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Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: wilco737
Posted 2012-09-18 23:56:30 and read 46577 times.

This is a continuation thread of part 8 which can be found here:
787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 8 (by SA7700 Aug 30 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Enjoy.

wilco737
  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: LH422
Posted 2012-09-19 00:29:18 and read 46612 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 250):
VT-AND was delivered 18SEP (morning), not 17SEP.

The plane was in FRA this morning and is on its way to its new home, currently over the Ukraine:

http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vt-and

Here's a picture in FRA:

http://fraaviation.forumsfree.de/t9834-19092012

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-19 00:34:21 and read 46571 times.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 1):
The plane was in FRA this morning and is on its way to its new home, currently over the Ukraine:

Looks like the Airline which shall not be named is finally getting its act together and accepting their well-built craft.

Re-posting my question from Reply 252, last one before the lock:

" Based off of this, how many will UA have by the end of the year?"

-PHX787

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-19 00:45:13 and read 46554 times.

Quote:
" Based off of this, how many will UA have by the end of the year?"

5, if I remember correctly.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-09-19 00:52:43 and read 46530 times.

Can anyone list 787 airlines continent wise, who all will be flying them.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: MarSciGuy
Posted 2012-09-19 04:35:01 and read 46275 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 4):

Can anyone list 787 airlines continent wise, who all will be flying them.

This list I found easily via Wiki search... I did not check it vs. anything else for accuracy but it's a starting point to answer your question (and it took about 25 seconds to find via Google...) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-19 06:39:13 and read 46015 times.

From Part 8, originally posted by United787:

22 Delivered to 5 Airlines

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/17/2012 - AI #2

Next Up:
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/xx/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/20/2012 - NH #14
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - 9/20/2012 - QR #1
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/23/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/25/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 9/26/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 9/xx/2012 - AI #3
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - 9/28/2012 - AI #4
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - 10/18/2012 - QR #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/28/2012 - ET #3
L/N 73 - B-2728 - 10/24/2012 - HU #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - 10/26/2012 - AI #5 Awaiting first flight

Other completed aircraft:
L/N 43 - B-2727 - TBD - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 63 - JA816A - TBD - NH #16 Awaiting first flight
L/N 77 - N26906 - TBD - UA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #3 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-19 11:12:52 and read 45499 times.

AI is slated to pick-up its 3rd (1st N. Charleston built) 787 next week per a Boeing official.

http://www.postandcourier.com/articl...delivered-next-week-executive-says

September 787 deliveries are shaping up to be a banner month. This will look good for the next earnings call. I hope Boeing can sustain the momentum.

Been reading that the supply chain is already producing at 5/month and that this will work its way into the FAL's by year end. Apparently, new build deliveries will lag behind this rate due to post FAL testing and prep time averaging longer than expected.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-09-19 12:32:21 and read 45144 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/xx/2012 - UA #1

What's up with this one? Wasn't it supposed to have delivered? Is there some known reason for a hold up?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-09-19 12:44:46 and read 44982 times.

Quoting LH422 (Reply 1):
Looks like the Airline which shall not be named is finally getting its act together

The AWSNBN so far only secured bridge financing. If they don't find a lessor for their sell and lease back plan, the whole deal will fall apart. Unless the Indian tax payer comes to the rescue, that is.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-19 12:45:17 and read 44993 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 8):
What's up with this one? Wasn't it supposed to have delivered? Is there some known reason for a hold up?

The guestimate was she would be delivered yesterday, but that was before the GEnx issue so it's possible the plane is still undergoing engine inspection or UA have decided to delay delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-09-19 13:22:09 and read 44493 times.

What's up with 264? On a long round robin flight today when it should be in the paint shop at FTW.   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-09-19 13:32:11 and read 44370 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 10):
The guestimate was she would be delivered yesterday, but that was before the GEnx issue so it's possible the plane is still undergoing engine inspection or UA have decided to delay delivery.

Or maybe she was the "lucky" owner of the other engine that Boeing and GE discovered cracks in    The NTSB report has the engine serial number, but no info on what airframe the said engine was attached to..  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: hmelawyer
Posted 2012-09-19 13:43:27 and read 44239 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 12):
Or maybe she was the "lucky" owner of the other engine that Boeing and GE discovered cracks in The NTSB report has the engine serial number, but no info on what airframe the said engine was attached to..

Very unlikely since the frame (LN53) just flew yesterday. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE288 If it was the bird with the problem I would expect that the frame would be grounded for an engine change.

My guess on bird with the problem is LN43 for China Southern. It is one that has GE engines attached and has languished in "pre-flight prep" for quite some time now and dropped off delivery forecasts.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-19 13:43:28 and read 44248 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/17/2012 - AI #2

As I mentioned before, AND was delivered on the 18th of September, not the 17th.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-19 17:01:58 and read 42159 times.

Busy day as three '87s flew: ZA135 for ANA, ZA461 to QR and ZA264 for Ethiopian. Probably had to do one more Boeing test flight due to a sqwak that prevented it from flying to Ft. Worth yesterday. I won't be surprised if it flew down there tomorrow or Friday.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-19 20:11:25 and read 39240 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
ZA135 for ANA

Matt Cawby Tweeted that this was a C1 flight  

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
ZA264 for Ethiopian. Probably had to do one more Boeing test flight due to a sqwak that prevented it from flying to Ft. Worth yesterday.

Apparently so. Matt says it was an EWR flight.

Looks like it flew a long enough mission that it could have made it to Ft. Worth.

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...4/history/20120919/1700Z/KPAE/KPAE

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2012-09-20 10:26:02 and read 36588 times.

Any ideas on why ZA461 is going to Yuma today?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE461

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-20 10:32:36 and read 36562 times.

Whats in Yuma? Some Boeing facility?

I guess a few more 788s will get delivered before October? No european airline so far but LOT should be the first?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-20 10:41:11 and read 36528 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 17):
Any ideas on why ZA461 is going to Yuma today?http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE461

Pehaps testing in a hot and dry climate similar to that of Qatar?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-09-20 12:33:47 and read 36235 times.

Anyone have any info on why UA has failed to take delivery of N20904 two days after the projected delivery date?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-20 13:17:04 and read 36087 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 20):
Anyone have any info on why UA has failed to take delivery of N20904 two days after the projected delivery date?

It wouldn't surprise me if GEnx is the reason.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-09-20 14:18:12 and read 35926 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 20):
Anyone have any info on why UA has failed to take delivery of N20904 two days after the projected delivery date?

Because that's what happens, both with mature programs and the 787. They lay out a schedule at the start of the delivery preparation, but it evolves depending on what they find out during testing and customer walks based on what they have to fix. This schedule is on its 7th revision now.

I've said it before but I'll say it again. Ignore the exact date. It's taken from a snapshot of an evolving schedule. Only the month matters.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 21):
It wouldn't surprise me if GEnx is the reason.

There's no evidence of that in the schedule.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-20 15:34:36 and read 35756 times.

Quoting dynamicsguy (Reply 22):
There's no evidence of that in the schedule.

You don't find it notable that the QR, UA, and AI deliveries keep sliding to the right? What do they all have in common? - GE engines. And we all know about the GEnx problems..

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-20 17:04:17 and read 35571 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 19):
Pehaps testing in a hot and dry climate similar to that of Qatar?

That's my guess. It's about lower to mid 100s here in AZ today.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-09-20 17:07:01 and read 35874 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
You don't find it notable that the QR, UA, and AI deliveries keep sliding to the right?

No. We all know about AI; QR is possibly the most demanding and unpredictable airline customer on earth; and UA is only two days behind last week's schedule, not enough to worry about.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-09-21 02:25:07 and read 35334 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
You don't find it notable that the QR, UA, and AI deliveries keep sliding to the right? What do they all have in common? - GE engines

I should have been a bit clearer. I can access the Everett Delivery Center schedules and there was no evidence in that of a delay caused by the GE engines.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-09-21 02:33:47 and read 35649 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 23):
You don't find it notable that the QR, UA, and AI deliveries keep sliding to the right? What do they all have in common? - GE engines. And we all know about the GEnx problems..

There also is alot of aircraft with RR engined where deliveries keep sliding right....so your argument is poor

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dash8pilot
Posted 2012-09-21 07:44:05 and read 35247 times.

Any updates on QR #1, today is the 21st of September and still no delivery?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-21 07:46:46 and read 35268 times.

Quoting dash8pilot (Reply 28):
Any updates on QR #1, today is the 21st of September and still no delivery?

They're refurbishing the cabin so I could see that taking some time as if they have to replace a seat in Row 6, I expect they need to remove Rows 1-5 on that side first.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-21 08:06:24 and read 35144 times.

Note for the future, don't agree to bring a customer plane to an airshow..one scratch could cause a lot of pain..  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-21 09:44:55 and read 34888 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 29):
They're refurbishing the cabin so I could see that taking some time as if they have to replace a seat in Row 6, I expect they need to remove Rows 1-5 on that side first.

Gotta blame U-Turn Al for that one. He's the one who proably insisted on bringing ZA461 to Farnborough.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-21 09:49:02 and read 34892 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 31):
Gotta blame U-Turn Al for that one. He's the one who proably insisted on bringing ZA461 to Farnborough.

I'm sure he was, which is why I find it a bit rich to now complain about damage. As I noted in the previous thread, if he wanted a pristine plane on delivery, he should not have sent it to an air show and allowed folks to run around inside.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-21 09:49:34 and read 34891 times.

Quote:
Note for the future, don't agree to bring a customer plane to an airshow..one scratch could cause a lot of pain..


"Nooo, do not touch that chair!!"

