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Topic: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-04-21 05:46:30 and read 23064 times.

Mabuhay sa inyong lahat!

Hello everyone! It's been a while since the last Philippine threads were running, as the launch of new international routes etc has been quite slow as of lately. But recently I've seen a few threads here regarding the Phils, San Miguel buying PAL for instance. Also, the LCCs are beginning to open up new routes within the region, which could be interesting to follow here.

*Cebu Pacific

MNL-HAN 2x weekly
MNL-XMN 3x weekly
MNL-REP 3x weekly
KLO-HKG 3x weekly

These four routes have recently been launched.


*AirPhil Express

MNL-KUL 3x weekly (Starting 21 June)
CRK-HKG 4x weekly (Starting 17 May)
CRK-SIN 3x weekly (Starting 17 May)


*Philippine Airlines

MNL-DPS 2x weekly (Starting 28 April)


*Zest Airways

MNL-PVG 5x weekly (Starting 22 June)
MNL-ICN Daily (Starting 28 June)
MNL-KUL ?? (Starting ??)
MNL-JJN 3x weekly (Starting 26 April)

*AirAsia Philippines has (finally) begun operations out of CRK, to three domestic points. More destinations are to follow.


*Some interesting statistics from 2011:

MNL handled 29,551,394 passengers (+8,9%) during the year.
CEB handled 6,215,946 passengers (+7,3%) during the year.

*For the first two months this year, CEB grew by 10,6% domestically and 24,6% internationally, for a total growth of 14%.

*For the full year AirPhil Express are aiming at flying 8 million passengers, up from last year's 3,7 million!
*Meanwhile, Cebu Pacific are planning to fly 14 million passengers, up from last years 12 million.

*Expansion from legacy carriers have been quite slow as of lately (even including PAL).
Although, MH added a third daily 738 on KUL-MNL last month.

If you have things to add or just want to discuss anything related to the commercial Philippine aviation industry, feel free to post and comment!  

//Alex

[Edited 2012-04-21 05:50:52]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-21 05:53:57 and read 23086 times.

Whee...a Philippine thread! 

Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy. This is based on a filing PAL made with the CAB.

http://business.inquirer.net/53313/p...ore-flights-to-s-korea-japan-china

Quote:
“Brazil is a key part of Philippine Airlines’ (PAL) long term plan to open pioneering routes to South America. Brazil produces more visitors to the Philippines than any other South American country,” CAB said.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-21 10:14:23 and read 22942 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):

*Philippine Airlines

As posted in the other thread, they will also be starting HKG-KLO in five days.....

http://business.inquirer.net/53361/pal-opens-hong-kong-kalibo-route


Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?    .....

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http://globalnation.inquirer.net/fil...011/06/aquino_caticlan-300x225.jpg


No definite word yet on their refleeting, particularly for the domestic fleet.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 1):
Anyway, according to the Inquirer, PAL has considered starting service to Brazil in the long term, saying it's part of the government's tourism strategy.

MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-21 10:20:36 and read 22921 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
MNL-GRU is almost 10,000 nm...their 77Ws could only do 7,250 nm nonstop. Even A345s are good for just 8,500 nm max. Where do they plan to stop, and will projected traffic support such a long, out of the way route?

Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU. (Good too for reviving the Philippines' historical linkages with Mexico! )

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy (if my memory serves me right).

[Edited 2012-04-21 10:22:21]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-21 11:59:47 and read 22871 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):
Routing should be in the other direction: someone on PEx (which is where I got the article) suggested that MNL-GRU can be routed MNL-MEX-GRU.

Ahh...thanks. That makes much more sense then.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-mex-gru&MS=wls&DU=nm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

If such service will ever start, it might be done with 787s, which are being considered in the refleeting strategy

   Now, that would certainly be a welcome development!    PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those come Cat 1.  

It would seem the reported visit of Boeing executives to SMC's headquarters had positive results?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-04-21 13:36:38 and read 22812 times.

Sometimes even small steps are welcome ...

Dragonair is to start a daily flight HKG-CRK from june 1st with A320.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-04-21 14:29:51 and read 22783 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those -- come Cat 1.

Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)   

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

 
bb

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-21 17:55:55 and read 22701 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):
Sometimes, Devilfish, you just come up with the most FANTASTIC ideas!

Others tell me those are usually harebrained and outlandish.      


Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

(You know, looking at that map in your reply #4, that MNL-GRU routing sure goes close to Southern California... With a tiny adjustment, it could very easily become of MNL-SAN-GRU!)

Let us see.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-san-gru&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-san-gru&DU=nm

Hmmn...in terms of potential load, that does look more viable in comparison...even if switched to GIG or SDU at the Brazilian end (not so with BSB). However, getting entitlements especially on the US West Coast-Brazil legs would be very challenging, and competition tough.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 6):

I trust this thread will provide those of us interested with any updates on the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I situation, especially if anything positive should happen (for a change!)

Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since. Meanwhile, there's this.....

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/180591/...l-union-wants-to-talk-to-new-owner

.....as PR announces its new management setup.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-21 21:00:17 and read 22629 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
Things are not so promising on that front.....

http://web02.aviationweek.com/aw/mst...egulator%20Suffers%20FAA%20Setback

There was talk of PAL seeking a separate FAA audit, but nothing has been heard of it since.

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90619222&postcount=249 (this is an article in the Manila Standard Today)

Also, there's talk on some new routes being launched by DG, especially as the CAB has ruled that TR's investment does not violate local cabotage rights. DG will finally be launching CRK-CEB, CRK-DVO and CRK-BKI.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90584163&postcount=246

MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/busi...-more-regional-flights-year-216961

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-04-22 02:34:05 and read 22519 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
MASwings also intends to start DVO-BKI and DVO-SDK, although I don't know how that will work out, given that for several years traffic to Sabah from the southern Philippines has always been channeled through ZAM.

MASwings has been looking into such routes for quite a while ...
But since they do not want to rely solely on demand by locals but need tourists as well I´m not surprised they favour DVO now.
ZAM is not really a tourist spot for certain reasons.
So, I would see rather a DVO-BKI route than one to SDK let alone both.

And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.
Just don´t know if AK´s entitlement is fully used up already (that might be the only valid reason for the "non-increase")

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2012-04-22 03:19:36 and read 22515 times.

Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-04-22 04:12:58 and read 22481 times.

Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

Ground delays at MNL are getting ridiculous. 1h40min doors closed to takeoff two weeks ago.

Quoting MHG (Reply 9):
And DG´s plan to serve CRK-BKI makes me wonder if the route is able to support two carriers. (I tend to say "no"). Otherwise AK would´ve increased frequencies already.

I think there is more than enough demand. BKI has loads of Filipino workers. But all these domestics from CRK (2P/DG/5J/PQ) I have my doubts.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-04-22 06:29:36 and read 22435 times.

Glad to see so many replies in such short time!

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 11):
Jakarta Post reported 5J opening MNL-DPS a while ago, not sure if they confused that with PR or what. I don't see too much traffic on DPS/HAN/REP from MNL. 5J already dropped HAN once.

I'm sure they mixed it up with PR.
I agree that DPS seems a bit odd, I get the feeling that Filipinos going on beach vacations would just go to their own ones, while on international vacation, city breaks are more to prefer. So DPS will be interesting.

The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

SGN is operated twice daily by 5J and RP, so a twice weekly to HAN shouldn't be no overcapacity. Yes, they tried HAN out once before, which should mean that 5J see conditions have changed, otherwise they wouldn't do the same mistake launching it again.

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-04-22 07:03:26 and read 22417 times.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 10):
Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now. Even in Dec 2011 when i passed through the terminal i paid 750 pesos. So how come NAIA has reduced the airport tax when every thing else got costlier since i last visited the Islands?

Not that i am complaining

The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.
So, MIAA had to revert to the original 550,-Peso.
But they are working towards a new increase, of course ...  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-22 12:41:26 and read 22301 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 13):
The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.

That period happened to be five years.   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-22 18:46:57 and read 22229 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):

Routing should be in the other direction:

Just to clarify.....for a while there, I thought PR was planning to stop somewhere in Europe or the Middle East, as part of a future, long-term strategy.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

Well, there is this: the CAAP's so-called "action plan" on those 23 additional items was approved by the FAA.

I think we're all familiar with the pattern...the "plan" comes promptly, the "action" part an altogether different story.   

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...t=246

From the link.....

Quote:
"'We’re just waiting for developments from the sources of the two aircraft that will be acquired for the Cebu and Davao operations,' Mr. Zapanta said."

Airbus birds likely. With MPIC not buying into PAL, odds of flying variety on secondary domestic routes decreased.....

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Quote:
"Seair operates flights to Batanes, Ilocos Sur, Palawan, Caticlan and Romblon."

Kinda hoping to see these replace the Let 410s on the "missionary" routes.....

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Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):

The development plan for MPH looks terrific, I love the idea of the bridge leading straight from the airport terminal to a proposed boat terminal, enabling one to get to Boracay even faster and more convenient.

Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-04-22 21:27:30 and read 22154 times.

Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: COSPN
Posted 2012-04-22 21:48:00 and read 22137 times.

When does MNL-REP start ???

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-04-23 02:19:42 and read 22031 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 15):
Wouldn't it be great if this makes the inaugural landing?.....

Would be nice..  
Quoting COSPN (Reply 17):
When does MNL-REP start ???
Quoting CityAirline (Reply 12):
The first flight to REP obviously took off with a full 180 passenger load.

It already did, last thursday...  

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Superfly
Posted 2012-04-23 02:37:10 and read 22019 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
San Miguel buying PAL

Is Jolibees going to buy an airline too?



I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

[Edited 2012-04-23 02:37:59]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-23 02:43:12 and read 22011 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

The MA-60s fly to SJI, MRQ, MBT, KLO, VRC, WNP, CRM, CYP and USU.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-04-23 03:25:00 and read 21999 times.

I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers? The FAA page only mentions codeshares.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-23 03:51:48 and read 21985 times.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 21):
I know that PR can't codeshare with a US carrier while Cat II is still in effect, but can they interline with a US carriers?

It's still possible to interline despite being in Cat II: I've seen AA/UA/DL (?)-PR itineraries being sold online. Interline bans though apply for airlines on the EU blacklist: consequently, interlining between PR and EU carriers is not allowed. (This was the reason why KL stopped selling PR domestic tag-ons to AMS-MNL on its website.)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-04-23 03:56:41 and read 21978 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 2):
Wonder if and when the proposed airport projects in MPH could "take off"?

After they have redesigned it to meet even the bare minimum of ICAO safety standards perhaps. I mean look at that runway over the sea - who designed it, a 5 year old?  


Dan  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-04-23 04:05:35 and read 21980 times.

According to ACI, MNL ranked the 27th busiest airport by international passengers in January this year.
The airport handled 1,281,777 passengers on its foreign routes, up 11,4%.

http://www.airports.org/cda/aci_comm...jsp?zn=aci&cp=1-5-212-1376_666_2__

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-04-23 06:16:07 and read 22102 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

I have USU booked myself for August. We spent my girlfriend's birthday in Virac (VRC) last year, great destination and Z2 MA60. I wholeheartedly recommend the Twin Rock resort there, great place and cheap cheap food and drink despite being rather isolated.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-04-23 07:53:29 and read 22052 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 25):
I have USU booked myself for August.

You'll love Coron. Did that last year on 5J. Head out to the Islands nearby, especially Malcapuya. Beautiful.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 10):
Flew out of MNL Terminal 1 a week back. I was surprised that the airport tax was 550 Php instead of the usual 750 Php that has been in force for a while now.

Until I read further posts, I thought it was the "I have to suffer through Terminal One" tax discount!

Tomas SJC

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-23 08:19:04 and read 22362 times.

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 26):
I thought it was the "I have to suffer through Terminal One" tax discount!

Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543558&postcount=539
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543579&postcount=540
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543638&postcount=541
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543651&postcount=542
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543736&postcount=543
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543751&postcount=544
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543777&postcount=545
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543943&postcount=546
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543963&postcount=547

[Edited 2012-04-23 08:46:41]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: virgin747
Posted 2012-04-23 08:30:35 and read 22362 times.

I flew out of MNL on Thursday. I guess what caught my attention is the high amount of traffic out of that airport now with all the Low Cost Carriers on the block. I had a 8pm departure, so in waiting for my flight I was watching the traffic. I noticed the departing flights had a fair wait due to the high amount of arrivals in to the airport.

Oh and I can't stress to all the CX pax that online check in saves you from having to stand in line when you get into the airport. I checked in the night before online and got to the airport to find the self check in line was empty and the regular line was packed  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-04-23 11:09:59 and read 22252 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago



Thanks for psoting the pictures! I must say it looks better than it did when I was there last year. In January 2011 it was horrendous, and then I was back again in June, and saw very little improvement. Glad to see it's coming along! And yes, running water and paper towels in the CR is a GOOD thing!

Tomas SJC

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-04-23 12:34:38 and read 22223 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 16):
Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?

It operates solely between Clark (CRK) and Cebu (CEB)
... and it´s cargo only ! So, no chance for a ride ...
During daytime it´s usually parked at CRK.

 
Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.
Where do they fly their Xian-MA-60s?

Akiestar´s list is correct !

I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894). An experience that doesn´t call for repeat ...
(I´ll take a LET-410 or AN-24/26 anytime, though)

[Edited 2012-04-23 12:43:13]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2012-04-23 13:32:17 and read 22183 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 13):
The reason is that MIAA was allowed to increase the airport tax from 550,-Peso to 750,-Peso for a limited period.
(in order to pay for increased security and associated purchase of scanners and related equipment)
This permission "expired" at the end of february IIRC.
So, MIAA had to revert to the original 550,-Peso.
But they are working towards a new increase, of course ...

Thanks for the info   

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Because apparently A.Net is still largely unaware of the renovations taking place at Terminal 1, allow me to post some recent pictures from a SkyscraperCity user. Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

NAIA Terminal 1 is the only airport that i frequent in Phil. For sure the terminal has improved a lot since 2007 ...and yes the CRs (restrooms) have a pleasant makeover. However in the near future the waiting area at the boarding gates will start to be overflowing. As of now it is manageable as usually the heavies are not parked next to each other at the same time!

For sure the air traffic (& road traffic) is increasing a lot around NAIA. waiting at the holding point RWY 06 for 4 arrivals ( and a couple of departures from RWY 13-31) is not uncommon in the evening.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-24 08:41:55 and read 21943 times.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 23):
After they have redesigned it to meet even the bare minimum of ICAO safety standards perhaps. I mean look at that runway over the sea - who designed it, a 5 year old?

That is a conceptual model meant to convey a general idea of the development.....and probably put together by model makers who might or might not know any better. For a presentation, it would have served its purpose... and the audience would be none the wiser.

IIRC, the initial intent was to cut from the hill and fill the runway extension threshold and displaced threshold areas, but that scheme was reportedly blocked by the locals. Just as well, considering the massive work and costs involved for this supposedly private funded project. Not to mention the time it would take for the substrate to settle and stabilise. These plus the required easements, shoulders, embankments and shore protection could have led to the deck-on-pier design.

That brings with it another set of difficult hurdles if they were bent on flying in tourists from the region directly on jets. This would have an immense effect on their business case and could re-scope (which is fine by me, as it will preserve the area for TProps  ) .....or halt the project (which would be a bummer).

I believe that whoever will be hired to do the detailed design will have the knowledge, especially if outside consultants are retained. So things like navaids, lighting and yes...pavement markings, etc. required for the airport category they finally settle on would be according to code. Not too sure about the construction contract.   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: sq_ek_freak
Posted 2012-04-24 11:23:32 and read 21888 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Thread starter):
MNL-JJN 3x weekly (Starting 26 April)

What airport code is JJN>?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-04-24 11:43:51 and read 21876 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 33):
What airport code is JJN>?

Quanzhou, Jinjiang in the province of Fujian.

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: FilAmAirlines
Posted 2012-04-24 12:54:26 and read 21852 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 5):
Sometimes even small steps are welcome ...

Dragonair is to start a daily flight HKG-CRK from june 1st with A320.

Thank you for sharing that report! Did Dragonair release a statement regarding that?

Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino's Facebook page, CX, DL, and EK are expected to move to NAIA T-3 joining NH.

When I flew to/from MNL, T-1's restrooms were unsanitary in my opinion. Also, a lack of concessions and passenger amenities post-security will not satisfy the increasing passenger numbers I believe.

Should the Philippine government eliminate or significantly reduce the Value Added Tax enforced to non-Philippine airlines?
As I mentioned in a separate discussion, KL pulled out of nonstop MNL-AMS and vice versa with the VAT as a huge contribution.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-24 13:14:30 and read 21851 times.

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 35):
Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino's Facebook page, CX, DL, and EK are expected to move to NAIA T-3 joining NH.

When I flew to/from MNL, T-1's restrooms were unsanitary in my opinion. Also, a lack of concessions and passenger amenities post-security will not satisfy the increasing passenger numbers I believe

According to the man himself, Terminal 3 will now fully open in 2014.

http://rp1.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...2/naia-3-be-fully-operational-2014

Quote:
MACTAN, Cebu, Philippines – The Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3 (NAIA-3) in Pasay City, which has been partially opened, will be fully operational before 2014, President Aquino said here yesterday.

Aquino said the government has a memorandum of understanding (MOU) with the Takenaka group, the sub-contractor of NAIA-3 builder Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (PIATCO), to complete the project.

“There’s an MOU already with the Takenaka group to finish the portion of the work that has been left aside, some structural corrections with regard to NAIA-3,” he said in an open forum at the Shangri-La Hotel here.

It was also in the same conference that President Aquino announced that DL, CX and EK are moving to Terminal 3. Hope DL builds a better Sky Club! 

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 35):
Should the Philippine government eliminate or significantly reduce the Value Added Tax enforced to non-Philippine airlines?

There's a bill pending in Congress to abolish the CCT and the gross billings tax.

And speaking of reducing payments, in the Philippines, airlines used to pay for the overtime of customs personnel at airports because employees of the Bureau of Customs only had an 8-5 shift. Not anymore.

http://business.inquirer.net/54987/a...govt-move-for-airports-to-open-247

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines—Foreign and local airlines on Friday welcomed the government’s decision to stop charging airlines for the overtime pay of customs and other personnel manning airports and to adopt a 24/7 operation as practiced worldwide, saying this would make the country more competitive and hence attractive to business and tourists.

“This singular act speaks volumes in terms of governance. An airport is a gateway to the country and its services, including the enforcement of customs laws, are the responsibility of the government, not the airlines,” said lawyer Bayani Agabin, spokesperson of the Board of Airline Representatives (BAR).

Last month, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima told customs officials that international airports would go 24/7 instead of the present 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. shift and directed them to submit their manpower requirements for budget purposes.

Technically, the airport itself will not be 24/7 (MNL still has a curfew due to noise restrictions), but the staff will be, so that's good for the airlines.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-25 10:04:35 and read 21677 times.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):
Is Jolibees going to buy an airline too?

   What were you having 'Fly? No, it's too big for them...they'd get stung if they do.   


Quoting Superfly (Reply 19):

I was thinking about taking a flight on Asia's most refreshing airline - Zest Air.

Take a look at this.....

http://business.inquirer.net/55597/z...t-airways-eyes-middle-east-flights

Quote:
"Zest Airways, the airline of juice drink magnate Alfred Yao, has bared plans to fly to the Middle East, which is home to millions of overseas Filipino workers.

Documents from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) showed that the company applied for the authority to mount regular flights to the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

[.....]

Zest Airways currently operates a fleet of nine Airbus A320 jets and one Airbus A319, all of which have a flight range of four hours, which are insufficient for direct flights to the Middle East."


I'm afraid you might find it too "dry" out there.

But why is it that all of a sudden, everyone thinks he could mix it up with the big guys? They gotta have the right aircraft first, or stop somewhere along the way.....which might be "unpopular".


By the way, anyone knows if 5J have already received all of their ATR-72s on order?

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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-26 00:12:58 and read 21524 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 37):
But why is it that all of a sudden, everyone thinks he could mix it up with the big guys? They gotta have the right aircraft first, or stop somewhere along the way.....which might be "unpopular".

Z2's long been rumored to be obtaining 767s and/or 777s to complement their narrow-body fleet. Of course, no one knows what happened to their supposed fleet expansion plan if they can't even keep the international service they have out of MNL: MNL-ICN for them ended in May and is restarting in June, while they couldn't even make MNL-CRK-HKG work, nor confirm the actual starting date for MNL-JJN until now (it was supposed to start in December).

As with a lot of things with Z2, I'll believe it when I see it.

Quoting MHG (Reply 30):
I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894). An experience that doesn´t call for repeat ...
(I´ll take a LET-410 or AN-24/26 anytime, though)

I flew the MA-60 once (MNL-MRQ), and it was okay. But those lavatory ceilings are low!   

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 4):
Now, that would certainly be a welcome development! PR could also start MNL-SAN-MNL with those come Cat 1.  

It would seem the reported visit of Boeing executives to SMC's headquarters had positive results?

Jaime Bautista announced that PR was looking at 787s to address ULH flying needs, but the earliest they can get 787s according to them was in 2017. I'm not sure they'd want to wait that long unless they buy airlines' canceled orders (like MU).

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-26 10:20:29 and read 21391 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
Honestly, I don't know why people say the terminal is such a terrible place when it is certainly much better now than, let's say, five years ago.

Again, I think the best the MIAA can do for T1 is to convert it to a Domestic/LCC terminal. The South Concourse could serve as the LCC sattelite, from where passengers could walk over to the North Concourse to connect with their domestic flights, after Immigration, collecting their luggage and Customs clearance. LCCs with domestic ops could just send onward passengers to their planes after processing.....

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And while at it, they should reroof the whole building after all electro/mechanical systems (including elevators, escalators, conveyors, carousels, etc) are upgraded, and refinish the exteriors or at least brush clean those to remove decades of grime, and seal it with a nice, durable, water-resistant, low-maintenance coating.

Then demolish the existing domestic terminal to allow for more apron space.....and build the shuttle access road that will quickly connect T3 to T1. They could then transfer all full-service international carriers to T3.

Understandably, any project that would make it more convenient for their competitors' passengers would be opposed by PR and 5J. But it could benefit their operations too.

Quoting MHG (Reply 30):

I flew Pest Air´s MA-60 last nov 7 VRC-MNL (RP-C8894)

  

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 38):
As with a lot of things with Z2, I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, the T7 is particularly incredible. Do they really have ten NBs in their fleet or are those just on call from a lessor?

Amusing when Seair were merrily flying a motley assortment of YS-11, DH-7, CN-235, Do-328, Let-410 and the odd BAe-146. Thought they'd be content running a domestic fleet of say, second- hand Q200s or ATR-42s. Guess the lure of handsome profits was too much to resist.   

Gotta love it when everybody and his uncle want to be in the airline business. Makes it seem like the country has struck a huge oil deposit, and nobody is bleeding money.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 38):
Jaime Bautista announced that PR was looking at 787s to address ULH flying needs, but the earliest they can get 787s according to them was in 2017. I'm not sure they'd want to wait that long unless they buy airlines' canceled orders (like MU).

I think Boeing could find them a forgone slot or two if SMC showed them the money and they liked its color.           

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-27 00:00:08 and read 21246 times.

So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2Phttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...-planes-after-san-miguel-deal.html

Quote:
Philippine Airlines Inc. plans to order at least 100 new planes, resume flights to Europe and bolster U.S. services after selling a stake to San Miguel Corp. (SMC)

The carrier’s two main owners will provide $1 billion to help fund the fleet plan, Ramon Ang, president of the airline and of San Miguel, said in an interview in Manila yesterday. San Miguel will inject $750 million in PAL and affiliate Air Philippines Corp., including a $500 million stake purchase, while billionaire Lucio Tan will deliver the rest, he said.

PR is also mulling an immediate return to Europe, and a significant expansion in North America.

Quote:
PAL will “immediately” resume flights to Europe once Philippine carriers are allowed in, Ang said, listing Paris, London and Spain as possible destinations. In the U.S., the carrier is looking at New York, Chicago and Florida, he said. It already flies to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Vancouver in North America.

This is good news indeed!      

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: YLWbased
Posted 2012-04-27 01:53:45 and read 21176 times.

the HKIA flight information system is showing HKG-Davao by SEAIR starting later in May, but I so far found no information, can and one shed some light on this?

YLWbased

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: airlineaddict
Posted 2012-04-27 02:05:07 and read 21157 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P! http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0....html

Thanks for the post. I found the following snippet very interesting:

Quote:
San Miguel may pitch plans for the new four-runway airport to the government in the “near future,” Ang said. Construction of the facility, able to handle 100 million passengers annually, could begin this year, he said.

Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: airlineaddict
Posted 2012-04-27 03:11:11 and read 21170 times.

Lots of interesting reads about Ramon Ang's plans for PAL and Air Philippines.

1. A blogger is reporting that PAL is in negotiations with Boeing for the following to replace current 744, 343 and 333 fleet:

12 787s (as early as 2016)
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)
Additional 4 77Ws

A 333s will be transferred to Air Phil Express for flights to the Middle East.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-airbus-for-boeing-widebodies.html

2. Leveraging other SMC assets for PAL's benefit:

- Petron - Fuel costs and ticket sales. Tickets (as well as terminal fees) can be bought at Petron stations
- Bank of Commerce - Ticket sales, same as Petron stations
- Magnolia - Contemplating complimentary bottled water at airports with no drinking fountains
- SMC Purefoods - Contemplating pandesal with corned beef, meat loaf or chicken nuggets again at airports

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx...800499&publicationSubCategoryId=64

(I questioned in a previous thread why SMC was investing in PAL... I may have to eat my words if PAL/SMC can pull together synergies.)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Byrdluvs747
Posted 2012-04-27 03:35:08 and read 21128 times.

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 43):
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)

Yessss!!!!   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Coronado990
Posted 2012-04-27 08:13:24 and read 21063 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
Quote:
PAL will “immediately” resume flights to Europe once Philippine carriers are allowed in, Ang said, listing Paris, London and Spain as possible destinations. In the U.S., the carrier is looking at New York, Chicago and Florida, he said. It already flies to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Vancouver in North America.

No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true. I hope Florida does well for them.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: filoflyer
Posted 2012-04-27 16:00:40 and read 20979 times.

im not sure if someone already shared this =) but here goes.  
PAL opts for 747-8 and 787's =)

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...-airbus-for-boeing-widebodies.html

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-27 17:39:47 and read 20893 times.

Being careful na 'di makuryente dito (local mediaspeak for not falling for a false newsleak).....

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P!

Curious that only Bloomberg got wind of a potential order this big. Did their two, likely Filipina reporters (by their names) scooped the other specialist aviation press? Then left the news buried in the Transportation section (granted it's where it belonged).

However, the Inquirer also has the story.....

http://business.inquirer.net/56187/p...es-100-new-planes-to-beef-up-fleet

Perhaps Boeing only caught a "whiff" of SMC's moolah and had not actually seen its color? Or are they waiting for PNoy's trip before making the public announcement? Their site has nothing on it, as well as the specialist press.

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 42):
Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?

NAIA is bursting at the seams and no longer have growth potential. Clark is the most practical and obvious choice being large, secure, with some of the needed utilities and facilities, two existing parallel runways, and the surrounding communities' long association with airfield operations. Negatives are the proximity to Mt. Pinatubo, and the distance and traffic to metropolitan MNL. The other sites are smaller by comparison and would require extensive development.


Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 43):
12 787s (as early as 2016)
4 748s (A380s are too big for Cebu and Davao airports to handle)
Additional 4 77Ws

This doesn't concern Boeing, but no TPs for 2PX??

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 45):

No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true. I hope Florida does well for them.

Don't get dismayed just yet. The linked blog above still mentions SAN.....

Quote:
"Ang however cautioned that the long-haul expansion plans depend upon the Philippines improving safety standards soon as they will fly immediately to New York via Vancouver, Seattle, San Diego and Chicago when the category rating of the country is upgraded to Category 1."

Quoting filoflyer (Reply 46):
im not sure if someone already shared this =) but here goes.

See three posts up!


[Edited 2012-04-27 18:11:49]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-27 23:36:36 and read 20746 times.

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 42):
Is this a replacement for NAIA on current land, development plans for CRK, or an entirely new commerical airport (e.g., Sangley Point, Manila Bay reclamation, etc)?

I wouldn't know, but the plans do seem interesting.

I did suggest somewhere on another forum that maybe instead of CRK, the government can focus on expanding PRB (Plaridel, Bulacan) instead. It's much closer to MNL, and much of the surrounding area is still farmland. However, I believe the JICA made a study on which would be the most viable replacement to MNL, with the following choices if I remember correctly:

CRK
SGL
Proposed reclamation of Laguna de Bay
MNL expansion

CRK won hands-down. (Although I wish they did add PRB to the study so we can see how good the prospects are for expanding it.)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-04-29 23:50:29 and read 20428 times.

I'm glad RPLC was renamed back to Clark International. Nothing against the old man but his daughter and her husband's family is really corurpt. Although corruption is a relative term in the Philippines.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 27):
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90543777&postcount=545

Toilet seat in the CR!  Wow!
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 47):
Perhaps Boeing only caught a "whiff" of SMC's moolah and had not actually seen its color?

Will PAL expect a 1 PHP to 1 USD exchange rate?  


Flew from RPLL - RPLP last year.

RPLP Airport

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-04-30 07:06:23 and read 20316 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 48):
I did suggest somewhere on another forum that maybe instead of CRK, the government can focus on expanding PRB (Plaridel, Bulacan) instead. It's much closer to MNL, and much of the surrounding area is still farmland.

I guess that's what was referred to in this?.....

http://business.inquirer.net/56541/s...etails-plan-to-revive-pal-fortunes

Quote:
"as well as for SMC to invest in a new international airport that will have up to four runways and can accommodate up to 100 million passengers annually on a 4,000-hectare site.

'This is one of the proposals we will put forward to the government,' he said, adding that the proposed airport would be closer to Metro Manila than Clark, and will only be 'five to 10 minutes drive from EDSA.'

This statement has led to speculation that the site will be somewhere in Bulacan, immediately north of Manila."


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 48):
CRK won hands-down. (Although I wish they did add PRB to the study so we can see how good the prospects are for expanding it.)

As it should. The alternative would be spending billions and years just for the expropriation of raw land...and many billions more and decades developing it. Reportedly, the proponent would get Clark for their projects as part of the offer, and close MNL afterwards so it wouldn't compete with the new airport. In case something goes wrong, the Government would be saddled with a barren wasteland, while they would be raking in money from their high-end developments at Clark for comparatively minimal investment than if they were to spend it on the flood-prone agricultural site. Meanwhile, the people would be left back enduring the neglected NAIA, to wit.....

http://business.inquirer.net/56533/d...el-airlines-to-reduce-naia-flights

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 49):
Will PAL expect a 1 PHP to 1 USD exchange rate?

Not quite as improbable as that.....just the return of Category 1.  .

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 49):

Flew from RPLL - RPLP last year.

Hopefully, you would have this to return to Padi    .....

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http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OclyWQMA9U...LrBUo/s400/perspective-airport.jpg

[Edited 2012-04-30 07:22:06]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-04-30 22:52:37 and read 20104 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 50):
I guess that's what was referred to in this?.....

http://business.inquirer.net/56541/s...etails-plan-to-revive-pal-fortunes

There's a lot of guessing as to where this site is, but it's most likely in Balagtas, Bulacan and/or Marilao, based on what I've been reading.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-04-30 23:22:17 and read 20176 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 50):
Hopefully, you would have this to return to Padi

An updated terminal or a new airport? BTW, where's the padyaks in the picture?!  


On the way to Manila...

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-01 04:53:45 and read 20082 times.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 52):
An updated terminal or a new airport?

That's the so-called "Bicol International Airport" which will be built in Daraga, replacing LGP.  

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Anyway, I ran into these images on SkyscraperCity: it turns out that the Domestic Terminal (or Terminal 4) is being renovated as well and, most probably, will be converted for international use. Currently, Z2's domestic operations are based here, while international operations are based out of Terminal 3.

