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Topic: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-10-01 20:17:32 and read 11307 times.

In this picture from the database of LHR in the early 2005, there is an EI a321 at a gate with the jetway connected to door 2L! How is this possible? I thought all a321s could only have the jetway connected to door 1L? Are there any airlines that currently still do this and is there a special modification or variant that requires/allows this?

http://www.airliners.net/photo//1065826/L/


Any help is greatly appreciated!!!!!

-Don

[Edited 2012-10-01 20:19:34]

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: DesertFlyer
Posted 2012-10-01 21:03:59 and read 11182 times.

LH does this in MUC as well. From what I understand it depends on the design on the jetway.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: tonystan
Posted 2012-10-01 23:07:09 and read 10956 times.

EI, BMI ,LH all used to do it from what I recall.

The door at 2L on an A321 is large enough for passenger use. Back when EI first got their A321s there used to be a galley at 2R for its Premier Europe service which gave space to allow passenger boarding through that door. It never happened in DUB but LHR regularly used it. However since the aircraft have been reconfigured into an all economy layout the space between rows at this exit has been lessened and the door has now been reclassified as an emergency exit only.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: laca773
Posted 2012-10-01 23:29:06 and read 10874 times.

I'd really like to know this too. Thanks for posting this question.
I've been told, 1) the position of 2L is too close to the engine, and thus is at high risk of damage from a rogue jetway; 2) 2L isn't a regular size door for en/deplaning. Instead, it's used as an emergency exit.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: smbukas
Posted 2012-10-01 23:40:49 and read 10824 times.

LH also use that on some gates in FRA also. A321 and also 757 second doors are big for passenger boarding. And boarding procedure become much faster with jetway connected to second door as passengers split two ways just after entering the aircraft.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: YYCspotter
Posted 2012-10-02 11:50:40 and read 9532 times.

The Airbus A321 can use its 2L door as a passnger door, but only if it is in passenger door configuration. as long as the slide is disarmed, it, and (Although unlikely) even the 3L door can be used if needed.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: bwaflyer
Posted 2012-10-02 12:10:22 and read 9173 times.

Door 3L is not full height, so although it can be disarmed, passengers would have to duck down to board.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: rufusisgod
Posted 2012-10-02 12:23:40 and read 8923 times.

There is a simple reason for this. Its generally only at LHR 2L is used and only on stand 90.

It's because the taxiway behind curves a little bit and the 321 must taxi in closer to the terminal to allow for wing clearance.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: Shamrock137
Posted 2012-10-02 13:08:02 and read 8109 times.

I imagine it also has to do with jetway size. Their are many different types of jetways, some small enough to be used on an ERJ145 without an adapter, to those that are extra wide for larger aircraft such as the A380. This affects the maneuverability of the jetway and its footprint on the ramp.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: rufusisgod
Posted 2012-10-02 13:14:42 and read 8013 times.

The Jetway is the standard size on stand 90. As it's used for 320s also. My reason above is the reason why its done. I've operated into LHR for the past 7 yrs. It's always the way on that stand.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: LH422
Posted 2012-10-02 13:25:44 and read 7844 times.

Quoting smbukas (Reply 4):
LH also use that on some gates in FRA also.

I've been on LH A321 flights out of Frankfurt where they had two jetbridges attached. Business boarded through 1L and economy through 2L.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: GT4EZY
Posted 2012-10-02 13:49:55 and read 7452 times.

Generally speaking, doors 2L on the A321 is rarely used and the main reason for this is that the door is actually pretty close to the number 1 engine. Indeed, that is why the slide is slightly slanted. I think the thinking is why increase the risk of engine damage when 1L does the job for the size of aircraft. In my time on the 321 we used 2L a couple of times....mainly due to a parking or airbridge error which made it necassary to use that door.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: tonystan
Posted 2012-10-02 14:29:20 and read 6896 times.

