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Topic: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-26 08:15:46 and read 8909 times.

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4M MIA-EZE OCT 1.0>2 NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

9H MIA-CUR OCT 1.0>1.4 NOV 1.0>1.4 DEC 1.0>1.5 JAN 1.0>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.4 MAR 1.0>1.4 APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.4
9K STT-EIS NOV 1.0>0.4 DEC 0.5>0

AA DFW-BJX DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4
AA DFW-CUU DEC 2>1.8
AA DFW-CZM DEC 1.0>1.2
AA DFW-FSD DEC 1.8>3
AA DFW-GRK DEC 10>9
AA DFW-GRR FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
AA DFW-MBJ DEC 0.7>0.9
*AA DFW-MLM APR 1.0>0.0 MAY 1.0>0
AA DFW-SPS DEC 4>3
AA DFW-VER DEC 1.0>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.2
Reductions in LAX, related to the contracting our of Eagle?
AA LAX-ELP JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
AA LAX-FAT JAN 5>4 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3 APR 5>3 MAY 5>3
AA LAX-SAF JAN 1.0>0.6
AA LAX-SAN JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9 APR 10>9 MAY 10>9
AA LAX-SJC JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
AA LAX-SLC DEC 3>4
AA MIA-LIR DEC 2>1.9
AA ORD-BNA DEC 7>8
AA ORD-CMH DEC 9>8
AA ORD-DFW DEC 16>15
AA ORD-LAX DEC 9>8
AA SJU-DOM DEC 1.4>1.6 JAN 1.0>1.2

New date for BER it appears...
AB JFK-BER MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 1.0>0
AB JFK-TXL MAR 0.2>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>1.0
AB LAS-DUS MAY 0>0.2
AB LAX-BER MAY 0.3>0
AB LAX-TXL MAY 0>0.3
AB MIA-BER MAR 0.2>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.4>0
AB MIA-TXL MAR 0.2>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4
AB ORD-BER MAR 0.1>0 APR 0.4>0 MAY 0.7>0
AB ORD-TXL MAR 0>0.1 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.7

AC SAN-YVR OCT 1.0>0.8

AS PDX-BIL MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
AS SEA-DFW MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
AS SEA-LAS MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9
AS SEA-SAN MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8

*B6 BOS-CHS MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
*B6 JFK-CHS MAR 0>2 APR 0>2

BA JFK-LCY DEC 1.5>1.2 JAN 1.6>1.5 MAR 1.5>1.2
BB STT-SJU DEC 4>3
BB STX-SJU OCT 4>3

*BW JFK-GEO NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.2

DL ABQ-MSP JAN 1.1>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.5
DL ANC-MSP JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>2
DL ATL-AVL MAR 8>7
DL ATL-BTR JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 9>7 APR 9>8 MAY 9>8
DL ATL-CHS JAN 10>9
DL ATL-CLT JAN 11>10
DL ATL-COU NOV 3>1.8 JAN 2>3 FEB 2.0>3
DL ATL-ECP JAN 7>6
DL ATL-EWR MAR 10>11 APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
DL ATL-GPT JAN 6>5
DL ATL-HSV JAN 7>8
DL ATL-IAD JAN 8>7
DL ATL-IAH JAN 8>7
DL ATL-JAX JAN 12>11
DL ATL-LIT JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
DL ATL-MGM JAN 8>7
DL ATL-PNS JAN 8>7
DL ATL-SHV JAN 6>5
DL ATL-TLH JAN 9>8
DL AZO-MSP JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.8>0
DL BHM-MSP JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
DL BNA-MSP JAN 5>4
DL BOS-CMH JAN 3>1.6
DL BOS-YYZ DEC 3>1.9
DL CVG-BNA JAN 3>1.5
DL CVG-OMA JAN 0.7>0.0 FEB 0.7>0
DL CVG-YYZ DEC 1.3>1.4
DL DEN-MSP JAN 6>5
DL DTW-AVL JAN 0.8>0.1 FEB 0.9>0.4
DL DTW-AVP JAN 3>1.8
DL DTW-BGM MAR 1.8>3
DL DTW-BUF MAR 7>8 MAY 7>8
DL DTW-BWI JAN 6>5
DL DTW-CMH JAN 7>5 FEB 7>6
*DL DTW-DLH JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.5>1.0 APR 1.8>1.0 MAY 1.9>1.0
DL DTW-EWR MAY 6>7
DL DTW-MLI JAN 4>3
DL DTW-PIT JAN 5>6
DL DTW-ROA JAN 1.5>0.9
DL DTW-SAV JAN 0.9>0.1 FEB 0.8>0.3
DL DTW-SCE JAN 3>1.8
*DL DTW-YQB NOV 1.8>0 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
DL FCA-MSP DEC 1.0>0.7
DL FWA-MSP JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
*DL JFK-BDL DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
DL JFK-BUF APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL JFK-BWI MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
DL JFK-CMH DEC 1.5>1.0
*DL JFK-GSO DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
DL JFK-SFO MAR 6>5 APR 6>5
DL JFK-YQB MAY 0>2
*DL JFK-YYZ NOV 4>3 DEC 3>1.9 JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 4>1.7 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3
DL LEX-MSP JAN 0.9>0 FEB 1.0>0.5
Wow, that's a lot of service
*DL LGA-BNA JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
DL LGA-JAX NOV 3>4
DL LGA-RSW MAY 4>3
DL LGA-YHZ NOV 1.7>1.3 JAN 1.9>1.0 FEB 2.0>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.3
DL LGA-YUL NOV 5>4
Temporary as of now
*DL MEM-SGF JAN 0.8>0.0 FEB 0.9>0
DL MIA-ATL JAN 10>11 FEB 10>11 MAR 10>11 APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
DL MSP-ANC JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>2
DL MSP-OMA JAN 7>6
DL MSP-YVR APR 1.2>2
*DL SLC-ANC JAN 0.6>0.0 FEB 0.7>0
DL SLC-DEN JAN 8>7
DL SLC-YYC DEC 1.8>1.6