While I'd prefer that Z2 move all operations to Terminal 3, it seems that the reverse might end up being true.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90964341&postcount=123
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=90964581&postcount=126

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: sq_ek_freak
Posted 2012-05-01 08:09:31 and read 20008 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 34):
Quanzhou, Jinjiang in the province of Fujian.

Thanks - I realized after I posted it I should have just Google'd it!

Quoting FilAmAirlines (Reply 35):
Per Pangulo ng Pilipinas (President of the Philippines) Benigno "Noynoy" Aquino's Facebook page, CX, DL, and EK are expected to move to NAIA T-3 joining NH.

Makes sense -with the glaring exception of SQ. Given their 4x daily operation, what gives? Surely they don't want to stay at T1?

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 36):
Technically, the airport itself will not be 24/7 (MNL still has a curfew due to noise restrictions), but the staff will be, so that's good for the airlines.

I didn't realize MNL has a curfew - what time does it start, and what time does it end? I've been delayed on CX 905 in the past and gotten in around 0130-0200 in the past, and have flown in on PR from LAX and have arrived early around 0430-0500 as well...?

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 39):
Again, I think the best the MIAA can do for T1 is to convert it to a Domestic/LCC terminal. The South Concourse could serve as the LCC sattelite, from where passengers could walk over to the North Concourse to connect with their domestic flights, after Immigration, collecting their luggage and Customs clearance. LCCs with domestic ops could just send onward passengers to their planes after processing.....

Never really thought of that - good idea! God that domestic terminal must be such a shack by now!

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
So the details of the PAL refleeting program have come in: 100 new planes for both PR and 2P!

Super ambitious - they'd need a completely new airport!

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 40):
Quote:
PAL will “immediately” resume flights to Europe once Philippine carriers are allowed in, Ang said, listing Paris, London and Spain as possible destinations. In the U.S., the carrier is looking at New York, Chicago and Florida, he said. It already flies to San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas and Vancouver in North America.

I seriously question the viability of PR flights to France and Spain. They could make LHR work, and possibly AMS or FRA...possibly.

As for the US, I see SAN, ORD and JFK/EWR - but all will be a formidable challenge for PR. The low yield nature of their traffic is simply prohibitive of them operating such long routes. Florida for what - cruise ship crew? If (and when) EK start Miami, they will take these passengers for sure. And these passengers aren't exactly high yielding either.

Quoting airlineaddict (Reply 43):
A 333s will be transferred to Air Phil Express for flights to the Middle East.

First I've heard of this - given the (lack) of success of Air Asia X, I'd be rather worried about the prospects of long haul LCC flying from Asia to the Middle East. Can a route be profitable from an overwhelmingly O&D OFW market?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-01 11:35:31 and read 19952 times.

A very late correction...I was referring to Asian Spirit in my post 39 about the varied fleet.   

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 52):
BTW, where's the padyaks in the picture?!

Do you mean like this?.....

http://picturebangkok.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/pedicab.jpghttp://picturebangkok.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/pedicab.jpg

I guess the architect did not see it fit to include those in his rendering of a "modern" transport terminal. .

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 54):

Never really thought of that - good idea!

Thanks. There are various schemes being floated around. One extreme calls for the transfer of all operations to Clark after NAIA gets to full capacity in 2015 --- and the demolition and removal of all facilities including T1 and T2 to make way for residential and commercial areas, while T3 would be converted to a shopping mall. A much less radical plan sees T2 reverting to its originally intended domestic terminal role, with T1 also being made the LCC hub, and T3 getting all full-service international flights. And sundry permutations in between. These all reflect (to varying degrees) the vested interests behind the proposals. The prime real estate value of both NAIA and Clark cannot be underestimated, and may be as lucrative (if not more) as the long-term airport operations contract.

However, the country has had a very poor, frustratingly long experience with BOT projects...with T3 the most glaring, recent example (official culpability notwithstanding). There'd be no alternate should an emergency close the main gateway except smaller, provincial airports. Also, the main premium market would demand a downtown airport, and in any case, one would be needed during the transition.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 54):
God that domestic terminal must be such a shack by now!

The linked photos in the post immediately above yours show they are putting it on life-support. Airlines just love to have their own little fiefdoms by themselves.   

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 54):
Super ambitious - they'd need a completely new airport!

Which explains the need for more ramp space...as five years for a new airport is way optimistic in a Philippine context. As it is, 5J is already suggesting moves to ease ops at NAIA.

http://business.inquirer.net/56799/c...to-ease-congestion-on-naia-runways

But more than this, it wouldn't be good to see them over-leveraged.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-01 11:41:53 and read 19954 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 55):
The linked photos in the post immediately above yours show they are putting it on life-support. Airlines just love to have their own little fiefdoms by themselves. 

According to the Daily Tribune, it turns out that Z2 is funding the renovations, and the terminal will house all Z2 flights, both domestic and international.

http://www.tribuneonline.org/metro/20120501met5.html

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-05-01 20:52:40 and read 19845 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 53):
That's the so-called "Bicol International Airport" which will be built in Daraga, replacing LGP.

How much growth are they expecting in the region? Rather than build a new airport very near an active volcano, we wouldn't it be better to upgrade RPUN to accommodate bigger airplanes. Right now it's serviced only with turboprops. Naga City has the Peñafrancia Festival, CWC and....SM Mall!  
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 55):
Do you mean like this?.....

Yeah, the motorized version can replace the A340s. It has the same capacity, climb rate and cruise speed.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: jetblue777
Posted 2012-05-02 15:12:25 and read 19401 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 54):
Makes sense -with the glaring exception of SQ. Given their 4x daily operation, what gives? Surely they don't want to stay at T1?

I agree, but I guess they need to build their own lounge at Terminal 3. Hopefully, they will move to T3 soon (preferably before September this year when I'm due to fly with them  ) And I think SQ downgraded its MNL flight to 3x Daily, not sure if it's a seasonal change or not because they canceled our flight to MNL that departs SIN at 12:10pm, so they rescheduled us to the 2pm departure but we eventually change it to a 9AM departure to CEB via MI as we would miss our connection to CGY.

Speaking of CGY (Cagayan de Oro) Do you guys have any updates on the new Laguindingan International Airport?

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 38):
I flew the MA-60 once (MNL-MRQ), and it was okay. But those lavatory ceilings are low!

We're doing an inter-island hop this August in the Philippines and I tried my best not to route us with Zest Air LOL. It's also cool to see that 5J and 2P are using the A319/A320 on their CGY-CEB-CGY flights. It's also funny how we vowed that we won't use 2P again because of their terrible customer service from their call center agents...but we ended up buying most of our flights with them anyways 

5J ATR-72-500 - Cebu to Cagayan
2P Q400 - Cagayan to Cebu
5J A319 - Cebu to Puerto Princesa
2P A320 - Puerto Princesa to Cebu
2P A320 - Cagayan to Cebu
2P Q400 - Cebu to Cagayan
2P A320 - Cagayan to Cebu

Also, we're flying on 2P from CGY to CEB, arriving there at 6:50am, transferring to the 11AM 5J Departure to PPS. Does any one know if we could instead check-in at CGY for our 5J flight from CEB to PPS? (We're not flying with checked luggage)

We're spending 7 Days, 6 Nights in Palawan...with 4 nights in El Nido..Has anyone been there? How was it?

jetBlue777

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-07 02:17:58 and read 18799 times.

Bumping the thread up because of some new developments.

First, according to the Wall Street Journal (unfortunately paywalled), San Miguel plans to pour in up to $8.5 billion in PR.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91138727&postcount=482

Quote:
San Miguel Corp.'s President Ramon Ang is placing a multibillion-dollar bet that he can reinvigorate Asia's oldest air carrier and tap into the growing buzz around the country's potential as Southeast Asia's next growth story.

Also, it's not only MNL which is increasing terminal fees: all government-run airports will see terminal fee increases in order to fund airport improvement projects and programs. (I was surprised to find out that PPS has been charging only P20 for the last 20 years.)

http://www.bworldonline.com/content....obsolete’-terminal-fees&id=50830

Quote:
REGULATORS are planning to hike the terminal fees of more than 70 domestic and international airports in a bid to generate funding for their development, an official said.

Abner B. Bondoc, the chief financial officer of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP), said the government wants to increase the “obsolete” terminal fees for airports, which are under the CAAP’s watch.

“For instance, the P20 terminal fee in Puerto Princesa have been the terminal fee for the past 20 years, if I am not mistaken,” Mr. Bondoc said in an interview late last week.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-07 02:25:27 and read 18790 times.

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 58):
Speaking of CGY (Cagayan de Oro) Do you guys have any updates on the new Laguindingan International Airport?

The new airport should be completed by this year (I think). The good thing too is that the new airport will have an observation deck!  (BCD and CEB also have, but they're closed to the general public owing to security concerns.)

These photos were released just a few days ago: http://www.cdodev.com/2012/05/03/ran...ngan-airport-with-interior-photos/

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 58):
Does any one know if we could instead check-in at CGY for our 5J flight from CEB to PPS? (We're not flying with checked luggage)

You should be able to check in through to PPS from CGY, but I'm not sure if this is possible from CEB. Most check-through routings on 5J normally go through MNL.

(An older version of the 5J route map shows routings which can be checked through via MNL or CEB, but it has since been removed.)

[Edited 2012-05-07 02:27:00]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-08 07:32:18 and read 18463 times.

Quoting sq_ek_freak (Reply 54):
I didn't realize MNL has a curfew - what time does it start, and what time does it end? I've been delayed on CX 905 in the past and gotten in around 0130-0200 in the past, and have flown in on PR from LAX and have arrived early around 0430-0500 as well...?

There can be no scheduled takeoffs or landings (if I'm not mistaken) between 1:00 am and 4:00 am, as this is the time the MIAA undertakes maintenance work on the runways.

Speaking of MNL, owing to its (worsening) congestion problems, some solutions are being ironed out, including:

-Moving general aviation to SGL (Sangley Point)
-Slot control to encourage more evening flights (daytime prices will double while evening prices will be reduced by 25%)
-06/24 will be designated as a captain-only runway (13/31 is currently designated as captain-only)
-Expanding the number of night-capable airports from the current 12 (MNL, CEB, LAO, ILO, BCD, ZAM, DVO, TAC, KLO, CGY, PPS and GES) to 26 (the 12 mentioned earlier plus DPL, TAG, LGP, DGT, BXU, OZC, CBO, WNP, RXS, PAG, TUG, USU, SJI and SUG). This will require P800 million in capital outlays, plus operational expenses.
-Construction of two P300-million rapid exit taxiways (not mentioned in the article)

Also, in the same article, some good news for travelers: terminal fees for domestic flights will be incorporated into the ticket price starting August 1.   

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/...ghts-it-seeks-ease-naia-congestion

[Edited 2012-05-08 07:52:03]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-08 11:15:09 and read 18373 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 56):
According to the Daily Tribune, it turns out that Z2 is funding the renovations, and the terminal will house all Z2 flights, both domestic and international.

With the P1B+ released to them, the MIAA should do that too and more at T1. It shows what could be achieved if one is spending his own money and careful with where it goes.


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 59):
San Miguel plans to pour in up to $8.5 billion in PR.

                         

100 planes in five years might be a bit OTT! I hope this doesn't result to a drastic increase in the price of their bread and butter staple.....  .

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http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi....jpg/523px-San_Miguel_Beer-set.jpg

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 60):
These photos were released just a few days ago:
http://www.cdodev.com/wp-content/themes/responz/themify/img.php?src=http://www.cdodev.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lag11.jpg&w=990&h=420.
http://www.cdodev.com/wp-content/the...oads/2012/03/lag11.jpg&w=990&h=420

http://mxn.cdodev.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/laguindingan-14-copy.jpg.
http://mxn.cdodev.com/wp-content/upl...s/2012/05/laguindingan-14-copy.jpg

http://mxn.cdodev.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/laguindingan-10-copy.jpg.
http://mxn.cdodev.com/wp-content/upl...s/2012/05/laguindingan-10-copy.jpg

Thanks.....very nice!   .


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 61):
-Moving general aviation to SGL (Sangley Point)

This is a very good move.....it will decongest the immediate airspace around NAIA and enhance air safety considerably. The PAF could transfer to Cubi Point and use the facilities vacated by FedEx's exit. They could set up a joint base with the PN who could occupy the berthing facilities there so they could share the maintenance and operations burden while maximizing the use of the otherwise idle station. At the same time, they would be closer to the critical areas in the West Philippine Sea but still buffered from the population center.

[Edited 2012-05-08 11:50:46]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-08 14:45:33 and read 18316 times.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 57):
Rather than build a new airport very near an active volcano, we wouldn't it be better to upgrade RPUN to accommodate bigger airplanes.

I read somewhere that expanding WNP will be impossible owing to the airport's runway alignment, which exposes aircraft to crosswinds. There have been rumors floating around though of a possible new airport in Libmanan, west of Naga.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 62):
With the P1B+ released to them, the MIAA should do that too and more at T1. It shows what could be achieved if one is spending his own money and careful with where it goes.

They're already doing renovation work though in NAIA-1, which is entirely MIAA-funded. Why Z2 is renovating the Domestic Terminal is beyond my comprehension at the moment.

These pictures might help. 

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91128675&postcount=269

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 59):
First, according to the Wall Street Journal (unfortunately paywalled), San Miguel plans to pour in up to $8.5 billion in PR.
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 62):
100 planes in five years might be a bit OTT! I hope this doesn't result to a drastic increase in the price of their bread and butter staple.....  .

A kind soul on SkyscraperCity posted the full article. 

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91158190&postcount=305

According to the article, PR will be pouring in up to $8.5 billion over ten years, so I highly doubt that will lead to sudden increases in the price of San Miguel beer.  

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 62):
The PAF could transfer to Cubi Point and use the facilities vacated by FedEx's exit.

They're moving to CGY (Lumbia, not Laguindingan). I would agree with a move though to SFS, which seems more strategic, although I think it would be more costly to set up military operations in a new airport rather than move air assets to an airport which already serves as a major base for the PAF.

Also, wouldn't the SBMA need to be involved in this?

[Edited 2012-05-08 14:52:30]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: COSPN
Posted 2012-05-08 17:39:00 and read 18244 times.

Good Idea ..

Cool Idea Move GA from RPLL MNL to RPLS SGY Cavite

General flights transferred to Sangley

Meanwhile, the Manila International Airport Authority is in talks with the
Department of National Defense to transfer all general aviation flights to
Sangley Point, Cavite in a month's time. This is expected to decongest the
NAIA runway, since there are 82 general aviation flights a day.

Companies that run tourism flights, such as those to Amanpulo, Batanes or El
Nido, will only be allowed 1 takeoff and 1 landing each between the peak hours
of 7 a.m. to 4 p.m. Currently, there are no limits to tourism flights.

Two rapid exit taxiways worth P300 million each will be constructed. They are
expected to be completed early 2013. They are expected to increase airports'
flight handling capacity from 36 to a target of 45 events.

Commercial flight arrivals and departures will also be grouped together to
improve runway usage. Based on the plan, from 7 a.m. to 7:15 a.m. 10 takeoffs
will be allowed, followed by 10 landings at 7:15 to 7:30 am. This is expected
to add 2 to 4 movements per hour

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-08 18:41:11 and read 18211 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
Why Z2 is renovating the Domestic Terminal is beyond my comprehension at the moment.

Perhaps the MIAA had other plans for it, and Z2 couldn't have their way unless they paid for the renovation.


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
These pictures might help.

Thanks a lot. It's so much lighter and airier now.....airline passengers will have a more pleasant wait. Are some of the white ceiling fixtures part of the fire protection system?

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
According to the article, PR will be pouring in up to $8.5 billion over ten years

Ahh...that sounds more manageable then.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
so I highly doubt that will lead to sudden increases in the price of San Miguel beer.

   That's very good to hear.....what a relief!   


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
They're moving to CGY (Lumbia, not Laguindingan).