Quoting rufusisgod (Reply 9):
The Jetway is the standard size on stand 90. As it's used for 320s also. My reason above is the reason why its done. I've operated into LHR for the past 7 yrs. It's always the way on that stand.

Stand 90 hasnt been in use for at least 3 years, possibly 4 years now. All the jetties have been removed and the stands used by BA for coaching stands from T3!

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: robffm2
Posted 2012-10-02 15:14:21 and read 6302 times.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 10):
I've been on LH A321 flights out of Frankfurt where they had two jetbridges attached. Business boarded through 1L and economy through 2L.

  

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: bx737
Posted 2012-10-02 15:23:15 and read 6196 times.

EI stopped using stand 90 for their A321s once they were reconfigured to 212 seats as it made boarding and disembarking very difficult as the seats are next to the door. They were reconfigured in about 2004 IIRC.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-10-03 01:14:57 and read 3897 times.

Quoting bx737 (Reply 14):
EI stopped using stand 90 for their A321s once they were reconfigured to 212 seats as it made boarding and disembarking very difficult as the seats are next to the door.

Why is that? on FR 737's the seats are right up to the door also.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: ACEregular
Posted 2012-10-03 02:01:00 and read 3808 times.

FR do not operate the A321. If you are referring to the Boeing 737-800 that they operate, then that will be because the emergency exit's are just small over-wing window exits and not full sized doors. As such they only require a small ammount of extra room to facilitate the occupant's use of the exit. The A321 emergency exits are more or less the same size as a standard boarding door, though in the main, doors 2 and 3 are not as tall. obviously such a large exit can not be blocked by rows of seats regardless of whether it can be used for boarding or soley as an emergency exit. At worst, you will normally find a row at the exit but the window seat missing, to create an assist space for the crew to use the door. The row itself will generally have more legroom than other standard rows. Each door will also have a crew-seat (station adjacent to it. FR do not have crew seats at their emergency exits as they are not floor level exits.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: bx737
Posted 2012-10-03 02:09:47 and read 3793 times.

Unlike the FR 738s there are no seats in front of the exit which come back in line with the exit, there isn't as much space on an A321 at Door 2 as there is at the front of a 738. Door 2 was used a few times for boarding and it was found that boarding was a lot slower than if Door 1 was used, so the decision was taken not to use the door for boarding.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: clydenairways
Posted 2012-10-03 02:15:48 and read 3782 times.

Quoting ACEregular (Reply 16):
Quoting ACEregular (Reply 16):
FR do not operate the A321. If you are referring to the Boeing 737-800 that they operate, then that will be because the emergency exit's are just small over-wing window exits and not full sized doors. As such they only require a small ammount of extra room to facilitate the occupant's use of the exit. The A321 emergency exits are more or less the same size as a standard boarding door, though in the main, doors 2 and 3 are not as tall. obviously such a large exit can not be blocked by rows of seats regardless of whether it can be used for boarding or soley as an emergency exit. At worst, you will normally find a row at the exit but the window seat missing, to create an assist space for the crew to use the door. The row itself will generally have more legroom than other standard rows. Each door will also have a crew-seat (station adjacent to it. FR do not have crew seats at their emergency exits as they are not floor level exits.

I was referring to the fact that the FR 737 seats are right up next to the PAX door, not the overwing exit.

Topic: RE: EI A321 With Jetway Connected To Door 2L
Username: tonystan
Posted 2012-10-03 04:16:02 and read 3642 times.

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 18):
I was referring to the fact that the FR 737 seats are right up next to the PAX door, not the overwing exit.

This thread is about the use of Doors 2 on an A321. With the reconfiguration of the aircraft to a higher density layout by EI door 2L on the 321 literally leaves minimal room as required for evacuating through that door. If you were to board/disembark at that door now passengers would have barely any space to pass thanks to 9BC and would be made even worse if customers had already settled into 10ABC. There is literally no room to manouver there!


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