):

I think there will be a limited number of the 767's retrofitted (including overhead bins and new lighting). I have been told that during a roadshow that the new QF CEO is running at the moment around Australia for the staff, that by 2015 QF Domestic only wants two aircraft type in it's fleet, 73H's and 330's (guessing the 330's are coming from JQ once they get their 787's), I was told that that the phrase that was used, to describe the 763's interior is piss poor with that horrible yellow lighting, also, they have been very happy with the Q-streaming, and it is going to be rolled out fleet wide.

On a separate, yet related issue with the new QF Domestic CEO, he also told the staff to watch out for some big announcements in October. Pressed what it could be, he did did not answer, just said to wait

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-07-13 12:24:00 and read 18807 times.

Apparently from October QantasLink will base another Q400 in MEL with at least one HBA rotation planned, also expect to see some Q400 services on the ADL-CBR-ADL route.

Interesting times ahead!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: tayser
Posted 2012-07-13 17:13:03 and read 18722 times.

how many would be based here now given DPO, MQL and the odd ADL frequency at present? 1? 2?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-13 21:40:06 and read 18577 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 65):
I think there will be a limited number of the 767's retrofitted (including overhead bins and new lighting). I have been told that during a roadshow that the new QF CEO is running at the moment around Australia for the staff, that by 2015 QF Domestic only wants two aircraft type in it's fleet, 73H's and 330's (guessing the 330's are coming from JQ once they get their 787's), I was told that that the phrase that was used, to describe the 763's interior is piss poor with that horrible yellow lighting, also, they have been very happy with the Q-streaming, and it is going to be rolled out fleet wide.

On a separate, yet related issue with the new QF Domestic CEO, he also told the staff to watch out for some big announcements in October. Pressed what it could be, he did did not answer, just said to wait

This is true, the 767 will be gone by 2016, as its a maintence cost, but whilst its here, its fine. It does its job.
I could go on to say more, but i cant as im not aloud! Until its announced that is   ......

And on the note of 'big news in october' .... we are still waiting on the big news from 1st of July.....

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-07-15 17:15:16 and read 17937 times.

Qantas/QantasLink increases and changes to Tasmania services:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/qanta...creases-capacity-tasmania/5/129094

QantasLink increases services and capacity to/from Canberra:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/qantas-boost-canberra-capacity/5/129102

Thanks

[Edited 2012-07-15 17:46:30]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ditzyboy
Posted 2012-07-17 08:04:18 and read 17373 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 69):
Qantas/QantasLink increases and changes to Tasmania services:

I wonder how the change to DH4 equipment for the morning flight ex-HBA (and evening return) will be received by corporate and business customers. As the only overnighting Qantas aircraft, this flight services business customers heading to a number of cities (ADL, CBR, SYD with a connection in Melbourne). Is 70 seats (on a prop, with no J cabin) enough to service the market? Is it effective competition to Virgin?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-17 15:23:37 and read 17279 times.

I thought this was interesting, a new DRW-SIN-KIX service with the SIN-KIX part operated by a JQ A330.

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave.../jetstar-unveils-darwin-osaka-link

I wonder if this means JQ are giving up on SIN-AKL?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-07-18 03:48:37 and read 16895 times.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 70):
I wonder how the change to DH4 equipment for the morning flight ex-HBA (and evening return) will be received by corporate and business customers

I would have thought maybe they should base a couple of 717s in Melbourne and use them for the HBT service they would have to be better than a prop for the morning peek and afternoon peek service

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-07-18 03:57:47 and read 16902 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 10):
Good news for BNE. Will be interesting to see if there are any flow on effects for the SYD services.

It fantastic news for Brisbane, and now they have anounced AKL, Does anyone here think that maybe MEL might see HA start a service to here? I think if Brisbane pax want to avoid SYD to get to HNL I should imagine there might be some sort of affect for SYD.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-07-18 04:07:46 and read 16870 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 65):
On a separate, yet related issue with the new QF Domestic CEO, he also told the staff to watch out for some big announcements in October. Pressed what it could be, he did did not answer, just said to wait

What, they are going to anounce another destnation being dropped or given over to JQ   

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: VH-BZF
Posted 2012-07-18 05:42:28 and read 16765 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 68):
This is true, the 767 will be gone by 2016, as its a maintence cost, but whilst its here, its fine. It does its job.
I could go on to say more, but i cant as im not aloud! Until its announced that is   ......

Correct almost. My mail is that the B767 fleet will be retired by mid 2015, B737-400 fleet by mid 2014 at the latest. The GE B763 fleet to have a makeover and fitted with new Q-Streaming/iPAD IFE to see it through to retirement.

The other announcement re the DH4 being based in Melbourne is correct I understand and will add (not replace) to the current B737-800 services to Hobart and add capacity (as stated above by vhebb) and flights to LST, DPO, ADL & CBR.

BZF

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-18 07:30:00 and read 16685 times.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 74):
What, they are going to anounce another destnation being dropped or given over to JQ

Or maybe QF returning to a port that they have previously dropped and JQ have had free reign

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2012-07-18 17:30:57 and read 16641 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 76):

OOL            

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: sydscott
Posted 2012-07-18 19:07:02 and read 16552 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 65):
On a separate, yet related issue with the new QF Domestic CEO, he also told the staff to watch out for some big announcements in October. Pressed what it could be, he did did not answer, just said to wait

Hopefully they're spending some money to do another extension to the PER domestic terminal. The place is like a zoo!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: 6thfreedom
Posted 2012-07-18 19:28:45 and read 16547 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 71):
I thought this was interesting, a new DRW-SIN-KIX service with the SIN-KIX part operated by a JQ A330.

http://www.travelweekly.com.au/trave.../jetstar-unveils-darwin-osaka-link

I wonder if this means JQ are giving up on SIN-AKL?

Sounds a little like the MEL-SIN-PEK service. same flight number, different aircraft and long layover..

JQ 7 MEL 12:00 PEK 00:50 +1 15:50 v fastest connection of 13.20 CX/KA

JQ 8 PEK 09:00 MEL 06:45 +1 18:45 v fastest ones top connection of 14.20 (KE)


DRW-SIN-KIX is the fastest at 12.10 travel time, but in the opposite direction it's 17.30 with a 6 hour layover!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: BAeRJ100
Posted 2012-07-18 19:40:13 and read 16530 times.

Quoting sydscott (Reply 78):
Hopefully they're spending some money to do another extension to the PER domestic terminal. The place is like a zoo!

It's been mentioned many times, but WAC (Perth Airport owner) is currently halfway through building a new domestic terminal next to Terminal 1 (international). It's scheduled to open later this year/early next year, with Skywest, Alliance and Tiger slated to move over there. Following that, an extension is being made to the current T1, and Virgin will move over once that is completed. This gives QF and JQ the entirety of the domestic terminals, both T2 and T3, to play with. The ultimate plan is that within a number of years all flight operations (minus perhaps Skippers, Cobham, Network, etc) will be consolidated on the T1 side of the airport, no doubt after the terminal is made large enough to accommodate all of the airlines.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: sydscott
Posted 2012-07-18 20:31:02 and read 16484 times.

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 80):
It's been mentioned many times, but WAC (Perth Airport owner) is currently halfway through building a new domestic terminal next to Terminal 1 (international). It's scheduled to open later this year/early next year, with Skywest, Alliance and Tiger slated to move over there. Following that, an extension is being made to the current T1, and Virgin will move over once that is completed.

I know all of that. WAC's total mis-management of PER aside, QF needs more Qantas Club space and more terminals space right now. The addition of a couple more gates and a further expansion of the Qantas Club would better tide them over until the pier in the International Terminal for Virgin is complete and they get access to the other terminal.

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 80):
e ultimate plan is that within a number of years all flight operations (minus perhaps Skippers, Cobham, Network, etc) will be consolidated on the T1 side of the airport, no doubt after the terminal is made large enough to accommodate all of the airlines.

Given the appallingly inept management of PER by WAC I wouldn't bet on the entire consolidation even happening. I'll believe it when I actually see it being built.

This is the same WAC who has runways at capacity but leased land on the intended site of the new PER runway for Industrial warehouses.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-07-19 02:07:54 and read 16232 times.

SQ will be adding a 2nd daily A380 to MEL from 16th August, 2012, operating SQ217/218. This will give MEL 2 X A380 and a 773 flight daily.

Very sudden news but great to see.

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 73):
It fantastic news for Brisbane, and now they have anounced AKL, Does anyone here think that maybe MEL might see HA start a service to here?

No I can't. It will look to further develop the SYD and BNE routes in Australia before it looks to MEL.

[Edited 2012-07-19 02:10:39]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-19 14:14:55 and read 15903 times.

Just out of curiosity, if PER gets its act together, could we potentially see SQ upgauge SQ223/226 to a 380?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-19 14:50:55 and read 15884 times.

BNE is to get former 733 VH-CZA through tonight on return to AKL.Now registered YR-BAC.
DPS-BNE-AKL today.

BEN Hi

SQ will go 4 daily from 30october.Not yet announced and all will be 772's.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: sydscott
Posted 2012-07-19 15:53:49 and read 15838 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 82):
SQ will be adding a 2nd daily A380 to MEL from 16th August, 2012, operating SQ217/218. This will give MEL 2 X A380 and a 773 flight daily.

Very sudden news but great to see.

It seems SQ is keen to hit back at EK's A380 expansion plans and maybe even get in first. Good news for MEL!