IIRC, MD-500s make up most of the PAF aircraft at SGL so I guess it's okay for them to transfer to CGY, where they'd be nearer the COIN ops area..

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http://www.himantayon-cagayan.info/w...cagayan-de-oro-lumbia-airport1.jpg

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
I would agree with a move though to SFS, which seems more strategic, although I think it would be more costly to set up military operations in a new airport rather than move air assets to an airport which already serves as a major base for the PAF.

The MD-500s used to be stationed at NCP and shuttled between there and SGL. It was first and foremost a naval air station prior to FedEx's tenure, and would make an ideal base for when the PAF finally get their wished for jet fighters, if ever. It's highly doubtful that CGY could match even half of its facilities (if not damaged or stolen by vandals in the intervening years.)

http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/military_service/NAS%20Cubi%20Pt.jpg.
http://web.mst.edu/~rogersda/military_service/NAS%20Cubi%20Pt.jpg

But this belongs to MilAv.....lest the Mods banish us.   .


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):

Also, wouldn't the SBMA need to be involved in this?

That would be the main impediment, and it isn't likely that they would cede their turf easily.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-05-17 07:53:03 and read 17668 times.

Domestic air travel in Q1 rose by 13% from 4.57 to 5.16 million passengers.

http://www.rappler.com/business/5168...mestic-air-traffic-by-13-to-5-16-m

International air travel in Q1 rose by almost 12% from 3.85 to 4.3 million passengers.

http://www.rappler.com/business/5484...ts-passenger-traffic-up-11-6-in-q1

Average loads on different international airlines at MNL during the first three months of 2012:

SQ 4 daily 772: 224 Passengers (78% LF)
EK 2 daily 77W: 412 Passengers (93% LF)
EY 2 daily 77W: 360 Passengers (87% LF) Note: High loads despite recenlty up from 12 to 14 weekly
JL: 2 daily 763: 189 Passengers (Over 80% LF)
CX: 44 weekly: 313 Passengers (?LF) Note: Including daily CEB

Quoting jetblue777 (Reply 58):
And I think SQ downgraded its MNL flight to 3x Daily, not sure if it's a seasonal change or not

This is only for three weeks during july/august. They were stalking the gov for the allowance of a fourth daily for many years until they were granted rights about two years ago, so I don't think they're planning on letting the fourth daily go anytime soon.

/Alex

[Edited 2012-05-17 07:56:24]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-05-17 08:28:23 and read 17651 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 66):
EK 2 daily 77W: 412 Passengers (93% LF)

Does anyone know when Emirates will recieve their first 2-class A380?? Already back in 2006 they claimed that Manila was one of their absolute first candidates for the 2-class configuration of the Superjumbo. When seeing these numbers, one doesn't need to wonder why!

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-05-17 09:15:43 and read 17627 times.

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 45):
No more San Diego? That figures! I knew it was too good to be true.

Last year I would have tried to convince you otherwise D, but I've run really low on optimism here. The whole Cat I/II thing has seemed to be pretty much insurmountable for the Philippines. And now, on top of that, we have a change of management and ownership at PR which undoubtedly has different priorities than the former.

So yeah, I also pretty much give up and will expect to (eventually, maybe) see PR flying (only) to all the usual places that foreign flags like to land in the U.S. -- JFK, ORD, SEA, IAD, MIA, etc... And most of the talk -- including other threads -- now seems to center on JFK.

Besides, reading a few articles about things said by the new management of PR, I have little faith that things are going to improve much at all anyway! Here's a link to an A.net thread about a recent interview with Ang:
Ramon Ang: Give Me 1 Year To Turn PAL Around (by Akiestar May 13 2012 in Civil Aviation)

It was a fun ride for San Diego while it lasted but then talk is cheap and easy. PR had a great opportunity to be the first carrier to connect SAN with that part of the world when they applied for SAN-YVR-MNL in January of 2008! Wow, four and a half years ago, and we are much further away from it happening than before...

bb

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-17 10:16:50 and read 17589 times.

Apparently, due to the standoff over Scarborough Shoal (Bajo de Masinloc/Panatag/Huangyan/what-have-you), there has been a number of significant changes to flights between the Philippines and China.

*KLO-PVG (Z2): suspended since May 12
*KLO-PVG (5J): suspended
*KLO-PEK (2P): suspended since May 12

*MNL-JJN (Z2): suspended
*MNL-CAN (CZ): reduction in frequencies from 2x daily to 1x daily

*CEB-PVG (Z2): suspended

Except for MNL-CAN, info on suspensions came from TV5:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=91316400&postcount=953

[Edited 2012-05-17 10:25:10]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-05-17 10:32:29 and read 17558 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 69):
*KLO-PVG (5J): suspended
*KLO-PEK (2P): suspended since May 12

Aren't these charter services?

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 69):
*MNL-CAN (CZ): reduction in frequencies from 2x daily to 1x daily

As I understand it, this reduction is just temporary.

(In fact, I suppose all of these reductions are temporary until it's all solved)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-17 11:20:42 and read 17530 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 70):
Aren't these charter services?

Scheduled charters.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-05-17 16:04:17 and read 17503 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 66):
EK 2 daily 77W: 412 Passengers (93% LF)
EY 2 daily 77W: 360 Passengers (87% LF)

Lots of OFW, the Philippines number one export.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
I read somewhere that expanding WNP will be impossible owing to the airport's runway alignment, which exposes aircraft to crosswinds.

Also, looks like the runway points toward Mt. Isarog.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 63):
There have been rumors floating around though of a possible new airport in Libmanan, west of Naga.

Another plan in the region. What are the chances of it getting built? Probably slim and none, unless "Survivor" in Caramoan brings in a lot of tourists.  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-05-22 18:26:16 and read 17145 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 53):
That's the so-called "Bicol International Airport" which will be built in Daraga

NPA "Nice People Around" rebels recently raided the construction site and destroyed some equipment.


http://www.philstar.com/nation/artic...nSubCategoryId=67&articleId=808697

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-05-25 04:24:29 and read 16734 times.

On October 28 KE will add a third daily flight on ICN-MNL, which will be operated by a mix of 738/739.
The other two flights are flown by 773 and 333.

Also, between July 28 and August 24 Korean is depolying the 747-400 on their daily flight to Cebu!

None of this is surprising as Korean visitors to the Philippines will reach one million this year!

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-26 04:44:56 and read 16636 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 69):
Quoting MHG (Reply 30):
Quoting RobK (Reply 16):
Anyone have info on where Seair's newish B732 RP-C4737 operates to/from please?

It operates solely between Clark (CRK) and Cebu (CEB)
... and it´s cargo only ! So, no chance for a ride ...
During daytime it´s usually parked at CRK.

Just saw a photo indicating that it is flying for Seair Cargo from CRK.....

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Another recent photo in the DB shows a BAe-146 of new operator Skyjet offering "with frills" service to Basco, Batanes.....

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Good that there's a choice now for flying there.

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http://www.itbayat.com/batanes2.jpg

Would be interesting to see it negotiate the 4,101' (1,250 m) runway during high wind conditions.

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http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=mnl-bso&MS=wls&MR=60&MX=540x540&PM=*


Other recent photos show Seair's Let 410s undergoing modifications at Clark.....

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.....including two returned frames from Bangladesh. Wish other carriers would just pick up both for conversion into cargo planes, to replace their old freighters lost in accidents.


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 69):

Are Dragonair's and Seair's services affected as well?

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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-05-26 13:54:34 and read 16502 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 75):

Another recent photo in the DB shows a BAe-146 of new operator Skyjet offering "with frills" service to Basco, Batanes.....

The aircraft has already lost it´s large Skyjet titles.
Those were replaced by rather small (in size) "BCTA Batanes Cultural Travel Agency - operated by Lionair"

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 75):
Other recent photos show Seair's Let 410s undergoing modifications at Clark.....

... not really.
They are parked and except for the two Ruposhi Bangla Airlines aircraft that were rejected by the Bangladesh CAA they are all in a poor condition mainly used as spares. I don´t see any of those fly again - at least not in the near future.
Nobody is easy to invest in mandatory upgrades/adjustments (due to AD´s issued by EASA that were never executed on these aircraft) when the investment for these upgrades easily exceeds the actual aircraft´s value ...

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-26 16:58:50 and read 16468 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 76):
Those were replaced by rather small (in size) "BCTA Batanes Cultural Travel Agency - operated by Lionair"

No wonder.....with a name that long!  .

That leaves this other Philippine registered jet unaccounted for.....

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.....although its provenance is well established.....

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Quoting MHG (Reply 76):
Nobody is easy to invest in mandatory upgrades/adjustments (due to AD´s issued by EASA that were never executed on these aircraft) when the investment for these upgrades easily exceeds the actual aircraft´s value ...

The caption says the AD was for extra emergency exits and other modifications. Don't know if the "other modifications" were minor...but would the additional exits and the "others" still be required if those Lets were to be converted to freighters? I understand fitting a bigger cargo door is a substantial modification --- but might they not be able to get by with the existing passenger doors?

In the meantime, Seair's Dornier 328s seem to be doing fine at BSO.....

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/angkulet/5071425972/


Going back to T1 at NAIA...the concourses do not look half-bad---especially if T1 would be transformed to an LCC terminal --- and the full-service international airlines would all transfer to T3.

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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-05-27 01:47:19 and read 16453 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 77):
The caption says the AD was for extra emergency exits and other modifications. Don't know if the "other modifications" were minor...but would the additional exits and the "others" still be required if those Lets were to be converted to freighters? I understand fitting a bigger cargo door is a substantial modification --- but might they not be able to get by with the existing passenger doors?

Well, the additional emergency exits is required for pax ops only.
But the other modifications (part "B") still remain mandatory.
Here´s the link to EASA´s official AD:
http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2008-0104

[Edited 2012-05-27 01:54:37]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-27 09:36:19 and read 16332 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 78):
But the other modifications (part "B") still remain mandatory.
Here´s the link to EASA´s official AD:

Thank you very much for the link. Items 1-4 are pretty straightforward, while 5-10 are more involved and challenging... though I believe still within the competence of local technicians. Item 11 will not apply to freighters but a substitute guideline for the deck and cargo restraint system may be required. Questionable need for Item 12 in a tropical country. Items 13 and 14 will need close scrutiny, IMHO.

As I see it, these could be accomplished in-country under the following provisions:

"or agreed with the Authority of the State of Registry [EC 216/2008, Article 14(4) exemption]"

"The modifications are to be implemented by Aircraft Industries a.s. although alternative methods of compliance may be accepted (see Remark 1 below)."

"Remarks : 1. If requested and appropriately substantiated, EASA can approve Alternative Methods of Compliance for this AD."

That is, if EASA finally recognized the CAAP's authority.....(even if the planes would only fly domestically?).


As SEAIR already has a cargo operation, they might find it worthwhile to have this sub-fleet of small freighters.....if the remaining airframe lives justified the costs of the mods --- and the engines, avionics and systems' overhaul ... when done locally.

[Edited 2012-05-27 09:41:49]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-27 10:05:44 and read 16325 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 75):
Are Dragonair's and Seair's services affected as well?

As far as I know, only service between the Philippines and mainland China are affected. Hong Kong and Macau services remain intact.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-05-27 13:51:02 and read 16233 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 79):
That is, if EASA finally recognized the CAAP's authority.....(even if the planes would only fly domestically?).

IIRC Seair is officially accredited by LET as maintenance facility for the LET-410.
So, I don´t see any issue with them doing the neccessary AD.
Your point regarding CAAP is valid of course - not that it would matter for pure domestic OPS, though ...
Seair has at least one LET-410 airworthy again and flies it on the MNL-MPH route along with the Dornier !
(I´m not sure but I think there´s already a second one operational with DG)

As a side note:
If I´m not totally wrong two out of three of Sky Pasada´s LET-410 were upgraded by Seair.
A third one seems to be (still) in Binalonan "under upgrade" done by WCC Aviation maintenance. I wish it´ll become airworthy eventually ...
Since one of the upgraded LET´s had a mishap at Itbayat upon landing recently (damage apparently beyond economical repair) Sky Pasada has only a single LET operational at the moment.







[Edited 2012-05-27 14:26:18]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-05-28 11:16:43 and read 15989 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 77):

That leaves this other Philippine registered jet unaccounted for.....

The operator is Royal Star Aviation (Philippines).
They only operate corporate charters.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-05-28 11:52:13 and read 16010 times.

In this article, Kenneth Gillberg of Finnair (Scandinavia) reveals Manila as one of the dozen destinations that are currently being investigated to further boost the airline's Asian expansion.

Low yield long hauls are difficult to run profitably because of high fuel prices, and in this case also beacause of the high competition with Gulf carriers. But one needs to remember that a HEL-MNL woud be 1,5 hours shorter than the former nonstop AMS-MNL, which is obviously not a huge saving of distance, but still quite significant.

http://www.travelreport.se/2012/05/2...finnair-siktar-pa-nya-asienlinjer/
(Only in Swedish)

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-05-28 19:25:22 and read 15892 times.

Hi, anyone with info on Tiger Airways Philippines? 3 brand new A320s coming shortly with RP-C registrations according to my sources.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-28 21:51:19 and read 15815 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 82):

The operator is Royal Star Aviation (Philippines).
They only operate corporate charters.

Thanks. And I thought they'd be the one to change names and not Skyjet.

Quoting RobK (Reply 84):

Those three must be part of the nine A320s ordered by the group for delivery this year, and allocated by lease to its local partner SEAIR.....

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They must've finally resolved the cabotage issues raised against them and are now in a position to take in more aircraft. Seair's president said two more frames are due next year for use on routes to China, Japan, South Korea and Malaysia.....plus new domestic destinations.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-05-28 22:46:11 and read 15771 times.

@ Devilfish, thanks. I did wonder if they'd be going to Seair as the RP-C registrations are similar to their current 2 'buses.

Also, it's interesting you've linked to the pic of 9V-TRF prior delivery. That aircraft has not entered revenue service since delivery in April and rumours are circulating that it is now in the Philippines being prepared for ops with Tiger Philippines/Seair. Any sightings?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-05-28 23:33:55 and read 15762 times.

Some updates to keep A.Net people up to speed on developments in the Philippines.

The most important bit so far: the CAAP has been making headway on the 23 remaining problem points of the FAA which, for some reason, blew up to 88 points. Now, the CAAP says that only two are unresolved.

http://www.ttgasia.com/article.php?article_id=3710

Quote:
THE CIVIL Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) has progressed in its efforts to persuade the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to upgrade the nation’s aviation safety rating.

Following last month’s technical review by FAA officials in Manila, CAAP director Mon Gutierrez said the eighty-eight 'significant findings' discovered during the FAA pre-audit in January had since been cut down to two.

CAAP is currently acting on FAA requests to develop a new technical training programme based on recognised international aviation standards. It will also facilitate a revalidation process of Philippine carriers flying international routes. It will apply for a new FAA audit once these requirements are met.

Well, we can only hope for the best. And I definitely hope so, since those two additional 77Ws are coming this year!

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To solve congestion problems at MNL, even fish runs (flights carrying marine products from the provinces to Manila) and corporate jets will be moved to SGL.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/na...er-bullet-to-solve-naia-congestion

Quote:
He said the next target would be the so-called fish run—small airplanes ferrying marine products from the provinces to the Naia. He said in two months, they would be transferred to Sangley Point, Cavite. This is true also for corporate jets.

They just can't be transferred at the moment since SGL still hosts the 15th Strike Wing of the Philippine Air Force. The wing will move next year to CGY: apparently, not to Lumbia, but to Laguindingan.

And also, another amusing development: a former congressman suggested giving police escorts, wang-wang (sirens) included, to shuttle buses going between MNL and CRK, until a high-speed rail link can be completed (within ten years, that is).

Quote:
For a long-term solution, which could be from five to 15 years, Honrado said the Miaa would have to consider the suggestions of former Rep. Renato V. Diaz, who used to sit at the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) and now president and chief executive officer of Investment and Capital Corp.

Diaz, another guest at the Kapihan sa Diamond media forum on Monday, said the government should consider reversing the wang-wang stand of the government, by providing police escorts to shuttle buses and vehicles from the Naia terminals up to Mindanao Avenue, at the entry point to the North Luzon Expressway.

