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Topic: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-09-09 10:48:48 and read 19570 times.

AA tweeted a photo the other day of their first 777-300ER in production at Boeing. The fuselage is well underway... it just makes me wonder what the outside of it will look like. It is my opinion that if AA decides on a new livery, we'll see it on this bird right out of the factory. Makes me impatient, lol! Delivery is expected about mid-November.

AA's first 777-300ER in production. September 2012


Source: Twitter/AA
https://twitter.com/AmericanAir/status/244190857174065154/photo/1



[Edited 2012-09-09 10:58:47]

[Edited 2012-09-09 11:01:46]

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-09-09 11:02:15 and read 19442 times.

AA's first 777-300ER in production. September 2012

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-09 11:03:29 and read 19425 times.

is this the first US airline to have the 77W?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-09-09 11:05:12 and read 19402 times.

Looks good; do we know what LN it will be yet?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: motorhussy
Posted 2012-09-09 11:22:42 and read 19160 times.

This will make it easier...

American Airlines 77W

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: Super80DFW
Posted 2012-09-09 11:37:17 and read 18930 times.

As an employee of the airline, I've been wondering when we'd finally see a pic of the plane. I was beginning to think it wasn't gonna come.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: Heavierthanair
Posted 2012-09-09 11:45:18 and read 18746 times.

G'day

How come there are 4 replies per the overview and I cannot see any except for the original post?  

Cheers

Peter

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-09-09 12:00:52 and read 18536 times.

I was wondering what the status was of the first AA 77W. Thanks for posting it!

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-09-09 12:20:39 and read 18338 times.

Saw the pic on their facebook page. Glad their first 77W is taking shape.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: American 767
Posted 2012-09-09 16:57:45 and read 16602 times.

Will it be designated as 777-323ER? Thanks for posting the picture.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: CapEd388
Posted 2012-09-09 17:02:45 and read 16471 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):

You are correct. AA will be the first US carrier to operate the 77W.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-09-09 17:36:14 and read 15665 times.

Quoting American 767 (Reply 9):

Will it be designated as 777-323ER? Thanks for posting the picture.

Depends if the aircraft was purchased by AA or a leasing company purchase...

EK413

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-09-09 17:43:17 and read 15507 times.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Depends if the aircraft was purchased by AA or a leasing company purchase...

Purchased by AA and could be sold to a leasing firm. AA didn't take planes from a leasing firms own order book.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-09-09 17:48:35 and read 15349 times.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 12):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 11):
Depends if the aircraft was purchased by AA or a leasing company purchase...

Purchased by AA and could be sold to a leasing firm. AA didn't take planes from a leasing firms own order book.

Thanks for answering the question then the customer code will be allocated to the B777-323ER...

EK413

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Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: milestones787
Posted 2012-09-09 19:06:17 and read 13550 times.

What facility is this?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: Robt760
Posted 2012-09-10 00:55:56 and read 8320 times.

Quoting kaitak,reply=3Looks good; do we know what LN it will be yet?
:

Likely either 31167 or 31543

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-09-10 05:18:22 and read 7222 times.

That's the C/N - as in construction number , I think he meant the L/N, as in line number.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: vgnatl747
Posted 2012-09-10 06:18:37 and read 7222 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Thread starter):
It is my opinion that if AA decides on a new livery, we'll see it on this bird right out of the factory. Makes me impatient, lol! Delivery is expected about mid-November.

I think that's pretty unlikely; I'd be very surprised if a decision was made on a brand within two months. If a rebranding occurs as the airline repairs its image, it will occur at the end of the bankruptcy or as the airline emerges from bankruptcy. It would be a foolish move to roll out a new brand (of which the goal would be to renew consumer opinions of the airline) before the less-than-positive PR of labor negotiations and restructuring is behind them.

Also consider the rumors of a possible tie up with US. While AA would likely be the surviving name, I don't think you'd see major public-facing items like a brand rolled out until such decisions were made (and that certainly won't happen before November).

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: Rwy04LGA
Posted 2012-09-10 06:33:39 and read 7223 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2):
is this the first US airline to have the 77W?

Yes

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: rj777
Posted 2012-09-10 08:03:30 and read 7228 times.

Quoting vgnatl747 (Reply 17):
I think that's pretty unlikely; I'd be very surprised if a decision was made on a brand within two months.