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 83):
Just out of curiosity, if PER gets its act together, could we potentially see SQ upgauge SQ223/226 to a 380?

I'd doubt that. I would say the frequency of ops would be increased rather than upgauging aircraft.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 84):
SQ will go 4 daily from 30october.Not yet announced and all will be 772's.

I'd have thought the A330 would have been a better choice?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-07-20 07:36:03 and read 15388 times.

Curious as to how has QF's move from SYD-EZE to SYD-SCL gone?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-20 07:49:05 and read 15389 times.

QF has unveiled a new marketing campaign, which will premiere on TV this coming Sunday.

Full story and links to the ad on YouTube are available here on AusBT.

I really don't like it. It lacks character and is really generic/boring -- way too much grey and a really disjointed message overall I think (I'm hardly an expert though...)

But I'm still interested to see what comes next in the series.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-07-20 20:13:54 and read 15171 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 86):
Curious as to how has QF's move from SYD-EZE to SYD-SCL gone?

QF will increase frequency on the route to 4x weekly during December and January. Also, LAN is experiencing very strong demand on the SCL-AKL-SYD route and is very eager to increase flights into both Australia and New Zealand. When the SCL-MAD-FRA route operates with the B-787s, it will free up two A343s. It will allow LAN to add additional capacity into AKL and SYD.

Quote:
Mr Scokin says LAN will use its first batch of 787-8s to free up A340-300s to expand its operation to New Zealand and Australia. LAN now has a fleet of five A340-300s. Essentially two aircraft are used to operate six weekly flights on the Santiago-Auckland-Sydney route while the Santiago-Madrid-Frankfurt route requires the use of another two aircraft and the fifth A340 is used on Santiago-Lima-Los Angeles. Mr Scokin says LAN sees growing demand from Australia and New Zealand to Chile as well as other South American destinations, particularly Brazil. LAN recently completed its merger with Brazilian carrier TAM. “We are looking at shifting capacity from Europe into Australia when we get the 787s,” Mr Scokin explains. “We would like to grow [in Australia and New Zealand]. We are very anxious to grow but we are [now] restricted from an aircraft capacity. We will do so as soon as we can.”
Air India, China Southern, Ethiopian, LAN, Qatar and United all near 787 deliveries

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: zkokq
Posted 2012-07-20 20:57:11 and read 15110 times.

Was just down at BNE. KC10 has come in for a quick stop. Parked at the end of The international terminal. Was sensational to see it taxing.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF15
Posted 2012-07-20 23:15:46 and read 15009 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 88):
QF will increase frequency on the route to 4x weekly during December and January. Also, LAN is experiencing very strong demand on the SCL-AKL-SYD route and is very eager to increase flights into both Australia and New Zealand. When the SCL-MAD-FRA route operates with the B-787s, it will free up two A343s. It will allow LAN to add additional capacity into AKL and SYD.

Great news for both LAN and QF (also oneworld too) on the South American front..

With LAN wanting to expand it's presence in the region wouldn't it make sense for them to open a second Australian port rather than add more SYD flights?? If so id imagine they'd fly to MEL or possibly BNE, tho still via AKL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-07-20 23:55:13 and read 14932 times.

Quoting QF15 (Reply 90):
With LAN wanting to expand it's presence in the region wouldn't it make sense for them to open a second Australian port rather than add more SYD flights??

LAN decreased frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route to 6x weekly so that QF could increase its LF on the new SYD-SCL route. However, LAN's LFs on the SCL-AKL-SYD route is exceeding 95% and AR no longer serves AKL; thus LAN plans to increase frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route. LAN has also shown an interest in linking LIM with SYD. LAN views SYD as a vital destination since it's a oneworld hub and offers connections to destinations in Asia.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: RAGAZZO777
Posted 2012-07-21 00:13:47 and read 14876 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 91):
However, LAN's LFs on the SCL-AKL-SYD route is exceeding 95% and AR no longer serves AKL; thus LAN plans to increase frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route. LAN has also shown an interest in linking LIM with SYD. LAN views SYD as a vital destination since it's a oneworld hub and offers connections to destinations in Asia.

Wouldn't it be great if LP operated LIM-AKL-MEL with those A340s ? That way Aussie and Kiwi passengers would have yet another option to reach South America.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-07-21 00:57:03 and read 14796 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 92):
Wouldn't it be great if LP operated LIM-AKL-MEL with those A340s ? That way Aussie and Kiwi passengers would have yet another option to reach South America.

Could provide an option for AKL to be a scissor hub, with MEL and SYD flights going via AKL to LIM and SCL. This will give pax further options, along with having a POD to QF.

I don't think it will happen, but the idea seems like a good one to consider.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-07-21 01:10:38 and read 14761 times.

Quoting RAGAZZO777 (Reply 92):
Wouldn't it be great if LP operated LIM-AKL-MEL with those A340s ? That way Aussie and Kiwi passengers would have yet another option to reach South America.

LAN offers connections to certain destinations within Australia via AKL on QF:
QF741 AKL-ADL
QF774 ADL-AKL
QF124 AKL-BNE
QF123 BNE-AKL
QF924 AKL-CNS
QF927 CNS-AKL
QF132 AKL-MEL
QF135 MEL-AKL
QF142 AKL-SYD
QF055 SYD-AKL

LAN also offers connections to Asia via SYD on flights operated by QF, BA, CX, and JL:
QF023 SYD-BKK
QF024 BKK-SYD
QF129 SYD-PVG
QF130 PVG-SYD
QF005 SYD-SIN
QF006 SIN-SYD
CX162 SYD-HKG
CX111 HKG-SYD
JL771 NRT-SYD
JL772 SYD-NRT

Perhaps LAN will code-share on BA, CX, JL, and QF operated flights via SYD in the future and QF will code-share on LAN operated flights via SCL, i.e. SCL-AEP, SCL-BOG, SCL-COR, SCL-EZE, SCL-GIG, SCL-GRU, SCL-GYE, SCL-LIM, SCL-MDZ, SCL-MVD, etc.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-21 07:29:33 and read 14493 times.

QF has gone from this....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11nvoPnV_sM&feature=relmfu

To this...

http://www.youtube.com/user/Qantas?v=k-9MIvUOcxE

Okay, QF is currently transforming and reestablishing it self but personally I am disappointed in the new theme...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-21 11:04:50 and read 14433 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
QF741 AKL-ADL
QF774 ADL-AKL
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
QF924 AKL-CNS
QF927 CNS-AKL

QF dont operate these routes.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: tayser
Posted 2012-07-21 15:54:12 and read 14353 times.

yeah, they're not in the international flight range (under 400) - they're SYD-ADL and SYD-CNS flights

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-07-21 17:57:04 and read 14277 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
CX162 SYD-HKG
CX111 HKG-SYD

Interesting to see if someone would choose to go SCL-AKL-SYD-HKG over the other codeshare LA and CX have between AKL and HKG!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-07-21 21:06:14 and read 14139 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 91):
LAN decreased frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route to 6x weekly so that QF could increase its LF on the new SYD-SCL route. However, LAN's LFs on the SCL-AKL-SYD route is exceeding 95% and AR no longer serves AKL; thus LAN plans to increase frequency on the SCL-AKL-SYD route.

I wonder in the period QF go 4 weekly weather LAN could add 3 additional AKL-SYD flights making SYD double daily with QF 4 weekly and LAN 10 weekly via AKL. Maybe LAN could do a daylight flight.

SCL 0930 AKL 1400 1530 SYD 1700
SYD 1830 AKL 2345 0115 SCL 2030

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-07-21 21:35:13 and read 14112 times.

^^ I would think that adding a 2nd destination would be a better option. Trying to funnel traffic through one city is all well and good, but opening new markets may add more value. Opening MEL, for example, gives a new destination for pax, with a same plane service.

If LA decides to create a route to LIM, this could be an even better opportunity to attempt this.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: DavidByrne
Posted 2012-07-21 22:44:37 and read 14059 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 99):
Maybe LAN could do a daylight flight.

SCL 0930 AKL 1400 1530 SYD 1700
SYD 1830 AKL 2345 0115 SCL 2030

That might be fine if the main traffic was to and from SCL, but there would be many fewer possible connections at SCL with that schedule. Personally, I think that expansion should be along the lines of a LIM-AKL-MEL flight operating a scissor hub with SCL-AKL-SYD at AKL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: zkokq
Posted 2012-07-22 00:35:41 and read 14041 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 100):
^^ I would think that adding a 2nd destination would be a better option. Trying to funnel traffic through one city is all well and good, but opening new markets may add more value. Opening MEL, for example, gives a new destination for pax, with a same plane service.

I agree. either MEL or BNE. You cant do what Qantas is doing and force all your traffic via SYD.

SYD != whole of Australia

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: TruemanQLD
Posted 2012-07-22 02:30:52 and read 13926 times.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 102):
You cant do what Qantas is doing and force all your traffic via SYD.

God this has been discussed to death but QF isn't forcing anyone. Don't like it? Don't fly QF then. QF also has plenty of routes from MEL/BNE/PER.... but this has been discussed many times before so I will leave it at that.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-22 04:10:20 and read 13801 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 94):
LAN offers connections to certain destinations within Australia via AKL on QF:

From LAN's flights, the only Oneworld one stop connections into Australia are SYD, MEL, BNE and OOL (on JQ IIRC).

If you are disloyal to your alliance, NZ would link you to CNS, ADL, PER in addition to the above.