F9 COS-LAX JAN 0.9>0.5

FL AUS-CUN MAR 0.5>0.6
FL MDW-CUN MAR 2>1.9

G4 AZA-FAR APR 1.1>0.8
G4 AZA-MOT APR 0.6>0.4
G4 BGR-SFB APR 1.1>0.7 MAY 1.1>0.7
G4 FAR-SFB APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 FLL-PBG MAR 1.3>0.8 APR 1.3>0.5 MAY 1.3>0.6
G4 FSD-SFB APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3
G4 GRI-LAS APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 PBG-PIE MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.3 MAY 0.6>0.3
G4 PBG-SFB APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.7
G4 RFD-SFB APR 0.4>1.1 MAY 0.5>1.1

HA HNL-ITO APR 14>15 MAY 14>15
HA HNL-OGG MAR 25>29 APR 24>28 MAY 24>29
HA ITO-HNL APR 14>15 MAY 14>15
HA ITO-OGG MAR 1.3>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
HA KOA-OGG MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
HA LIH-HNL MAR 17>18 APR 17>18 MAY 17>18
HA LIH-OGG MAR 1.3>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
HA OGG-HNL MAR 26>29 APR 25>28 MAY 25>29
HA OGG-ITO MAR 1.3>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
HA OGG-KOA MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2
HA OGG-LIH MAR 0.6>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2

KE GUM-PUS APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3
KE SEA-ICN APR 1.0>0.7 MAY 1.0>0.8

LA JFK-SCL OCT 1.0>2 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
LA MHC-PMC DEC 0.7>0.6 JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 1.0>0.6
LA SFO-LIM OCT 0.8>1.5

LH ORD-DUS FEB 0.6>0.4

NK FLL-BQN NOV 0.6>0.4 DEC 0.5>0.4 JAN 0.6>0.5 FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4

OR MIA-AMS NOV 0>0.3 DEC 0>0.3 JAN 0>0.3 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3 APR 0>0.3
OZ LAS-LAX JAN 0.9>0
OZ SPN-ICN APR 1.6>2 MAY 1.5>2

PK JFK-LHE NOV 0.3>0.4 DEC 0.3>0.4 JAN 0.3>0.5 FEB 0.3>0.4 MAR 0.3>0.4

QF HNL-MEL JAN 0.2>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.1>0

TS MCO-YUL MAR 0.7>0.9 APR 0.7>0.8

Overall a nice increase for CLE
UA CLE-ALB FEB 1.9>3 MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4
*UA CLE-BNA DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>1.7 FEB 0>1.7 MAR 0>1.7 APR 0>1.7 MAY 0>1.7
UA CLE-BOS MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
UA CLE-BUF MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA CLE-CMH MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA CLE-DAY JAN 3>1.8
UA CLE-FNT JAN 3>4
*UA CLE-GRB DEC 1.5>0.9 JAN 1.1>0 FEB 1.5>0 MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0
UA CLE-IND FEB 4>5 MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5
*UA CLE-OKC MAR 0>0.8 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.9
UA CLE-PVD FEB 3>1.6
UA CLE-YYZ NOV 4>3
F9 response? I don't think F9 has loaded their announced CLE-DEN
**UA DEN-CLE MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4
UA DEN-OGG JAN 1.0>0.8 FEB 1.0>0.9
UA EWR-ALB JAN 5>4
UA EWR-AUS JAN 3>1.5
UA EWR-AVL JAN 1.0>0.1 FEB 1.0>0
UA EWR-AVP JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3
UA EWR-BNA JAN 5>4
UA EWR-CLT JAN 6>5
UA EWR-DAY JAN 4>3
UA EWR-DTW JAN 6>5
UA EWR-FLL JAN 7>6
UA EWR-GSO JAN 4>3
UA EWR-MCI JAN 5>4
UA EWR-PHL JAN 4>3
UA EWR-PHX JAN 4>3
UA EWR-ROC JAN 5>4
UA EWR-SAV JAN 3>1.1 FEB 3>1.5
UA EWR-SEA JAN 5>2 FEB 5>1.9
UA EWR-XNA JAN 1.4>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8
UA EWR-YHZ FEB 3>4
UA EWR-YQB JAN 4>3
UA FLL-BIM OCT 0.8>0
*UA GUM-OKA NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 JAN 0.3>0 FEB 0.3>0 MAR 0.3>0 APR 0.3>0 MAY 0.3>0
*UA IAD-ABE FEB 4>1.3 MAR 4>0 APR 4>0 MAY 4>0
UA IAD-FLL MAY 2>1.2
UA IAH-EWR JAN 11>10
UA IAH-SDF JAN 3>1.7
UA LAX-PIT JAN 1.0>0.7
UA ORD-ATW JAN 6>4
UA ORD-AUS JAN 4>3
UA ORD-BOS JAN 9>8
UA ORD-BUF JAN 6>4 FEB 6>5
UA ORD-BWI JAN 6>4 FEB 6>5
UA ORD-CID JAN 6>5
UA ORD-CWA JAN 3>2
UA ORD-GSO JAN 5>4 FEB 5>4
UA ORD-IAH JAN 12>13
UA ORD-ICT JAN 5>4
UA ORD-IND JAN 10>9
UA ORD-LAN JAN 4>3
UA ORD-LAX JAN 12>10 FEB 12>11
UA ORD-LNK JAN 4>3
UA ORD-MDT JAN 6>3 FEB 6>5
UA ORD-MSN JAN 8>7
UA ORD-Posted 2012-09-26 08:16:30 and read 8988 times.

