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Topic: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: tcx69k
Posted 2012-10-06 04:56:49 and read 10119 times.

With bmi's operations coming to an end within the next few weeks, marking the end of an era, below are the expected last flight for the current bmi fleet (subject to change):

G-DBCA
BD9571 LHR-SOF 28Oct

G-MEDK
BD928 GYD-LHR 13Oct

G-MIDO
BD9573 BHX-LHR 28Oct

G-MIDX
BD9572 MAN-LHR 28Oct

G-MEDF
BD928 GYD-LHR 27Oct

G-MEDG
BD9521 EMA-LHR 30Oct

G-MEDJ
BD9553 EMA-LHR 19Oct

G-MEDU
BD894 DME-LHR 09Oct

G-WWBD
BD992 ALA-LHR 23Oct

G-WWBM
BD968 FNA-LHR 26Oct

Very sad indeed!   

The bmi livery, however, will live on for a while longer until the remaining 13 A/C are repainted   

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: viasa
Posted 2012-10-06 05:25:08 and read 10017 times.

Thank you very much for this detailed list.

I still miss two A320s and two A321 which were still registrated to bmi (according to CAA).

Could you check G-MIDY, G-MEDH, G-MEDL and G-MEDN? There were already opf BA (only G-MEDH is still used on bmi flights).

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: tcx69k
Posted 2012-10-06 05:49:07 and read 9925 times.

Quote:
Could you check G-MIDY, G-MEDH, G-MEDL and G-MEDN? There were already opf BA (only G-MEDH is still used on bmi flights).
G-MIDY
BD61 EDI-LHR 19Aug

G-MEDH
BD906 BEY-LHR 03Oct

G-MEDL
BD906 BEY-LHR 29Sep

G-MEDM
BD894 DME-LHR 19Sep

G-MEDN
BD906 BEY-LHR 16Sep

G-MIDT/Y & G-MEDL/M/N are all now flying for BA but are still registered to bmi

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: blueflyer
Posted 2012-10-06 10:29:21 and read 9413 times.

Quoting tcx69k (Thread starter):
G-DBCA
BD9571 LHR-SOF 28Oct

Why would this a/c end its bmi service away from base? Maintenance? Return to lessor?

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: AAMDanny
Posted 2012-10-06 10:30:11 and read 9410 times.

Will LH be using there own metal now on the BHX-germany routes now? What would happen to the crews stationed there?

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-06 11:08:35 and read 9303 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Why would this a/c end its bmi service away from base?

G-DBCA is primarily dedicated to operating the three-times-daily TXL-LHR-TXL rotations (LH3372/73/74/75/76/77) for LH. Its cabin furnishings are therefore Lufthansa-style furnishings. As Lufthansa Technik has an operation at SOF and as BD9553 is a ferry flight flight number, I am guessing it is going o Lufthansa Technik for cab in refurbishment (and possible routine maintenance) at the end of what has effectively been a wet lease all as part of the detailed agreement between Lufthansa Group and IAG..

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-10-06 11:10:17 and read 9296 times.

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 3):
Why would this a/c end its bmi service away from base? Maintenance? Return to lessor?

Probably recovery of Lufthansa fittings by Lufthansa Technik Sofia Ltd before return to BA

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-10-06 11:23:15 and read 9239 times.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 4):

Will LH be using there own metal now on the BHX-germany routes now? What would happen to the crews stationed there?

The ex Bmi operated BHX-FRA-BHX flights are being transferred to Lufthansa Cityline.

For some redundancy regrettably.

[Edited 2012-10-06 11:24:15]

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: L1011
Posted 2012-10-06 11:32:39 and read 9166 times.

I'll be on LH 3373 from LHR to TXL on October 20. Is G-DBCA the only aircraft that operates that flight?

Bob Bradley

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-10-06 11:46:24 and read 9110 times.

Quoting L1011 (Reply 8):
I'll be on LH 3373 from LHR to TXL on October 20. Is G-DBCA the only aircraft that operates that flight?

Bob Bradley


Simple yes as all other ex bmi 319s are now on BA AOC.
That said both G-DBCF and G-DBCK also remain in bmi colours !

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-06 11:56:04 and read 8995 times.