From there, shuttle buses and vehicles would be able to enter the North Luzon Expressway and continue unimpeded up to the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (Dmia) for a faster travel time.

He said this is only a temporary solution, until the high-speed train to connect the Naia to Clark is realized in about 10 years.

Very amusing indeed. 

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PR definitely intends to fly to LHR as soon as it gets out of the EU blacklist, as according to Mar Roxas there are still unused frequencies. Although this begs the question: does PR still have its LHR slots?

http://business.inquirer.net/61845/pal-eyes-flights-to-heathrow

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines—San Miguel Corp.-led flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) is considering flights to London’s Heathrow airport once the country’s carriers are finally allowed to fly back to European Union member states.

Transportation and Communications Secretary Mar Roxas said the country’s oldest airline could have flights to the United Kingdom as part of its route expansion.

“Yes, PAL can fly to Heathrow because there are still unused frequencies,” Roxas said in an interview.

Roxas said the matter was discussed with the Lord Mayor of London Alderman David Wootton, who was in Manila for a visit last week.

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There's a bunch of other news too, but I won't post links to the articles:

*The CAB announced that it will increase the amount of compensation being granted to bumped-off passengers
*Some 2P executives have moved to Z2 as Ramon Ang consolidates San Miguel's control over PR and 2P

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-05-29 09:34:17 and read 15634 times.

RP-C7775 B77W due to make first flight in just over and hour and half as BOE991. Delivery planned for Jun 20.   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-29 11:32:36 and read 15570 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 86):
That aircraft has not entered revenue service since delivery in April and rumours are circulating that it is now in the Philippines being prepared for ops with Tiger Philippines/Seair.

It was reported last year that Tiger Singapore already took charge of aircraft intended for its Philippine affiliate to use on flights to Cebu and Davao... possibly owing to the delay brought about by the claims.

Quoting RobK (Reply 86):
Any sightings?

Sorry, am out of country.....perhaps others managed to snap a photo or two.  .

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 87):
Some updates to keep A.Net people up to speed on developments in the Philippines.

Here's another.....

http://business.inquirer.net/62143/d...air-starts-clark-hong-kong-service


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 87):
To solve congestion problems at MNL, even fish runs (flights carrying marine products from the provinces to Manila) [.....] will be moved to SGL.

Had precisely these runs in mind when I suggested that other carriers pick up the Let-410s for conversion to freighters. Those are rugged airframes able to take rough treatment better than a few of the single-engine types now in use for that job. There are some more years of tough flying left in those -410s.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 87):
*Some 2P executives have moved to Z2 as Ramon Ang consolidates San Miguel's control over PR and 2P

Let us wish those good people well in their new jobs.

Quoting RobK (Reply 88):
RP-C7775 B77W due to make first flight in just over and hour and half as BOE991. Delivery planned for Jun 20.

Better have Cat 2 sorted out very soon lest there be overcapacity on their YVR run, or another 77W flying short-haul regional......and amortizing these heavies thru those. Assuming there are still unused entitlements in the bilaterals and slots are available, could PR use the 77W to the Middle East despite the blacklist? They might be constrained to delay delivery otherwise.....but it'd cost them more.

[Edited 2012-05-29 12:01:53]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-05-31 10:39:43 and read 15321 times.

Here's another welcome news for connecting passengers.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...2/05/naia-terminals-connected.html

Quote:
"The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) is connecting its Terminals 1, 2, 3, and 4 by September after acquiring 10 brand-new shuttle buses to ply exclusively between terminals for the convenience of passengers in a drive to improve its image and services.

'There will be 10 new free shuttle buses in four months,' says MIAA Head Jose Angel Honrado.

Honrado said the brand new buses would ply the loop that goes through the service road inside the airport compound, expediting its travel time between terminals by passengers wishing to transfer and catch flight from one terminal to another."


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...d/db/NAIAMap.png/627px-NAIAMap.png


Shuttle intervals were not mentioned.....although the reduced travel time between terminals and enhanced security (not to mention an option to the predatory airport taxis) will surely be of benefit to the flying public.   


[Edited 2012-05-31 11:10:21]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-05-31 12:25:32 and read 15269 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 89):
Honrado said the brand new buses would ply the loop that goes through the service road inside the airport compound, expediting its travel time between terminals by passengers wishing to transfer and catch flight from one terminal to another."

Sounds like a good short-term solution.
But it makes me wonder how they handle security then ...
Especially for passengers connecting on two separate tickets. Not everybody flies with PAL domestic.
A significant number of passengers connects at MNL using two separate bookings (which usually saves $$$$$$ ! )

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-06-01 14:19:03 and read 15110 times.

Now the FAA warns of corrupt inspectors who continue to implement lax regulation, licensing and certification procedures as the country works to update security screening at 45 airports.

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/phili...ces-corruption-headwinds-1.1030438

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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-06-07 00:12:51 and read 14713 times.

*On July 20 PAL is adding a third daily MNL-ICN with an A320 (in addiation to existing double daily A333).

*On October 28 Korean Air is also adding a third daily MNL-ICN with a B738/739 (in addition to double daily A333/773).

*SEAir is doing a major launch of domestic destinations from MNL in August. These include:

3 daily CEB
2 daily DVO
1 daily ILO
1 daily BCD
1 daily KLO
1 daily PPS
1 daily TAC

All operated by A319/A320.

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-06-07 14:05:55 and read 14569 times.

Further to the shuttle service mulled for NAIA, the blog added this photo of the bus that may be fielded.....

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http://motoburg.com/images/cobus-3000-03.jpg



In other news, new MRO facility opens at Clark.....

http://business.inquirer.net/63249/m...raft-maintenance-facility-in-clark

Quote:
"The second billion-peso aircraft maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facility at Clark Freeport, Pampanga, opens this week, solidifying the country’s position as a global hub for aviation services.

In a statement on Monday, Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) announced that Hong Kong’s Metrojet Engineering is opening its P1.75-billion MRO facility on three hectares of land at the former US military base.

'Metrojet will start catering Fixed Based Operations for Corporate Jets in its first MRO facility that will also service various types of aircraft and capacities at the aviation complex,' CIAC president and CEO Victor Luciano said in a statement.

CIAC signed the deal with Metrojet’s Philippine representative, First CP Hangar Corp., last December."




5J has signed a $280M engine maintenance deal with RR for its Trent 700 powered A330s.....

http://business.inquirer.net/63607/c...-maintenance-deal-with-rolls-royce

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines—Cebu Pacific has signed a $280-million deal with auto and aviation company Rolls Royce for the maintenance of jet engines to be used on as many as eight long-haul aircraft the airline will add to its fleet next year.

The Gokongwei firm on Wednesday announced that it had formalized its deal with the British company as part of its plan to launch flights outside of Asia by late 2013.

'We are delighted to sign this contract with TotalCare today for our Airbus A330s. Cebu Pacific’s fleet expansion will enable us to launch long-haul operations and serve markets outside Asia-Pacific, including those in Europe, the Middle East, Oceania and the United States,' Cebu Pacific president Lance Gokongwei said."




Quoting CityAirline (Reply 92):
*SEAir is doing a major launch of domestic destinations from MNL in August.
INQ.net reports that Seair is offering those new routes at special introductory rates.....

http://business.inquirer.net/63563/s...even-cities-offers-great-seat-sale

Quote:
"In celebration of the new routes, SEAir is offering 28,000 seats at special rates starting from P595. The fares will be available for sale until June 13, 2012, for travel until Oct. 31, 2012. Travelers can avail of one-way fares from Manila to Cebu at P655, Manila to Tacloban and Puerto Princesa at P645, Manila to Iloilo and Bacolod at P699, Manila to Davao at P949, and Manila to Kalibo at P595."


Also, that Tiger Airways paid $7M for 40% of Seair.....

http://business.inquirer.net/63903/tiger-airways-buys-40-of-seair

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines—Singapore budget airline Tiger Airways has paid $7 million for a 40 percent stake in low-cost Philippine carrier South East Asian Airlines, SEAir said Thursday.

Tiger bought out previous foreign investors in a cash deal that should boost the fortunes of tiny SEAir, the Philippine firm’s chief operating officer, Patrick Tan, said.

The stake is the maximum any foreign airline can take under the Philippines’ constitution."




.....and that 3 A320s will begin arriving starting on the fourth week of July.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ger-adds-3-a320s-for-domestic.html



Not to be outdone, Zest Air announces 4 forthcoming A333s in lieu of T7s.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...330-for-zest-air-drops-triple.html


[Edited 2012-06-07 14:55:23]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-06-16 11:26:16 and read 14139 times.

Hi guys, I've noticed AirAsia Philippines have now started ops. Can anyone tell me what their callsign is on the airband please as I've been unable to make it out? Thanks. The wiki says their callsign is "Cool Red" but when I heard Manila on HF calling one it sounded like "Air (?)". Also their ICAO ID is APG, not AAU that the wiki says, so someone may like to amend that too.

Thanks.   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-06-16 14:51:08 and read 14050 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 94):
The wiki says their callsign is "Cool Red" but when I heard Manila on HF calling one it sounded like "Air (?)".

Now heard them again and it is indeed Cool Red after all.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-06-16 18:51:13 and read 13978 times.

It seems there are those who do not want the rejection of 5J's and Zest Air's applications for services to the Middle East discussed on here. I distinctly remember MHG commenting on it, but cannot now find the post to reply to.

Anyway, here is the link to that subject.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...ld-only-pal-has-rights-to-fly.html

Quote:
"'Its the same reason for the other Gulf States where PAL and their foreign partners owned all the rights. Thats why we denied their request because all the entitlements were awarded. You cannot just revoke the entitlements like that because the other foreign airline will be affected,' Arcilla adds.

Spirit of Manila, an airline based in Clark, wasn't able to launch flight to the middle east either because of the same reason, lack of authority to transport passengers.

Cebu Pacific and Zest Air earlier requested CAB to re-allocate to it some of the flight entitlements the government has negotiated with Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates which was awarded to PAL saying that they never used the entitlements given to them.

Arcilla said that while flights to Saudi Arabia are not presently code-shared, PAL isn't giving up on them as shown on their recent flights which was temporarily suspended in April 2 last year due to aircraft shortage problem."



So, what happens now to 5J's leased Trent 700 A333s? Unlikely that 2P would take those on a sub-lease.  

Edit: Found the post in the other 5J thread on Oman.  embarrassed 


On a more hopeful note...local airport terminal projects may be inching towards realization    .....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...inish-upgrade-of-8-provincial.html

[Edited 2012-06-16 19:33:43]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: PA110
Posted 2012-06-16 19:35:02 and read 13955 times.

Having just returned from a trip to the Philippines, and after reading this discussion, there's one issue nobody seems to be discussing, that affected all our flights in/out of MNL. There's been a dramatic increase in domestic service within the Philippines with the growth of Cebu Pacific, Zest, AirPhilExpress and others. There is too much traffic for the existing intersecting runways. Our flights to/from Dumaguete were delayed by 90 minutes in both directions due to "air traffic control". MNL needs a parallel runway to cope with the heavy demand.

That said, for a brand new terminal, I was very unimpressed with T3. Cebu Pacific is the biggest tenant, but doesn't even use the jet bridges. They pull up to the gate and stop just shy of the jet bridge. They then wheel stairs to forward and aft doors and everyone boards busses to the terminal. The departure lounge for flights at remote stands is incredibibly cramped and dreary. You'd never know it was a brand new terminal.

From an outsider's perspective, it's hard to understand how the tourism infrastructure can be so well developed in other areas, and the airport is by comparison, so disorganized and poorly maintained.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-06-16 22:27:55 and read 13865 times.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
Having just returned from a trip to the Philippines, and after reading this discussion, there's one issue nobody seems to be discussing, that affected all our flights in/out of MNL. There's been a dramatic increase in domestic service within the Philippines with the growth of Cebu Pacific, Zest, AirPhilExpress and others. There is too much traffic for the existing intersecting runways.

The links in Replies 50 and 61 talk about quick fixes to the problems.


Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
Our flights to/from Dumaguete were delayed by 90 minutes in both directions due to "air traffic control". MNL needs a parallel runway to cope with the heavy demand.

Look at the the following photos closely.....

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Even if you expropriate the properties outside the bend in the fence and bulldoze the crash fire station to create a straight, unobstructed space for the parallel runway --- the separation distance between runway centerlines still won't meet ICAO standards. Not to mention the new taxiway that would be needed due to the hugely increased movements.

The situation at the intersecting runway facing T3 is much worse. And all of those before considering access, runway length, orientation, potential obstructions, cargo handling and new aircraft parking aprons!


Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):

That said, for a brand new terminal, I was very unimpressed with T3.
T3 is at least 10 years old now...hardly brand new.


Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
Cebu Pacific is the biggest tenant, but doesn't even use the jet bridges. They pull up to the gate and stop just shy of the jet bridge. They then wheel stairs to forward and aft doors and everyone boards busses to the terminal.

It's been whispered that 5J is too cheap to pay for the use of the jetbridges.   

Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
The departure lounge for flights at remote stands is incredibibly cramped and dreary. You'd never know it was a brand new terminal.

Paging MIAA management.....  .

Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
From an outsider's perspective, it's hard to understand how the tourism infrastructure can be so well developed in other areas, and the airport is by comparison, so disorganized and poorly maintained.

To put it in context, it's still a Third World economy however much Government bureaucrats try to burnish the image. The permanent solution (CRK) might or might not come within our lifetimes. Not putting the country down nor making excuses. Just observations.

[Edited 2012-06-16 23:31:02]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-06-17 04:05:02 and read 13757 times.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 98):
Having just returned from a trip to the Philippines, and after reading this discussion, there's one issue nobody seems to be discussing,

The congestion of MNL is (together with the Cat II downgrade) the most dicussed topic in the Philippine avaiton threads!

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 99):
To put it in context, it's still a Third World economy however much Government bureaucrats try to burnish the image.

The Philippines is so far from flawless. But I don't find it odd anymore that people around the world look down on the country and Filipinos, when you yourselves don't have any confidence or pride. During the first quarter 2012, the Philippine economy grew second fastest in the East-/South-/Southeast Asian region by 6.4%, which is faster than India, Indonesia, Singapore and others, and where Thailand saw 0,4% growth. Irregardless of why (thanks to politicians or OFWs?) the economy is taking major steps in the right direction.

I am also frustrated that the development of CRK is extremely slow, but it isn't cheap to construct an airport just like that. In fact, I think the government has invested in all the medium-sized airports around the nation, such as ILO, BCD, CGY whereas CEB is currently being expanded with two extra gate areas including jetways. Am I wrong?

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-06-17 14:58:03 and read 13603 times.

Quoting PA110 (Reply 97):
I was very unimpressed with T3.

Forgot to say this.....its foremost function is to satisfactorily meet a need, not to impress. Of course, it'd be great if it could do both!


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 99):
But I don't find it odd anymore that people around the world look down on the country and Filipinos, when you yourselves don't have any confidence or pride.

Look who are the only ones proudly flying the flag beside their user names on here, and don't mistake pragmatism for lack of confidence. Reality checks help maintain focus....not leave heads in the clouds.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 99):
Irregardless of why (thanks to politicians or OFWs?) the economy is taking major steps in the right direction.

I give credit where it is due...mainly the OFWs, though the country's economic managers rightly deserve recognition too - for not squandering the fruits of their countrymen's toils. Wish I could say as much of the politicians... but in fairness, the new breed do show signs of promise.


Quoting CityAirline (Reply 99):
I am also frustrated that the development of CRK is extremely slow, but it isn't cheap to construct an airport just like that.

I, for one, am not frustrated.....that's what it takes to have it. So long as they do not waver.


[quote=CityAirline,reply=99] In fact, I think the government has invested in all the medium-sized airports around the nation

And who has been patiently chronicling those projects here?


[quote=CityAirline,reply=99] Am I wrong?

I think you're missing the forest for the trees. Critical thought does not equate to "crab mentality".

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-06-18 14:57:33 and read 13371 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 98):
The permanent solution (CRK) might or might not come within our lifetimes.