But seriously ... the 787 will fly to Charleston once the refurbishment is completed. There it will get connectivity (WiFi etc) installed within 30 days. We should see the delivery flight by the end of November.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-09-21 09:53:49 and read 34871 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):
But seriously ... the 787 will fly to Charleston once the refurbishment is completed. There it will get connectivity (WiFi etc) installed within 30 days. We should see the delivery flight by the end of November.

so much for QR's scheduling and plans to start the 787 service. Bet we don't see another of their shiny new planes doing demos at an airshow any time soon  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-21 10:08:09 and read 34806 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 31):
Gotta blame U-Turn Al for that one. He's the one who proably insisted on bringing ZA461 to Farnborough.

Yes, and Boeing was against it. But the customer has the final word and now it's his fault.

Quote:
I'm sure he was, which is why I find it a bit rich to now complain about damage. As I noted in the previous thread, if he wanted a pristine plane on delivery, he should not have sent it to an air show and allowed folks to run around inside.

I agree but we all know that Al Baker is not the easiest person on earth.

Quote:
so much for QR's scheduling and plans to start the 787 service. Bet we don't see another of their shiny new planes doing demos at an airshow any time soon

Maybe LN/64 A7-BCL can overtake A7-BCB but that frame is still sitting on the flightline.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-21 10:10:46 and read 34783 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 34):
so much for QR's scheduling and plans to start the 787 service. Bet we don't see another of their shiny new planes doing demos at an airshow any time soon

Interesting is the absence of U-Turn Al's typical ranting in the press about delays. Is his silence an admission that QR is the reason for the slow turn-around since FARN?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-21 10:31:48 and read 34690 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 33):

He really looks like an actor that plays Hercule Poirot IMO   Davis Suchet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-21 11:11:39 and read 34567 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 37):
He really looks like an actor that plays Hercule Poirot

Agreed, but in this instance, "looks like" and "acts like" are completely different. Poirot was an utmost gentleman even when dealing with guilty parties. The same might be said of Suchet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-21 11:42:09 and read 34474 times.

Getting word that issues with IFE and internet connectivity on QR 1st 787 is the reason for the delay. The Qatar delivery team is in Seattle right now so there's hope that it could be delivered this month. Please see my latest blog post.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-21 12:11:14 and read 34396 times.

I moved QR (A7-BCB) down to a TBD given the uncertainity of that aircraft... A7-BCL could end up being QR#1...

22 Delivered to 5 Airlines

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/18/2012 - AI #2

Next Up:
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/xx/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/xx/2012 - NH #14
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/23/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/25/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 9/26/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 9/xx/2012 - AI #3
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - 9/28/2012 - AI #4
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - 10/18/2012 - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/28/2012 - ET #3
L/N 73 - B-2728 - 10/24/2012 - HU #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - 10/26/2012 - AI #5 Awaiting first flight

Other completed aircraft:
L/N 43 - B-2727 - TBD - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 63 - JA816A - TBD - NH #16 Awaiting first flight
L/N 77 - N26906 - TBD - UA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - TBD - QR #?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-21 12:23:59 and read 34343 times.

My guess is that ANA will get 2, JAL 1, UA 1, ET 1 and AI 1. 9 total for September is a huge improvement compared to recent months.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-21 12:29:17 and read 34357 times.

Looking at U-turn Al in that picture and then on to Poirot, the line would be: Someone has committed a crime in this very cabin.

Sorry for the OT.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-09-21 15:24:39 and read 34017 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 35):
Yes, and Boeing was against it.

True, and I remember quite a few of us questioning the objections voiced in this very forum by tdscanuck about them doing it (myself included). Belated apologies, Tom.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: milestones787
Posted 2012-09-21 15:47:18 and read 34014 times.

Matt Cawby has tweeted that LN 53, UA N20904, is supposed to fly to BFI this afternoon on its delivery flight.

https://twitter.com/mattcawby

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-21 15:50:57 and read 34011 times.

Hold to your seats. UA's first delivery could be either tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-22 06:51:28 and read 33250 times.

Got a message saying that ZA288 delivered and is now flying to Houston. Supposedly flying at UA 3904 from BFI to IAH but it's not showing up on Flightaware. I'm listing as delivered.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-22 06:54:45 and read 33238 times.

Congratulations to United and Boeing...my screenname and dreams have come true!!!!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: hiflyer
Posted 2012-09-22 07:05:20 and read 33173 times.

3904 is the internal aircraft number for this bird. Supposed to be flying as UAL6864.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-22 09:59:21 and read 32806 times.

ZA288 is still in Seattle and should depart later today or tomorrow morning. Apparently it's getting some sort of custom software load. IT HAS NOT DELIVERED YET!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-22 10:10:03 and read 32717 times.

The problem with blogs and twitter, false information spreads like a wild fire.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-22 10:11:48 and read 32753 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 49):
Apparently it's getting some sort of custom software load.

iOS 6 for the 787?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-22 10:22:13 and read 32793 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 51):

iOS 6 for the 787?

Hopefully not with the maps.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-22 11:00:38 and read 32739 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 47):
Congratulations to United and Boeing...my screenname and dreams have come true!!!!

Congrats to UA and Boeing! and Congrats are an order for United787 too  
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 52):
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 51):

iOS 6 for the 787?

Hopefully not with the maps.

  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-22 11:58:27 and read 32616 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 50):
The problem with blogs and twitter, false information spreads like a wild fire.

What did you say? A 787 RR engine has now started a wildfire in Seattle?  
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 49):
ZA288 is still in Seattle and should depart later today or tomorrow morning. Apparently it's getting some sort of custom software load. IT HAS NOT DELIVERED YET!

Way to put a damper on my day  
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 53):
Congrats to UA and Boeing! and Congrats are an order for United787 too

Congrats to you too PHX787!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-22 12:17:51 and read 32542 times.

No delivery today. Apparently no C-1 flight has even taken place. That still has to be done as well as some other training and marketing matters. Delivery towards the end of the week possibly.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-22 12:27:48 and read 32506 times.

Thursday is looking likely for VT-ANI, although they are trying to move the delivery forward.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-22 13:07:45 and read 32409 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 54):
Congrats to you too PHX787!

Still waiting for the JL / NH announcement        

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 56):
Thursday is looking likely for VT-ANI, although they are trying to move the delivery forward.

Why forward? More paper-pushing needed?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
No delivery today. Apparently no C-1 flight has even taken place. That still has to be done as well as some other training and marketing matters. Delivery towards the end of the week possibly.

Aww we got all our hopes up for nothing!   

Looks like we could see a double-delivery day?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-09-22 13:28:17 and read 32373 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):

Like I posted in the last thread or maybe number 7, some airlines, don't fly any customer flights before delivery.

However, that is with the well established 737 line, so I doubt an airline taking delivery of an almost brand new type, one which will be brand new to them at delivery, will not fly customer flights, though it could be possible.

Hopefully it will be in Houston very very soon. I know they are announced, but specific route will actually be the first to be flown? IAH-?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-22 14:20:57 and read 32278 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 59):
I know they are announced, but specific route will actually be the first to be flown? IAH-?

IAH-ORD, IAH-EWR, IAH-SFO and IAH-LAX per http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/p...nger-flight-on-dreamliner/835125/1

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-09-22 15:24:39 and read 32121 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 49):
Apparently it's getting some sort of custom software load.

Customer software load is one of the last tasks before flyaway and seems to happen just after delivery. It appears in the schedule for every airplane.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
Apparently no C-1 flight has even taken place

It has had multiple C-x flights.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 10:29:42 and read 31012 times.

This just popped up on Flightaware...
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL7708

Interestign that it's going to Grant Co. I don't know what that means but the flight number suggests that UA has taken delivery possibly this morning.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-09-23 11:01:35 and read 30864 times.

I am a bit lost.

What was the last LN that rolled out of final assembly in 2011?
The latest one that rolled out this year was LN77, is that correct?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 11:24:10 and read 30789 times.

Yes so far we're at L/N 77 out the door at Everett.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-09-23 11:34:21 and read 30742 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 63):
Yes so far we're at L/N 77 out the door at Everett.

Thank you, Uresh. In your disposition list you have only 4 airplanes in the FALs in Everett. With LN80 now in the surge line, shouldn't that be 5?
Also, some images seem to suggest that there is parts for more than 1 airplane in 40-26 position 0?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 12:03:46 and read 30649 times.

There's 3 in 40-26, 1 in 40-24 and 4 in 88-03 (CHS).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-23 12:30:31 and read 30538 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 61):
Interestign that it's going to Grant Co. I don't know what that means but the flight number suggests that UA has taken delivery possibly this morning.

Just financial delivery - physical delivery still hasn't happened yet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-09-23 12:39:08 and read 30488 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 63):
Yes so far we're at L/N 77 out the door at Everett.

If I assume that LN50 was the last one to roll out in 2011, and LN65, 72, 76 are still in 88-03, then only 24 have rolled out in the first nine months of 2012, or less than 3 per month? What do I miss?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-23 12:52:08 and read 30430 times.

There has been some sort of hold for Everett FAL? Are they trying to clear the flight line?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-09-23 12:52:34 and read 30451 times.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 68):
What do I miss?

What do you think you missed? It has been ramping up.

[Edited 2012-09-23 12:54:24]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-09-23 12:56:14 and read 30454 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 70):
What do you think you missed?

Well, Boeing ramped to 3,5 per month in October 2011, but the output in 2012 so far was 24 / 9 = 2,67 per month?   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-23 12:58:30 and read 30486 times.

So is the UA frame delivered now? It´s in the air? And why go to Grant? There is nothing there but a huge runway for test flight right?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-23 13:11:40 and read 30435 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 63):
Yes so far we're at L/N 77 out the door at Everett.


Yes but LN78 should be outside by now. moonm is usually taking pictures of the 40-51 apron but there is no activity on his Flickr stream over the past 6 days.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-23 13:16:52 and read 30444 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 71):
So is the UA frame delivered now? It´s in the air?