You never know in this industry. Stranger things have come out of left field before.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: BryanG
Posted 2012-09-10 08:13:37 and read 7226 times.

Interesting.

For years, ever since the 777-300 nose sections began coming out of the factory in blue-green color, I've been wondering "what would AA do with that?" Like it or not, it would force them to change the livery.

In a few months we'll find out the result.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: PRAirbus
Posted 2012-09-10 08:46:22 and read 7226 times.

Hoping for a new or refreshed livery!!! AA should use the 773 to revamp it's livery since the 787 is so far ahead. Perhaps a "oneworld" livery as well as a 777-300 decal somewhere on the fuselage would be very cool!  

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-09-10 08:51:17 and read 7226 times.

Quoting vgnatl747 (Reply 17):
I'd be very surprised if a decision was made on a brand within two months

AA will have been investigating a rebranding for years. While it was publicly confirmed only recently, work on this update/refresh has almost definitely been going on for much longer. I'd have thought work on a new livery (be it only slightly updated or a significant shift) would have started when the big Airbus order was announced, if not earlier. Even without the bankruptcy, the A32X needs to be painted so a decision needed to be made by the end of the year anyway.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: A388
Posted 2012-09-10 09:01:39 and read 7226 times.

Great to see the first AA 77W getting shape. Does anyone know the delivery schedule of all the 77W's AA will receive? How many will they have by the end of 2015 and on which routes will AA use these nice looking 77W's?

A388

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: SLCGuy
Posted 2012-09-10 09:07:53 and read 7226 times.

I actually like the classic American livery but sadly it will have to be changed from the polished metal due to the Airbus and 787. As for the 77W I would guess the first ones will be the polished metal. The various blue and green colors seen on the skin while in production are just coatings to protect the alclad (pure aluminiun clad onto the stronger aluminium alloy skin which won't polish well). That's why Airbus need to be painted, they don't use alclad skins. Oh and before someone asks why Airbus during production appear to be the same color green, take a close look and you will see it's not the same coating but actually standard aviation zinc chromate primer paint.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-09-10 10:03:16 and read 7408 times.

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 6):
How come there are 4 replies per the overview and I cannot see any except for the original post?

I think there was an issue with the forum, or at least this thread, which is why the image is posted twice above. I"m glad it seems to be working properly now -- it was very frustrating!

Quoting vgnatl747 (Reply 17):
I think that's pretty unlikely; I'd be very surprised if a decision was made on a brand within two months.

The company has been working on the brand for over a year, even pre-bankruptcy. American has made it very clear the delivery of the 777-300ER will be the kick-off for the "new" American, showcasing the steps the company is taking to enhance the inflight experience for passengers, including an entirely new interior. There's probably no better time than now to introduce a new livery, if that is indeed what they are planning. We'll see!

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-09-10 10:40:05 and read 7388 times.

line number is probably between 1047 and 1053

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: LONGisland89
Posted 2012-09-10 16:22:34 and read 7459 times.

Quoting BryanG (Reply 20):
For years, ever since the 777-300 nose sections began coming out of the factory in blue-green color, I've been wondering "what would AA do with that?" Like it or not, it would force them to change the livery.

In a few months we'll find out the result.

The B77W fuselage is mostly aluminum, so they will not be forced to change their livery. The B77W can be painted/polished just like their B772s.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-09-10 17:07:58 and read 7269 times.

Quoting BryanG (Reply 20):
For years, ever since the 777-300 nose sections began coming out of the factory in blue-green color, I've been wondering "what would AA do with that?" Like it or not, it would force them to change the livery.

Why is it different from the -200s? Are they not built the same way?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-09-10 17:25:16 and read 7209 times.

Quoting BryanG (Reply 20):
For years, ever since the 777-300 nose sections began coming out of the factory in blue-green color, I've been wondering "what would AA do with that?" Like it or not, it would force them to change the livery.


The blue green or green color is a water soluble protective finish that is washed off prior to paint or polish... has nothing at all to do with the finished a/c.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-09-10 17:29:43 and read 7198 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 25):
The company has been working on the brand for over a year, even pre-bankruptcy. American has made it very clear the delivery of the 777-300ER will be the kick-off for the "new" American, showcasing the steps the company is taking to enhance the inflight experience for passengers, including an entirely new interior. There's probably no better time than now to introduce a new livery, if that is indeed what they are planning. We'll see!