FWIW.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: VH-BZF
Posted 2012-07-22 04:22:43 and read 13809 times.

A mate of mine down in Melbourne, said that on the news there tonight, Air India have finally requested proposals for ground handling and that they plan 4 services direct to Melbourne from Delhi and 3 services a week via Sydney. So AI to share their services to Australia via both MEL & SYD?

We'll believe when we see it though I know!

BZF

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-22 04:35:18 and read 13773 times.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 103):
God this has been discussed to death but QF isn't forcing anyone. Don't like it? Don't fly QF then. QF also has plenty of routes from MEL/BNE/PER.... but this has been discussed many times before so I will leave it at that.

Well said.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-22 05:14:03 and read 13724 times.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 105):
We'll believe when we see it though I know!

I'll believe it when I see it and when AI sign a check for the 3 Boeing 787 Dreamliners awaiting delivery!

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: allrite
Posted 2012-07-22 06:39:35 and read 13650 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 87):
QF has unveiled a new marketing campaign, which will premiere on TV this coming Sunday.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 95):
Okay, QF is currently transforming and reestablishing it self but personally I am disappointed in the new theme...

Watched the preview on Friday (forget to click submit!) and saw it tonight. I preferred Lisa Gerrard's music (from Gladiator) to Daniel John's effort, which doesn't quite capture the soaring spirit of flight. Plus the visuals were disappointing, particularly the cliched surfing theme. I half expected the female surfer at the end to turn around and ask "So where the bloody hell are ya?"   Qantas need to provoke some enthusiasm, not channel the same lack of inspiration that blights the rest of the Australian tourist industry.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-22 22:21:53 and read 13338 times.

Quoting allrite (Reply 108):
Quoting allrite (Reply 108):
Qantas need to provoke some enthusiasm, not channel the same lack of inspiration that blights the rest of the Australian tourist industry.

its not about telling a story, we dont need to fill our planes, they are constantly full! and over the years we have shown what our product is, so this time we need to get a bit more personable, and make it all about our customer, what we need to do is keep our pax.
This tv ad show the scenes of many australians, in a diversified way, Young - Old, City - Country, Man - Woman... it fits the new slogan 'We fly people, not planes' It works.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Marara
Posted 2012-07-22 22:58:12 and read 13292 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 109):
This tv ad show the scenes of many australians, in a diversified way, Young - Old, City - Country, Man - Woman... it fits the new slogan 'We fly people, not planes' It works.

Sounds and looks like a lame attempt at damage control after the grounding last year where they neither flew people nor planes. Its now been long enough for them to try to start to work on fixing their image... we all remember what happened with 'QantasLuxury'

Unfortunately they're going to have to do a whole lot better than the theme to the 1995 version of casper and a couple of random shots of people walking on a beach and idiots who've forgotten to secure their load. Total waste of time and money. if it weren't for the kangaroo at the end I could be watching an ad for the latest Chris Lilley comedy.

Stick to advertising your products and staff. I don't buy products because they were made for me to buy - I already know that. I buy them because they best meet my needs or the company has convinced me I want it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-22 23:04:50 and read 13297 times.

Quoting Marara (Reply 110):
Sounds and looks like a lame attempt at damage control after the grounding last year where they neither flew people nor planes.

I didn't think that at all. I think it's a pretty good ad. I loved the shot of the blokes with the lost load. It happens.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-23 00:07:20 and read 13224 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 111):
Quoting Marara (Reply 110):
Sounds and looks like a lame attempt at damage control after the grounding last year where they neither flew people nor planes.

I didn't think that at all. I think it's a pretty good ad. I loved the shot of the blokes with the lost load. It happens.

mariner


I understand QF left it's loyal passengers stranded and probably should've approached the situation from another angle but do we really need to brag on about the grounding...? QF is facing immense pressure from the unions and national carriers subsidized by their government how do you compete in such an environment... The airline is attempting to capture the trust of the traveling public and I hope they accomplish it...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Marara
Posted 2012-07-23 00:24:08 and read 13214 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 112):
I understand QF left it's loyal passengers stranded and probably should've approached the situation from another angle but do we really need to brag on about the grounding...? QF is facing immense pressure from the unions and national carriers subsidized by their government how do you compete in such an environment... The airline is attempting to capture the trust of the traveling public and I hope they accomplish it...

Certainly do. The whole reason for this advertisement is the grounding. Would be stupid not to discuss it. When you leave your clients in the lurch like they did Ithink its a bit much to turn around and then say that 'you're the reason we fly'

As much as the spin masters in mascot would love for what happened to be swept under the carpet and for all to be forgiven... its not going to happen anytime soon. The money should have been spent on a campaign talking about their OTP which they claim has beaten the other carriers.....

How QF competes and deals with its industrial relations means nothing to me... if they don't... I fly with Virgin. Simple.

[Edited 2012-07-23 00:25:44]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-23 00:38:26 and read 13186 times.

Quoting Marara (Reply 113):
When you leave your clients in the lurch like they did Ithink its a bit much to turn around and then say that 'you're the reason we fly'

I think that's true.

The grounding brought to an end the savage union actions at Qantas. I think Mr. Joyce was thinking of the passengers - the unions certainly weren't.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-23 01:09:17 and read 13135 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 114):
I think that's true.

The grounding brought to an end the savage union actions at Qantas. I think Mr. Joyce was thinking of the passengers - the unions certainly weren't.

mariner

        

Just hope the airline spins around and returns to profitability... QF International that is...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: VH-BZF
Posted 2012-07-23 03:09:14 and read 12990 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 109):
its not about telling a story, we dont need to fill our planes, they are constantly full! and over the years we have shown what our product is, so this time we need to get a bit more personable, and make it all about our customer, what we need to do is keep our pax.
This tv ad show the scenes of many australians, in a diversified way, Young - Old, City - Country, Man - Woman... it fits the new slogan 'We fly people, not planes' It works.

     

Quoting mariner (Reply 114):
The grounding brought to an end the savage union actions at Qantas. I think Mr. Joyce was thinking of the passengers - the unions certainly weren't.

Well Said!
        

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: AusA380
Posted 2012-07-23 03:37:35 and read 12929 times.

I am not sure I agree.

Was flying with QF prior to the grounding - like most frequent traveller (although a little less frequent at the time), you get to understand the methods and approaches and work around it. The grounding of the airline was not predictable and not able to be worked around.

Moved my small business to VA, and a number of my clients who I have discussed this issue with have done likewise. VA is not perfect but I am happy with my new relationship (my QFF card talks about member since 1988, and I go back before that on their prior domestic airline).

I have seen the advert, and is seems lame, insipid and lacking inspiration. I struggled to find any meaning in it.

Some might say I have blinkers on now - but surely I am the type of business passenger QF would be wanting. All my travel with VA this year has been in Business Class.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-23 04:34:00 and read 12845 times.

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 117):
Was flying with QF prior to the grounding - like most frequent traveller (although a little less frequent at the time), you get to understand the methods and approaches and work around it. The grounding of the airline was not predictable and not able to be worked around.

Moved my small business to VA, and a number of my clients who I have discussed this issue with have done likewise.

The grounding was always going to have a negative effect, but the alternative was worse. Has everyone forgotten the "slow bake" that the unions promised?

I like Virgin Australia a lot, I've just flown 'em twice - but I don't like 'em quite as much as I did last year.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-07-23 07:25:27 and read 12728 times.

Quoting Marara (Reply 110):
Sounds and looks like a lame attempt at damage control after the grounding last year where they neither flew people nor planes. Its now been long enough for them to try to start to work on fixing their image... we all remember what happened with 'QantasLuxury'

Unfortunately they're going to have to do a whole lot better than the theme to the 1995 version of casper and a couple of random shots of people walking on a beach and idiots who've forgotten to secure their load. Total waste of time and money. if it weren't for the kangaroo at the end I could be watching an ad for the latest Chris Lilley comedy.

Stick to advertising your products and staff. I don't buy products because they were made for me to buy - I already know that. I buy them because they best meet my needs or the company has convinced me I want it

Without the grounding, do you think QF would be releasing this new advertising? Simple answer, No, it probably wouldnt be here! AJ had the thoughts of his passengers at the forefront! And QF has come out stronger than ever before, Passenger satisfaction is at the highest it has been since 2004. Our planes are full, our staff are happy. There is nothing QF can do with that small percentage, such as yourself, that left virgin when they pilfered what passengers they could from QF whilst they were down. Enjoy the Journey, im sure you will be back.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-23 08:55:28 and read 12743 times.

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 117):
Some might say I have blinkers on now - but surely I am the type of business passenger QF would be wanting. All my travel with VA this year has been in Business Class.

I flew Virgin SYD-PER for the first time last night, their product is absolutely AMAZING (I got lucky and had VH-XFD with the new lie-flat beds). Extremely helpful, professional, sophisticated crew and the cabin was absolutely immaculate. Love all the little details- the fact each meal is brought out on a circular glass plate (not a plastic TV-dinner tray) individually by the flight attendants, the neon purple trays, the cabin crew personally introducing themselves, Business class-only announcements over the loudspeaker... it's just such a fresh experience and it leaves you wanting to fly with them again.

Virgin's marketing strategy is pretty much flawless. They've created a modern, sophisticated, fresh atmosphere and look for the company through the advertising strategies they've chosen and it's consistent across all areas of the airline. Playing up on being young and hip in contrast to Qantas' tired and damaged image was a very, very smart move.