UA ORD-MSP JAN 12>10 FEB 12>11
*UA ORD-MTY DEC 0>0.4 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
UA ORD-OKC JAN 5>4
UA ORD-ORF JAN 5>4
UA ORD-PDX JAN 4>3
UA ORD-PHL JAN 7>6
UA ORD-PWM JAN 3>1.9
UA ORD-RIC JAN 6>5
UA ORD-ROA JAN 3>1.9
UA ORD-ROC JAN 6>5
UA ORD-SAN JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
UA ORD-SBN JAN 6>5
UA ORD-SYR JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
UA ORD-TUL JAN 5>4
UA ORD-TYS JAN 5>3 FEB 5>4
UA ORD-XNA JAN 3>1.5
UA ORD-YUL JAN 5>4
UA ORD-YWG JAN 5>4
UA ORD-YYZ JAN 7>6
UA SFO-CLE FEB 1.4>1.0
UA SFO-COS JAN 1.0>0.7
*UA SFO-IDA NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
UA SFO-KOA JAN 2>1.8 FEB 2>1.9
UA SFO-MSY JAN 1.0>0.7
UA SFO-ORD JAN 15>13 FEB 15>14
UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.8>0.6
UA SFO-TUS NOV 1.2>2 DEC 1.5>3

Shortening the season? With little notice...
UP BWI-FPO OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 MAY 0.1>0
UP RDU-FPO OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 MAY 0.1>0
UP RIC-FPO OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 MAY 0.1>0
UP SDF-FPO OCT 0.3>0 NOV 0.3>0 DEC 0.3>0 MAY 0.1>0

US PHL-BDA JAN 0.7>0.4 FEB 0.7>0.5
US PHX-HNL JAN 3>2.0 MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.7>1.6 MAY 1.7>3
US PHX-HNL MAR 1.7>3
US PHX-KOA FEB 1.0>1.1 MAR 1.0>1.1
US PHX-LIH JAN 0.9>0.7 MAR 0.9>1.0 APR 0.8>1.0 MAY 0.9>1.0
US PHX-OGG JAN 1.2>1.4 FEB 1.0>1.5 MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>1.2 MAY 1.0>1.3
US PHX-OGG MAR 1.0>1.7

WP HNL-LNY NOV 5>4
WP HNL-OGG NOV 3>2
WP KOA-OGG NOV 1.6>1.0
WP LIH-OGG NOV 1.6>1.0
WP LNY-HNL NOV 6>5
WP OGG-HNL NOV 1.6>1.0
WP OGG-KOA NOV 1.6>1.0
WP OGG-LIH NOV 3>2

XL MIA-UIO OCT 1.0>2

Y4 OAK-GDL DEC 1.7>2 JAN 1.7>2 FEB 1.7>2 MAR 1.7>2 APR 1.7>2 MAY 1.7>2
*Y4 OAK-MEX DEC 0.4>0.1 JAN 0.5>0 FEB 0.6>0 MAR 0.6>0 APR 0.6>0 MAY 0.5>0
Y4 SAN-GDL DEC 0.4>0.3

ZK CYS-WRL DEC 0>0.7 JAN 0>0.7 FEB 0>0.7 MAR 0>0.7 APR 0>0.7 MAY 0>0.7
*ZK DEN-LAR NOV 3>0.3 DEC 3>0 JAN 3>0 FEB 3>0 MAR 3>0 APR 3>0 MAY 3>0
ZK LAR-WRL NOV 1.7>0.2 DEC 1.7>0 JAN 1.7>0 FEB 1.7>0 MAR 1.7>0 APR 1.7>0 MAY 1.7>0
ZK RIW-WRL NOV 0>0.9 DEC 0>1.0 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-09-26 08:31:46 and read 8805 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-BNA JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

In response to WN starting the route...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 response? I don't think F9 has loaded their announced CLE-DEN
**UA DEN-CLE MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4

F9 schedule is out, this is in response to F9.

Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*Y4 OAK-MEX

Hmm... Could this be FL is planning on adding the route?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: azstar
Posted 2012-09-26 08:38:05 and read 8714 times.

Thanks, once again, to enilria for posting this information.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: fun2fly
Posted 2012-09-26 08:58:51 and read 8538 times.