According to Matt Cawby she is in the air:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8016511162/in/photostream

Quote:
And why go to Grant?

Good question.

Quote:
There is nothing there but a huge runway for test flight right?

Correct http://maps.google.nl/maps?q=Grant+C...hq=Grant+Co+Intl&radius=15000&z=13

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-23 13:21:11 and read 30410 times.

Washington state seems littered with old airbases and runways, good place to build airliners  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 13:54:04 and read 30297 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 66):
Just financial delivery - physical delivery still hasn't happened yet.

If the paperwork is signed and money has changed hands then it's acontractual delivery and United owns it.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-09-23 14:01:33 and read 30270 times.

Maybe they went to Grant to film/ photo shoots etc? Wild Idea? Not so much traffic to disturb as close to SEA as BFI is?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 14:32:06 and read 30345 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 76):
Maybe they went to Grant to film/ photo shoots etc? Wild Idea? Not so much traffic to disturb as close to SEA as BFI is?

It could be a combination of aerial photography and final testing on the software, etc. Wonder what the plans are for it at BFI and then thereafter. Right now since it's flying under a UA code, I'm assuming delivery has been made.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-09-23 15:35:50 and read 30147 times.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 70):
Well, Boeing ramped to 3,5 per month in October 2011, but the output in 2012 so far was 24 / 9 = 2,67 per month?   

They increased the rate to 3.5/Month in March this year, not October last year: Source Even so, the numbers don't add up.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-23 15:36:54 and read 30132 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
If the paperwork is signed and money has changed hands then it's acontractual delivery and United owns it.

Correct. However, it's still Boeing crews which are operating the flight to BFI I believe.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 15:56:58 and read 30084 times.

It seems that N20904 is still at Moses Lake. Wondering what happened there.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-09-23 15:57:55 and read 30112 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 79):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
If the paperwork is signed and money has changed hands then it's acontractual delivery and United owns it.

Correct. However, it's still Boeing crews which are operating the flight to BFI I believe.



Who cares who is flying it? It could be the autopilot from the movie Airplane (that Julie Hagerty resuscitated). 


As long as Boeing got the Money... Its delivered.  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-23 16:01:09 and read 30126 times.

Quoting mffoda (Reply 81):
As long as Boeing got the Money... Its delivered.

Precisely, that's all that matters when it comes to delivery. Just checked and UA 7708 just left Moses Lake for Boeing Field.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-09-23 18:14:57 and read 29858 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 71):
And why go to Grant? There is nothing there but a huge runway for test flight right?

It's not really "for flight test" so much as just really convenient. Grant County is an old USAF base turned public-use with the related giant runway...Boeing, C-17's from McChord AFB, even JAL in the past, all used it for the combination of large-jet infrastructure and very very low traffic. It's got a Millionaire (very nice folks) and a convenient piece of VFR training airspace (the North Training Area) just a few minutes away.

If you want to fly big jets around Puget Sound for any reason, Grant County or the offshore warning areas are the best bets.

Tom.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-09-24 07:44:00 and read 28960 times.

Quoting MarSciGuy (Reply 5):

Its missing lots of airlines.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-24 08:59:10 and read 28695 times.

Ok Boeing has confirmed that they have delivered United's first 787. Boeing has also confirmed to me that they have delivered ANA's 14th 787 just yeasterday (flyaway should be tnight). Boeing has delivered 24 787s, 21 this year and 5 (thus far) in the month of September.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-24 09:06:49 and read 28669 times.

Great news!

We should see at least 2 more deliveries this month:
- ET-AOR LN71: already made a customer flight
- JA815A LN66: made also a customer flight

And very likely another one for JAL:
- JA824J LN27: made several test flights

And maybe:
- VT-ANI LN46: fingers crossed

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: pygmalion
Posted 2012-09-24 09:18:10 and read 28585 times.

Grant County International Airport KMWH (ex Larson Air Force Base) has a 13,500 runaway. Boeing owns the East Ramp and buildings and has used it for years as a test facility. No ramp fees. Good weather,

Why wouldn't Boeing use it for whatever they feel like?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: petera380
Posted 2012-09-24 10:05:30 and read 28387 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 85):
Boeing has also confirmed to me that they have delivered ANA's 14th 787 just yeasterday

Which ANA was delivered yesterday (Sunday)?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-24 11:10:17 and read 28107 times.

Quoting petera380 (Reply 88):
Which ANA was delivered yesterday (Sunday)?

ZA119 (LN 69, JA814A)

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: petera380
Posted 2012-09-24 11:16:48 and read 28057 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 89):
ZA119 (LN 69, JA814A)

Thanks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-24 11:36:43 and read 28001 times.

Just put up a new posting about how many more 787s will be delivered during the 4th quarter

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-24 11:58:56 and read 27907 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 91):
Just put up a new posting about how many more 787s will be delivered during the 4th quarter

So if everything goes according to plan, ANA should have more than half of their 787-8 order by the end of the year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-24 12:10:58 and read 27899 times.

24 Delivered to 6 Airlines

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/18/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/22/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/23/2012 - NH #14

Next Up:
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/xx/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/25/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 9/26/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 9/xx/2012 - AI #3
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - 9/28/2012 - AI #4
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - 10/18/2012 - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/28/2012 - ET #3
L/N 73 - B-2728 - 10/24/2012 - HU #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - 10/26/2012 - AI #5 Awaiting first flight

Other completed aircraft:
L/N 43 - B-2727 - TBD - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 63 - JA816A - TBD - NH #16 Awaiting first flight
L/N 77 - N26906 - TBD - UA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - TBD - QR #?

Nice work Boeing in getting 787s out the door, we have seen 9 deliveries in the past 6 weeks with a good chance of seeing a few more this week! Given the fact that 4 of those were for new operators, it is more amazing; I assume it is more complicated and time consuming for a first delivery!

I am guessing that the number of 787s loitering around PAE has finally decreased? I would love to see a chart on this! It also seems like the time between first flight and delivery is more consistent with about a 3-4 week average...some delivering 2-3 weeks after first flight!

[Edited 2012-09-24 12:13:42]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-24 12:40:33 and read 27762 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 92):
So if everything goes according to plan, ANA should have more than half of their 787-8 order by the end of the year.

No but they'll be close. They should have 17 -8s by the end of the year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-24 12:52:06 and read 27695 times.

Quote:
No but they'll be close.

Hmm I was pretty sure they had 34 on order. I'm not sure why I have that number in my mind.

Quote:
They should have 17 -8s by the end of the year.

JA814A and JA815A in September makes 15, and 3 in Q4 (LN59, LN63 and LN83) makes 18?

[Edited 2012-09-24 12:53:12]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-24 13:56:40 and read 27487 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
Hmm I was pretty sure they had 34 on order. I'm not sure why I have that number in my mind.

ANA has 36 787-8 on order, 14 have been delivered thus far and I'm projecting that 3 more will delivered by year end.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-09-24 17:50:38 and read 27062 times.

A little morbid... But what happened to the guy that got ran over while the 787 was under tow earlier this year? I never did read or see anything on the outcome of that.

On a completely different note, I noticed we are turning over production threads about once every two weeks now.   It finally seems like everything is coming together.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: YVRLTN
Posted 2012-09-24 18:29:24 and read 26957 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 93):
I am guessing that the number of 787s loitering around PAE has finally decreased?

Please excuse the quality - but here are some shots I took at PAE last Wednesday 19th
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...11021811/in/set-72157623557579019/

I saw:
UA N20904 (now delivered)
AI VT-ANA (long term storage)
HU B-2728
AI VT-ANE (long term storage)
AI VT-ANB (long term storage)
LA CC-BDH
NH JA816A
QR A7-BCA
LA CC-BBB
ET ET-AOS (all white)
JL JA824J
NH JA814A (now delivered)
ET ET-AOR
NH JA804A (long term storage)
NH JA805A (long term storage)
NH JA809A (long term storage)
QR A7-BCB (on departure to Yuma)
CZ B-2727
AI VT-ANC (long term storage)
NH JA815A (test flight)

+ another NH, another all white with blue rudder (assume UA #2)

+ 2 others in NH colors (one with false reg JA806A), 2 others in all white (one ID'd as formerly for LA), 2 in AT colors and one with a CZ rudder and one with an ET rudder.

That makes 30 Dreamliner's - and two of those are now delivered + QR has gone.

If anyone can help ID some of these for me from the photos would be much appreciated, I havent had time to do the research yet.

Quoting hmelawyer (Reply 13):
My guess on bird with the problem is LN43 for China Southern

Hidden away in the hangar on my visit...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...11023755/in/set-72157623557579019/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-09-24 22:38:24 and read 26549 times.

Can anyone list airlines that do not appear on Boeing order book for the 787, airlines that will be leasing them.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-25 00:52:50 and read 26364 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 96):
ANA has 36 787-8 on order, 14 have been delivered thus far and I'm projecting that 3 more will delivered by year end.

I'm lost here. Your blog post is speaking about the last quarter (October, November, December). JA815A is - as far as I know - still scheduled for this month. So ANA will have 15 787 aircraft by the end of the third quarter. Then another 3 in Q4, makes 18 total. At least, that's how I understand your blog post?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-09-25 00:55:01 and read 26383 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 91):
Just put up a new posting about how many more 787s will be delivered during the 4th quarter

I do think that you are too optimistic. So far the norm has been that most deliveries keeps sliding to the right  

Any idea when any LNs beyond LN90 should be known?

[Edited 2012-09-25 01:00:36]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-25 00:57:32 and read 26567 times.

Quoting YVRLTN (Reply 98):
Hidden away in the hangar on my visit...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...9019/

That one is likely LN34 and not LN43, hmelawyer was speaking about LN43.