QF really needs to start taking Virgin seriously, learn a thing or two from their marketing strategy and find their own strengths to play on. I think it would be absolutely incredible to see a return of "I Still Call Australia Home" to bring back that patriotic, nostalgic spirit QF used to have. This new campaign is good in theory, but horrible in practice. Where is an A380? The Skybeds? The beautiful Australian flight attendants? Premium Economy? It just lacks emotion and soul and tries too hard. It could honestly be an ad for anything.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-23 12:40:28 and read 12704 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 120):
Virgin's marketing strategy is pretty much flawless. They've created a modern, sophisticated, fresh atmosphere and look for the company through the advertising strategies they've chosen and it's consistent across all areas of the airline. Playing up on being young and hip in contrast to Qantas' tired and damaged image was a very, very smart move.

I just flew Virgin Australia PER-MEL - and it was fine, but it was just standard airline service - good, but not a whole more than that.

I then flew MEL-PER premium economy - which cost almost as much as Air NZ's Works de luxe AKL-PER - and didn't give me any more value.

I don't like the Luke Mangan food (except the meat pie) and Virgin's rush to be more and more American irritates me. I thought it was an Australian airline.

mariner

[Edited 2012-07-23 13:02:51]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZuluAlpha
Posted 2012-07-23 15:04:39 and read 12602 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 121):
Virgin's rush to be more and more American irritates me

I'm seeking some help here, how is it becoming more and more American?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: AusA380
Posted 2012-07-23 15:17:53 and read 12582 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 121):
Virgin's rush to be more and more American irritates me

Hi Mariner, interested in what you mean by more an more American.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-23 15:23:01 and read 12611 times.

Quoting ZuluAlpha (Reply 122):
I'm seeking some help here, how is it becoming more and more American?

It irritates me that they now use that coy American euphemism "rest rooms" - I dunno about you, but I don't go in there to "rest."

It irritates me that f/a's now can't use "mate" - unless the passenger specifically requests it on their FF profile. So I have specifically requested it on my FF profile. Do they really believe that even upmarket foreigners won't be called mate" when they are in Australia?

It irritates me they are taking the pool table out of the Melbourne lounge. I like a game of pool.

Even Virgin Australia are aware of the dangers:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...-stop-calling-passengers-mate.html

"“We are not creating clones and we are not creating straitjackets for people,” said Mark Hassell, from Virgin Australia. “We want to retain of the spirit that exists within Virgin service style and service behaviour but put it in a context that is equally relevant for business-purpose and corporate travelers.”

I suppose Luke Mangan's meat pie - the only think I like on his menu - will be the next to go.

mariner

[Edited 2012-07-23 15:26:30]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ben175
Posted 2012-07-23 16:14:39 and read 12565 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 124):
It irritates me that f/a's now can't use "mate" - unless the passenger specifically requests it on their FF profile. So I have specifically requested it on my FF profile. Do they really believe that even upmarket foreigners won't be called mate" when they are in Australia?

Our CSM addressed all the women as "darling", but I don't think I have ever been addressed as "mate" on a plane before anyways.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-23 16:22:25 and read 12558 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 125):
Our CSM addressed all the women as "darling", but I don't think I have ever been addressed as "mate" on a plane before anyways.

Once, I was in Africa for two months, in a war zone on the Kenya/Uganda border writing about two of the world's most primitive tribes. It was fairly hairy - the mission station was bombed and I was nearly shot - and I was concerned about "getting out."

I did get out, after some problems, and got to London for my flight home. As I boarded the Qantas aircraft, the first class steward said: "G'day, mate - welcome home."

They were the sweetest words I'd heard in quite a while.

Every step Virgin Australia - that was Virgin Blue - takes away from its "Australian-ness" is a step further away from me. It becomes just another airline.

mariner

[Edited 2012-07-23 16:37:40]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: DJMEL
Posted 2012-07-24 01:33:07 and read 12311 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 124):
It irritates me they are taking the pool table out of the Melbourne lounge. I like a game of pool.

mariner - thanks for your long term custom - obvouisly you have not been into Virgin Australia Melbourne Lounge for sometime - the pool table was removed over 16 months when the Lounge was refurbished!!!!


Quoting Ben175 (Reply 120):
I flew Virgin SYD-PER for the first time last night, their product is absolutely AMAZING (I got lucky and had VH-XFD with the new lie-flat beds). Extremely helpful, professional, sophisticated crew and the cabin was absolutely immaculate. Love all the little details- the fact each meal is brought out on a circular glass plate (not a plastic TV-dinner tray) individually by the flight attendants, the neon purple trays, the cabin crew personally introducing themselves, Business class-only announcements over the loudspeaker... it's just such a fresh experience and it leaves you wanting to fly with them again.

Virgin's marketing strategy is pretty much flawless. They've created a modern, sophisticated, fresh atmosphere and look for the company through the advertising strategies they've chosen and it's consistent across all areas of the airline. Playing up on being young and hip in contrast to Qantas' tired and damaged image was a very, very smart move.

Ben175 - Glad You enjoyed the brand new A330 Guest Experience on VH-XFD Bells Beach!!!! Hope you had a Glass or two of Lanson Black Label!!!

Quoting AusA380 (Reply 117):
I am not sure I agree.

Was flying with QF prior to the grounding - like most frequent traveller (although a little less frequent at the time), you get to understand the methods and approaches and work around it. The grounding of the airline was not predictable and not able to be worked around.

Moved my small business to VA, and a number of my clients who I have discussed this issue with have done likewise. VA is not perfect but I am happy with my new relationship (my QFF card talks about member since 1988, and I go back before that on their prior domestic airline).

I have seen the advert, and is seems lame, insipid and lacking inspiration. I struggled to find any meaning in it.

Some might say I have blinkers on now - but surely I am the type of business passenger QF would be wanting. All my travel with VA this year has been in Business Class.

AusA380 - Thank You for Your support of Virgin Australia and I hope you are enjoying Mr Borghetti's New Business Class.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-24 02:29:03 and read 12214 times.

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 127):
mariner - thanks for your long term custom - obvouisly you have not been into Virgin Australia Melbourne Lounge for sometime - the pool table was removed over 16 months when the Lounge was refurbished!!!!

That would be about when I was last in there. I've been at SYD since then.

I thought I would be in there a couple of weeks ago when I was flying MEL-AKL - but I was told that PE no longer get lounge access.

mariner

[Edited 2012-07-24 02:31:42]

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-07-24 02:41:01 and read 12198 times.

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 101):
That might be fine if the main traffic was to and from SCL, but there would be many fewer possible connections at SCL with that schedule. Personally, I think that expansion should be along the lines of a LIM-AKL-MEL flight operating a scissor hub with SCL-AKL-SYD at AKL.

I think a second flight may initially be seasonal which could pick up mainly SCL traffic. They did have a flight similarly timed to what I suggested above at one stage I do agree with your secound point going foward though that a scissor hub at AKL could be good once a week and just SCL-AKL.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-07-24 03:01:00 and read 12174 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 129):
I think a second flight may initially be seasonal which could pick up mainly SCL traffic.

Besides SCL traffic, Brazilian. Peruvian and Argentine customers are increasingly traveling on LAN's SCL-AKL-SYD service. Especially to connect onwards to HKG via AKL, and also to other destinations in Asia via SYD. Also, pax from SYD and AKL connect onwards mainly to BUE, GIG, GRU, and LIM via SCL. Of course LAN offers multiple daily connections to these destinations throughout the day via SCL. For example, LAN operates SCL-BUE 10x daily, SCL-GIG 2x daily, SCL-LIM 8x daily, and LATAM operates SCL-GRU 7x daily.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-07-24 03:28:48 and read 12093 times.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 120):
QF really needs to start taking Virgin seriously, learn a thing or two from their marketing strategy and find their own strengths to play on. I think it would be absolutely incredible to see a return of "I Still Call Australia Home" to bring back that patriotic, nostalgic spirit QF used to have. This new campaign is good in theory, but horrible in practice. Where is an A380? The Skybeds? The beautiful Australian flight attendants? Premium Economy? It just lacks emotion and soul and tries too hard. It could honestly be an ad for anything.

Qantas was in damage control as soon as they gave JB the boot... Big mistake and now they are paying the price...

I've said it many times before and say it again, JB was the man for the top job at QF and his certainly shown it at VA...

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-07-24 03:30:28 and read 12099 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 130):
Besides SCL traffic, Brazilian. Peruvian and Argentine customers are increasingly traveling on LAN's SCL-AKL-SYD service.

Any idea on a potential schedule for additional flights?

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 130):
Especially to connect onwards to HKG via AKL,

Interestingly CX have reduced AKL to daily from 10 weekly for the current Northern Summer which is obviously the low season in NZ and Australia so LAN pax to AKL going to HKG have to wait from 0435 till 1310 or vv from 1145 to 1610. For the Northern Winter high season in NZ CX will go double daily again from DEC 1st till March 1st though both flights with A343s this year rather than the 744 which usually operates 1 flight and the A343 the other.

Atleast in NZ summer LAN pax have shorter connections to/from HKG 0435-0900 and 1310-1610.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-07-24 03:44:35 and read 12074 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 132):
Any idea on a potential schedule for additional flights?

