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Topic: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: Navion
Posted 2012-08-29 19:23:05 and read 4089 times.

I was reading the old "KLM keeps Miami" thread and was wondering if KLM will be reinstating the AMS-MIA route for the Winter? I haven't yet been able to find any hint of the flight being restarted.

Here's the old thread from last December:

KLM Keeps Miami (by mah4546 Dec 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5343898&searchid=5345232&s=MIAMI+KLM#ID5345232

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: FSDan
Posted 2012-08-30 05:26:42 and read 3832 times.

There are no plans to resume it this winter.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: yellowtail
Posted 2012-08-30 06:23:15 and read 3750 times.

I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: JRadier
Posted 2012-08-30 06:26:24 and read 3741 times.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 2):
I often wondered how KLM could not MIA work even on a 332 when it does well to some leisure destinations (long haul) that are far far smaller.....like CUR or BON. Yes, I know less competition, but still the metro area for MIA is huge.

CUR and BON are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands and there are very strong cultural ties between the Netherlands and the islands. Therefore the amount of traffic is significantly larger than to for example MIA, which is primarily leisure only.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-08-30 06:31:38 and read 3727 times.

I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: 777klm
Posted 2012-08-30 06:41:36 and read 3696 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 4):
I think we can put a fork in it. How many carriers have tried this how many times? This route does not work.

Works well for ArkeFly

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: airbuster
Posted 2012-08-30 07:09:24 and read 3620 times.

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):

Only twice a weak in combination with Orlando. That wouldn't work in KLM's business model.

And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-08-30 07:39:27 and read 3553 times.

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Not after this Summer apparently; I don't see it loaded anywhere

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: 76er
Posted 2012-08-30 08:17:49 and read 3495 times.

Bookable on ArkeFly.nl, it's still there.

The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-08-30 08:21:56 and read 3485 times.

Quoting 76er (Reply 8):
The main reason IMHO that KL doesn't fly to MIA is rather simple: they can use their aircraft more profitably on other routes (read: Africa and China).





Or parking it and turning it into a hostel 

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: Navion
Posted 2012-08-31 06:48:07 and read 3065 times.

I'm not familiar with ArkeFly's product. Is it a decent flight to take or would it be a sardine can?

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: 76er
Posted 2012-09-01 04:37:47 and read 2775 times.

Well, having ridden a NW333 last month, there's not much of a difference. Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s.   

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-09-01 10:49:06 and read 2589 times.

MIA-AMS might be a route for AA to start if they want to try AMS. Problem is, as others have previously pointed out about AA in AMS, is the lack of connections at AMS.

Quoting 76er (Reply 11):
Unless you get one of ArkeFly's 2-4-2 767s

Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: OOer
Posted 2012-09-01 12:36:00 and read 2510 times.

Why use a plane on AMS-MIA when you can just route everything through Atlanta on either their own metal or DL?

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: 76er
Posted 2012-09-01 13:10:13 and read 2478 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: OB1504
Posted 2012-09-01 15:20:56 and read 2379 times.

Quoting 777klm (Reply 5):
Works well for ArkeFly

Apparently, the route can only support one carrier. When KL first discontinued AMS-MIA several years ago, it was due to competition from MP, who themselves discontinued the route in September 2009.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-09-01 16:10:35 and read 2340 times.

Quoting 76er (Reply 14):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 12):
Oh geez, don't tell me airlines are starting to do this too like the awful 3-4-3 777s

There were 2-4-2 767s loooooong before the 777 even existed.

But not on full-service scheduled carriers. The few 2-4-2 767s have only been operated by a handful of charter or leisure carriers, virtually all in Europe if not mistaken. 2-4-2 on a 767 (or 3-3-3 on an A330/340, also only used by a few charter/leisure carriers) is even worse than 3-4-3 on a 777 which is bad enough.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: fpetrutiu
Posted 2012-09-02 14:28:37 and read 2061 times.

Quoting airbuster (Reply 6):
And it's not as if KLM doesn't offer the route, it's just via CDG on AF. Seeing that 80% of pax for AFKL are connecting it doesn't matter if they connect through AMS or CDG. It's a one stop deal anyway for most of them.

AF is leaving MCO... KL could have a spot. At 80% load factor and especially a lot of connecting traffic might be worth it.

Topic: RE: Will KLM Restart MIA For The Winter?
Username: 76er
Posted 2012-09-02 22:41:12 and read 1921 times.

Even with 100% LF it still won't be profitable due to low yields.


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