[Edited 2012-09-25 00:58:13]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dynamicsguy
Posted 2012-09-25 01:04:00 and read 26565 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 97):
A little morbid... But what happened to the guy that got ran over while the 787 was under tow earlier this year? I never did read or see anything on the outcome of that.

There was a story about it on the Boeing news site in late May. It gave a bit more information about the accident. The guy was walking alongside the tyres of the main gear holding a chock, and that at the time Boeing procedure was to have a person do this so that the chock can be put under the tyres if the airplane became disconnected during a tow. He doesn't know how he ended up under the tyres but is adamant that he wasn't using a phone as had been speculated. Boeing has since discontinued the use of chock walkers on active airport taxiways.

The guy has been fitted with prosthetic legs and says he aims to be back working at Boeing within a year.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-09-25 03:00:18 and read 26396 times.

I see that both BA and Thomson Airlines of the UK are now expecting their first 787s in May 2013. In terms of manufacture could anyone hazard an informed guess as to when that means we will see the first metal cut/plane assembled?

BAs first 380 apparently now scheduled for delivery in July 2013 has recently been 'glued together' and its tail painted. I know 787s will/should take much less time to build but am keen to know how long I have to wait for my first sight of a 787 with a BA/Thomson tail.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: APYu
Posted 2012-09-25 03:13:45 and read 26357 times.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 104):
I see that both BA and Thomson Airlines of the UK are now expecting their first 787s in May 2013

Thomson are expecting two in March the first will go to MAN and the second to LGW, which will operate Short and Medium haul routes prior to official launch of the longhaul 787 flights in May. Four will be flying during the summer.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: max550
Posted 2012-09-25 06:53:39 and read 25953 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
L/N 77 - N26906 - TBD - UA #2 Awaiting first flight
Quoting United787 (Reply 93):
L/N 77 - N26906 - TBD - UA #2 Awaiting first flight

Any update on when this one will be delivered? Just want to make sure they'll have it in time for my IAH-EWR flight on Nov. 4th  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 07:06:39 and read 25906 times.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 101):
Any idea when any LNs beyond LN90 should be known?

When I find out the information.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 07:07:37 and read 25925 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 106):
Any update on when this one will be delivered? Just want to make sure they'll have it in time for my IAH-EWR flight on Nov. 4th

Second UA 787 will be delivered in October. It's in pre-flight right now.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 07:12:06 and read 25945 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
JA814A and JA815A in September makes 15, and 3 in Q4 (LN59, LN63 and LN83) makes 18?
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 95):
JA814A and JA815A in September makes 15, and 3 in Q4 (LN59, LN63 and LN83) makes 18?

I stand corrected. With ZA135 being delivered later on this week they'll have 15 and I do project that they'll get three more in the 4th quarter which will make for 18 and half their 787-8 order. Thanks!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: max550
Posted 2012-09-25 07:39:49 and read 25838 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 108):
Second UA 787 will be delivered in October. It's in pre-flight right now.

Thank you, hopefully no more setbacks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: vandenheuvel
Posted 2012-09-25 07:57:41 and read 25813 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 108):
Second UA 787 will be delivered in October. It's in pre-flight right now.

Using the information in this thread. What are my chances of getting a 787 on my UA IAH-AMS flight on 01-18-2013? Flight is scheduled as a 787.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 08:23:18 and read 25774 times.

Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 111):
Using the information in this thread. What are my chances of getting a 787 on my UA IAH-AMS flight on 01-18-2013? Flight is scheduled as a 787.

Boeing has 1 787s that is ready for test flights and three more in change incorporation and pretty much well on their way through that process so I think they'll be delivered in teh months that they're expecting.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 09:24:33 and read 25613 times.

According to the follow ing press release from Boeing, they've either have delivered 24 or 25 787s since the first delivery one year ago (trying to get clarification) which means that there was at least one possibly 2 deliveries since September 23 when ZA119 (LN 69, JA814A) was delivered. I'mtrying to find out now.

Boeing Celebrates First Anniversary of First 787 Delivery

EVERETT, Wash., Sept. 25, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- Today marks the one year anniversary of the first delivery of the first Boeing (NYSE: BA) 787 Dreamliner to Japan's ANA (All Nippon Airways). Since then, Boeing has delivered 25 Dreamliners to six different customers.

"One year ago today we reached a significant milestone in Boeing and ANA's partnership," said Ray Conner, president and CEO of Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "We are grateful for the support and confidence that ANA has placed in Boeing as the launch customer of the 787 Dreamliner."

"ANA has helped validate the airplane as truly game-changing," said Conner. "All of our 787 customers have been an integral part of making the 787 a success. We are committed to each of them as they put the Dreamliner into service."

Thousands of Boeing employees and dignitaries celebrated the historic delivery in a ceremony on Sept. 26 that highlighted the pride and dedication of the team that created the airplane and the cooperation and support of the airline.

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner is the first commercial jetliner made primarily of advanced composite materials. It offers exceptional passenger comfort features including cleaner air, a lower cabin altitude, higher humidity, bigger windows that dim electronically and more overhead storage space. Airlines appreciate its fuel efficiency, which is 20 percent better than other airplanes in its class. This fuel efficiency also results in 20 percent lower carbon emissions, helping Boeing to achieve its environmental objectives.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-25 09:30:45 and read 25612 times.

Boeing delivered ZA178 (LN 27, JA824J) to JAL yesterday afternoon. Fly away should be tonight. That's 25 787s thus far, 22 this year and 6 this month.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-25 09:36:37 and read 25610 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 71):
And why go to Grant? There is nothing there but a huge runway for test flight right?

It's getting better, UA's first 787 is scheduled to fly to Grant Co again:

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...8/history/20120925/1615Z/KBFI/KMWH

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-09-25 10:01:56 and read 25513 times.

I am starting to get curious why UA keeps flying back and forth to Grant Co...have any other customers done this (or similar) on their first delivery?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: catdaddy63
Posted 2012-09-25 10:12:50 and read 25475 times.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 116):
I am starting to get curious why UA keeps flying back and forth to Grant Co...

Might be easier to get some pilot familiarization done in a low traffic environment? Actual seat time in the real aircraft rather than the sim possibly?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-25 11:16:22 and read 25329 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 106):
Any update on when this one will be delivered? Just want to make sure they'll have it in time for my IAH-EWR flight on Nov. 4th
Quoting vandenheuvel (Reply 111):
What are my chances of getting a 787 on my UA IAH-AMS flight on 01-18-2013? Flight is scheduled as a 787.

It seems pretty likely that UA will be able to stick to their plan, especially since they will have at least 2 787s by 11/4/2012. IMHO, it seems they are being EXTREMELY conservative in introducing this new type to their fleet. They took delivery on 9/22/2012 and won't be putting it into service until 11/4/2012, 43 days later! By comparison, back in 1995, it only took UA 23 days to put the 777 into service after delivery; and that was the first 777 ever! They will need to replace the tires soon from all of the kicking being done.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: vandenheuvel
Posted 2012-09-25 11:31:49 and read 25265 times.

Thanks NYC777 and United787 for the information. I'm confident a 787 will show up for my flight.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-09-25 11:39:23 and read 25269 times.

Wow. LN 27 too? There are only a couple that are left "ready for delivery". After they go, how long before we see another batch ready?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-26 11:34:34 and read 24023 times.

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 116):
I am starting to get curious why UA keeps flying back and forth to Grant Co...have any other customers done this (or similar) on their first delivery?

Here is more info: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-in-flights-around-seattle-376968/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-26 12:10:27 and read 23923 times.

I've updated the 787 firing order to include L/N 91 to L/N 100. Please see my newest posting.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-09-26 14:08:39 and read 23642 times.

Latest on the 787 plan :

Sep :

ET-AOR, A7-BCB and VT-ANI are planned to go before the end of the month. N20904 officially delivered on 21st, just to clear that one up.

Oct plan is to deliver : ANA JA816A, ETH ET-AOP & S, UAL N26906, CHH B-2728, AIC VT-ANJ, QTR A7-BCA & L, LAN CC-BBB. CSN B-2727 may go October, but no date set yet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2012-09-26 14:36:47 and read 23506 times.

Quoting RobK (Reply 123):
Sep :ET-AOR, A7-BCB and VT-ANI are planned to go before the end of the month. N20904 officially delivered on 21st, just to clear that one up.Oct plan is to deliver : ANA JA816A, ETH ET-AOP & S, UAL N26906, CHH B-2728, AIC VT-ANJ, QTR A7-BCA & L, LAN CC-BBB. CSN B-2727 may go October, but no date set yet.

What about ANA JA815A?

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-26 14:42:21 and read 23530 times.

With 9 deliveries expected this month, it looks like Boeing is finally getting the 787s moving  

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-09-26 15:49:53 and read 23332 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 124):
What about ANA JA815A?

Maybe it has already been contractually delivered. Things seem to be moving pretty quick all of a sudden.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-26 18:13:38 and read 23383 times.

Quoting starrion (Reply 126):
What about ANA JA815A?
Maybe it has already been contractually delivered. Things seem to be moving pretty quick all of a sudden.

It hasn't, I asked Boeing and they haven't delivered it today. I'm thinking tomorrow is looking more likely for that delivery as it flew today on what I assume was a customer flight.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-09-26 19:49:00 and read 23134 times.

What gives with the Qatar a/c? Why has this not been handed over?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-09-26 20:01:26 and read 23126 times.

Quoting n471wn (Reply 128):
What gives with the Qatar a/c? Why has this not been handed over?

They're refurbishing the interior post-Air Show and also installing the IFE.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dkny
Posted 2012-09-26 20:34:13 and read 23033 times.

I thought ET-AOR was being delivered on the 26th according to them

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: mad99
Posted 2012-09-26 22:48:17 and read 22847 times.

787 assembly vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFW5fgypGtY

cool!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: RobK
Posted 2012-09-27 07:44:11 and read 22189 times.

Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 124):
What about ANA JA815A?