LAN hasn't mentioned anything except that it plans to increase flights into both AKL and SYD after the SCL-MAD-FRA route operates with the B-787s; which frees up 2 A343s.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 132):
Interestingly CX have reduced AKL to daily from 10 weekly for the current Northern Summer which is obviously the low season in NZ and Australia so LAN pax to AKL going to HKG have to wait from 0435 till 1310 or vv from 1145 to 1610.

Passengers have other options and can also connect onto CX via SYD. Also, LAN and CX code-share on other flights besides the SCL-AKL-SYD and AKL-HKG routes. CX code-shares on LA's SCL-JFK, SCL-LIM-JFK, SCL-LIM-LAX, and LP's LIM-LAX and LIM-SFO routes. LA code-shares on CX's JFK-HKG, LAX-HKG and SFO-HKG routes. I just flew SCL-JFK-HKG-JFK-SCL on LA/CX and the connections are perfectly timed.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mal787
Posted 2012-07-24 04:08:00 and read 12024 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 131):
I've said it many times before and say it again, JB was the man for the top job at QF and his certainly shown it at VA...

Interesting thought , But what would JB have done with the unions, and all the other issues QF have on the International front etc?

Mal787

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-07-24 04:17:15 and read 12041 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 134):
Interesting thought , But what would JB have done with the unions, and all the other issues QF have on the International front etc?

In my opinion, the two outstanding CEO's in global aviation are John Borghetti at Virgin Australia and Mark Dunkerley at Hawaiian Airlines.

And they both enjoy a very productive relationship with their workforces. I don't think that's an accident or a coincidence: I think staff engagement is the key requirement for positive change in most organisational settings.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-24 04:38:55 and read 11999 times.

Quoting mal787 (Reply 134):
But what would JB have done with the unions, and all the other issues QF have on the International front etc?

Bingo!

Borghetti came to an airline that needed to expand and a workforce that wanted a direction, and he gave it to them.

Joyce came to an airline whose profits disguised its underlying problems and a workforce that was demoralized and aggressively bloody-minded, in part because of the aborted Qantas sale and the perceived greed of the Board.

Joyce got the short straw.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-24 04:59:17 and read 11952 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 131):
Qantas was in damage control as soon as they gave JB the boot... Big mistake and now they are paying the price...

I've said it many times before and say it again, JB was the man for the top job at QF and his certainly shown it at VA...
Quoting mal787 (Reply 134):
Quoting koruman (Reply 135):

We should judge executives based on their performance in the difficult times rather than the good times.

JB is yet to demonstrate that he can do a good job when the going gets tough. It's not as though he has saved DJ from going bust -- he had a large pool of resources to do virtually whatever he wanted to do with. Pulling together a glossy brand and buying some new planes is not a measure of his success as an Executive, especially given that the financial results of the company have been poor every year since he took over.

AJ has done an excellent job with QF so far IMO. It'll be interesting to see if he can turn International around -- if he does then my view will be confirmed.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mal787
Posted 2012-07-24 05:30:16 and read 11921 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 136):
Borghetti came to an airline that needed to expand and a workforce that wanted a direction, and he gave it to them.

Joyce came to an airline whose profits disguised its underlying problems and a workforce that was demoralized and aggressively bloody-minded, in part because of the aborted Qantas sale and the perceived greed of the Board.

Exactly

Exactly

JB with money and drive to change a nothing(my view) airline into a revitalised / re invented airline nothing like the former

AJ trying to save a once great airline ( and still great in my view) from industrial issues, and carriers with lower costings and ridiculous traffic rights into the country with equally ridiculous 5th freedom . Why does EK have 94? slots with no O&D traffic,yes they create employment, but at what cost to Australian owned companies

mal787

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-07-24 17:23:59 and read 11730 times.

Didn't see it posted on here; AC will be increasing their SYD service to 10weekly over the southern summer from the 16th of December through until the 30 of January. Good to see even a seasonal increase!

With regard to plans to fit Ipads to the QF 767s, what ever happened to fitting the business class seats with red leather? I believe one 737 was fitted (perhaps a JetConnect one) were these covers removed or did they not wear or look good? I personally think the QF domestic business cabins could do with a refresh, with a bit more colour wouldn't hurt.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-24 17:52:12 and read 11697 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 139):
I believe one 737 was fitted (perhaps a JetConnect one) were these covers removed or did they not wear or look good? I personally think the QF domestic business cabins could do with a refresh, with a bit more colour wouldn't hurt.

The Red Leather Business seats are in all of the new Boeing Sky Interior 737's delivered from November last year. So there should be a few of them flying around by now. Having said that, be it leather cover or cloth, it's more about the comfort than the look of the seat in my humble opinion.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 137):
It'll be interesting to see if he can turn International around -- if he does then my view will be confirmed.

And that, unfortunately, for Alan Joyce will be virtually the sole judgement on his tenure as CEO. Jetstar can continue to be the roaring success that it is, Frequent Flyer Program and Domestic mainline and rake in the cash, but if International is still losing money in 3 or 4 years time then AJ will be deemed a failure.

Still it'll be interesting to see what happens later in the year with the whole Qatar vs Emirates thing. There is an interesting article on CAPA about Oneworld, Middle Eastern Airlines and how it's probably more advantageous for BA/IB to work with QR while QF teams up with Emirates. So i think AJ has an important and fundmentally transformational decision coming up. One which could shake up QF International far more than anything he has done to date.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-24 21:08:22 and read 11558 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 139):
what ever happened to fitting the business class seats with red leather?

If the supposed 767 refurbishments go ahead, then I imagine they will be the next to get the new seats. The JQ A330's will also be refurbished and fitted with new QF seats before they return to domestic.

The Jetconnect aircraft all have the grey fabric, but are rotating through maintenance for the next little while -- given that the seat it the same, we could also potentially see them reenter service with the new leather covers as well.

It's just taking a while...

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 140):
And that, unfortunately, for Alan Joyce will be virtually the sole judgement on his tenure as CEO.

Correct, and I agree that it's a bit of a shame.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-07-24 21:31:00 and read 11531 times.

11 diversions to BNE today due to SYD fog.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-24 22:27:44 and read 11485 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 141):
Correct, and I agree that it's a bit of a shame.

Personally I think it'll be far more interesting to see what Jetstar looks like in 3 to 4 years time than QF International. With 788's along with 24 A320's in Japan, probably more, plus NEO's it'll be a much larger and much more diverse airline than any other Australian Headquartered Carrier. If it is then AJ would deserve a share of the credit but, alas, a failed QF International will deny him of it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-24 23:08:16 and read 11399 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 131):
Qantas was in damage control as soon as they gave JB the boot... Big mistake and now they are paying the price...

I've said it many times before and say it again, JB was the man for the top job at QF and his certainly shown it at VA...

In spite of others comments, I think this is about right. When did you first say it?

Quoting mal787 (Reply 134):
Interesting thought , But what would JB have done with the unions, and all the other issues QF have on the International front etc?

Perhaps not provoked them so much! Geoff Dixon did his share of union busting too, without the same level of fallout which has already occurred under AJ. Whether it has completely ended or just waiting for the FWA hearings remains to be seen.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-24 23:44:49 and read 11356 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 144):
Geoff Dixon did his share of union busting too, without the same level of fallout which has already occurred under AJ.

Both Geoff Dixon, and James Strong for that matter, kicked the can down the road when it came to making tough decisions on the Unions. Sure there was bluff and bluster but at the end of the day Alan Joyce and Leigh Clifford have been left to tidy up once the good times stopped rolling post GFC. We'll never know what John Borghetti would have done with the Unions. But when Union leaders are out in public talking down the safety or your airline, talking of "slow baking" your operations, calling regular stop work meetings which were putting the schedule and your customers into disarray, what else could have been done? If JB had been in the top job at Qantas he would have ended up in exactly the same position as Alan Joyce facing militant Unions intent on rolling, again, the CEO. The only question is how long he would have let it go on until he said enough was enough.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 131):
Qantas was in damage control as soon as they gave JB the boot... Big mistake and now they are paying the price...

I've said it many times before and say it again, JB was the man for the top job at QF and his certainly shown it at VA...

What exactly has he shown at VA that's different to Qantas?

- Business Class?
- Lounges?
- International Alliances?
- New marketing initiatives?
- Widebodies on Domestic Routes?
- Regional Services on turboprops?
- Chasing the Corporate Market?

Isn't this just a clone of Qantas with a different name and cost structure? I'm not seeing the "difference" in what he's done at Virgin compared to what Qantas is or has already.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, what Qantas needs right here, right now is an Executive who calls a spade a spade and isn't afraid to make tought decisions. The man they have is Alan Joyce and he is the right person for the job. He's backed by a Chairman who has a steel backbone when it comes to dealing with Unions. The Union movement in doing what they did and waging the same style of campaign we've seen time after time when Qantas negotiates enterprise agreements fundamentally mis-judged their man. Alan Joyce called their bluff, acted within the law and shut them down. The reality is no-one cares what John Borghetti would have done because the board judged Alan Joyce the better pick to lead Qantas. A bloke with impeccable airline credentials and who grew the leading hybrid LCC carrier in the region from an idea to a reality. He inherited a "cow pat" sandwich and he's making the best of it.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-25 00:44:16 and read 11311 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
Both Geoff Dixon, and James Strong for that matter, kicked the can down the road when it came to making tough decisions on the Unions

Say what?

