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Topic: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: bakersdozen
Posted 2012-08-27 16:28:45 and read 11035 times.

Did a search for SXM but nothing came up.

See the below link for a cool recent video of a go-around at SXM of an AF 340. Looks like a hard crosswind landing that they decided to abort.

You'll have to ignore the exaggeration and hyperbol in the comments/title (as in most Youtube videos) though. At the time it was a tropical storm and not a hurricane.... and I'm not sure how it is "extremely" late as I suppose any abort prior to touchdown is on time  

A shame there is no HD version of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJaR4azw6NM

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: Roseflyer
Posted 2012-08-27 16:42:02 and read 10987 times.

That is very late to initiate a go around.

With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: bakersdozen
Posted 2012-08-27 20:25:01 and read 10565 times.

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: N766UA
Posted 2012-08-27 20:31:55 and read 10528 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
With no ILS and only 7,500 ft of runway, that's a tough approach in bad weather for any widebody. I'm not surprised to see a go around.

While likely a visual approach considering the good visibility, 7500 feet is certainly challenging in those kind of winds. He had a pretty good crab angle going there for a while, and it looks like they got a decent sink as they crossed over land. Would be fun to watch, though, that's for sure! Then again, there isn't much of a beach there to enjoy...

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: alphaomega
Posted 2012-08-28 03:57:03 and read 10098 times.

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

HA!

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: bueb0g
Posted 2012-08-28 10:55:30 and read 9214 times.

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

It's interesting to see how slow it climbs  

Obviously this is in jest, but the climb performance there isn't actually too bad... And of course, it climbs very nicely with an engine out, which is the important part, and especially useful for SXM!

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-08-28 11:32:18 and read 8571 times.

Did the divert to somewhere else?

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: BA747400
Posted 2012-08-28 12:23:25 and read 7789 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):

Doesn't appear so; there's a link in the video description to the second (and sucessful) landing, about 15 minutes later.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: thrufru
Posted 2012-08-28 12:59:59 and read 7219 times.

Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: UALWN
Posted 2012-08-28 14:15:53 and read 6207 times.

I've been in a couple of go arounds. One of them, due to strong cross-winds at BCN when coming in from FRA on a LH A320, was initiated once we were already over the runway, not more than a couple of seconds before the expected touch down. I didn't find it abnormal.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: CambridgeFlyer1
Posted 2012-08-28 14:19:05 and read 6148 times.

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):

Haha! Back with the a343 power jokes  

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: flylku
Posted 2012-08-28 15:18:12 and read 5384 times.

Is it just me or does it appear that he is carrying a tad bit more airspeed in the second video?

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: xdlx
Posted 2012-08-28 16:10:31 and read 4805 times.

Quoting BA747400 (Reply 7):

just enough time for a change of underwear!

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: OA260
Posted 2012-08-28 16:16:14 and read 4720 times.

Quoting alphaomega (Reply 4):

Interesting to see the waves coming up against the rocks - I'm so used to having the lounge chairs from the bar in the sand, even at high tide (yes I know it was due to a tropical storm, just interesting to see Maho beach covered lol).

Sure is  

Must have been some experience for those watching .

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: moumou8891
Posted 2012-09-01 14:39:51 and read 3655 times.

Here is the HD version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWDOkmiJdHI&feature=g-upl

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: moose135
Posted 2012-09-01 17:29:53 and read 3463 times.

Quoting bakersdozen (Reply 2):
It's interesting to see how slow it climbs

They don't climb - they get into ground effect, and rely on the curvature of the Earth to do the rest. 

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: LV
Posted 2012-09-01 18:09:38 and read 3417 times.

Quoting thrufru (Reply 8):
Don't forget, that even after the pilot initiates a go-around, it's not unusual for the aircraft to lose a significant amount of altitude. This looked like a normal approach to land and a standard decision to go-around. Nothing really out of the ordinary

Here is a video of an NK A319 that did a go around at LAS a few weeks ago. You can see it still lose some altitude even after the engines spool up.

http://youtu.be/VpgmzyhmHxA

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-09-01 18:23:17 and read 3398 times.

Well, isnĀ“t it SOP on go-arounds to not retract the gear until you have confirmed a Positive Rate of Climb? I assume this video illustrates why.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-09-01 19:16:35 and read 3332 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):

Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

EK413

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: FlySSC
Posted 2012-09-02 02:51:59 and read 3082 times.

Quoting Roseflyer (Reply 1):
That is very late to initiate a go around.
Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too...

 

There is no "late Go Around" ... A late Go Around is the one that is not performed and the plane crashes ...
A Go Around can be performed even after the wheels touch the Rwy (happened to me at JFK last September).

By Definition, a Go Around is always "late" !!!!

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-09-02 04:49:05 and read 2966 times.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 19):

What is the cutoff for a go-around if that be the case...

EK413

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: Maverick623
Posted 2012-09-02 05:08:11 and read 2936 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 18):
Very late indeed and could've been a costly decision too... Remember the incident in Canada during a storm and aircraft ended up crash landing jumping the runway and into an embankment...

That airplane never attempted a go-around.

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-09-02 05:38:12 and read 2873 times.

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 21):

& what is the cutoff to execute a go-around...?

EK413

Topic: RE: Recent AF Go-around At SXM Due To Trop Storm Isaac
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-09-02 05:50:35 and read 2834 times.

Quoting bakersdozen (Thread starter):

Looks like they were landing with a tailwind.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 20):

Selecting reverse thrust.


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