Quoting azstar (Reply 3):
Thanks, once again, to enilria for posting this information.

  

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Overall a nice increase for CLE

I guess that will slow everyone down on the CLE closure bandwagon. Nice add of 5-6 flights per day in a slower season.

Interesting to see the 4x daily DEN>CLE. It was that when UA and CO were separate and it took a nudge from Frontier to get back to that level.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA LAX-PIT JAN 1.0>0.7

Hard to believe this route is struggling w/the only direct LAX connnection on a *A carrier.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA EWR-SEA JAN 5>2 FEB 5>1.9

UA's just not that dominant in SEA anymore?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-09-26 09:01:00 and read 8534 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-ELP JAN 2>1.2 FEB 2>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0
AA LAX-FAT JAN 5>4 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3 APR 5>3 MAY 5>3
AA LAX-SAF JAN 1.0>0.6
AA LAX-SAN JAN 10>9 FEB 10>9 MAR 10>9 APR 10>9 MAY 10>9
AA LAX-SJC JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5

Interesting AA said all the LAX AE flying would remain the same following Skywest deal.

Obviously had a change in heart and planning to trim a bit (and save $$ I presume).

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-09-26 09:03:37 and read 8514 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):

Hmm... Could this be FL is planning on adding the route?

I don't think Y4 even remembers they have a 'codeshare' with WN/FL.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-09-26 09:35:11 and read 8291 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I don't think Y4 even remembers they have a 'codeshare' with WN/FL.

They have greatly expanded the partnership recently, I bet they know and are banking on it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2012-09-26 09:41:43 and read 8254 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Overall a nice increase for CLE

The death of CLE will apparently be postponed for still another season. Good for CLE, although I continue to believe the longer-term outcome depends a lot on how many 50-seaters remain in the UA fleet and somewhat on the new pilot contract.

UA and the union are being exceptionally quiet about the scope provisions of the tentative agreement. I guess we should hear more by mid-October.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: STT757
Posted 2012-09-26 09:47:01 and read 8196 times.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 4):
UA's just not that dominant in SEA anymore?

It's a temporary reduction, it returns to 5x daily in March.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-26 10:02:12 and read 8099 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-BNA JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

In response to WN starting the route...

Ahhhhh...you are probably right.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 response? I don't think F9 has loaded their announced CLE-DEN
**UA DEN-CLE MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4

F9 schedule is out, this is in response to F9.

No doubt

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*Y4 OAK-MEX

Hmm... Could this be FL is planning on adding the route?

FL might add it, but I'd like to see this code share before they throw more logs on the fire.

Quoting azstar (Reply 3):
Thanks, once again, to enilria for posting this information.
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 4):
  

 
Quoting fun2fly (Reply 4):
I guess that will slow everyone down on the CLE closure bandwagon. Nice add of 5-6 flights per day in a slower season.
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8):
The death of CLE will apparently be postponed for still another season.

I think IAH is the new Black Sheep since their HOU meltdown.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):
Interesting AA said all the LAX AE flying would remain the same following Skywest deal.

I rarely believe any such promises. The promise that US/AA wouldn't shrink is also a huge lie.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I don't think Y4 even remembers they have a 'codeshare' with WN/FL.

A code share meaning they both have a code that they can use for their own flights only? LOL

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-09-26 10:19:24 and read 8004 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-FAT JAN 5>4 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3 APR 5>3 MAY 5>3
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

Interesting AA said all the LAX AE flying would remain the same following Skywest deal.

Obviously had a change in heart and planning to trim a bit (and save $$ I presume).

At Fresno flights will shift from the current 2 CR7s/3 ERDs down to just 3 OO CRJs.

Besides available seats, the earliest/latest flight schedules are disappearing impacting AA connection schedules for local travel.

Currently the first Eagle flight is a CR7 that leaves FAT at 5:55AM allowing for early connections out of LAX. That will be replaced by a first flight south on OO leaving FAT at 8AM.

Likewise, the last Eagle inbound to FAT currently leaving LAX at 9:45pm will be replaced by an OO flight leaving LAX at 8PM. The current last flight time has allowed for connections using end-of-business day flights out of the east coast. Also helps with passengers on delayed flights by providing a late alternative.

I know some business travellers will not be happy losing those earlier/later flights.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: Mexicana757
Posted 2012-09-26 10:26:14 and read 7956 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
*Y4 OAK-MEX

Hmm... Could this be FL is planning on adding the route?

This route is a seasonal route for Volaris. Only operates during high season and holidays. But knowing Y4 next week we may have something different. You can also see OAK-MEX flying that wont be happening is shifting over to OAK-GDL.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 7):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 6):
I don't think Y4 even remembers they have a 'codeshare' with WN/FL.

They have greatly expanded the partnership recently, I bet they know and are banking on it.

The partnership seems to me has remained as it is. By adding flights into current WN focus cities Y4 is trying to capture more of the former MX routes which no one had decided to jump on from MEX.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-26 11:03:20 and read 7786 times.

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
At Fresno flights will shift from the current 2 CR7s/3 ERDs down to just 3 OO CRJs.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
I know some business travellers will not be happy losing those earlier/later flights.