Oops! Didn't see that one. That one should go at the very end of this month and probably won't leave PAE til early October.   

[Edited 2012-09-27 07:45:18]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-09-27 07:50:14 and read 22178 times.

Does anyone have a breakdown by year of the 787s UA is scheduled to take delivery of?

I know they are scheduled for five in 2012, how about 2013, 2014 etc.. What year are the first of the 25 sUA 787-8s scheduled to arrive, and 787-9s?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-09-27 09:09:56 and read 21960 times.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 133):
I know they are scheduled for five in 2012, how about 2013, 2014 etc.. What year are the first of the 25 sUA 787-8s scheduled to arrive, and 787-9s?

I haven't seen anything to indicate that the sUA order would be delivered prior to 2016 as originally announced.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-09-27 11:38:48 and read 21659 times.

Looks like we have another first flight for a 788 - LN64/ZA463 for Qatar Airways.

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE463

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ThomasCook
Posted 2012-09-27 12:42:12 and read 21464 times.

Hello,

Does anybody have information on LOT's first 787?

Thanks
ThomasCook

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-09-27 14:29:55 and read 21275 times.

25 Delivered to 6 Airlines

L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/18/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/22/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/23/2012 - NH #14
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/24/2012 - JL #6

Next Up (Tentative - Subject to Change)
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/xx/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 9/xx/2012 - ET #2
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - 9/xx/2012 - AI #3
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - 10/xx/2012 - AI #4
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - 10/18/2012 - QR #?
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/28/2012 - ET #3
L/N 73 - B-2728 - 10/24/2012 - HU #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 - 10/xx/2012 - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 63 - JA816A - 10/xx/2012 - NH #16 Awaiting first flight
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 10/xx/2012 - ET #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - 10/xx/2012 - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 77 - N26906 - 10/xx/2012 - UA #2 Awaiting first flight

L/N 58 - A7-BCB - TBD - QR #?
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - TBD - AI #5 Awaiting first flight

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-27 15:37:54 and read 21096 times.

GEnx airworthiness directive is out:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-09-21/pdf/2012-23443.pdf

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-27 17:33:39 and read 20857 times.

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 136):
Does anybody have information on LOT's first 787?

It's in paint.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-27 17:35:25 and read 20856 times.

Has Air India taken delivery of ZA237 (LN 46, VT-ANI)?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-27 17:47:33 and read 20846 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 140):
Has Air India taken delivery of ZA237 (LN 46, VT-ANI)?

All the necessary paperwork was completed Wednesday evening USA time, and the aircraft has been sitting at the delivery building since Wednesday morning, so I would have expected it to have been delivered Thursday. However, considering that VT-ANI is still in CHS to my knowledge, no way to tell for sure...

[Edited 2012-09-27 17:49:51]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-27 17:52:28 and read 20817 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 141):
All the necessary paperwork was completed Wednesday evening USA time, and the aircraft has been sitting at the delivery building since Wednesday morning, so I would have expected it to have been delivered Thursday. However, considering that VT-ANI is still in CHS to my knowledge, no way to tell for sure...

Is this firm infomration, paperwork in completed and money has changed hands? If so I wouldn't be surprised if it left tomorrrow.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-27 18:32:30 and read 20737 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 142):
Is this firm infomration, paperwork in completed and money has changed hands? If so I wouldn't be surprised if it left tomorrrow.

Paperwork was completed and forwarded to the team at CHS. Money changing hands would not occur until delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PlanesNTrains
Posted 2012-09-27 19:07:27 and read 20673 times.

A United 787 just flew over my house in Auburn, WA heading north into BFI. it had one of the Boeing chase planes right alongside it. Not sure but they might have been going for some sunset-timeframe shots. Regardless, I loved the LED-style lighting at dusk.

-Dave

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-09-28 02:04:23 and read 20319 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 137):
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2 Awaiting first flight

Yesterday, LAN reaffirmed that it will take delivery of CC-BBB on 18OCT12.

CC-BBB at KPAE:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23870098@N04/8011033061/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: fleabyte
Posted 2012-09-28 14:16:07 and read 19449 times.

sure is quiet this afternoon...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: milestones787
Posted 2012-09-28 14:38:23 and read 19388 times.

Haha yeah I was thinking the same thing...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-28 16:21:05 and read 19240 times.

No 787 deliveries today. Still at 22 for the year. Air India (ZA238) is to deliver next week. Let see if Boeing can deliver ANA and Ethiopian by Sunday.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-09-28 16:29:24 and read 19185 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 148):
No 787 deliveries today. Still at 22 for the year. Air India (ZA238) is to deliver next week. Let see if Boeing can deliver ANA and Ethiopian by Sunday.

Does the delivery center typically work weekends?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-28 17:04:04 and read 19096 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 149):
Does the delivery center typically work weekends?

It does.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-28 17:18:18 and read 19108 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 148):
Air India (ZA238) is to deliver next week.

ZA237 will deliver next week.The current schedule for the bird would require arrival in Delhi no later than Tuesday at 23:59, so I'd expect a Monday delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-09-29 04:55:54 and read 18818 times.

There is some activity in Charleston again. ZA238 LN54 is scheduled to fly to Fort Worth in about 2 hours. Finally.

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh...8/history/20120929/1230Z/KCHS/KFTW

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-29 08:57:34 and read 18456 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 152):
There is some activity in Charleston again. ZA238 LN54 is scheduled to fly to Fort Worth in about 2 hours. Finally.

http://nl.flightaware.com/live/fligh.../KFTW

Expect this airplane to be there for the next 10-14 days getting painted then back to CHS for more test flights (probably C-1, C-2) then delivery.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-29 09:17:36 and read 18398 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 151):
ZA237 will deliver next week.The current schedule for the bird would require arrival in Delhi no later than Tuesday at 23:59, so I'd expect a Monday delivery.

Sounds like Jim McNerney will be in CHS on Monday so it jives with celebrating the first delivery from the CHS plant which will be to Air India. So I concur with your assessment of Oct. 1 beingthe delivery date for this airplane.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-29 11:59:46 and read 18137 times.

Can anyone confirm 787 deliveries to ANA and/or Ethiopian today? I think they're close.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-29 20:51:37 and read 17577 times.

First 787 for LOT is out at the Everett Fuel Dock:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...8037854462/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-09-30 01:13:19 and read 17288 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 135):
Looks like we have another first flight for a 788 - LN64/ZA463 for Qatar Airways.

Has QR set a time for when they're gonna take delivery of their craft? Looks like they have 2 that have had their first flight.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 152):
There is some activity in Charleston again. ZA238 LN54 is scheduled to fly to Fort Worth in about 2 hours. Finally.

I'm sorry, where is this one going to be destined to?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 156):
First 787 for LOT is out at the Everett Fuel Dock:

Wow both the HU and the LOT planes look amazing!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-09-30 01:17:07 and read 17289 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 157):
I'm sorry, where is this one going to be destined to?

Its going to AI, if your not sure you can always go here:

http://nyc787.blogspot.com

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ThomasCook
Posted 2012-09-30 04:04:20 and read 17144 times.

In paint, courtesy of LOT;

LOT Facebook

ThomasCook

[Edited 2012-09-30 04:06:11]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-30 07:01:56 and read 16863 times.

VT-ANI's flyout will be 10/1 at 3PM to DEL via FRA. Delivery will be tomorrow morning.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KPDX
Posted 2012-09-30 08:15:46 and read 16698 times.

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 159):

Wow. Looks great. 

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-30 09:14:29 and read 16547 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 160):
VT-ANI's flyout will be 10/1 at 3PM to DEL via FRA. Delivery will be tomorrow morning.

So delivery and fly away will be tomorrow? Did they make contractual delivery already (i.e. paperwork signed between AI and money transfered)?

[Edited 2012-09-30 09:15:24]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-09-30 09:18:21 and read 16543 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 162):
So delivery and fly away will be tomorrow? Did they make contractual delivery already (i.e. paperwork signed between AI and money transfered)?

Both physical delivery and flyout will happen tomorrow. I am not sure about the status of contractual delivery, but I don't believe it has happened yet either. Papers are ready to go though - some signatures and transfer of money is all that would be left if the contractual delivery has not occurred yet.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-30 09:35:57 and read 16481 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 163):

Both physical delivery and flyout will happen tomorrow. I am not sure about the status of contractual delivery, but I don't believe it has happened yet either. Papers are ready to go though - some signatures and transfer of money is all that would be left if the contractual delivery has not occurred yet.

Ok thanks.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-09-30 12:44:34 and read 16161 times.

ZA537 is tentatively scheduled for its B1 flight this afternoon:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE537

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: McG1967
Posted 2012-10-01 09:33:39 and read 15044 times.

Is the paint shop at FTW only taking 1 787 at a time?

Anyone know any spotting locations at FTW?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-01 10:36:49 and read 14831 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 160):
VT-ANI's flyout will be 10/1 at 3PM to DEL via FRA. Delivery will be tomorrow morning.

So far nothing on this delivery or fly away.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-01 11:20:23 and read 14687 times.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 145):
Yesterday, LAN reaffirmed that it will take delivery of CC-BBB on 18OCT12.

CC-BBB at KPAE:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...3061/

On it's first flight today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE537

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-01 11:37:22 and read 14633 times.

2:35 PM here on the East Coast on Oct. 1 and still nothing on Flightaware for any delviery flight for the 1st CHS built 787. What's going on?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-01 14:16:31 and read 14205 times.

Jim McNerney says that VT-ANI's delivery will happen in the "near term."

Not sure how I'm supposed to interpret that..

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ual747-600
Posted 2012-10-01 16:42:14 and read 13905 times.

ANA JA815A is schedule to fly out tonight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9399

UAL747-600

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-01 16:42:55 and read 13914 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 170):
Jim McNerney says that VT-ANI's delivery will happen in the "near term."