I´d not expect to see it happen in this life judging the pace of real developments in this country - unfortunately ...
In particular the non-existence of proper ground infrastructure (rail+road) to connect with Manila will jeopardize any solid growth at CRK.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 100):
Look who are the only ones proudly flying the flag beside their user names on here, and don't mistake pragmatism for lack of confidence. Reality checks help maintain focus....not leave heads in the clouds.

Well, unfortunately this reality check is maintained by too few Filipinos that are at the switchboards ...
Still, I am really happy to get to know Filipinos with true pragmatism here in this thread !!!
(and I´m not judging as a Filipino - just married to a Cebuana, though ...)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-06-18 17:59:31 and read 13498 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 100):
Wish I could say as much of the politicians... but in fairness, the new breed do show signs of promise.

But the old breed refuse to die. Guess who might be the next mayor of Manila? Celebrity status goes a long way in Philippine politics.

Okay, back to the topic...

No thoughts, never mind.  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-06-20 01:59:04 and read 13279 times.

I'm afraid the EK loads are way higher than 93%. And the figure I have comes directly from DXB, so has to be kept a secret. The paid J load is shocking though so basic EK Skywards card should give you a decent shot at an upgrade.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: flyhigh@tom
Posted 2012-06-20 02:58:07 and read 13256 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 103):
I'm afraid the EK loads are way higher than 93%. And the figure I have comes directly from DXB, so has to be kept a secret. The paid J load is shocking though so basic EK Skywards card should give you a decent shot at an upgrade.

I concur! I have the ZED fares with ID 90 for a standby ticket or ID50 for the confirmed ticket. However even with the ID50 all i end up is a wait listed ticket. (The ID 50 confirmed ticket works on all other routes that i have tried) . On paying full fare with skywards, 24 hours prior to departure usually end up getting an upgrade chance for about 1400 AED for the DXB-MNL sector. So EK make sure that J class can be filled and frees up some more seats in Y which for sure will get filled!

So PAL is codesharing with EK but they themselves do not operate any flts to ME. Shame 5J is not given a chance to operate to DXB or SHJ. Wonder what else they will do with the 330s coming in next year. Maybe they should try CRK-SHJ or CRK-AUH instead of MNL-DXB.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-06-26 13:10:09 and read 12944 times.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 104):
Wonder what else they will do with the 330s coming in next year.

While the CAAP said only PR could serve the ME, there's still no formal denial from Oman of 5J's request. If they're denied, the A333's lease and maintenance contracts would be in jeopardy.


Wonder what else PR would do with this 77W coming shortly other than to fly it to Australia, Hong Kong, Japan and Canada?

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Another fine aircraft in search of its true mission.


In other news.....

http://business.inquirer.net/64197/a...ippines-begins-flights-to-malaysia

http://business.inquirer.net/67475/a...ing-to-bangkoks-don-mueang-airport


Moves in the right direction?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-07-07 03:20:21 and read 12546 times.

MNL passes the 30 million mark in passenger numbers for the first time, as it handled 30,410,846 during the 12 months to March this year, which is up by almost 900,000 in only three months.

At the same time, CRK reports a 54% growth for the first half of 2012, reaching 547,556 passengers.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 105):

Wonder what else PR would do with this 77W coming shortly other than to fly it to Australia, Hong Kong, Japan and Canada?

It really is sad. Letting six 77Ws fly around Asia and Australia next year would be a total miss of its initial purpose.

/Alex

[Edited 2012-07-07 03:25:59]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-07-07 08:02:17 and read 12447 times.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 104):
Shame 5J is not given a chance to operate to DXB or SHJ.

They're trying a different tack.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...o-use-routesonline-for-flight.html

July 3, 2012

Quote:
"Cebu Pacific Air, the fast-expanding Philippines-based low-cost carrier, has entered into a partnership with Routes online, the online platform of Routes, to utilise its Route Exchange product to support its short-haul network expansion across Asia and its growth into medium and long-haul markets.

A formal Request for Proposals (RFP) was launched today via Route Exchange and is working with Routesonline to open confidential discussions with airports to support the next stage of its network growth. With 52 additional short-haul aircraft, including new Airbus A320neos and up to eight widebodies on order, Cebu Pacific Air is seeking to gather data and proposals on the Southeast Asia, Japan, South Korea and Chinese markets for its short-haul equipment and the Middle East and Oceania for its A330-300s."


Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 104):
Maybe they should try CRK-SHJ or CRK-AUH instead of MNL-DXB.

5J prefers their medium/long international flights to operate out of MNL.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2012/07/5j-wants.html

July 2, 2012

Quote:
"Cebu Pacific wants their planned 2013 long-haul flights to originate in Manila instead of the sprawling Clark complex.

Cebu Pacific president and CEO Lance Gokongwei said on Thursday, June 28 that connectivity is the main reason for insisting on operating at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA).

'Yes we can fly long haul out of Clark but our intention is to fly long haul primarily out of Manila because the market is in Manila,' Gokongwei explained, saying it is crucial in planning a route network that combines international flights involving destinations abroad over 4 hours away, and feeder flights."





Quoting CityAirline (Reply 106):
It really is sad. Letting six 77Ws fly around Asia and Australia next year would be a total miss of its initial purpose.

For all of the airline world's pontifications about open skies, it's plainly evident that many are jumping on the Cat II bandwagon as a convenient excuse to stifle competition.

As it is, Philippine LCCs are now not allowed to expand into Japan.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.c...pino-lccs-locked-out-of-japan.html

July 5, 2012

Quote:
"The Philippines Low Cost Carrier (LCCs) cannot expand in Japan due to a Japan Civil Aviation Bureau (JCAB) recent restriction which essentially follows US determinations relating to a country’s safety category. The Philippines for a number of years now has been denied US FAA Category 1 status, the normal level.

As a result of not being Category 1, Filipino carriers serving the US cannot open any new routes or change frequency or aircraft. As Japan has chosen to follow this determination, the same restrictions apply on Filipino carriers serving Japan."



Well, just another one of the myriad disadvantages of having no clout and a dysfunctional aviation organization.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2012-07-07 08:33:23 and read 12433 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 106):
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 105):

Wonder what else PR would do with this 77W coming shortly other than to fly it to Australia, Hong Kong, Japan and Canada?

It really is sad. Letting six 77Ws fly around Asia and Australia next year would be a total miss of its initial purpose.

/Alex

Although true, the 77W will represent large fuel cost savings for PR even without it flying on ultra long haul flights. Airlines like CX fly 777s around regionally all the time!

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-07-09 03:45:28 and read 12159 times.

Air Niugini has gotten their hands on a 73G, which they among other changes will use to launch a new twice weekly service to CEB.

POM17.50-CEB20.40 73G x2x4xxx
CEB22.10-05.00POM 73G x2x4xxx


/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: viasa
Posted 2012-07-09 13:09:23 and read 11998 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 109):
Air Niugini has gotten their hands on a 73G,

It's a former Astraeus aircraft with the new registration P2-PXD. Source: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=PX

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: titus95
Posted 2012-07-09 14:04:46 and read 11982 times.

They are rumours saying PAL will be all Airbus fleet with A330 , A350 and A320 NEO to be ordered.

More precisions ?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-07-10 10:34:08 and read 11744 times.

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 109):
Although true, the 77W will represent large fuel cost savings for PR even without it flying on ultra long haul flights.

But what would be the difference in fuel costs and scheduled amortizations or lease payments if PR were to use the current spec 235t, 5,500nm A333 on such regional routes?

Quoting titus95 (Reply 112):
They are rumours saying PAL will be all Airbus fleet with A330 , A350 and A320 NEO to be ordered.

And their new president was on record that PR would be dealing more with Boeing for their fleet renewal.


Quoting titus95 (Reply 112):
More precisions?

Not sure that there'd be something before the show is over.....so our guesses are as good as anybody else's.  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: tonymctigue
Posted 2012-07-10 23:12:05 and read 11539 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 86):
PR definitely intends to fly to LHR as soon as it gets out of the EU blacklist, as according to Mar Roxas there are still unused frequencies. Although this begs the question: does PR still have its LHR slots?

There are LHR slots up for grabs at the moment. One of the conditions of the recent merger of BMI and BA is that they have to sell some of the former BMI slots to prevent BA becoming too dominant at LHR. EI are after some of the domestic slots (for reasons no one can understand) but they are international slots up fro grabs also. I presune if PR were to operate LHR it would be with one of their new B777s? Also, any more info regards the rumour that PR were to become a new customer for the B747-8i?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-19 01:25:11 and read 11157 times.

Quoting tonymctigue (Reply 113):
I presune if PR were to operate LHR it would be with one of their new B777s?

That is correct.

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In other news, could we see more flights to Canada sometime soon, or AC flying to the Philippines, or both?

http://business.inquirer.net/71749/c...-to-new-round-of-air-talks-with-ph

Quote:
Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird said Wednesday his country was open to having new air talks with the Philippines to discuss potential flights by Air Canada to the Philippines and additional entitlements for Philippine Airlines (PAL).

Given the huge Filipino population in Canada, demand for direct flights between the two countries is high, Baird said at the joint membership meeting of the Canadian Chamber of Commerce, Makati Business Club and the Management Association of the Philippines.

Canada’s ambassador to the Philippines Christopher Thornley, however, said PAL had not fully used its entitlements for Canada.

As for the prospects of direct flights by Air Canada, Thornley said that would depend on whether the Canadian airline would see enough demand.

But wait: I thought PAL had already used up all its entitlements for Canada?   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: ZK-NBT
Posted 2012-07-19 03:18:12 and read 11090 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
But wait: I thought PAL had already used up all its entitlements for Canada?
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
Canadian Foreign Minister John Baird said Wednesday his country was open to having new air talks with the Philippines to discuss potential flights by Air Canada to the Philippines

New air talks. So I guess additional frequencies.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
Given the huge Filipino population in Canada, demand for direct flights between the two countries is high
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
As for the prospects of direct flights by Air Canada, Thornley said that would depend on whether the Canadian airline would see enough demand.

Demand is high in 1 sentence, then see if there is enough demand in the next. I'm guessing there is plenty of demand more likely what are yeilds like? I wonder what yeilds are like for PR and what they might be like for AC?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-07-19 12:43:52 and read 10957 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 114):
But wait: I thought PAL had already used up all its entitlements for Canada?

   Agreed. I'm pretty sure YVR is maxed (at 7/week) but hasn't there been a lot of mention of Toronto when the possibilities of travel to JFK are discussed (if and when Cat I ever returns, blah, blah, blah...) I guess I need an update on the situation also. (And realistically, I've completely given up on seeing anything new to the US in my lifetime anyway!)

bb

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-07-19 13:11:59 and read 10942 times.

Cebu Pacific adds their fifth base in the Philippines, at ILO!

This means that Iloilo will see flights to two international destinations! These are ofcourse HKG and SIN.

Following are the changes:

*ILO-SIN NEW 3 weekly services
*ILO-HKG NEW 2 weekly services
*ILO-PPS NEW 3 weekly services
*ILO-GES NEW 4 weekly services
*ILO-MNL Increase from 6 to 7 daily

I think this is a trend that we will see more of in the future, Cebu Pacific and other LCCs starting flights to HKG/SIN from Bacolod, Cagayan de Oro and other major cities...


On a side note, I'm flying in to MNL via AUH on EY tomorrow. Although NAIA is close to the bottom, it certainly will be a pleasure seeing it all again...

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-07-19 20:07:37 and read 10831 times.

The Canada air-service agreement can be found at;
https://www.otc-cta.gc.ca/eng/philippines


Basically it allows PR to service up to 3 points in Canada, including various 5th freedom beyond rights.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CX Flyboy
Posted 2012-07-19 21:51:07 and read 10775 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 112):
But what would be the difference in fuel costs and scheduled amortizations or lease payments if PR were to use the current spec 235t, 5,500nm A333 on such regional routes?

Well it all depends on the loads. Of course if the load is one that can comfortably be carried by the 333s then they will do it cheaper than using a heavier 77W for the job...but if the loads are good, then a 77W will be much better for the flight than a 744.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-07-19 23:25:51 and read 10723 times.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 115):
New air talks. So I guess additional frequencies.

[.....]

Demand is high in 1 sentence, then see if there is enough demand in the next. I'm guessing there is plenty of demand more likely what are yeilds like?

Quite unusual for someone to initiate talks if there's nothing to be gained by it.....up, down or sideways. Which reminds me that PR still has not given any clear indication about their domestic narrowbody preference.....how's the C-Series coming along again? TF might have unwittingly given them a little inspiration  .

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 119):
but if the loads are good, then a 77W will be much better for the flight than a 744.

That highlights how PR is also losing a lot of money by not being able to deploy their 77Ws to the US.....but I guess that issue is moot.   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: flood
Posted 2012-07-20 00:24:51 and read 10695 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 121):
Which reminds me that PR still has not given any clear indication about their domestic narrowbody preference.

@SivaG (Flightglobal) tweeted on the 11th:
"Heard that an Asian airline was thinking of announcing order for @Airbus A321neo, A330s at #FARN12 but put it off indefinitely. Let's see..."

I took that to mean PAL. Interpret it as you wish  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-20 15:50:19 and read 10541 times.

It appears that Z2 is doing some major attrition: they're "heeding" the call of the DOTC to reduce flights from MNL by virtually cutting all turboprop flying. VRC, CRM and CYP were canceled on July 1, while MRQ, USU, MBT and TBH will be canceled by October.

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...ily-domestic-flights-out-of-manila

Personally, I am saddened by these events (especially for MRQ, which is losing all air service after Z2 cancels its flights), but I think that this is a very stupid move by Z2 management.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-07-20 23:51:30 and read 10435 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 123):
Personally, I am saddened by these events (especially for MRQ, which is losing all air service after Z2 cancels its flights), but I think that this is a very stupid move by Z2 management.

I fully agree. it´s sad that some airports will loose scheduled ops due to Z2´s movements.


Looking at it on a wider angle I´m pretty sure it´s a way to quietly get rid of the MA-60´s ...
I see this as one more step towards FAA CAT I.
As long as CAAP permits operation of aircraft that do not have a type certificate issued by a recognized western authority (FAA/EASA/etc.) there´s no regaining of CAT I.
The MA-60 only has a TC issued by the chinese authorities andit would not be able to get a western TC for various reasons.
So, this development was to be expected if CAAP is serious about regaining FAA CAT I.

Unfortunately I don´t see any other airline stepping in on these routes.
All potential carriers (besides 5J and 2P) that could fly the routes have problems to solve their internal problems first.
(Mid Sea Express and Sky Pasada come to mind ...) and the main Problem of congestion at MNL still remains ...

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-21 08:53:24 and read 10321 times.

Quoting MHG (Reply 124):
Looking at it on a wider angle I´m pretty sure it´s a way to quietly get rid of the MA-60´s ...

Perhaps, but as I have mentioned before, if countries like Bolivia, Peru and China (which are all in Cat I) can operate MA60s without a lot of noise coming from the FAA, I wonder why they have to make so much with the Philippines? It makes no sense.   

This means though that Z2 will have no turboprop operations at all: the remaining destinations which were served by turboprops have been upgraded to jets (for example, with KLO). I wonder what the replacement turboprop aircraft will be should the real reason why Z2 is pulling out of all these secondary markets is because they intend to permanently ground the MA60s?

[Edited 2012-07-21 08:55:31]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-07-22 03:26:17 and read 10149 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 124):
Perhaps, but as I have mentioned before, if countries like Bolivia, Peru and China (which are all in Cat I) can operate MA60s without a lot of noise coming from the FAA, I wonder why they have to make so much with the Philippines? It makes no sense.

Well, the problem with the MA-60 is obviously not a "stand-alone" one but has to be looked at in a general context.
A country that has it´s CAA principly in order but allows operation of MA-60´s will certainly not be downgraded to Cat II .
But CAAP has just too many "construction places" and the MA-60 issue just adds (in a negative way) to the other issues.