I wonder if the change in LAX signals anything in terms of AA's commitment to the "hub" there. This reduction will cede ground to UA/DL, although it's something they can clawback down the road. Perhaps it is simply the ramp-up of the new cost plus agreement causing it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: Alias1024
Posted 2012-09-26 11:10:13 and read 7727 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ABQ-MSP JAN 1.1>0.1 FEB 1.0>0.5

Used to be a double daily with a third roundtrip in the summer back when it was NW. DL has really shrunk in ABQ from what they once had, of course closing the DFW hub and decimating CVG have certainly played a part in that.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2012-09-26 11:18:24 and read 7684 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
*DL LGA-BNA JAN 4>5 FEB 4>5 MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5

In response to WN starting the route...

Its going to be interesting to watch this one after WN inaugurates non-stop service effective Jan 6, 2013. DL on a E70, AA on a CR7 or a WN on a 73X. Hard decision.

WN also announced BNA-EWR which if memory serves me is to begin in mid to late March 2013.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-09-26 11:22:51 and read 7668 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-ANC JAN 0.6>0.0 FEB 0.7>0

WOW. Has this route has ever gone on a short vacation period? i know its just a seasonal adjustment when demand is low but they must be willing to lean on alaska for coverage out west to ANC in the low season? ANC flights always seem to fill from SLC maybe these two months were really just not worth it when they can have Alaska cover them? I wouldnt be surprised if we see a few seats added to SLC-SEA to move the people booked. I wonder why they could just run it with a 737-700 or 319 in the low season?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: mah4546
Posted 2012-09-26 11:29:21 and read 7643 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 13):
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
At Fresno flights will shift from the current 2 CR7s/3 ERDs down to just 3 OO CRJs.
Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 11):
I know some business travellers will not be happy losing those earlier/later flights.

I wonder if the change in LAX signals anything in terms of AA's commitment to the "hub" there. This reduction will cede ground to UA/DL, although it's something they can clawback down the road. Perhaps it is simply the ramp-up of the new cost plus agreement causing it.

Schedules should be readjusted in a short while. No plans for any major draw down nor a drawn away commitment form it's LAX hub (no quotation marks), simply seeing some scheduling snafus during the transition, as we saw with the MIA transition from ATR to ERJs that even removed MIAEYW completely from booking systems for a while.

[Edited 2012-09-26 11:31:32]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-09-26 12:00:03 and read 7515 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 7):

They have greatly expanded the partnership recently, I bet they know and are banking on it.
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 12):

The partnership seems to me has remained as it is. By adding flights into current WN focus cities Y4 is trying to capture more of the former MX routes which no one had decided to jump on from MEX.

Have you ever tried to book a WN/Y4 combination ticket? If you're lucky enough to create an itinerary involving both carriers that prices, it's either horribly uncompetitive versus other single carriers, 2 stops and 10+ hours, or so cheap it couldn't possibly be worth any carrier's time. WN can barely get its FL cities online, let alone Y4. It's pretty much a codeshare in name only; even WS hightailed it out of there as soon as possible.

Quoting enilria (Reply 10):

A code share meaning they both have a code that they can use for their own flights only? LOL

  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-09-26 12:15:13 and read 7434 times.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):
WOW. Has this route has ever gone on a short vacation period? i know its just a seasonal adjustment when demand is low but they must be willing to lean on alaska for coverage out west to ANC in the low season?

DL's shifting the capacity (and then some) to MSP. It makes sense -- MSP offers greater connectivity and more frequent flights to the core DL network. Connecting in SLC is advantageous only for a handful of small, western markets (the larger markets have direct service and aren't pumping any significant traffic through SLC). Slapping the DL code on AS flights will toss a few bucks toward DL's way, but as the two don't share revenues, DL would prefer to keep its passengers on DL metal.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-09-26 14:01:55 and read 7033 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 18):
WN can barely get its FL cities online

They have been doing a great job converting FL cities to WN, it has taken a while but they have been doing it very well. This part of your comment is just false.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-09-26 14:05:37 and read 7000 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17):
Schedules should be readjusted in a short while. No plans for any major draw down nor a drawn away commitment form it's LAX hub (no quotation marks), simply seeing some scheduling snafus during the transition, as we saw with the MIA transition from ATR to ERJs that even removed MIAEYW completely from booking systems for a while.

Hopefully that is the case. But for now there is grumbling about the schedule as loaded from a few locals I know as well as over at the FT forum.

[Edited 2012-09-26 14:06:08]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-09-26 14:07:15 and read 6980 times.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 19):
Slapping the DL code on AS flights will toss a few bucks toward DL's way, but as the two don't share revenues, DL would prefer to keep its passengers on DL metal.

Might be a good time for AS to begin service to SLC by starting SLC-ANC.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-09-26 14:44:41 and read 6758 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
F9 schedule is out, this is in response to F9.

Is it? Oh, well, maybe.

I would have hoped United was more intelligent than that and was responding to perceived or potential demand

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-09-26 15:17:18 and read 6569 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Might be a good time for AS to begin service to SLC by starting SLC-ANC.

Why, because DL isn't flying it during about a 50 day period during the slowest travel period of the year?

DL is going to be right back in there with a daily 757 in March.