Obviously, AA is keeping the whole thing a secret, but are we looking at a "freshened" livery or something very different, say when AA went from the lightning bolt to the current livery?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-09-10 20:59:32 and read 6811 times.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 30):

We just don't know. The only thing I've heard, and this from a friend of a friend, is that there is a new livery and that it's "stunning." Again, I think we'll just have to wait and see, but if it's introduced first on the 77W, we won't have to wait long.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: iFlyLOTs
Posted 2012-09-10 21:52:55 and read 6701 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 31):
The only thing I've heard, and this from a friend of a friend, is that there is a new livery and that it's "stunning."

Well, for the sake of replacing the current livery, I sure hope it is nothing less than stunning.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: quiet1
Posted 2012-09-10 22:38:28 and read 6621 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Thread starter):
AA tweeted a photo the other day of their first 777-300ER in production at Boeing. The fuselage is well underway... it just makes me wonder what the outside of it will look like. It is my opinion that if AA decides on a new livery, we'll see it on this bird right out of the factory. Makes me impatient, lol! Delivery is expected about mid-November.

If those pictures portray the current status of AA's first 77W airframe, there seems to be a LOT of work to be done in two months for a mid-November delivery, no?

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-09-11 08:24:43 and read 6093 times.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 33):

While there is a lot of work to be done, typical production time from start to delivery, including flight testing, is approximately 84 days. Considering the airplane is as far along as it is, and it's still early September, there's plenty of time... 67 days remain in fact for the planned November 17 delivery.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-09-11 08:45:56 and read 5997 times.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 33):
If those pictures portray the current status of AA's first 77W airframe, there seems to be a LOT of work to be done in two months for a mid-November delivery, no?

And who knows when the photo was taken. It could have been in the past few days. It might have been 2 weeks go.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-09-11 08:52:47 and read 5979 times.

Quoting quiet1 (Reply 33):
If those pictures portray the current status of AA's first 77W airframe, there seems to be a LOT of work to be done in two months for a mid-November delivery, no?

The 777 line has been running for many years now and they have their production timescales down to a science. Unlike a completely new program like the 787, it would take a major problem to delay the 77W's currently in production (for example: finding that an entire batch of components that came from some supplier were faulty).

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: aa1818
Posted 2012-09-11 14:14:37 and read 5600 times.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 36):
The 777 line has been running for many years now and they have their production timescales down to a science. Unlike a completely new program like the 787, it would take a major problem to delay the 77W's currently in production (for example: finding that an entire batch of components that came from some supplier were faulty).

Or a Bomb threat which forces shut-down of the factory! ( as apparently happenned today: Bomb Threat Forces Evacuation Of Boeing Plant (by acws777 Sep 11 2012 in Civil Aviation) )

AA1818

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: DocLightning
Posted 2012-09-11 15:45:50 and read 5366 times.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 37):
Or a Bomb threat which forces shut-down of the factory! ( as apparently happenned today: Bomb Threat Forces Evacuation Of Boeing Plant (by acws777 Sep 11 2012 in Civil Aviation) )

Not that plant. That was a plant in Pennsylvania. Even if the bomb threat had happened in Everett, it would only cause a delay of one day, which can probably be made up. I doubt AA would raise a contractual stink over a one-day delay, anyway.

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: deltaflyertoo
Posted 2012-09-11 16:06:54 and read 5287 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 31):

We just don't know. The only thing I've heard, and this from a friend of a friend, is that there is a new livery and that it's "stunning." Again, I think we'll just have to wait and see, but if it's introduced first on the 77W, we won't have to wait long.

Just to add to the others questioning qqflyboy about the livery if you do any Google searches as well you can see that AA started talking about this over a year ago in the press. Then when bankruptcy hit it kinda went away then came back again last May with quotes in Adweek and Bloomberg of a major corporate "rebrand" along with concerns of the bare metal look on the new AIrbuses. So indeed its well documented this has been considered and IMO the way things are going and that ambigous new fleet animation video out there I think we'll see the new rebrand and liver in November when the 777-300 comes out.

ANd I hope it indeed is "Stunning" !

Topic: RE: AA's First 777-300ER Takes Shape
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-09-11 16:11:44 and read 5272 times.

Quote:
I'd be very surprised if a decision was made on a brand within two months.

Its not happening in two months, its been happening for over a year. Very likely to see it on the 773ER.


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