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Topic: China Takes Off But..........
Username: tioloko100
Posted 2012-08-15 08:20:20 and read 7133 times.

It has become a known fact that China will be the next super power but is China not the super power now?
High increase in aviation activities in any country is always a good sign of positive increase in the overall economy.
And as Air China became the largest airline in the in the world last year and with the high increase in Private jet orders from the country it shows that not from now China might/will have the busiest airspace in the world but when discussing any environmental issue in China, it's always a struggle to decide which deserves more emphasis: how dire the situation is, or how hard Chinese authorities are trying to cope with it. China's skies, waters and even sources of food are some of the most poisonously contaminated on Earth. Its efforts to curtail pollution and develop cleaner energy sources are some of the world's most ambitious.
http://www.kittyhawker.com/articles/46/China-takes-off.html

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: VC315
Posted 2012-08-15 09:11:22 and read 6974 times.

Air travel in China has yet to reach a level that compete with any of the more 'developed' countries. Sure the numbers are impressive in some ways, let's not forget we are talking about a country that is said to have a population of 1.5 billion (close enough). I do however think the epidemic air travel delays in China will continue for quite a while. Not because of inefficient air-traffic control or airspace per se, but the air space that is made available for civil aviation. It's certainly beyond the sole control of CAAC. But things will change, it's really just a matter of time.

Also, Air China is the largest airlines in the world? I don't think so. If I remembered correctly, Air China is the smallest of the three state-owned airlines in China.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: legacyins
Posted 2012-08-15 09:19:24 and read 6935 times.

Quoting VC315 (Reply 1):
Also, Air China is the largest airlines in the world? I don't think so.

It is the largest by market capitalization.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...ver-airlines-idUSS1E78K20B20110921

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-08-15 09:24:12 and read 6889 times.

Air China is reportedly the most profitable airline in the world...

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: Fly2yyz
Posted 2012-08-15 09:34:45 and read 6827 times.

Air China is also listed as a 4 star airline on Skytrak...and your point?  

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: TWA902fly
Posted 2012-08-15 09:44:20 and read 6748 times.

I was under the impression that China Southern and China Eastern are both bigger than Air China by passenger numbers...

'902

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-08-15 09:45:01 and read 6748 times.

Nearly all the Chinese carriers are primarily state owned, as is nearly all the domestic infrastructure--none of them are particularly well run, and they don't have to be w/ the implicit/explicit backing of the state. When/if the state ever deregulates aviation, there's going to be some unbelievable creative destruction, and I imagine a lot of domestic capacity disappearing.

Quoting VC315 (Reply 1):
It's certainly beyond the sole control of CAAC. But things will change, it's really just a matter of time.

  

Quoting legacyins (Reply 2):
It is the largest by market capitalization.
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 3):
Air China is reportedly the most profitable airline in the world...

I just don't know how meaningful any of that considering the govt tentacles in everything

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: tioloko100
Posted 2012-08-15 16:08:22 and read 6279 times.

Quoting Fly2yyz (Reply 4):
Air China is also listed as a 4 star airline on Skytrak.

I wouldn't personally call them 5 star I flew them few times from and I don't see them to be giving that 5 star service especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: Fly2yyz
Posted 2012-08-15 17:53:17 and read 6118 times.

Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 7):
I wouldn't personally call them 5 star I flew them few times from and I don't see them to be giving that 5 star service especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.

Sarcasm doesn't read well here. I was just saying just like some airlines can end up on top of Skytrak ratings... profits can be skewed.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: legacyins
Posted 2012-08-15 18:16:30 and read 6044 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I just don't know how meaningful any of that considering the govt tentacles in everything

You are correct. Really does not pertain to much as the reach of the Government is far and wide.

I was just pointing out that financially, it is listed as the "largest" carrier.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: tioloko100
Posted 2012-08-16 00:28:28 and read 5719 times.

Well I feel sometimes financial capacity of an airline can determine how its rated, given aviation business is highly capital intensive.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-08-16 00:39:23 and read 5695 times.

Quoting legacyins (Reply 9):
I was just pointing out that financially, it is listed as the "largest" carrier.

well, financially, in terms of turnover p.a. all top 100 Chinese carriers combined made roughly 48 Billion US$.

In comparison, the No. 1 airline group in the world, lufthansa, made a bit over 40 billion US$.

Market capitalisation is a bubble. a book which sometimes slams into the faces.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-08-16 01:50:22 and read 5549 times.

I saw that past the editing time - I mean of course the Chinese carriers who are amongst the world top 100 carriers, not the top 100 Chinese carriers....

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: JAAlbert
Posted 2012-08-16 06:39:22 and read 3940 times.

Quoting tioloko100 (Reply 7):
especially their flight attendants that love starring at passengers.

What!? Okay, spill the beans - what is this all about?

I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: tioloko100
Posted 2012-08-17 23:45:41 and read 2476 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.

Ethiopian Airline is state run and its profitable.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-08-17 23:59:15 and read 2449 times.

ET is state owned, but run like a private enterprise. Always has been, even in the days when Ethiopia was ruled by a communist regime.

As long as owners understand that political ideology has no place in running companies and put the right people with the needed qualifications on top, it works. ET is a brilliant example of how an airline should be run.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: huaiwei
Posted 2012-08-18 05:25:06 and read 2216 times.

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 13):
I can't imagine any state run airline being particularly efficient or profitable.

When it suits people, SQ is considered state run. I suppose you have a potential candidate there then? 

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: HKG212
Posted 2012-08-18 07:34:11 and read 2058 times.

Quoting tioloko100 (Thread starter):
with the high increase in Private jet orders from the country it shows that not from now China might/will have the busiest airspace in the world

There are less than 200 private jets in China, and more than 10,000 in the US. There are less than 200 airports in China, more than 15,000 in the US. China is far, far from having "the busiest airspace in the world". Parts of it are crowded because, as someone else has noted here, most of the airspace is closed to civilian aviation.

Topic: RE: China Takes Off But..........
Username: tioloko100
Posted 2012-08-19 00:56:56 and read 1815 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 15):
As long as owners understand that political ideology has no place in running companies and put the right people with the needed qualifications on top, it works.

Thats what is needed in Nigeria


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