- LHR, BKK and/or AKL bases were established in their time
- "B" pay scale under another name was established (union members voted in favour of this in late 2007)
- JQ with a lower cost base established

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
But when Union leaders are out in public talking down the safety or your airline, talking of "slow baking" your operations, calling regular stop work meetings which were putting the schedule and your customers into disarray, what else could have been done?

Maybe it is AJ's antagonistic management style which caused these problems!

We'll never know for sure, we can only speculate.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
Isn't this just a clone of Qantas with a different name and cost structure?

That's one way of looking at it. Another is challenging QF on its own turf where it was previously a monopoly.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: StickShaker
Posted 2012-07-25 06:00:00 and read 11021 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
But when Union leaders are out in public talking down the safety or your airline, talking of "slow baking" your operations, calling regular stop work meetings which were putting the schedule and your customers into disarray, what else could have been done?

  

Very little was said by Govt and the media while all of the above was going on yet the grounding was seen as such an outrage. This personifies all that is wrong with IR in Aus at the moment.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
A bloke with impeccable airline credentials and who grew the leading hybrid LCC carrier in the region from an idea to a reality.

While all the attention is focused upon QF international's difficulties, JQ is set to become one of 2 or 3 major pan Asian LCC's in the box seat to exploit the expected 300 million plus middle class that will soon inhabit the region - way to go.



Cheers,
StickShaker

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-25 14:44:52 and read 10889 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 146):
Maybe it is AJ's antagonistic management style which caused these problems!

I thought the unions were highly antagonistic, classic bully boy stuff. And, like all bullies, they yelped and cried foul when Joyce hit back so hard.

I know the following statement is controversial with some here, but I'll go to my grave believing that at least some of the high testosterone union people thought that Joyce would be a pushover because he's gay.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-25 16:00:47 and read 10833 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 146):
Say what?

- LHR, BKK and/or AKL bases were established in their time
- "B" pay scale under another name was established (union members voted in favour of this in late 2007)
- JQ with a lower cost base established

Yes and we now know that;

- LHR ops are halved because of the termendous competitive pressure that Australia's liberal environment has given to the likes of EK etc.
- BKK is irrelevant to QF as anythng other than an Asian destination. It's no longer a significant stopover point.
- JQ was only able to be established because of the QF acquisition of Impulse Airlines. The Unions at QF didn't get a say in it and were essentially sidestepped at the time.

Specifically when it comes to the Engineers Union, both James Strong and Geoff Dixon caved in to Union demands after flight disruptions had begun. AJ didn't.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 146):
Maybe it is AJ's antagonistic management style which caused these problems!

And maybe it's people like Tony Sheldon who thought they could lead their workers out on strike at will, just like the good old days, who refused to negotiate in any sort of good faith. The baggage handlers are a classic case in point, the Union reached an accord with VA that had lower pay scales and higher productivity than the one they currently have at QF. When QF went to them and said it it's good enough for VA it's good enough for us yo got stop work meetings and threats from the unions. AJ did the right thing, called it as he saw it and pulled the plug on them. If closing your entire airline to make a point to your workforce isn't leadership then I don't know what is.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 146):
That's one way of looking at it. Another is challenging QF on its own turf where it was previously a monopoly.

I'm not hearing what he's doing differently to QF? People on this thread are singing his praises about his "vision". So I challenge you, what exactly is he doing differently? Cosying up to Air New Zealand? Hang on that sounds familiar as well...........

Quoting mariner (Reply 148):
And, like all bullies, they yelped and cried foul when Joyce hit back so hard.

They mis-judged their man.

Quoting mariner (Reply 148):
I know the following statement is controversial with some here, but I'll go to my grave believing that at least some of the high testosterone union people thought that Joyce would be a pushover because he's gay.

As much of a defender of Alan Joyce as I am, I'll disagree with you here Mariner. I think the Unions thought they had just another QF Executive to roll and they did their best to do it. The other factor that changed was also Leigh Clifford being Chairman so even if Alan Joyce didn't start off with a steel backbone, Leigh would have guided him to it. I think the Unions mis-judged them both in not only their determination to not have another classic round of standover tactics, but also mis-judged how far they were willing to go to not cave in or be seen to cave in to their demands. I don't think AJ being gay really had anything to do with it because I think the bully boys would have been out either way. But they mis-judged him, they mid-judged the Board and now they're in arbitration where they will be forced into settlement.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-25 16:13:21 and read 10808 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 149):
As much of a defender of Alan Joyce as I am, I'll disagree with you here Mariner.

I said the statements is "controversial." I agree with your assessment iof what happened, except that I think there was an added - and essential - element.

In my other life (Melbourne and Hollywood) I was a survivor of countless boardroom battles. I didn't win 'em all, but I won more than people thought I would - or should. When the chips were down I frequently encountered homophobia, some of It covert and some of it quite overt.

n my experience, what I have believe may have happened with Mr. Joyce - by some at least - is all too common.

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-25 17:12:31 and read 10763 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 150):
In my other life (Melbourne and Hollywood) I was a survivor of countless boardroom battles. I didn't win 'em all, but I won more than people thought I would - or should. When the chips were down I frequently encountered homophobia, some of It covert and some of it quite overt.

n my experience, what I have believe may have happened with Mr. Joyce - by some at least - is all too common.

I won't disagree with you. I think if people are going for the lowest common denominator then it comes up. But I think that even if it did play a part, fundamentally the Unions mis-judged how they thought their strategy would play. They did that because whatever opinion they had of Alan Joyce and the Qantas Board was based on an erroneous assumption that they didn't have the balls, if you'll excuse my crassness, to strong arm them back. Unfortunately for the Union they didn't predict the endgame that has come about which was entirely due to Alan Joyce. So if it did play a part, overtly or covertly, more fool them!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-07-25 17:14:52 and read 10946 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 151):
But I think that even if it did play a part, fundamentally the Unions mis-judged how they thought their strategy would play.

There we agree.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 151):
So if it did play a part, overtly or covertly, more fool them!

Indeed.  

mariner

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-25 21:03:28 and read 10798 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 149):
- LHR ops are halved because of the termendous competitive pressure that Australia's liberal environment has given to the likes of EK etc.

Or maybe they were halved because of mediocre management on the part of QF.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 149):
- BKK is irrelevant to QF as anythng other than an Asian destination. It's no longer a significant stopover point.

Are you really missing the point? BKK as a base was the point, not a destination!

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 149):
- JQ was only able to be established because of the QF acquisition of Impulse Airlines. The Unions at QF didn't get a say in it and were essentially sidestepped at the time.

Not convinced that this is a fact - JQ was founded in 2003, well after the Impulse acquisition. It no doubt proved an expedient way of doing it, but I have little doubt that a different way could have been found without Impulse. Qantaslink is made up of multiple companies and the ex-Impulse was only one.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-25 22:04:31 and read 10761 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 153):
Or maybe they were halved because of mediocre management on the part of QF.

Maybe that's also why LH, Austrian, BA, KLM etc etc have also stopped or significantly reduced flying into Australia?

Quoting thegeek (Reply 153):
Are you really missing the point? BKK as a base was the point, not a destination!

No I'm saying it's a silly point. Basing a few flight attendants in a base overseas is hardly a major achievement. It's standard practice if you look at just about any airline.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 153):
Not convinced that this is a fact - JQ was founded in 2003, well after the Impulse acquisition. It no doubt proved an expedient way of doing it, but I have little doubt that a different way could have been found without Impulse.

Here it is in black and white for you then;

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/02/25/1077676837831.html

Thanks to the Impulse Pilots, Geoff Dixon was essentially able to sidestep the QF Unions. He didn't have another entity with an Air Operators Certificate at hand and if he had wanted to do it from scratch it would have been much more complicated and allowed his Unions much more time to respond.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 153):
Qantaslink is made up of multiple companies and the ex-Impulse was only one.

You're right that Qantaslink is made up of multiple Company's. The question is how many wholely owned Qantaslink entities fly jets? The 717's are flown by Cobham, the F100's by Network Aviation. The "Qantaslink" entites, Eastern Australia Airlines and Sunstate, fly turboprops only. Now to turn a turboprop entity into a jet entity would again have been a relatively time consuming and expensive exercise which would have, again, given the Unions plenty more warning of what was happening. It also would have meant that existing Union Members at Qantaslink would have had to essentially break ranks with their Union colleagues in mainline. Bottomline, it wasn't going to happen. The only way it could have happened at the time was for QF to found a new entity or to use Impulse with its ready pool of pilots etc.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-07-25 22:05:38 and read 10750 times.

As uninteresting as it seems, QF General Counsel Brett Johnson has resigned, and is being replaced by Andrew Finch in November...

The interesting part comes when you read through the press release, the final paragraph of which reads:

"He has acted for Westpac when it bought Bank of Melbourne, OneSteel when it bought Smorgon Steel, Hutchison when it merged with Vodafone, for GPT in its response to proposals from Stockland and Lend Lease and the internalisation of its management to create its current structure, and Leighton Holdings on a variety of matters including the sale of the Henry Walker Elkin business and subsequent regulatory investigations."

Seems to be a very strong focus on somebody with experience in acquisitions and mergers here...

In (potentially) related news, AusBT is reporting that QF has confirmed that the airline is in talks with EK and other airlines regarding possible alliances...

Interesting times.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-25 22:25:50 and read 10703 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 154):
Basing a few flight attendants in a base overseas is hardly a major achievement. It's standard practice if you look at just about any airline.