Quoting tcx69k (Reply 2):
G-MIDY
BD61 EDI-LHR 19Aug

In so far as BA are and will continue to operate the bulk of the former BD timetable until the end of this month G-MIDY and, indeed, all the other former BD aircraft are continuing to operate from LHR T1 to the former BD timetable although a couple of former BD aircraft have operated a very limited number of BA flights from T5.

Looking at 'DY specifically:

On 10 July it operated LHR-MAN out of T1 at LHR using flight number BA8108 and call sign BMA8QA, the first flight operated with a BA flight number.

On 16 August it operated FRA-MAN (flight number LH948, call sign DLH948), its last flight using an LH flight number and a DLH call sign.

On 17 August it was positioned MAN-LHR (flight number BD9541, call sign BMA9541), its last flight using a BD flight number.

On 19 August it operated EDI-LHR (fight number BA8047, call sign BMA5EH), its last flight using a BD call sign. It then was towed to the BA Engineering Base at LHR where its cabin was refurbished to BA's style - carpets, seat covers etc.

On 22 August it was transferred to the British Airways AOC.

On 23 August it re-entered service operating LHR-EDI from T1 (flight number BA8047, call sign SHT9040), its first flight using a BA call sign.

Since 23 August it has been dedicated to operating forner BD flights from T1 at LHR to BHD, GLA and DUB using BA flight numbers and call signs but has also flown two totations to both AGA and RAK and one to each of BSL, CMN and SVG all form er BD flights and all from T1.

As at 6 October the CAA web site shows that it is still registered to the IAG subsidiary, British Midland Airways of Castle Donnington.

If only life was simple!

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: timboflier215
Posted 2012-10-06 13:38:56 and read 8089 times.

Quoting tcx69k (Thread starter):
The bmi livery, however, will live on for a while longer until the remaining 13 A/C are repainted

Don't forget bmi regional! They're still going (for now)

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: irregking
Posted 2012-10-07 02:01:51 and read 4514 times.

Quoting AAMDanny (Reply 4):
What would happen to the crews stationed there?

The BD crew operating the LH flights ex BHX and MAN are BD crews stationed at LHR. They dead-head to MAN via BA flights and to BHX via taxi, check into hotels and operate 3-4 days ex BHX and MAN on LH flights.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 7):
For some redundancy regrettably.

If you are referring to the BD crew, let me tell you that none of them were made redundant, at least none of the BD mainline Pursers, Seniors and Juniors. They were ALL integrated into BA and were given 2 options:

- BA Euro-fleet on A319/20/21 & B767 (767 except Pursers) - with no change in salary - Europe network only
OR
- BA Mixed fleet on all aircraft - with new (less) pay plus a big chunk of one time compensation (I think it was £10k or £15k) - Worldwide network

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: by738
Posted 2012-10-07 02:49:18 and read 4135 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):

there are no GLA flights from T1

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-10-07 04:25:23 and read 3442 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 13):
there are no GLA flights from T1

Alas no longer, I was on the last GLA-LHR and that was back in March. Booked next weekend up to MAN with BMI Regional for one last time. I was tempted to try a final day booking with BMI but none of the flights look doable.

I think however much many of us liked British Midland, at least the bulk of the jobs and staff at LHR were saved and we'll be seeing many of them over the years to come with BA.

[Edited 2012-10-07 04:25:55]

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: rutankrd
Posted 2012-10-07 04:48:01 and read 3277 times.

Quoting irregking (Reply 12):
If you are referring to the BD crew, let me tell you that none of them were made redundant, at least none of the BD mainline Pursers, Seniors and Juniors. They were ALL integrated into BA and were given 2 options:

- BA Euro-fleet on A319/20/21 & B767 (767 except Pursers) - with no change in salary - Europe network only
OR
- BA Mixed fleet on all aircraft - with new (less) pay plus a big chunk of one time compensation (I think it was £10k or £15k) - Worldwide network

Pleased to here that.

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: findingnema
Posted 2012-10-07 05:42:08 and read 3117 times.

Quoting irregking (Reply 12):
The BD crew operating the LH flights ex BHX and MAN are BD crews stationed at LHR. They dead-head to MAN via BA flights and to BHX via taxi, check into hotels and operate 3-4 days ex BHX and MAN on LH flights.