Not sure how I'm supposed to interpret that..

I thought your source said that delivery and fly away would be today?

On a slightly different note, Boeing delivered ZA135 (LN 66, JA815A) to ANA yesterday. fly away is tonight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ANA9399

[Edited 2012-10-01 16:47:28]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-01 17:23:32 and read 13838 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 172):
I thought your source said that delivery and fly away would be today?

That was the plan. This morning, I got an email with a quote of Mr. McNerney.

I'm just the messenger...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-01 17:54:47 and read 13719 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 173):
I'm just the messenger...

I completely understand. I've been caught up in that situation as well. Maybe tomorrow.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dkny
Posted 2012-10-01 23:23:57 and read 13212 times.

What is the problem with ET-AOR it was supposed to be delivered last week?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: SCL767
Posted 2012-10-02 01:35:04 and read 13038 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 168):
Quoting SCL767 (Reply 145):
Yesterday, LAN reaffirmed that it will take delivery of CC-BBB on 18OCT12.

CC-BBB at KPAE:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2387009...3061/

On it's first flight today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE537

Here is CC-BBB before the B1 flight:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/8045549029/in/photostream/

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: iahcsr
Posted 2012-10-02 03:48:25 and read 12989 times.

Interesting that UA's next delivery will be 0906, when 0901,2,3, & 5 aren't ready. I would have expected 0905 to be next as it would have needed less rework then the others.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-02 06:16:38 and read 12723 times.

Boeing is now at 26 delivereis overall, 23 for 2012 and 7 for the month of September. Another ANA 787 was flwon away yesterday. I do expect that the Air india and Ethiopian 787s should be delivered very soon.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-10-02 07:11:26 and read 12508 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 170):
Jim McNerney says that VT-ANI's delivery will happen in the "near term."

Not sure how I'm supposed to interpret that..

Here it is:

Quote:

As for the first S.C.-built 787 whose delivery to Air India has been serially postponed, most recently last week, McNerney said “all the folks in Charleston have done their job” and now it’s “just a matter of India getting some regulatory and financing things straightened out.”

Air India took its first two Everett, Wash.-made 787s from the complex near the airport last month but had been seeking bridge financing for the next four of 27 airplanes it has on order.

But I anticipate it to all be done in the next ... actually, few days and weeks,” he said during a brief conversation with reporters after his speech.

Source http://postandcourier.com/article/20...rowth-of-north-charleston-facility

[Edited 2012-10-02 07:12:16]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-02 07:17:26 and read 12483 times.

30% of ET planned 787 fleet is now outside at Everett. 2 787 are on the flightline and one more at the Fuel Dock. The fifth one isin change incorporation.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-10-02 07:34:45 and read 12405 times.

Don't expect a Qatar delivery anytime soon:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...L6E8L2AUK20121002?type=marketsNews

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: frigatebird
Posted 2012-10-02 08:16:14 and read 12265 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181):
Don't expect a Qatar delivery anytime soon:

Shall we replace AI with QR as "The airline that shall not be mentioned again"?   

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dc1030cf
Posted 2012-10-02 08:23:43 and read 12247 times.

Does anybody know why China Southern's B-2727 is still sitting? Someone earlier (two weeks ago) said it had engine problem. Does it take that long to change a GEnx?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-10-02 08:38:35 and read 12214 times.

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 183):
Does anybody know why China Southern's B-2727 is still sitting? Someone earlier (two weeks ago) said it had engine problem. Does it take that long to change a GEnx?

See http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blo...7299334&postID=2379817706392943350 (first post).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-02 09:00:03 and read 12143 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 182):
Shall we replace AI with QR as "The airline that shall not be mentioned again"?

Yes along with U-Turn Al as "The Airline Exec That Shall Not Be Named" or TAETSNBN.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-10-02 09:23:19 and read 12067 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 182):
Shall we replace AI with QR as "The airline that shall not be mentioned again"?

Similar frustration but QR does seem to have a valid reason whereas AI was struggling with issues of its own creation and/or those of its government overseer.

Boeing and GE have put themselves in the target sights of Al Baker's scorn. Say what you will about U-Turn Al, in this instance he has every right to be upset with the delays and not take delivery of a product with a known defect. I'm actually surprised he has taken this long to raise a fuss.

[Edited 2012-10-02 09:24:53]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-10-02 09:43:06 and read 11994 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 186):
Similar frustration but QR does seem to have a valid reason

It's the GE engine issue according to the linked article and AAB has every right to want a fix in place before taking deliveries. He's taken the same stance with his A-380's and their wing issue. On the other hand though, he shouldn't complain too loudly about the delays affecting their schedule because they could take deliveries and do the recommended inspections of the in-service aircraft. I'd have to say his beef is more with GE than Boeing but the aircraft does have"Boeing" on its nameplate so ultimately it's their baby.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-02 09:44:33 and read 11994 times.

Quoting ER757 (Reply 187):
I'd have to say his beef is more with GE than Boeing but the aircraft does have"Boeing" on its nameplate so ultimately it's their baby.

And yet QR (and every other customer) has a separate engine contract with GE (or Rolls-Royce)...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: mham001
Posted 2012-10-02 09:45:58 and read 11996 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 179):
“just a matter of India getting some regulatory and financing things straightened out.”

I thought we were told by a source here, who routinely writes in the definitive, that the financing issues had been worked out. Definitively.

It is becoming clear that that source is as unreliable as the airline he claims to know.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-02 09:57:17 and read 11943 times.

Air India was supposed to have financing for more planes finalized a couple of weeks ago, but I have seen no reports confirming that.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-10-02 10:38:59 and read 11831 times.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 182):
Shall we replace AI with QR as "The airline that shall not be mentioned again"?
Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 186):
Similar frustration but QR does seem to have a valid reason whereas AI was struggling with issues of its own creation and/or those of its government overseer.

Exactly, it's a valid reason. It's not gonna be a long drawn-out problem as AI was.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-10-02 10:42:07 and read 11851 times.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 189):
I thought we were told by a source here, who routinely writes in the definitive, that the financing issues had been worked out. It is becoming clear that that source is as unreliable as the airline he claims to know.

I work in the commercial banking industry and all the black and white statements about AI having its bridge financing "in order" appeared to me as just a darker shade of gray. I even entered a post in a previous part of this thread that highlighted some of the many steps that are necessary between RFP and the actual transfer of cash, but I suspect it went overlooked in the optimism to consider these birds financed and ready for delivery. As such I just piped down.

With that said, I've made posts with great certainty like "simply stretching" a frame or "just hanging a more efficient engine on the wings" as obvious solutions for Boeing vs. Airbus. Of course I was flamed by those "more in the know" for not seeing the whole picture. But, you know, at least there was some technical basis or sound reasoning to their replies that added to the collective knowledge of the thread.

In contrast, your post is just harsh and adds no value to this thread whatsoever. In other words, cut young Aeroblogger some slack and pipe down/get over it/move on! I've asked that your post be deleted (not the first time) and I hope this one is too so there is no record of this incident.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-02 11:20:34 and read 11746 times.

This latest delay for AI might actually take a while to sort out.

All paperwork had been transferred from AI HQ in BOM, signed off by MoCA in DEL. and ready in CHS. After all this was done, the Ministry of Finance has raised some concerns about restructuring plan performance targets which have not been met due to the IPG strike dragged out by AS' MoCA. MoF is holding the transaction until they can meet with MoCA and figure out the next course of action. Note that they haven't even bothered to involve AI management in this.

The bridge financing is secured and ready to go. The question is when MoF will allow AI to proceed.

Quoting mham001 (Reply 189):

I thought we were told by a source here, who routinely writes in the definitive, that the financing issues had been worked out. Definitively.

It is becoming clear that that source is as unreliable as the airline he claims to know.

It is impossible to "know" AI - there are always 50 different agendas being pushed at any given time, plus government interference, making it one of the most unpredictable companies in the world. The only things which are even remotely predictable is that the airline will post a loss, and that the catering on board will be reasonably tasty.

The financing issues were sorted out to the best knowledge of some very high ranking execs when I said they were sorted out. That didn't mean that new problems couldn't come up - it just meant that the existing problems were taken care of.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-02 11:32:44 and read 11700 times.

The QR and AI mess up would be amusing if it didn't involve so much money. I agree with others, it won't be as drawn out as AI's. As I note below, I think QR is trying to time their expansion.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 179):
%u201Call the folks in Charleston have done their job%u201D and now it%u2019s %u201Cjust a matter of India getting some regulatory and financing things straightened out.%u201D

Charleston is rightly proud of the work they've done. I would be frustrated if the first complete product out of a factory couldn't be accepted for reasons out of that factory's control too.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 181):
Don't expect a Qatar delivery anytime soon:

IMHO, this is due more to delays in the new-DOH airport than the 787. QR would want to delay delivery a few months, despite what else they might say in the press. Just my    Then, QR would want to expand quickly. So this is just a short term 'timing issue.' GE just gave QR an excellent excuse...

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 193):
the Ministry of Finance has raised some concerns about restructuring plan performance targets which have not been met due to the IPG strike dragged out by AS' MoCA. MoF is holding the transaction until they can meet with MoCA and figure out the next course of action.

Groan... While I agree AI needs to work on their restructuring, holding up 787 deliveries is going to leave a bad taste in Boeing's mouth...

How does one negotiate a deal when there are parties involved who don't even show up at the table?!? When it involves issues that are outside the scope of the 787 contracts for AI.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-10-02 11:43:57 and read 11662 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 193):
MoF is holding the transaction until they can meet with MoCA and figure out the next course of action.

   How on earth is holding up a 787 delivery going to help AI meet any restructuring targets? Sometimes the GoI boggles the mind.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dc1030cf
Posted 2012-10-02 11:50:49 and read 11641 times.