Note that as it is, DL flies ANC-SLC as a red-eye.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-26 16:08:16 and read 6477 times.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 15):
Its going to be interesting to watch this one after WN inaugurates non-stop service effective Jan 6, 2013. DL on a E70, AA on a CR7 or a WN on a 73X. Hard decision.

WN also announced BNA-EWR which if memory serves me is to begin in mid to late March 2013.

I'd say about 1/3rd of the announced capacity will go away. Don't forget UA to EWR.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):

WOW. Has this route has ever gone on a short vacation period? i know its just a seasonal adjustment

It looks like to me that they moved the flight to MSP. That's more worrisome.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):

Might be a good time for AS to begin service to SLC by starting SLC-ANC.

If it is permanent then yes, although WN wrecks the yields on SEA.

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):
Quoting airliner371 (Reply 2):
F9 schedule is out, this is in response to F9.

Is it? Oh, well, maybe.

I would have hoped United was more intelligent than that and was responding to perceived or potential demand

Is CLE-DEN actually for sale or did they just talk about it?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: Atrude777
Posted 2012-09-26 16:13:29 and read 6427 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 23):

Is it? Oh, well, maybe.
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):

Is CLE-DEN actually for sale or did they just talk about it?

It's for sale, just go to Frontier's Website and look for DEN-CLE begining January 9th.

I show it for sale as Flight 524 DEN-CLE 4:30pm-9:20pm and return as Flight 523 CLE-DEN 5:50pm-7:20pm.

Alex

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-09-26 16:40:53 and read 6370 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 20):
They have been doing a great job converting FL cities to WN, it has taken a while but they have been doing it very well. This part of your comment is just false.

WN has done a great job selling WN flights to FL cities. Sure. But they're still having a helluva time selling any combination of FL/WN flights, which has more in common with the WN/Y4 codeshare than it should.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-09-26 17:04:38 and read 6248 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Is CLE-DEN actually for sale or did they just talk about it?

United's new frequency? I don't know.

Frontier's DEN-CLE has been for sale since they announced it.

mariner

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-09-26 18:17:08 and read 5912 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 27):
selling any combination of FL/WN flights,

They aren't connecting any pax from FL to WN cities. The codeshare will come in in the first quarter of 2013.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-09-26 18:21:23 and read 5905 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Might be a good time for AS to begin service to SLC by starting SLC-ANC.
Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
If it is permanent then yes, although WN wrecks the yields on SEA.

SLC-ANC is a very small market and couldn't support daily service without feed. DL isn't likely to provide the feed given that it would prefer to keep its passengers on its own metal. AS & DL do not share revenues.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: NWADTWE16
Posted 2012-09-26 19:28:14 and read 5631 times.

Looks to me like EWR is going thru similar cuts now that they have shaved IAH..is this just typical seasonal adjustments or another sign UA is shrinking?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-09-26 20:10:47 and read 5468 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 16):

WOW. Has this route has ever gone on a short vacation period? i know its just a seasonal adjustment

It looks like to me that they moved the flight to MSP. That's more worrisome.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):

Might be a good time for AS to begin service to SLC by starting SLC-ANC.

If it is permanent then yes, although WN wrecks the yields on SEA.

SLC-ANC is seasonally suspended from 1/3/13 - 3/1/12. It returns 3/2/13. Lets not get carried away here. DL loaded several seasonal suspensions in the past few weeks. They cuts have been a combination of reduced frequencies and/or cutting some secondary hub overflights/
(e.g., SLC-ANC, MSP-AZO, MSP-BHM, DTW-DLH) In all cases, these markets still maintain network access via their primary connecting hub. All of these routes have historically been flown for years, and are suspended during the slowest travel period of the year. They all return 3/2/13.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: slcdeltarumd11
Posted 2012-09-26 20:51:54 and read 5313 times.

Quoting DTW.SCE" class="quote" target="_blank">PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 32):
SLC-ANC is seasonally suspended from 1/3/13 - 3/1/12. It returns 3/2/13. Lets not get carried away here. DL loaded several seasonal suspensions in the past few weeks. They cuts have been a combination of reduced frequencies and/or cutting some secondary hub overflights/
(e.g., SLC-ANC, MSP-AZO, MSP-BHM, DTW-DLH) In all cases, these markets still maintain network access via their primary connecting hub. All of these routes have historically been flown for years, and are suspended during the slowest travel period of the year. They all return 3/2/13.

I am just wondering why they wouldnt throw a 319 or even a 737 on there in the low season? Its a 757 or nothing?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-09-26 21:17:28 and read 5245 times.

I don't know, but we are talking about a route that is over 2100 miles here, during the dead of winter.

DL is more aggressive year-over-year and adjusting capacity on a seasonal/monthly/day-of-the-week basis to match demand and an acceptable yield. Its a shift in philosphy from years past. DL only wants to operate where they think they can profitabilly. They are chosing to fly where they want, not because they have to.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-26 23:12:30 and read 4984 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 28):
Frontier's DEN-CLE has been for sale since they announced it.

I don't think it has been posted here. That means it is only for sale on F9.com and not through GDS. That's an interesting wrinkle...

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 34):

I don't know, but we are talking about a route that is over 2100 miles here, during the dead of winter.