Be that as it may, it hadn't been achieved up to that point (unless they back pedalled), and it was achieved with non Oz-union labour under local conditions rather than expanding the union's reach.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 154):
He didn't have another entity with an Air Operators Certificate at hand and if he had wanted to do it from scratch it would have been much more complicated and allowed his Unions much more time to respond.

I still think you are over-rating this one.

And what about establishing the B-scale for crews?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-25 23:46:04 and read 10644 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 156):
I still think you are over-rating this one.

And what about establishing the B-scale for crews?

You mean the older and more Senior crew members shafting future crew members by agreeing that while they kept their higher base pays future crews got lower base pays? That was self interest by existing crew members speaking rather than a reform. QF got what it wanted only by carving out existing crew at the time and, thus, bowing to Union demands at the time.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-07-26 00:59:55 and read 10516 times.

Better than bringing on more crew at unsustainable wages.

Wow, you really hate Dixon!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: gemuser
Posted 2012-07-26 05:26:40 and read 10257 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 156):
Quoting Sydscott (Reply 154):
He didn't have another entity with an Air Operators Certificate at hand and if he had wanted to do it from scratch it would have been much more complicated and allowed his Unions much more time to respond.

I still think you are over-rating this one.

No he is not!
While I was not personally involved, someone very close was and I lived a lot of, though not all.

I believe that Dixon did NOT know what he brought with Impulse. He only saw it originally as removing competition, hence the couple of years fluffing about with the Air? (what ever it was) thing. What Impulse had was one of the first and at the time one of the few workplace agreements that superseded any then current award. This made it just about impossible for the QF unions to be disruptive over it. It was registered, ironclad and fixed until it expired.
Dixon did eventually realise this and utilized it by "changing the name of the company to Jetstar" and using it as its low cost carrier.
The core of Jetstar in Flight Operations and Engineering was Impulse. The same people and AOC/COA approvals (with name change). The reservation and business side was new because QF had abolished that part of the Impulse business early on. The Chief Pilot & Chief Engineer of Impulse and their staff spent a LOT of time in MEL setting up the JQ organisation.

Believe what you like but I saw part of it, Dixon & Joyce used the strong foundations Gerry McGuire set up at Impulse to catapult JQ into the air.

Gemuser

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Sydscott
Posted 2012-07-26 15:27:30 and read 10071 times.

Quoting thegeek (Reply 158):
Better than bringing on more crew at unsustainable wages.

Wow, you really hate Dixon!

I don't hate Geoff Dixon, I'm just saying that compared to Alan Joyce, Joyce has had to make some extremely tough calls which were the result of the legacy he inherited from both Geoff Dixon and to a lesser extent James Strong.

Quoting gemuser (Reply 159):
Believe what you like but I saw part of it, Dixon & Joyce used the strong foundations Gerry McGuire set up at Impulse to catapult JQ into the air.

Exactly!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-07-27 01:04:26 and read 9856 times.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 145):
Both Geoff Dixon, and James Strong for that matter, kicked the can down the road when it came to making tough decisions on the Unions.

This of course has a notable parallel to BA, where Bob Ayling and Rod Eddington were even better at making sure that the washing stayed on the line. While I genuinely believe that Eddington was one of the best airline CEOs of the last decade (and unfairly ignored for his achievements at BA) he was petrified of the unions. I remember the industrial action over reducing sick leave (2006?). The union threatened a strike and was offered the same level of leave and a rise!

As a result Walsh was handed a loaded gun. I'm not going to defend Walsh, he makes Joyce look like a cherub, but he was the last man standing.

Joyce was exactly the same.

Quoting mariner (Reply 150):

At first I was confused at what you were getting at, but now I totally understand. I know from my mum (long time CFO) that people play on her gender when things aren't going their way, and I have no reason to doubt that there are low lifes out there who are sick enough to go for any such perceived 'weakness'. Also don't forget the Irish-hating statements which were banded around - nobody can deny that the acrimony became very personal.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-08-07 03:24:19 and read 8601 times.

I am not sure where the topic went, it may have resurfaced however GDS is showing MH will be sending the A380 to Melbourne.

Please find the details below from the airlineroute.net website: http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/06/mh-mel-mar13/

Malaysia Airlines starting 01MAR13 is launching Airbus A380 service on Kuala Lumpur – Melbourne route, where MH129/128 will be operated by Airbus A380 instead of A330-300 aircraft. Melbourne is MH’s 4th destination operated by the Super Jumbo.

Reservation for A380 Melbourne flight opens today (06AUG12).

Schedule:

MH129 KUL1030 – 2110MEL 380 D
MH149 KUL2200 – 0755+1MEL 333 D

MH128 MEL0045 – 0545KUL 380 D
MH148 MEL1500 – 2030KUL 333 D

MH128 to be operated by A380 from 02MAR13. In 2011, Melbourne was listed as the airline’s A380 initial destinations despite being absent from the company’s brochure published in June 2012.


Melbourne is doing quiet well at seducing services from the big bus, especially for a little town at the bottom of the planet. By March next year MEL will be seeing 2x QF, 2x SQ, EK and MH A380s.

Although as pointed out in the now missing thread this is a lot of MEL-KUL capacity with EK and D7 also in the market. Perhaps MH are expecting a big increase in traffic due to their joining one-world.

I believe this will also signify a return of MH first class product to Melbourne, this service should also connect nicely with a lot of Asian services.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Ditzyboy
Posted 2012-08-07 19:11:23 and read 8210 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 141):
If the supposed 767 refurbishments go ahead, then I imagine they will be the next to get the new seats.

Regarding the interior refresh of the QF 767 fleet, it appears that it will be more of a 'soft refresh' (curtains, lighting, seat fabrics etc). Overhead bin extensions and new seat types were not mentioned.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-08-07 21:56:15 and read 8024 times.

Maybe QF will finally roll out the red style seat covers onto all the A330, B767, and B737s...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-08-07 22:46:33 and read 7938 times.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 163):
Regarding the interior refresh of the QF 767 fleet, it appears that it will be more of a 'soft refresh' (curtains, lighting, seat fabrics etc). Overhead bin extensions and new seat types were not mentioned.
Quoting vhebb (Reply 164):
Maybe QF will finally roll out the red style seat covers onto all the A330, B767, and B737s...

Has anyone seen any pics yet? Is there a timeline for the project?

I do recall vaguely a presentation which had a small unclear image. I think the seat covers were red in business and the bulkhead laminates featured that large pattern of hexagons (I think). There is some need form some serious design and colour in the domestic cabins. Is the plan still for the red international seat covers to be placed on the domestic fleet? Do the A333s have them yet?

I find it strange that they are not placing the Ipads in a brackets fitted to the seat. Would be easier to eat and watch the Ipad not mention it be easier to the customers to see the Ipad. They could clip in and out for charging, how much would they cost to be certified?

Long term plan is for all domestic aircraft to receive a standardised product, with new business seats for the 738s and the A332s.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-08-07 23:54:35 and read 7858 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 165):

Ive seen the pictures, but cannot comment! you wil all have to wait! looks great tho 

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-08-08 00:17:17 and read 7831 times.

Quoting Ditzyboy (Reply 163):

A shame, but hardly surprising. For the money to be well spent, QF really needed to be fitting new interiors 3-4 years ago. It's shame, since the 763ER could have continued to be a useful aircraft for them in Asia with angled flat J and IFE throughout.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 166):

Any idea when an announcement will be made? Will the refurbishment be done alongside the fitting of the new IFE systems (if so then I imagine it will be starting soon...)?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: vhebb
Posted 2012-08-08 01:00:52 and read 7773 times.

I've heard October will see some positive announcements at QF...

Any idea if the enhancements will be domestic fleet wide or just B763?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: zkokq
Posted 2012-08-08 01:07:05 and read 7771 times.

Anyone know if as the 734's are retired and 738's come online, are the pilots and crew being taken from the 734 to the 738?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: thegeek
Posted 2012-08-08 02:14:06 and read 7659 times.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 169):
Anyone know if as the 734's are retired and 738's come online, are the pilots and crew being taken from the 734 to the 738?

My understanding was that 734 pilots were certified to fly the 738 as well. Short haul cabin crew can fly both too. So, presumably they would go over unless they are surplus to requirements.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Boof
Posted 2012-08-08 02:40:31 and read 7632 times.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 168):
I've heard October will see some positive announcements at QF...

Been a while since I posted but this caught my eye. I'm told, and one of the staff who post on here may like to confirm this, that the Pilot and F/A groups along with other groups critical to the program have started to be briefed on QF's fight back strategy against DJ with public announcements due to come in October. With the capacity and route boosting already announced, this could be fun to watch!

Quoting thegeek (Reply 170):
My understanding was that 734 pilots were certified to fly the 738 as well. Short haul cabin crew can fly both too. So, presumably they would go over unless they are surplus to requirements.

This is correct. It's a common type rating, the 737 pilots do/did a conversion course so they are cross skilled for both the 734 and 73H.

Cheers,

Boof

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: VH-BZF
Posted 2012-08-08 03:21:47 and read 7590 times.

Quoting zkokq (Reply 169):
Anyone know if as the 734's are retired and 738's come online, are the pilots and crew being taken from the 734 to the 738?

A mate of mine at QF tells me that all the B734's will have been retired by mid 2014 at the latest. Short haul crew are endorsed on B73H/B734, B763's 333/332.

By mid 2015, QF's domestic fleet will comprise 2 types B73H's and 333/332's. The soft refurbishment of the B763 fleet is only to see them through to retirement as the cost to update these is quite low.