Thanks for your answer KarelXWB. After reading that blog I kinda have a feeling that things between Boeing and CAAC are not as rosy as it seems.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ER757
Posted 2012-10-02 12:44:00 and read 11483 times.

Quoting dc1030cf (Reply 196):
Thanks for your answer KarelXWB. After reading that blog I kinda have a feeling that things between Boeing and CAAC are not as rosy as it seems.

Yeah - one delayed delivery after another. The well documented AI mess, now QR, CZ, HU....... This poor bird is getting beaten up pretty badly which is a damned shame since it's such a magnificent machine. Boeing's projections for number of deliveries this year were actually starting to look realistic before these new snags popped up.    

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: starrion
Posted 2012-10-03 07:35:34 and read 10474 times.

So what is the certification delay with the Chinese? There are a fair number of frames destined there either on the airfield or in the factory, is this something that will require a state visit to iron out?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-03 07:43:40 and read 10481 times.

According to Strategic Aero, Qatar is to receive it's 1st 787 this week (contractual delviery) followed by a delivery ceremony around Oct. 17th.

http://is.gd/voFLNH

[Edited 2012-10-03 07:50:04]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-10-03 08:11:48 and read 10399 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 199):
According to Strategic Aero, Qatar is to receive it's 1st 787 this week (contractual delviery) followed by a delivery ceremony around Oct. 17th

That seems like a long time between contractual delivery and delivery ceremony. I do not have a subscription to Strategic Aero (and its noted glorious praise of all things Boeing) so I wonder if there was any explanation for this given AAB's recent comments about not getting the 787 soon enough? Might Qatar conduct familiarization flights around the low country of South Carolina during this period much like United did around Washington state?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-03 08:35:45 and read 10347 times.

Quoting starrion (Reply 198):
So what is the certification delay with the Chinese?

A comment on a new story stated CAAC is not happy about something, but they didn't offer any explanation. And I can't find anything on Google News about a dispute.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 200):
That seems like a long time between contractual delivery and delivery ceremony.

Could just be scheduling if QR executives wish to be present at the ceremony.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-03 08:55:01 and read 10425 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 200):
That seems like a long time between contractual delivery and delivery ceremony. I do not have a subscription to Strategic Aero (and its noted glorious praise of all things Boeing) so I wonder if there was any explanation for this given AAB's recent comments about not getting the 787 soon enough? Might Qatar conduct familiarization flights around the low country of South Carolina during this period much like United did around Washington state?


It's due to finishing up work on the Thales IFE system. That's all. Since Boeing has completed its part they can make contractual delivery this week and the foirmal ceremony and fly away in two weeks.

[Edited 2012-10-03 09:04:47]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-10-03 11:46:53 and read 10000 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 202):
It's due to finishing up work on the Thales IFE system. That's all. Since Boeing has completed its part they can make contractual delivery this week and the foirmal ceremony and fly away in two weeks.

Mr. Al Baker is on quote that installation of IFE is going to happen only AFTER title transfer and take another 30 days?

http://www.dohapress.com/portal/inde...get-five-787-dreamliners-this-year

“We have a team that is at the moment in the process of customer walk around, prior to delivery. The first arrival of the aircraft will be one month after the title transfer because our 787 will be the first one installed with connectivity. It will fly to Charleston - a Boeing facility, from Everett, where it will get connectivity installed within 30 days, get certified and become ready for delivery”

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-10-03 11:54:29 and read 9940 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 193):
The bridge financing is secured and ready to go. The question is when MoF will allow AI to proceed.

MoF may be concerned that there's still no lessor in sight to facilitate AI's concept of a sales and lease back transaction, so it remains unlcear how the bridge financing is going to be repaid. Indian taxpayer maybe?

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-03 11:55:56 and read 9983 times.

I believe it's been said that British Airways takes delivery of their planes with only the Economy Cabin installed and then installs the premium cabins in Wales.

As IFE is Customer Furnished Equipment, it sounds logical to me for QR to take delivery of the plane as-is, and then fly it out to a facility (in this case, CHS) to handle the IFE installation.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-03 14:31:57 and read 9568 times.

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 204):
MoF may be concerned that there's still no lessor in sight to facilitate AI's concept of a sales and lease back transaction, so it remains unlcear how the bridge financing is going to be repaid. Indian taxpayer maybe?

The lessor for the first 6 frames has already been lined up a few months ago...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: dkny
Posted 2012-10-03 23:28:26 and read 8617 times.

Looks like ET-AOR was delivered. It is supposed to fly out PAE-ADD anytime now as ET 9202

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ETH9202

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-10-04 06:51:51 and read 8045 times.

I will now be updating this list once a week in an attempt to reduce the length of this thread...

27 Delivered to 6 Airlines
L/N 8 - JA801A - 9/25/2011 - NH #1
L/N 24 - JA802A - 10/13/2011 - NH #2
L/N 31 - JA805A - 12/30/2011 - NH #3
L/N 41 - JA807A - 1/12/2012 - NH #4
L/N 9 - JA804A - 1/13/2012 - NH #5
L/N 23 - JA822J - 3/25/2012 - JL #1
L/N 33 - JA825J - 3/25/2012 - JL #2
L/N 40 - JA806A - 3/29/2012 - NH #6
L/N 42 - JA808A - 4/14/2012 - NH #7
L/N 37 - JA826J - 4/25/2012 - JL #3
L/N 38 - JA827J - 4/25/2012 - JL #4
L/N 47 - JA809A - 6/20/2012 - NH #8
L/N 48 - JA810A - 6/24/2012 - NH #9
L/N 56 - JA812A - 6/30/2012 - NH #10
L/N 51 - JA811A - 7/16/2012 - NH #11
L/N 49 - ET-AOQ - 8/14/2012 - ET #1
L/N 7 - JA803A - 8/20/2012 - NH #12
L/N 68 - CC-BBA - 8/28/2012 - LA #1
L/N 67 - JA813A - 8/30/2012 - NH #13
L/N 70 - JA828J - 9/4/2012 - JL #5
L/N 35 - VT-ANH - 9/6/2012 - AI #1
L/N 29 - VT-AND - 9/18/2012 - AI #2
L/N 53 - N20904 - 9/22/2012 - UA #1
L/N 69 - JA814A - 9/23/2012 - NH #14
L/N 27 - JA824J - 9/24/2012 - JL #6
L/N 66 - JA815A - 9/30/2012 - NH #15
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 10/3/2012 - ET #2

Next Up (Tentative - Subject to Change)
L/N 74 - CC-BBB - 10/18/2012 - LA #2
L/N 75 - ET-AOS - 10/28/2012 - ET #3
L/N 63 - JA816A - 10/xx/2012 - NH #16 Awaiting first flight
L/N 44 - ET-AOP - 10/xx/2012 - ET #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 77 - N26906 - 10/xx/2012 - UA #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 61 - SP-LRA - 11/15/2012 - LO #1 Awaiting first flight

Generally Ready for Delivery but on hold for Political Issues, Financing Problems and/or Negotiation Tactics
L/N 46 - VT-ANI - TBD - AI #3
L/N 54 - VT-ANJ - TBD - AI #4
L/N 60 - VT-ANK - TBD - AI #5 Awaiting first flight
L/N 64 - A7-BCL - TBD- QR #?
L/N 58 - A7-BCB - TBD - QR #?
L/N 57 - A7-BCA - TBD - QR #? Awaiting first flight
L/N 73 - B-2728 - TBD - HU #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 43 - B-2727 - TBD - CZ #1 Awaiting first flight

My general thought is no one knows when these last aircraft will be delivered, not Boeing and probably not AI, HU and CZ... I am guessing QR does know...

[Edited 2012-10-04 06:53:01]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 07:03:32 and read 7997 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 206):
A7-BCB

I'm being told by a source that contractual delivery is to be today on QR's first 787. I'm trying to confirm this.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: United787
Posted 2012-10-04 08:31:43 and read 7750 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 215):
Just curious, does anyone know? Delivery has now taken place but why the last minute delays? NO big deal in the grand scheme of things but just curious.

From what I read on this thread, I wouldn't consider them delays. The target dates that are leaked out are just that, targets. I would imagine that in getting the plane ready for delivery, there are thousands of things to be checked off and the plane needs to be "perfect" before delivery. It could be something as small as a seat that doesn't recline properly or a warning light that needs to be replaced...

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-04 09:44:13 and read 7483 times.

We have another thread for the financing issues of "The Airline that shall not be named."
AI Gets Boeing Loan For (1) 787 (by rotating14 Oct 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)

May I suggest we divert discussion of that airline to that thread (except, actual deliveries). For I'm very interested to discuss the progress of deliveries to the multitude of other 787 customers.



As someone in aviation, it is possible to be tied to one aircraft serial number and working to it and the team will have five (or six) delivery dates! Usually, the most pessimistic are beaten. Sometimes by a long shot. (Some managers shouldn't be so pessimistic.) Often the target date is unreachable. But setting too aggressive a date facilitates the resources (people and parts) to try and make the date.

I worry about the getting the delivery rate up. Not if one airframe slips from month #9 to month #10... Oh that is interesting, but not of concern. It is if the rate doesn't increase (which is immanent), that I have concern.

New topic:
Do we have a *new* estimate on the first 788 to meet target weight? All indications are LN90 will still be heavy.  

Lightsaber

[Edited 2012-10-04 13:10:41 by srbmod]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-04 09:52:14 and read 7475 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 219):
Do we have a *new* estimate on the first 788 to meet target weight? All indications are LN90 will still be heavy.   

Per Aspire Aviation, the current 787-8s are still four tons overweight because they are being built with older specification parts that themselves are overweight. Once all of the "787-9 spec" parts become available for the 787-8, that will bring the 787-8 back to spec (as the 787-9 looks to be at spec on EIS and Boeing feels they can reduce that by another 2% with later builds).