Which is why the additional MSP-ANC in JAN/FEB is really really odd. That makes me wonder if the change is permanent.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: mariner
Posted 2012-09-26 23:33:09 and read 4952 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 35):
I don't think it has been posted here. That means it is only for sale on F9.com and not through GDS. That's an interesting wrinkle...

The news of it was posted on the Frontier thread at the time it happened.

It can be booked on the website and on Travelocity and Orbitz - I haven't bothered to check the others because they're often late. It took Expedia three weeks to find out that SHD even exists.

People are booking it. I don't see a wrinkle.

mariner

[Edited 2012-09-26 23:51:58]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-09-26 23:44:19 and read 4956 times.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 4):

UA's just not that dominant in SEA anymore?
Quoting enilria (Reply 1):
UA ORD-PDX JAN 4>3

It's not just SEA, it is the entire Pacific Northwest UA has pulled away from, I'm still predicting the SEA-NRT flight going away fairly soon. Then we'll watch all the Skywest flying within the Northwest disappear, definitely by the time the EMB-120's leave OO's fleet. Then ultimately reductions in flying down the west coast, with token SFO flights for connecting purposes mostly. EWR, IAH, DEN, SFO, IAD will be the few cities connected to both SEA & PDX on UA. My opinion only.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-09-27 01:20:13 and read 4853 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AC SAN-YVR OCT 1.0>0.8

This flight is actually cancelled for the winter as of the end of October; AC is making the route seasonal with a return at the beginning of next May.

Surprising to me as the route has operated continuously (and daily and year-round) since December 2005 -- starting as a Jazz CRA. It has pretty much remained the same since it became mainline (E-190) in October 2007 with no reduction of frequency, a/c, or even any major time adjustments.

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-09-27 05:44:45 and read 4581 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 35):
Which is why the additional MSP-ANC in JAN/FEB is really really odd. That makes me wonder if the change is permanent.

Let's look at ANC historically by month:

Jan/Feb 2010: 1x MSP (757), 1x SLC (757)
Mar 2010: 2x MSP (757), 1x SLC (757)

Jan/Feb 2011: 1x MSP (738), 1x SLC (738)
Mar 2011: 2x MSP (738), 1x SLC (738)

Jan/Feb 2012: 1x MSP (757), 1x SLC (757)
Mar 2012: 2x MSP (757), 1x SLC (757)

Jan/Feb 2013: 2x MSP (757)
Mar 2013: 2x MSP (757), 1x SLC (757)

So the difference is they are still offering the same capacity out of ANC in 2013 as they have every year on 2 flights during the slowest travel period in January & February. The difference is they are going to drop the redeye SLC flight during this period and instead fly the MSP redeye.

As mentioned earlier, the MSP flights generally give better connectivity to the rest of the DL network. The only advantage that SLC has versus MSP for ANC flights is for local O&D which is not that significant, and on intermountain west and west coast connections. Much of the intermountain west and west coast connections are well-served by AS on either nonstops or on connections over SEA and PDX.

The MSP redeye has a 10pm ANC departure time versus a 1am departure time for SLC. In addition, MSP east coast connections are at least 1-2 hours shorter in total transit time. SLC does not have as good of connectivity to the east coast compared to SLC.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: flyinryan99
Posted 2012-09-27 07:05:48 and read 4358 times.

Quoting mah4546 (Reply 17):

Schedules should be readjusted in a short while. No plans for any major draw down nor a drawn away commitment form it's LAX hub (no quotation marks), simply seeing some scheduling snafus during the transition, as we saw with the MIA transition from ATR to ERJs that even removed MIAEYW completely from booking systems for a while.

I was just wondering if it could be lack of equipment while they are transitioning...Slower season so why not cut the schedule just a little bit to get the transition over a little more smoothly. Seems plausible to me.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-09-27 07:46:32 and read 4254 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 35):
Which is why the additional MSP-ANC in JAN/FEB is really really odd. That makes me wonder if the change is permanent.
Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 33):
I am just wondering why they wouldnt throw a 319 or even a 737 on there in the low season? Its a 757 or nothing?

It really isn't odd. NW operated MSP-ANC twice daily during the winter for many, many years; the flight was discontinued after the merger.

SLC-ANC relies exclusively on connectivity. MSP offers greater connectivity and better serves the core DL consumer base. Adding a second ANC flight gives the crux of the DL network superior options compared to the split MSP/SLC service. A very limited number of small markets (the larger ones have direct service and aren't likely to utilize DL's connection) are affected by the decision.

Why not operate a 319 from each SLC and MSP? Cost. It's significantly cheaper to operate the single 757 service, and additional revenue opportunities seized aren't likely to come close to offsetting the added costs.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: GentFromAlaska
Posted 2012-09-27 09:00:55 and read 4134 times.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 30):
SLC-ANC is a very small market and couldn't support daily service without feed

Prior to the DL/NW merger DL did off DEN-SLC-ANC and also DEN-SLC-SEA-ANC service. Even with the extra stop the the two flights arrived in ANC separated by some 45 minutes. I remember selecting the larger of the two aircraft for which was as I recall a 767 vs a 757.

As stated the NW brand did offer a ANC-MSP redeye of sorts which departed ANC at about 9:30 PM and arrived in MSP about 2:00 AM.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: diverdave
Posted 2012-09-27 09:24:32 and read 4093 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SLC-ANC JAN 0.6>0.0 FEB 0.7>0

enilria, thank you for your weekly effort, there's always something interesting!