There are bmi mainline bases at Birmingham and Manchester, operating the Airbus 320 for Lufthansa. The MAN base has been there for years, but the BHX base only opened in 2011 and recruited for both cabin crew and direct-entry flight supervisors. Yes, some crew would have positioned up to these bases when they were undercrewed, but otherwise there were specifically based local cabin crew. These crew were offered guaranteed interviews for Mixed Fleet, but otherwise were offered redundancy, they weren't included in the offer to go to Eurofleet.

Quoting irregking (Reply 12):
They were ALL integrated into BA and were given 2 options:

- BA Euro-fleet on A319/20/21 & B767 (767 except Pursers) - with no change in salary - Europe network only
OR
- BA Mixed fleet on all aircraft - with new (less) pay plus a big chunk of one time compensation (I think it was £10k or £15k) - Worldwide network

Cabin crew from bmi were TUPE'd over to British Airways on their bmi contracts to work on Eurofleet in rank. They have full access to the Eurofleet network and bidding system and their contracts are in place, although some current payments are being streamlined to mirror existing Eurofleet ones. Cabin crew also moved over as crew, FS's came over as Pursers and the FSM's have come over as CSD's. All Performance Managers and Inflight Chefs have gone through the redundancy consultation. There was an option to come to Mixed Fleet and have your contract bought by the company. That meant you would give up your rank, scheduling agreement and contract to go onto Mixed Fleet terms and conditions, pay and scheduling agreement. As this would be a pay cut for most bmi crew, they were offered a £10k payment that would come in two installments. Of the approximately 600 bmi cabin crew at LHR, only about 50 have come over to Mixed Fleet, the rest have been integrated into EF. Nobody has been offered Worldwide Fleet contracts and I understand that ex-bmi crew do not have the opportunity to transfer to WWF if the fleet transfer list opens up again.

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-07 05:46:33 and read 3109 times.

Quoting by738 (Reply 13):
there are no GLA flights from T1

My bad. Thanks for the correction. In Reply 10 where it says:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 10):
Since 23 August it has been dedicated to operating forner BD flights from T1 at LHR to BHD, GLA and DUB using BA flight numbers and call signs

read "MAN" for "GLA".

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-10-07 07:54:29 and read 2931 times.

A little earlier I was out and about and saw an ERJ145[or maybe a 135] in BD colour scheme on approach to LHR. I was a bit surprised given their low capacity that BA hadn't canned these already - is it something to do with routes still be operated by BMI regional - and will they be disappearing from the skies, at least into LHR, at the end of the summer season?

Any info gladly received.

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-07 08:28:01 and read 2872 times.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 18):
A little earlier I was out and about and saw an ERJ145[or maybe a 135] in BD colour scheme on approach to LHR. I was a bit surprised given their low capacity that BA hadn't canned these already - is it something to do with routes still be operated by BMI regional

The key is the British Airways decision to maintain the BD Summer Schedule through to the end of this month on most routes. Increasing the size of the aircraft that BD had been operating with bmi Regional aircraft (like ABZ) would simply have raised costs at a time when a fall in traffic (because of the imminent demise of BD) was more likely than an increase.

Clearly this BA policy was to the advantage of passengers, particularly those that had pre-booked BD flights. However with some ex-BD flights operating almost at the same time on the same route as existing BA flights on itlooks rather unusual. An example can be seen early tomorrow morning. BA1432 LHR-EDI is schedule to depart at 06:45 from T5. Just 10 minutes later BA8038 (that was formerly BD050) is also scheduled to operate LHR-EDI from T1 departing at 06:55.

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-10-07 15:47:17 and read 2525 times.

Quoting VV701 (Reply 19):
The key is the British Airways decision to maintain the BD Summer Schedule through to the end of this month on most routes

Thanks for the clarification - I tried to keep abreast of the aircraft and route integration that was going on but in the end my brain hurt too much!

Topic: RE: The End Draws Near For Bmi
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-07 19:16:33 and read 2411 times.

Quoting L1011 (Reply 8):
I'll be on LH 3373 from LHR to TXL on October 20. Is G-DBCA the only aircraft that operates that flight?

No. It certainly operates the vast majority. But currently from time to time a 320 or 321 is used. This is because all the former BD 319s except 'CA are now operating under the BA AOC.

So far this month all the flights have been operated by G-DBCA except for single rotations on 2/3 October (LH3377/72, 320 G-MEDK) and 4 October (LH3375/76, 321 G-MEDF). Both of these aircraft are configured J/Y for medium haul operations.


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