Still, the 8t increase in MTOW more than recovers the 4t OEW overage, so it doesn't really affect the plane's performance from a weight perspective.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: na
Posted 2012-10-04 09:53:30 and read 7459 times.

When will LOT receive their first 787? Still this month? They have a number building, so by springtime they could have 5 of them, completely replacing the old 767s. Lot´s livery is the most boring on the the 787 so far beside JALs austerity scheme.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-10-04 09:58:57 and read 7418 times.

Quoting United787 (Reply 214):
L/N 71 - ET-AOR - 10/3/2012 - ET #2

On my birthday   

[Edited 2012-10-04 13:09:58 by srbmod]

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 09:59:45 and read 7424 times.

Quoting na (Reply 221):
When will LOT receive their first 787? Still this month? They have a number building, so by springtime they could have 5 of them, completely replacing the old 767s. Lot´s livery is the most boring on the the 787 so far beside JALs austerity scheme.

LOT has stated they will receive it arounf Nov. 15th.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: catdaddy63
Posted 2012-10-04 10:02:17 and read 7411 times.

And it appears ZA005 is filed for BFI-PAE-BFI today. Will be nice to see her back in the air again!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE5

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 10:21:47 and read 7349 times.

VT-ANI is now looking to deliver tomorrow, Oct. 5th and fly away on Oct. 6th according to the Post and Courier in Charleston.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-04 11:25:08 and read 7127 times.

JL and ET seem to be fast customers, very few delays. Some delays are because of airlines and some are Boeing related. But JL and ET seem to be eager to get their frames fast, no long delays when looking at their frames.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: WarpSpeed
Posted 2012-10-04 11:29:04 and read 7121 times.

In other news, the WSJ is reporting that the 747-8 GEnx engine failure in Shanghai was caused by an error in the assembly of the lower pressure turbine and the company plans a one-time, hour-long round of inspections on the engine fleet. Not sure if this covers 787's with GEnx's but at least the problem is identified and the risk can be retired in a straight forward way.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-04 11:42:57 and read 7040 times.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 229):
the WSJ is reporting that the 747-8 GEnx engine failure in Shanghai was caused by an error in the assembly of the lower pressure turbine and the company plans a one-time, hour-long round of inspections on the engine fleet.

How can anything on an engine be inspected in just an hour? Ok, fuel and oil filters are quick. Same with fuel injector replacement and a few other repairs. But I question performing this inspection in one hour (per engine) unless the team inspecting is very skilled at the operations.

Sorry for the rant... but that inspection time does not match my estimates unless GE did an excellent job of placing the boroscope ports and training field mechanics ahead of time...

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: caetravlr
Posted 2012-10-04 12:10:18 and read 6900 times.

Quoting na (Reply 221):
Lot´s livery is the most boring on the the 787 so far beside JALs austerity scheme.

If you live a few miles from the CHS flightline and ride by it on occasion, the AI livery is by far the most boring one ever and the LOT livery would be a welcome change! I am hoping to see ANYTHING other than AI here soon!

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Rheinbote
Posted 2012-10-04 13:00:19 and read 6699 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 206):
The lessor for the first 6 frames has already been lined up a few months ago...

I'll believe it when I see it.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-04 13:33:59 and read 6599 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 212):
Once all of the "787-9 spec" parts become available for the 787-8, that will bring the 787-8 back to spec (as the 787-9 looks to be at spec on EIS and Boeing feels they can reduce that by another 2% with later builds).

Excellent! Do we have a target line number?   

Quoting Rheinbote (Reply 222):
Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 206):
The lessor for the first 6 frames has already been lined up a few months ago...

I'll believe it when I see it.

If that was true, why do we have this thread:
AI Gets Boeing Loan For (1) 787 (by rotating14 Oct 4 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The airline that shall not be named has done it to itself.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-04 13:45:09 and read 6549 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 223):
Excellent! Do we have a target line number?    

Probably around the time the first 787-9 starts assembly (which I believe is still pencilled in as LN129).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 13:49:33 and read 6539 times.

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 221):
If you live a few miles from the CHS flightline and ride by it on occasion, the AI livery is by far the most boring one ever and the LOT livery would be a welcome change! I am hoping to see ANYTHING other than AI here soon!

CHS will be assemlbing 87s for Hainan and China Southern.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-04 14:07:15 and read 6457 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 220):
How can anything on an engine be inspected in just an hour? Ok, fuel and oil filters are quick. Same with fuel injector replacement and a few other repairs. But I question performing this inspection in one hour (per engine) unless the team inspecting is very skilled at the operations.

Well it is just one part in the LPT that needs to be checked, maybe it is easy to probe? I am sure GE knows what they are doing.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-04 14:16:13 and read 6516 times.

Strange that it is still 4t over target, no improvement since LN20.. Did he not say 2t (ln66+)in a post earlier in the summer? He also talks about the side of body mod, people here say it was fixed long ago with a redesigned wingbox, as the SOB fix adds about 800 pounds of weight.

Even with the extra fat ANA saw a 21% improvement.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 15:12:29 and read 6354 times.

Quoting sweair (Reply 228):
Strange that it is still 4t over target, no improvement since LN20.. Did he not say 2t (ln66+)in a post earlier in the summer? He also talks about the side of body mod, people here say it was fixed long ago with a redesigned wingbox, as the SOB fix adds about 800 pounds of weight.

Even with the extra fat ANA saw a 21% improvement.

That's not the issue. The issue is the availability of the weight optimized parts for he 787-8 vs. availibility for the 787-9. LAter -8 blocks will have these weight optimized parts thus bringing down their total weight close to (if not exceeding) their original contractual weight of the airplane.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: caetravlr
Posted 2012-10-04 15:35:18 and read 6271 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 225):
CHS will be assemlbing 87s for Hainan and China Southern.

Yep, I saw that on your spreadsheet, but for some reason had the impression that it would be a few weeks before I would see those on the flight line in all their glory.   However, looking at it today, that might not be quite as far away as I thought. I also like what was said somewhere up in the thread about the QR plane coming here for IFE installation (am I remembering that correctly?), I would love to see that one in person.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: Humanitarian
Posted 2012-10-04 15:41:18 and read 6271 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 229):
I'm sure GE knows. Now do the line mechanics in the field?

If it is a one time inspection I would not be surprised if GE sends its own staff to do the inspection and thus avoid time consuming training issues.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-04 16:00:57 and read 6199 times.

AI and MoF have not been able to sort out their issues, so AI has taken a bridge loan from Boeing for VT-ANI. Delivery of that frame will hopefully happen soon (you can never know where the next delay is coming from).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 16:24:29 and read 6158 times.

Quoting caetravlr (Reply 231):
Yep, I saw that on your spreadsheet, but for some reason had the impression that it would be a few weeks before I would see those on the flight line in all their glory. However, looking at it today, that might not be quite as far away as I thought. I also like what was said somewhere up in the thread about the QR plane coming here for IFE installation (am I remembering that correctly?), I would love to see that one in person.

A7-BCB may o there to finish IFE istallation but with Qatar who knows what's happening.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: NYC777
Posted 2012-10-04 16:29:47 and read 6152 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 233):
AI and MoF have not been able to sort out their issues, so AI has taken a bridge loan from Boeing for VT-ANI. Delivery of that frame will hopefully happen soon (you can never know where the next delay is coming from).

I thought that AI wasn't involved and it was an issue between different Indian ministries. Boeing needs to claim compensation from Air India for missed delivery dates where Boeign is ready to deliver but AI drops the ball. I'd say $37mm per palne should suffice (that $1bn on the 27 airplanes that they ordered).

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-10-04 17:36:37 and read 5994 times.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 235):

I thought that AI wasn't involved and it was an issue between different Indian ministries.

Correct. It's a matter between MoF and MoCA, with MoCA in theory representing AI. Since MoCA has not been able to resolve the issue yet, AI has pursued other options.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: kanban
Posted 2012-10-04 20:52:37 and read 5667 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 236):
Correct. It's a matter between MoF and MoCA, with MoCA in theory representing AI. Since MoCA has not been able to resolve the issue yet, AI has pursued other options.


again it's time to limit the airline that shall not be named to the thread devoted to the country whose airlines shall not be named, returning this thread to things that are actually happening in production and delivery.. Like wise we should limit the manager who shall not be named to his own rant thread.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-05 03:40:27 and read 5287 times.

I wonder have many more deliveries we could have seen without all these wacko customers, if all customers were like ET and JAL.. ET will probably get one more frame before November, their next frame(LN75) flew very shortly after roll out, must be a record for the otherwise slow pre flight history of the 787 program so far.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: ETinCaribe
Posted 2012-10-05 06:42:19 and read 4989 times.

Quoting dkny (Reply 175):
What is the problem with ET-AOR it was supposed to be delivered last week?

So it now appears we know the reason for the delay in delivery: a faulty GE-nX engine that had to be replaced, according to this news report: http://www.ethiosports.com/2012/10/0...laces-defective-dreamliner-engine/

Any truth to it? In the large scheme of things, nothing big in terms of delays, just one extra week, who is counting anyways.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 214):
On my birthday   

Happy Bday and hope you liked the gift  
Quoting sweair (Reply 236):

I wonder have many more deliveries we could have seen without all these wacko customers, if all customers were like ET and JAL..

ET is very happy. Sure, the delays have really hurt them but they don't negotiate in public which is a good thing in my book. Plus, they are not QR or some of the other large operators so cannot act like they own the world. I think this works for everyone involved. I like the approach.

Topic: RE: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 9
Username: wilco737
Posted 2012-10-05 06:45:02 and read 5021 times.

Part 10 now available:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 10 (by wilco737 Oct 5 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Continue discussion there.

Part 9 will be locked.

Thanks.

wilco737
  


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