But I´m slightly optimistic now that CAAP is getting their act together.
Some activities (reported to me) are leading into the right direction.
Still, there´s a relatively long way to go for them.
The main problem remaining is the loss of trust in continous maintaining of standards after regaining Cat I by FAA and EASA.
It´s not enough to fulfil ICAO/FAA requirements once - but continously maintaining them is the point !

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-07-22 16:59:40 and read 9986 times.

Quoting flood (Reply 121):
I took that to mean PAL. Interpret it as you wish

I already did in #112...after a fashion   .

Quoting MHG (Reply 123):
As long as CAAP permits operation of aircraft that do not have a type certificate issued by a recognized western authority (FAA/EASA/etc.) there´s no regaining of CAT I.

[.....]

(Mid Sea Express and Sky Pasada come to mind ...)

This has dual FAA/EASA certification since it's fitted with western avionics and H80, GE-cored, Walter 601 engines.....

http://www.ge.com/images/content/chapters/moving_turboprop_engines/slides_2.jpg
http://www.ge.com/images/content/cha...ing_turboprop_engines/slides_2.jpg

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-czech-regional-turboprops-374069/

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...r-trend-monitoring-for-h80-369770/


.....one they might be familiar with....and perfect for MPH, BSO, MDQ, PPS, BAG, etc.....

.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...PEG/200px-SanFernando_Airport.JPEG

Quoting MHG (Reply 123):
the main Problem of congestion at MNL still remains ...

They already have part of their ops at CRK.....allowing the renovation of T4 was ill-advised, IMHO.

.
http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/l...ply_chain/images/dmia_from_air.jpg

Of course, every airline would want the most advantageous location for their investment. How's the plan to transfer GA and aviation schools to Sangley Point coming along?

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 124):

This means though that Z2 will have no turboprop operations at all:

They could always go back to their roots.....but that means they would have to invest anew.....

http://www.let.cz/

They feel the return does not justify the outlay. If they need something bigger, they would have to tear this off its pylons..... Big grin
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Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-22 17:11:52 and read 10099 times.

Want a real great Philippine flying experience? Look no further than CRK!

What darn monkey came up to allow 3 carriers to fly to HKG at 7:05, 7:20 and 7:20?? And SIN and KLO added to that? 1 counter for DG SIN and HKG each. Both staffed by somebody just picked off the street for looking good enough in a business sort of attire. I flew DG CRK-HKG, 7 pax in front of me, took me 25mins to wait. Manual boarding passes and seat stickers.

The adjacent 5J counter processed about 50 and was very organized with a security guard.

Next, immigration, the line extended 50 metres into the check-in area, because the holding area was way too small. 6 usable counters, 3 officers working, 2 joking and walking around behind them. Cashier counter was of course staffed...

Past security, no seats to be found, and some moronic new holding pen for domestic blocking half the area. Anybody could enter by opening the door. Upstairs looks ready, maybe MNL 3 repeat, zero waiting pax, 2 what looked like ready jetways for years.

And then BAM, 5J/PQ/DG all board thru gate 1 to HKG at 06:45. What a beautiful idea. 5J folks moved sensibly to gate 2, done. Air Asia brought in a guy to tell people personally, PA was inaudible everywhere. The 2 giggling DG girls had no idea, running around with people shouting WHERE IS THE GATE?? "We don't know yet"

What a bloody joke but fully expected.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-22 17:16:47 and read 10076 times.

Coming back HKG-CRK, no bus was available because DG/PQ/5J/2P arrivals... Lets keep them wait on the plane, it's raining... Until some German guy shouted "f*ck your umbrellas we can walk 50 metres".

Flying out of CRK is pure hell these days, it used to be great. And P600 terminal fee while 550 in MNL. Yeah right....  I can't stop laughing.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-22 17:19:18 and read 10081 times.

Not to mention the rip-off taxi rates to get to/from there. I timed it 6 minutes Tune Angeles to CRK, 350 pesos. The said amount got me 3 nights at the hotel. PQ has free shuttle now at certain times, and some guys I just talked to me said it was almost full on PQ DVO-CRK.

Unless it's a P1 fare, MNL for me please.

Sorry for venting.

[Edited 2012-07-22 17:21:03]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-07-23 00:21:44 and read 9948 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 129):
Not to mention the rip-off taxi rates to get to/from there.

Forget the cab pirates (thats what they are despite being "official"). I always walk the few minutes to the gate along C. M. Recto Highway and catch a frequent jeepney (usually only a couple of minutes's wait) for around P10 to the checkpoint (maingate). They seem to run really late into the night. Not sure till what time but I have caught rides at 9pm. Alternatively, for P50, there is an aircon jeepney service for all flights from the airport to the Dau bus station which can drop off passengers at the checkpoint along the way. Only problem is you must have some patience and time on your hand to wait till its full or till all passengers on your flight have cleared Immigration and Customs. For the trip back to the airport terminal, board the public jeepney at the terminal in Bayanihan Park near the checkpoint or the aircon jeepney at Dau station.
Note that the aircon jeepney departs and arrive right at the terminal building whilst the regular one entails about 5 minutes' walk which is fine if you are travelling light like yours truly.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-07-23 02:37:51 and read 9902 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 128):
Want a real great Philippine flying experience? Look no further than CRK!

CRK is horrible unless you depart when it is less crowded. I once arrived from HKG at the same time an Asiana flight arrived from ICN and it was chaos at immigration.

The problem is the expansion has done nothing to increase capacity at the crucial points like immigration. It's another example of how mediocre things are in Philippines. No visions, no clear political goals to address problems and no money.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: babaero
Posted 2012-07-23 04:07:54 and read 9871 times.

Clark - total cluster fuck

0705am 5J to HKG

0720am DG to HKG

0720am PQ to HKG

terminal designed for a few Let 410s now trying to be a big player

typical filipino design

now have one door for international and another for domestic, yet Air Asia domestic is in the international.

2 counters serving departure tax , and this AM only 2 corruption immigration counters, then finally one xray scanner for all paxs.

no covered steps to board pax or should i say steps with a cover up to the door.

corrupt taxi vans for arrivals

seating in terminal that faces away from monitor screens

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-07-23 04:23:40 and read 9872 times.

Don't get me started on this

Quoting babaero (Reply 132):

typical filipino design

  

Quoting babaero (Reply 132):
2 counters serving depart

It is also painful to see how immigration officers pull in filipinos (who are leaving the country) for interrogation. On of my friends girlfriend was travelling alone to Thailand and was denied by immigration based on suspicion of not having enough funds in spite of having a credit card and cash. They 'invent' issues in order to blackmail their fellow citizens.

I asked someone in charge where I could find clear requirements for travel, but noone could tell me. They said it's case by case.



Quoting babaero (Reply 132):
corrupt taxi vans for arrivals

Not least for pick-up in town. I cannot believe that the 10 min drive has to cost 400-500 pesos, when I can drive around Manila for 30 mins for around 150p. No other explanation than it's a rip-off! Makes you consider whether travel to Philippines is worth it. Which is a shame. One could hope that Philippines could learn a little bit from Thailand or Malaysia.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-07-23 06:01:03 and read 9836 times.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 131):
Quoting babaero (Reply 132):
Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 133):

Corruption permeats every strata of "service" in the airport. Every line of officials wants to bleed, squeeze or drip some benefit from the travellers; both locals and foreigners. From security to immigration to customs to even the check-in agents, they would come up with every trick and then some to ask for money or gifts.
Its not much of a problem for me as I am a familiar face to the airport people, having been using clark every few months for the last seven years. Only ocassionally do I bring along and pass out "souvenirs" - mainly cheap keychains or free hotel ballpoint pens to a random dozen or so of them. Oh yes, they do ask me for gifts each and every time I paased through but I mostly tell them "next time"....with a wide smile.

In my earlier times, I had even some policemen offering to sell me their shields - obviously imitation ones - for US$10/- each. At check-in, slightly overweight luggages is a licence to extort a few miserable pesos even if it is less than 1kg above the limit. I am fortunate that I am always able to get away with even up to 5 kgs due to the counter people being my "friends". If you are being greeted by any service personnel with "Merry Christmas", Happy New Year" Happy Valentine's Day", "Gongxi Facai", Selamat Hari Raya" and other salutations, be aware that they are actually asking for tips.

To avoid the long wait at immigration on arrival (a LCC A320/737 load of 150 to 180 pax would take up to an hour to clear), try to be near the exit doors so as to be among the first few passengers to get to the terminal building. For me, as I am always among the last to check in at my home airport with near zero chance of getting the front rows (unless paying for assigned ones beforehand which I never did), I chose to be at the last rows since, the rear door is always in use at Clark. This strategy might very well be negated if one do have checked baggage as waiting for bags to come in at the conveyor belt could take a long time too.

On leaving, to avoid long check-in queues, I usually arrive only just before the cut-off time when the line is very much shorter but anyone who do that have to be sure of what he is doing as being even a little late placed oneself dangerously missing his flight.
The security guys do demand to check even one's wallets. Don't put much cash in the easily accessible compartments or better still, either never let your eyes stray away even for a micro-second or don't pass the wallet out of your hand; just open it yourself and show what the guy wants to see. I have witnessed from a short distance some currency notes being parted from wallets by quick fingers.

And on the airport tax, they started increasing the amount just before construction of the terminal extensions where other airports only did so after the improvements or new terminals were in use.
There are more negatives but I shall leave them for another time.
In case anyone asks why I am still using it instead of Manila (which is only a little less annoying), its better the devil I know well than the devil I know less.

But all these being said, the Philippines is a wonderful place and the people mainly very hospitable. Its tourism sector have been punching very much below its weight for a long time. One can only hope they see the light sooner and start picking up the pieces.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-23 20:14:22 and read 9673 times.

There is a reason why I (and my family) avoid CRK like the plague. 

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Anyway, PAL has reaffirmed that they're starting service to YYZ and JFK when RP-C7775 was unveiled. However, there was an unexpected surprise: if and when (more if than when, though) PAL returns to Europe, their first destination will be CDG, and they're aiming to do this by February 2014.

http://business.inquirer.net/72997/p...rce=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines — Flag carrier Philippine Airlines plans to introduce soon non-stop flights to cosmopolitan cities Toronto, Paris and New York City.

This was announced by PAL president Ramon S. Ang Monday night as the flag carrier – now under the management control of San Miguel Corp. which is also led by Ang – toasted the arrival of its third Boeing 777-300ER, deemed as the aircraft of choice for long-haul flights.

“In the months ahead, three more Boeing 777 aircraft will be delivered to PAL. For us, it means a modern fleet that we can be proud of. And for our loyal passengers, this means more new exciting destinations. In the near future, PAL will fly non-stop to Toronto, Paris and New York City,” Ang said.

During the cocktail party, Ang added that the Toronto could be added in three months while flights to Paris could be started by February 2014.

This will be very interesting indeed. I wonder if this means a better chance for PAL joining SkyTeam? 

Also, the much-talked about terminal fee will finally be integrated in the cost of the ticket price on August 1 for domestic flights. However, terminal fee counters will be up for up to a year, in order to allow people to pay for those whose tickets were issued before August 1.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/3...airline-ticket-prices-aug-1---miaa

Quote:
MANILA, Philippines -- The P200 domestic airport terminal fee will be integrated into the price of airline tickets on August 1.

Manila International Airport Authority general manager Jose Angel Honrado said the fee will be integrated into the price of all tickets, whether purchased through the Internet, ticket offices or travel agents.

It appears though that this will only be the case for flights departing from MNL. I wonder when the concept of paying a terminal fee will be eliminated from all Philippine airports altogether.

Moving on, PAL has cut capacity on MNL-BKK-DEL by downgrading the aircraft from an A330 to an A320, per airlineroute.net.

Finally, PAL announced a major overhaul of operations by October, saving $300 million in the process.

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...ts-to-cut-costs-mulls-fund-raising

Quote:
MANILA - (UPDATED 12:46 a.m.) Philippine Airlines will overhaul its operations by October in a bid to reduce operating expenses.

"The rearrangement of routes, the new routes and the reassigning of aircrafts for particular flights will be effective by October," Ramon Ang, PAL president and chief operating officer told reporters on Monday night.

Ang said 90 percent of the airline's flights would be realigned to improve efficiency and profitability.

"Right now, ang mga eroplano na masyadong malaki pupumunta sa maliit na destinations yung malalayo gumgagamit tayo ng malilit na desinations," Ang said, adding that the airline has acquired a "tool" that would help assign the right aircraft to a particular destination.

He said the company expects $300 million savings a year from the realignment of routes and aircraft.

Let the great guessing game of how this realignment will take place begin. 

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-07-23 20:52:01 and read 9661 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 135):
PAL has reaffirmed that they're starting service to YYZ and JFK when RP-C7775 was unveiled.

I'm still amused as this guy (Ang) continues to talk about new service to the U.S. as a matter of fact without any apparent concern for the FAA Safety Audit/Cat I issue. Either he's one of the most confident people ever or he's not reading the memos! (I do realize that no date is mentioned in the article about when NYC service might commence but even the mention of that destination must indicate a real belief that passing the U.S. Safety Audit is not a big deal..) ???

bb

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-07-23 23:29:52 and read 9589 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 135):
Also, the much-talked about terminal fee will finally be integrated in the cost of the ticket price on August 1 for domestic flights.

That's a sign of progression that I welcome. Wonder if this will be the case for other airlines as well. Hopefully in the longer term this will also be the case for international flights, so you never have to queue up again. And hopefully this will be introduced at all Philippine airports.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-24 09:05:44 and read 9457 times.

I know the jeepney options but wasn't in the mood at 5am and past midnight...

My friend was forced to check-in his 0,9kg overweight bag at CRK on DG, for P1000.

Tax in the ticket price sounds good but i'm afraid it will be a good excuse to raise it to P300 and at every bamboo hut equivalent like KLO or TAG...

The immigration issue is very annoying, on average 20 Filipinos denied per day. Who else does that to own citizens? Perhaps at FNJ... My girlfriend has always been interrogated for return tickets, who I am, why do we travel... Ridiculous and pathetic. But let's not get started how Filipinos are treated at SIN Budget Terminal...

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-07-24 23:46:10 and read 9305 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 138):
My friend was forced to check-in his 0,9kg overweight bag at CRK on DG, for P1000.

Thats what I was mentioning about:

Quoting neutrino (Reply 134):
At check-in, slightly overweight luggages is a licence to extort a few miserable pesos even if it is less than 1kg above the limit.

What they are after is some tips. I guess a couple of hundred pesos (my view is about 1/3 of the amount quoted) will do the trick. Some of the counter staff are quite direct about it (especially if there aren't other pax nearby), some might drop hints whilst others will let the pax take the initiative.
Frequent Clark users can, if you wish, take a leaf off my book and bring along low cost but perceivably valuable souvenirs to make "friends" with the various bunches of them. It works. I never have to pay for my occasional overweights from a few hundred grams to a few kilos. As mentioned in an earlier post, impressive-looking hotel pens come at no cost to me and I bought the nice keychains at fleamarts for about US$5.00 for a dozen.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-07-25 00:13:30 and read 9286 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 138):
But let's not get started how Filipinos are treated at SIN Budget Terminal

I like some more info on that. I have always experienced good service by immigration and security, but have on the other hand experienced Filipinos themselves working at the check-in counters being quite churlish.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-25 03:35:11 and read 9241 times.

Saw this on SkyscraperCity: a new PAL video on service improvements, including:

*A new slogan: "Towards New Altitudes"
*The 77Ws
*New destinations
*Ability to purchase plane tickets at Petron gas stations
*In-flight service improvements, including iPads in Y: the first Asian carrier to do so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWubwjAhlbs

  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-25 07:34:54 and read 9172 times.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 140):
I like some more info on that. I have always experienced good service by immigration and security, but have on the other hand experienced Filipinos themselves working at the check-in counters being quite churlish.

I don't normally use SIN as a gateway to the country, so this is a one-off experience. 5J CEB-SIN, and every female travelling alone were at least asked for a pile of documents, made to count their money at the counter, or were escorted to some back room. Never seen such behaviour at the regular terminals that I have used a few more times when using SQ.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-07-25 09:34:04 and read 9121 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 142):

I have witnessed that a number of times but still not the majority of my 3 to 4 yearly CRK-SIN Tiger/CebuPacific flights.