BZF

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-08-08 04:09:21 and read 7511 times.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 172):
By mid 2015, QF's domestic fleet will comprise 2 types B73H's and 333/332's. The soft refurbishment of the B763 fleet is only to see them through to retirement as the cost to update these is quite low.

Indeed I have herd the same thing. With all aircraft equipped with PTVs and a new improved business seat.

Quoting Boof (Reply 171):
Been a while since I posted but this caught my eye. I'm told, and one of the staff who post on here may like to confirm this, that the Pilot and F/A groups along with other groups critical to the program have started to be briefed on QF's fight back strategy against DJ with public announcements due to come in October. With the capacity and route boosting already announced, this could be fun to watch!

I hear there is some network changes coming too, a few new routes and return to others. Seems there maybe a new energy of competition coming from QF domestic to take on VA. I hope we see a flow on effect of this through to the new international business....

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-08-08 04:46:52 and read 7489 times.

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 172):
By mid 2015, QF's domestic fleet will comprise 2 types B73H's and 333/332's. The soft refurbishment of the B763 fleet is only to see them through to retirement as the cost to update these is quite low.

That seems to be extremely optimistic to me. I can see all of the Group's A332's being with domestic by mid-2015, but QF will only have a handful of 789's by then (if that) -- nowhere near enough for 10 A333's to leave the International fleet.

No way is QF International going to drop to a fleet of just 21 A380's and 744's within 3 years (that's roughly half of what they fly today). That scale is just too small for them to be able to do anything profitably. As their operations get smaller, their fixed cost per passenger increases and that's not a good thing for them.

Another thought -- does anyone have any idea how many 763's will be refurbished? I don't imagine the whole fleet will be done if the JQ A330's are starting to filter back mid/late next year allowing retirements to begin. There is also the cost of giving the A330's a QF style makeover before they reenter the fleet to consider.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-08-11 02:26:32 and read 6985 times.

Interesting news on the industrial dispute front -- Fair Work Australia ruled largely in favour of Qantas in the dispute with the TWA late last week.

The Herald Sun's story can be found here. There are others out there as well.

Seems to be a big win for QF IMO.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-08-11 03:28:27 and read 6938 times.

I have a very strong feeling that QF will return to OOL for some reason  

There really aren't that many significant routes that QF have jumped off that really need them to return. Maybe a few East Coast - Northern WA routes are on the agenda, but seeing as they didn't seem to have much success on one of those sectors lately who knows how that will go.

I would have thought most of the focus would be on the international network, so that will be interesting to see what they have up their sleeves.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: aerokiwi
Posted 2012-08-11 05:54:51 and read 6876 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 174):
No way is QF International going to drop to a fleet of just 21 A380's and 744's within 3 years (that's roughly half of what they fly today).

Wasn't there an annual report from the QF Group that actually said this in the back pages a few years back? I'll have a nosey around.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-08-11 06:17:23 and read 6862 times.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 177):

There was the Strategy Day presentation from last December (this one) which was discussed at length last year -- this might be what you're thinking of?

It does confirm that 28 A330's will be with QF Domestic by 2016, and sees only the 20 A380's with QF International by 2021. I fail to see how they can make any money with such a tiny scale of operations (though I'm the first to acknowledge that it's a difficult judgement to make from the outside...)

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-08-11 09:45:36 and read 6762 times.

^^ Ummm.. 787s *cough*

Just had to bring that to your attention  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-08-12 18:35:20 and read 6264 times.

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce will be at Gold Coast/Coolangatta Airport this afternoon to announce a return of Qantas mainline services to the port. The resumption date of services is at this stage unknown.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: NZ107
Posted 2012-08-12 18:53:04 and read 6222 times.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 180):
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce will be at Gold Coast/Coolangatta Airport this afternoon to announce a return of Qantas mainline services to the port. The resumption date of services is at this stage unknown.

Took them a while!!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-08-12 19:05:07 and read 6241 times.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 181):

Indeed  

In other news, Etihad Airways is expected to announce/confirm over the coming days it will be increasing Brisbane - Abu Dhabi services from thrice weekly to daily sometime in 2013. This is according to the 08AUG edition of Travel Daily.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Truemanqld
Posted 2012-08-12 19:46:02 and read 6172 times.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 180):

Im assuming it will be something like twice daily SYD flights? Early morning and late evening? Hoping they throw in MEL as well, but will wait and see!

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-08-12 20:04:42 and read 6152 times.

On eof QF's A330s had a problem with one of its engines on approach to PER last night.

Quote:
A Qantas spokeswoman confirmed there had been an engine control system fault but said the aircraft landed safely about 11.45pm.
“There was a PAN (possible assistance needed) declared by the pilot but no emergency landing,” she said.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...55/qantas-jet-lands-on-one-engine/

Have the engineers had time to figure out the cause and fix it?

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: eaglefarm4
Posted 2012-08-12 21:55:31 and read 6029 times.

BNE 2011-12 Financial year pax totals are out.
21,017,060 + 4.6 %

http://bne.com.au/media-centre/passenger-statistics

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: 747m8te
Posted 2012-08-12 23:19:26 and read 5949 times.

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 183):
Im assuming it will be something like twice daily SYD flights? Early morning and late evening? Hoping they throw in MEL as well, but will wait and see!

Increasing only to single daily, and will most likely stay with its midday departure I assume.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 178):
It does confirm that 28 A330's will be with QF Domestic by 2016, and sees only the 20 A380's with QF International by 2021. I fail to see how they can make any money with such a tiny scale of operations (though I'm the first to acknowledge that it's a difficult judgement to make from the outside...)
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 179):
^^ Ummm.. 787s *cough*Just had to bring that to your attention

yes the 787s will also be in the QF fleet, so it will be roughly the same size fleet still, just with different equipement.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 180):
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce will be at Gold Coast/Coolangatta Airport this afternoon to announce a return of Qantas mainline services to the port. The resumption date of services is at this stage unknown.

Now that is good to hear  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-08-12 23:32:35 and read 5907 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 178):
20 A380's with QF International by 2021.

Did someone say A389... 

EK413

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-08-12 23:54:16 and read 5876 times.

SYD-OOL
QF860 0710-0735 738
QF862 1145-1210 738
QF864 1635-1700 738
OOL-SYD
QF861 0815-1035 738
QF863 1250-1510 738
QF865 1740-2000 738

now we get to wait for the next destination to be anounced  

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: IndianicWorld
Posted 2012-08-13 00:45:12 and read 5821 times.

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 186):
Increasing only to single daily, and will most likely stay with its midday departure I assume.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect much of a change in timing either.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 187):
Did someone say A389...

Ummm.. who knows. But if things keep going the way they are, they wouldn't fill a 787 in a few years time  
Quoting QF175 (Reply 180):
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce will be at Gold Coast/Coolangatta Airport this afternoon to announce a return of Qantas mainline services to the port. The resumption date of services is at this stage unknown.

What a shock... Not!

Has been on the cards for a while. I would also expect a couple of QF MEL-OOL flights in the not too distant future also.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Truemanqld
Posted 2012-08-13 00:59:49 and read 5799 times.

Quoting JQflightie (Reply 188):

Wow, 3 times daily is a lot more than I expected! A midday departure wouldnt have made much sense as it doesn't allow business passengers to be in SYD by 9am, but three daily is awesome! Hopefully twice daily MEL will follow.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: JQflightie
Posted 2012-08-13 04:01:05 and read 5561 times.

Quoting Truemanqld (Reply 190):
Wow, 3 times daily is a lot more than I expected! A midday departure wouldnt have made much sense as it doesn't allow business passengers to be in SYD by 9am, but three daily is awesome! Hopefully twice daily MEL will follow.

i think you will see a number of routes come back in, as i was reading a employee memo, instead of just the sentence 'being best for business and leisure travellers' its turned into 'being best for business and PREMIUM leisure travellers' its a great move, and having met the Qantas Domestic CEO many times, he is great for the business.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: Brad330
Posted 2012-08-13 04:20:13 and read 5517 times.

So much for that saying. QF are slowly leaving CNS-SYD and handing it over to JQ.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: koruman
Posted 2012-08-13 08:07:18 and read 5341 times.

There is remarkably little discussion here of how foolish and dogmatic the original Qantas decision to exit OOL was.

Yes, there are lots of cheap leisure travellers. But there are also the professionals present in any city of roughly 750,000 immediate catchment area, and Qantas wrapped them up and delivered them to Virgin.

I used to like the OOL Qantas Club - which was demolished as quick as a TSR-2 tooling line - and I'm now very happy with Virgin's lounge. I would be reluctant to switch to a rebranded Jetstar lounge.

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-08-13 22:53:13 and read 5111 times.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 179):

"Allocation TBD - based on return measures". I know I'm being cynical here, but they are hardly publicly committing to anything.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 187):
Did someone say A389... 

That would be very nice... Unfortunately, those people aren't QF Executives...

Quoting Brad330 (Reply 192):
So much for that saying. QF are slowly leaving CNS-SYD and handing it over to JQ.

CNS is a far more premium market from SYD than OOL is. JQ is not the right carrier to service the large amounts of premium traffic on the route, so QF will never leave it completely for them. It's worth noting that QF still flies more capacity than JQ does on the route...

Topic: RE: Australian Aviation Thread # 62
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-08-14 03:08:14 and read 4875 times.

Australian Aviation Thread # 63


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