David

[Edited 2012-09-27 09:28:26]

[Edited 2012-09-27 09:28:51]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-09-27 10:07:41 and read 4033 times.

Quoting mariner (Reply 36):
People are booking it. I don't see a wrinkle.

Maybe it is going to show up here next week. I don't get it.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 39):
As mentioned earlier, the MSP flights generally give better connectivity to the rest of the DL network.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 39):
and on intermountain west and west coast connections
Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 41):
MSP offers greater connectivity and better serves the core DL consumer base.

Well, the point has been made that in JAN the market from ANC is to places that are warm. In terms of O&D they are all accessed from SLC. ANC-MCO is ridiculously low yield. I'd rather carry people to PHX/SAN/etc than Florida. This flight is going to be nearly all leisure in JAN anyway. Doubling up on MSP will assure that the additional traffic needed will be discretionary.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 41):
Why not operate a 319 from each SLC and MSP? Cost. It's significantly cheaper to operate the single 757 service,

The issue isn't 2 vs. 1, the issue is why would they move SLC to a 2nd MSP in JAN. It's odd if it is only for JAN/FEB/etc.

Quoting diverdave (Reply 43):
enilria, thank you for your weekly effort, there's always something interesting!

 

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-09-27 10:28:08 and read 4012 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 44):
Well, the point has been made that in JAN the market from ANC is to places that are warm. In terms of O&D they are all accessed from SLC. ANC-MCO is ridiculously low yield. I'd rather carry people to PHX/SAN/etc than Florida. This flight is going to be nearly all leisure in JAN anyway. Doubling up on MSP will assure that the additional traffic needed will be discretionary.

1. All of those West Coast markets - PHX, SAN, LAS, SFO, etc. have nonstop AS service and may also have UA or US service. Thus DL would be competing against multiple daily non-stops with a red-eye, connecting service against lower cost carriers.

2. This is January & February - leisure travel is very slow right after the holidays. The SLC service comes back in March when leisure travel picks up.

Quoting enilria (Reply 44):
The issue isn't 2 vs. 1, the issue is why would they move SLC to a 2nd MSP in JAN. It's odd if it is only for JAN/FEB/etc.

They are deciding not to drop the 2nd daily MSP-ANC flight for Jan-Feb, instead dropping SLC during that time.

It is not odd at all. DL is being aggressive at winter off-peak reductions.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-09-27 10:57:59 and read 3979 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 45):
1. All of those West Coast markets - PHX, SAN, LAS, SFO, etc. have nonstop AS service and may also have UA or US service. Thus DL would be competing against multiple daily non-stops with a red-eye, connecting service against lower cost carriers.

AS only has non-stops to ANC from LAX (I think this is year-round now) and SEA and PDX. There are no current non-stops anytime on AS to ANC from PHX, SAN, LAS, and SFO, especially not in January.

So you have to connnect at SEA or PDX anyway to get to most cities from ANC. And AS doesn't serve the likes of AUS, ABQ, etc that would be an easy connection from SLC.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-09-27 11:34:33 and read 3924 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 46):
AS only has non-stops to ANC from LAX (I think this is year-round now) and SEA and PDX. There are no current non-stops anytime on AS to ANC from PHX, SAN, LAS, and SFO, especially not in January.

So you have to connnect at SEA or PDX anyway to get to most cities from ANC. And AS doesn't serve the likes of AUS, ABQ, etc that would be an easy connection from SLC.

DL can't operate as an "everything for everyone" operation. Communities outside the Mountain & Pacific Time Zones will continue to have compeitive connections through MSP -- for example, on some dates, AUS-MSP-ANC has the fastest total trip time of any option.

Only price-sensitive passengers in places like SMF & BOI would consider options through SLC. DL's still publishing competitive fares in these markets, sometimes through double-connections (SMF-SLC-SEA on DL, SEA-ANC on AS) other times through selling DL-coded AS flights. In some case, such as BOI, DL offers MSP as a connection option, so price-sensitive and mileage-hungry passengers get a fix as well.

The reality is that MSP offers more connectivity and at higher frequency than SLC. In nearly all cases in which SLC's a better option than MSP, DL's not pulling in much traffic (mainly because other carriers offer significantly more competitive connections).

Thus, the move will benefit significantly more passengers than it will disenfranchise.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-09-27 11:54:39 and read 3898 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 46):
AS doesn't serve the likes of AUS,

Yes they do.... SEA-AUS-SEA

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-09-27 11:56:21 and read 3886 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 48):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 46):
AS doesn't serve the likes of AUS,

Yes they do.... SEA-AUS-SEA

Bad example, especially considering I flew that flight last Winter.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-10-05 10:28:24 and read 3372 times.

FYI,
There is some sort of technical glitch this week. It says that there is a new OAG file, but there appear to be no changes from any U.S. carrier which must be a glitch.

This is the only change I saw this week...

FI BOS-KEF JUN 2>3
FI SEA-KEF JUN 1.3>1.0

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 9/28/2012: AA/B6/DL/UA
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-10-05 11:12:18 and read 3133 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-OMA JAN 0.7>0.0 FEB 0.7>0

Anyone see this yet?

Not a significant cut but still a cut.


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