Its the same as the treatment of Thai ladies on the Hatyai-SIN coaches of many years ago at the Woodlands Checkpoint; show money or no entry. But then the smart businessmen of the transport companies started to counter that with their "temporary loan service" to ensure that everone gets through. They gave their Thai ladies customers a stack of cash (S$500 to S$1,000) just before SIN immigration to show to the authorities and collect them back after clearing. Everyone is happy except the SIN immigration but there's nothing they can do about it except just continuing with their ineffectual practice.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: lufthansa747
Posted 2012-07-25 10:22:17 and read 9108 times.

Sounds smart by the bus company... Off topic, but "interesting" place where Transtar SIN-KUL buses leave. Would be understandable if the bus went to BKK or even HDY but whatever.

More reports in Pampanga papers that they are denying more and more Filipinas leaving their own country at CRK, supposedly requiring some confirmation of a course required to move out of the country (is that a joke??), but not for tourism.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: MHG
Posted 2012-07-25 12:59:02 and read 9041 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 126):
This has dual FAA/EASA certification since it's fitted with western avionics and H80, GE-cored, Walter 601 engines.....

True, but ...
This applies to factory new aircraft.
But my comment was primarily aimed at MA-60 ops.
IIRC there are actually only two LET-410 airworthy in the Philippines (with EASA AD´s executed): one at Sky Pasada - the second Sky Pasada LET crashed at Itbayat not long ago unfortunately - and one at Seair.
Regarding the latter one I´m not sure if it´s active at the moment, though.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: YVRSpeedBird
Posted 2012-07-25 20:51:48 and read 8958 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 138):
The immigration issue is very annoying, on average 20 Filipinos denied per day. Who else does that to own citizens?

This is because there are thousands of Filipinos victimized by human trafficking syndicates. They are promised well-paying jobs, only to end up taken hostage for free labour or worse. There was an arrest in Manila recently of Malaysian nationals who got caught trying to leave NAIA with their Filipina victims. Anyone who exits the country must have a valid reason, with documents to prove. Also, some workers try to leave for jobs in war-torn countries, and the government is trying to put a stop on this because they end up evacuating them anyway.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-07-25 22:31:47 and read 8918 times.

Not to defend the policy.....but the stringent immigration checks are meant to protect those who would otherwise easily fall prey to traffickers and illegal recruiters. Still, the harsh treatment at SIN proves that the system is not without its flaws.....and a testament to the "resourcefulness" of the evildoers.


Quoting Akiestar (Reply 123):
(especially for MRQ, which is losing all air service after Z2 cancels its flights), but I think that this is a very stupid move by Z2 management.

The alternative is buying or leasing new planes (or used ones, at least).....understandably, the airline is very reluctant to do this. Which brings up an interesting point --- IIRC, their franchise to operate was conditional on them also providing air services to second and third tier destinations. If the agency which previously registered the aircraft they're using on those routes now bans the said planes, could the airline be rightly cited for violating the terms of its AOCwhen it ends such service?


Quoting MHG (Reply 146):

True, but ...
This applies to factory new aircraft.
But my comment was primarily aimed at MA-60 ops.

I was coming from our earlier exchanges in #76 to #81. Inasmuch as both cases resulted from the aircraft's lack of FAA/EASA type certificates, the options seem limited to getting new planes (around $6.15M for the Let @ the low end - per the FG article).....to second hand ATR-42s, Dash-8s, Do328s, Saab 340s and 2000s, (or older - which are due for expensive heavy checks.) As noted, airlines are loathe to spend on these specially if intended for the "missionary routes"...and would practically have to be "coerced into agreeing".         

[Edited 2012-07-25 23:40:05]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-26 00:58:37 and read 8873 times.

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 144):
More reports in Pampanga papers that they are denying more and more Filipinas leaving their own country at CRK, supposedly requiring some confirmation of a course required to move out of the country (is that a joke??), but not for tourism.

Filipinos who intend to emigrate or pursue employment abroad have to undertake one of three seminars offered by the Commission on Filipinos Overseas (CFO):

*Pre-Departure Orientation Seminar (PDOS) for Filipinos emigrating abroad or holders of a J-1 (exchange visitor to the United States) visa, or peer counseling if the emigrant is 13-19 years old
*Country Familiarization Seminar (CFS) for au pairs
*Guidance and Counseling Seminar (GCS) for future fiancees, spouses and partners of foreign nationals

The confirmation is either a certificate which you present to the immigration officer, or for the PDOS a visa-size sticker is affixed onto your passport. (When I moved to the U.S. 12 years ago, my mom attended a PDOS, and a confirmation sticker was affixed onto my passport, and my mom's and sister's passports.)

I believe there's also a seminar for OFWs, but if there is one, this would be conducted by the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration (OWWA), and not the CFO.

[Edited 2012-07-26 01:05:55]

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-27 16:24:19 and read 8600 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 148):
I believe there's also a seminar for OFWs, but if there is one, this would be conducted by the Overseas Workers Welfare Administration (OWWA), and not the CFO.

Okay, according to the OWWA website, they have a list of accredited PDOS providers. I think this is also mandatory for departing OFWs, but I can't be too sure.

----

Anyway, Z2 has announced that it will be launching flights to MEL and AKL once it receives its A330s next year. It's also preparing for its IPO!  

http://www.interaksyon.com/business/...alia-and-nz-as-it-gears-up-for-ipo

Quote:
SHANGHAI - The Philippines' fourth largest carrier Zest Air says that the acquisition of a new fleet of wide-bodied Airbus A330-300s early next year will allow it to launch Melbourne- and Auckland-bound flights from the Philippines, in time for a targetted IPO.

Ambassador Donald G. Dee, Zest Air President and CEO told reporters on Thursday at the Hua Ting Hotel & Towers in Shanghai that the airline, working with partner carriers, hopes to start flights to Australia and New Zealand by July next year.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-07-28 00:17:34 and read 8508 times.

Hm. Looks like PAL is hiring! They're looking for new flight attendants, captains and first officers for the A320, and second officers for the A330, A340, 747 and 777.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: EBGflyer
Posted 2012-07-28 02:04:28 and read 8476 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 150):
Hm. Looks like PAL is hiring! They're looking for new flight attendants, captains and first officers for the A320, and second officers for the A330, A340, 747 and 777.

Here are the requirements for Cabin Crew:
Here's your checklist for the PAL Cabin Crew Recruitment Tour 2012 on August 11, 2012 at Diamond Hotel Philippines:

☑ Filipino citizen
☑ Not more than 27 years old
☑ College graduate
☑ Can speak English and Filipino
☑ Female applicants must be single, at least 5'3"
☑ Male applicants are preferably single, at least 5'6"
☑ Weight must be proportionate to height
☑ With good visual impact and pleasing personality
☑ With clear complexion and a good set of teeth
☑ With perfect vision (20/20) or with contact lenses but not beyond (20/30)

------------------

Can't believe they would allow such a job ad. Totally discriminating.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Tomassjc
Posted 2012-07-28 09:22:59 and read 8475 times.

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 151):
Can't believe they would allow such a job ad. Totally discriminating.


Yes, this would never fly in many Western countries. Although, I'm sure this is the norm with many Asian carriers. But it is, shall we say, the "beauty" (sarcasm) of the Philippines, shining through.

I have 2 friends, former Mexicana captains, who are now A320 pilots at 5J. Another on his way to interview in MNL for PR. Good Luck!

Tom SJC

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-07-31 10:16:25 and read 8101 times.

Cebu Pacific launches following six new inter-island routes on October 5 and 6:

Davao-Butuan: 4 weekly
Davao-Dipolog: 4 weekly
Tacloban-Iloilo: 3 weekly
Tacloban-Legazpi: 3 weekly
Cebu-Busuanga: 3 weekly
Zamboanga-Cagayan De Oro: 3 weekly

All flights will be operated by ATR aircraft, except the last one on the list which will be flown by an A319.


Zest Air will add flights from their MNL base starting next winter:

CEB 1 new daily
ILO 1 new daily
DVO 5 new weekly
TAC 5 new weekly
PPS 3 new weekly

Quoting lufthansa747 (Reply 103):

I'm afraid the EK loads are way higher than 93%.

I'm sure you're correct, just as EY loads should be higher than the reported 87%. I just came over pax numbers from three random EY flights to/from MNL this month (July). These were 395/400/403, which equals to 96/97/98 % LF. And one needs to remember July is not even high season!
I believe both EK, EY and QR could all easily fill up a third daily each, but IIRC, no rights to do so.

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-08-01 19:59:19 and read 7851 times.

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 153):
Cebu Pacific launches following six new inter-island routes on October 5 and 6:

Davao-Butuan: 4 weekly
Davao-Dipolog: 4 weekly
Tacloban-Iloilo: 3 weekly
Tacloban-Legazpi: 3 weekly
Cebu-Busuanga: 3 weekly
Zamboanga-Cagayan De Oro: 3 weekly

All flights will be operated by ATR aircraft, except the last one on the list which will be flown by an A319.

Hm. I wonder how well TAC-LGP will do. 

For ZAM-CGY, I wonder how well 5J will do given that 2P didn't do so well here. Then again, 2P used props, so that might be in favor of 5J now that they're using jets.

Also, I wonder if 2P and 5J intend to pick up the missionary routes being abandoned by Z2. I heard rumors some time ago that either airline intends to serve MRQ. (Plus 2P was urged to serve VGN.)

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-08-07 09:46:48 and read 7386 times.

Quoting flyhigh@tom (Reply 104):
Shame 5J is not given a chance to operate to DXB or SHJ.

Further to my Replies #105 and #107, it has now come to light that the CAB is set to conduct new air talks with the UAE and KSA.....

.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/

Quote:
"The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) is set to conduct air talks with United Arab Emirates on September 5 and 6 and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on September 24 and 25 to get additional seats for the middle east as Cebu Pacific and Zest Air failed to grab entitlements from legacy carrier Philippine Airlines.

CAB Executive Director Carmelo A. Arcilla said the UAE is also interested for the talks as they want to bring in the first commercial A380 operations into the country as early as next year.

The current Air Services Agreement (ASA) with the UAE limits the seat allocation equivalent only to daily Boeing 777-300 services. Both Etihad and Emirates airlines intend to add third daily flights to Manila."



Quoting CityAirline (Reply 153):
except the last one on the list which will be flown by an A319

For how long would that be...since it was widely reported that 5J's A319s were going to Allegiant starting March next year?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-08-07 10:23:34 and read 7355 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 155):
For how long would that be...since it was widely reported that 5J's A319s were going to Allegiant starting March next year?

What's more important on my mind is how long this route will last. 2P did this route previously and ended it less than a year after starting it.

If 5J does continue flying it, they could upgauge to an A320, or downgrade to an ATR. There's not much choice anyway.  

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-08-07 11:19:41 and read 7324 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 156):
If 5J does continue flying it, they could upgauge to an A320, or downgrade to an ATR.

5J's ATRs make better sense indeed for such a short sector...so long as the business is there.  


Going back to the Middle East, I wonder what good new talks for ASA would do for 5J, Z2 and the Philippines in general, if those countries should invoke the Cat II rating to block their entry, or gain major concessions during the negotiations?   

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-08-08 02:56:16 and read 7116 times.

*Starting this friday, Gulf Air will increase BAH-MNL from 9 weekly to 11, all flights operated by an A330-200.

*Starting this winter KLM will once again deploy the 77W to MNL three times a week. The remaining four will still be flown by a 772.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 155):
The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) is set to conduct air talks with United Arab Emirates on September 5 and 6 and Kingdom of Saudi Arabia on September 24 and 25 to get additional seats for the middle east as Cebu Pacific and Zest Air failed to grab entitlements from legacy carrier Philippine Airlines.

That's great news, let us now hope that we can see some 5J A330s in the Middle East by late next year, that's what they were odered for!

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 155):
CAB Executive Director Carmelo A. Arcilla said the UAE is also interested for the talks as they want to bring in the first commercial A380 operations into the country as early as next year.

Also great news if actually conducted, MNL could easily support a 2-class configuration of the EK A380 if they were to receive a few.


Quoting Devilfish (Reply 155):
The current Air Services Agreement (ASA) with the UAE limits the seat allocation equivalent only to daily Boeing 777-300 services. Both Etihad and Emirates airlines intend to add third daily flights to Manila.

Just like I mentioned:

Quoting CityAirline (Reply 153):
I believe both EK, EY and QR could all easily fill up a third daily each

/Alex

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-08-10 00:14:42 and read 6885 times.

Any Phil-based Anetter know if NAIA's operations were affected by the floods of the last few days?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Akiestar
Posted 2012-08-10 02:28:37 and read 6858 times.

Quoting neutrino (Reply 160):
Any Phil-based Anetter know if NAIA's operations were affected by the floods of the last few days?

There were delays and a few cancelations, but the airport was not shut down. The area around the airport in fact was not flooded, if my memory served me right, although the airlines have offered fee-free rebookings for passengers who couldn't make it to the airport due to floods in their area.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: neutrino
Posted 2012-08-10 08:47:12 and read 6762 times.

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 161):

Thanks, Akiestar.
The reason I posted the query was because I have been, and will be, asked the question by many of the people whom *I have been encouraging to visit the Philippines over the years. Each time an incident occured, whether natural or man-caused, I would be deluged with demands for answersand explanations.
There are and will be so many folks are are un-informed, ill-informed or mis-informed by sensational reporting, rumours and hearsay. Sigh! I always tried to put things in perspective whenever I could.

*I am a veteran traveller to the P.I. for more than 5 dozen times over the past 33 years. I love the country and have persuaded a lot of acquaintances to be new visitors.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: QF108
Posted 2012-08-11 20:59:50 and read 6526 times.

Very informative thread guys and am hoping you can answer this for me please, are the
gates in T3 common user or do airlines have assigned gates if it's the latter what gate numbers do AirPhil and Cebu use please and are any just assigned for their Dash 8s and Atrs that each use? Finally what are the plans for AirPhils old 732's are they still stored by their maintenance hangar or are they being scrapped? Thanks heaps Mark

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: CityAirline
Posted 2012-08-22 06:39:44 and read 6090 times.

I just read this highly interesting article about the Philippine domestic market, with alot of focus on the NAIA congestion.
There was one thing that caught my attention. They repeatedly mention an "alignment of the secondary runway", which will increase the movements by 15-20 to a total of 60 per hour. I have heard of the construction of new exitways from the runway to speed upp landings, but an alignment of runway 13/31?

http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...-leading-position-is-assured-80663

Someone who knows more?

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-08-22 11:12:25 and read 5995 times.

That site did have a very comprehensive coverage of the Philippines' commercial aviation outlook, when I checked it this morning. But it only displays a server error message now when you try to access the link.

Nonetheless, this piece must've been partly based on it, from what I can glean.....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_08_22_2012_p05-02-488220.xml

Quote:
"Kingshott says there are two reasons why Cebu Pacific is reconsidering its fleet plan: the airline’s Airbus A319s are leaving the fleet earlier than expected; and Cebu Pacific anticipates PAL will place a large order for aircraft for delivery in 2013-14.

Philippine conglomerate San Miguel Corp. recently assumed control of PAL, and Ramon Ang–who is the president of PAL and San Miguel–earlier this month revealed that he is in talks with Airbus and Boeing and plans to soon place an order for new aircraft."



Good to read about something nice amid the gloom in the local aviation scene.

Topic: RE: Philippine Aviation Thread 2012
Username: Confuscius
Posted 2012-08-22 21:26:17 and read 5875 times.

There's a planned startup airline with point to point service.

Philippine Startup Bicol Eyes Scheduled Services With Fokker 50s

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_08_16_2012_p04-01-486308.xml

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 157):
5J's ATRs make better sense indeed for such a short sector...so long as the business is there.

I'll be flying Cebu Pacific from Naga City to Manila on Sep. 16.

Also, how often does PAL changes its schedule in advance? It's the second straight year that a schedule change will inconvenience me. Last year they dropped a morning flight to Singapore. This year, I will miss my connection flight in Manila because of a later departure time in Vancouver.


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