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Topic: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: stlAV8R
Posted 2012-10-10 07:41:36 and read 5323 times.

Just came across some information that looks like RP is not going anywhere for a little while. Starting December 21st, RP will fly the 44-seat ERJ-140 out of DTW to AZO, LAN, PLN, SDF, TVC, and YOW (TVC on the 22nd and LAN on the 23rd). Obviously since this info is not really out yet, can't say where I got if from but I thought this was interesting nonetheless. Anyone else heard about this or know more?

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-10 07:44:51 and read 5305 times.

Well, it would make some sense to have some "smaller" lift to these cities. I imagine we'd see some in MN as well...

But until I see it on DLNet or from RAH I'm not going to believe it. Sorry...

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: XJET
Posted 2012-10-10 07:53:36 and read 5252 times.

I thought the E140s were only used for AA out of ORD... I wasn't aware that they had anymore.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: KingAir200
Posted 2012-10-10 09:27:14 and read 5027 times.

They're loaded in the schedules. Just look on delta.com.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: nwa757boy
Posted 2012-10-10 09:48:49 and read 4955 times.

Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-10-10 09:57:25 and read 4915 times.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-10-10 10:51:41 and read 4752 times.

Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here, even though it's also a very short hop between FWA and DTW. Almost all the DL flying at FWA is 9E, with some EV thrown in at times, and 9E RONs 3 (IIRC) CR2s at FWA for MX and would like to work on more.

Granted, with Chapter 11 for 9E, there will be changes, but at last check, 9E is committed to keeping the FWA MX base open. In fact, 9E is partnering with Ivy Tech Community College to hire mechanics from their SMD (Smith Field) MX school. Which means that if 9E gets a share of the new 76-seat DCI flying (and I think they will get at least part of it with DL at the helm of the creditors), a lot of those planes will end up at FWA.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.

  

FWA-DTW was flown by a mix of turboprops and jets for years. Toward the end of the XJ SAAB fleet's service at FWA, one or two of the five daily FWA-DTW flights was on a SAAB (usually the lower-volume flights), with the other 3 or 4 flights on 9E CR2s. FWA-MSP has always been operated on a CR2, and FWA-ATL has used CR2s ever since DL mainline was discontinued at FWA (though the CR7 was used briefly when it first entered the DCI system).

In an ideal world, the Q400 or the AT7 would be the perfect planes for routes like FWA-DTW. If Colgan were still around and if DL didn't have propophobia, we could have seen Pinnacle/Colgan add the Q400 to the DL Connection fleet and add a Q400 MX line at FWA.

Quoting XJET (Reply 2):

I thought the E140s were only used for AA out of ORD... I wasn't aware that they had anymore.

Most likely, RP is cutting back on ERD flying for AA with the addition of OO and EV to the Eagle network.

[Edited 2012-10-10 11:05:46]

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: jblake1
Posted 2012-10-10 10:55:31 and read 4732 times.

RP flies to LAN right now. The 6am departure today was a RP plane, no need to wait til December.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FWAERJ
Posted 2012-10-10 11:00:57 and read 4698 times.

Quoting jblake1 (Reply 7):
RP flies to LAN right now. The 6am departure today was a RP plane, no need to wait til December.

Was it an ERJ-145 or an ERJ-140? RP flies the ER4 for DL right now.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FL787
Posted 2012-10-10 11:20:45 and read 4622 times.

The RP/AA contract for 15 ERDs runs out in February and it seems AA is not going to be extending it. It will be interesting to see how many ERDs DL wants to take and for how long. I don't like the fact that DL is coding these planes as ER4s. Don't know why they couldn't just use ERD to avoid confusion.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: stlAV8R
Posted 2012-10-10 11:29:35 and read 4601 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 1):
But until I see it on DLNet or from RAH I'm not going to believe it. Sorry...

Apparently it's out so I hope delta.com makes you a believer...

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 5):
At some point they'll realize getting out of the prop business probably wasn't the smartest thing considering a lot of these short haul routes from DTW.

I agree but I think that this is "Delta's thing" to differentiate itself from the competition. Sorta how OH marketed jet service with the introduction of the CRJ, except no props whatsoever.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here

I didn't see FWA on the schedule, maybe I missed it.

Quoting FL787 (Reply 9):
The RP/AA contract for 15 ERDs runs out in February and it seems AA is not going to be extending it. It will be interesting to see how many ERDs DL wants to take and for how long.

I was wondering myself how many will actually make it over. It will be very interesting to see how many small RJs stay with DL. I see this as more CRJs or ERJs exiting the fleet that expected to stay below the new pilot contract cap.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-10-10 11:35:45 and read 4576 times.

Is this the "narrowbody" fleet addition in December that FlyASAguy eluded to the other day in a different thread?

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-10-10 12:54:33 and read 4398 times.

Quoting stlAV8R (Reply 10):
I agree but I think that this is "Delta's thing" to differentiate itself from the competition. Sorta how OH marketed jet service with the introduction of the CRJ, except no props whatsoever.

True...but we've seen how well RJ operations have been doing lately.  

I just see Alaska/Horizon going to crazy out west with the Q400s and just wish someone would take that model back east into the Midwest.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FL787
Posted 2012-10-10 13:12:19 and read 4350 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):

Assuming he and I were talking about the same thing in that thread, yes.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: DeltaMD90
Posted 2012-10-10 14:48:45 and read 4190 times.

I guess the price must've been right. I'm sure DL has no problem with 50/44 seaters... just expensive 50/44 seaters. What are RP's costs like? I'm guessing they'd be pretty low. DL just dumped a bunch of 50 seat flying, planning on dumping more. Can't see why they'd add 44 seaters unless they got a good deal or something

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2012-10-10 15:29:00 and read 4109 times.

Quoting nwa757boy (Reply 4):
Getting out of the 50 seat market and heading into the 44 seat market!

I'll take an E-jet of ANY size over an CRJ (not CR7 or CR9) any day of the week.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: fjnovak1
Posted 2012-10-10 20:09:20 and read 3827 times.

Don't see it in delta.com... most of the routes were listed as Pinnacle CRJ's

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-10-10 20:30:28 and read 3712 times.

ahh once again find ways around DALPA's section 1. I bet ALPA never saw it coming. smh.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2012-10-10 20:34:54 and read 3681 times.

Quoting fjnovak1 (Reply 16):
Don't see it in delta.com... most of the routes were listed as Pinnacle CRJ's

Looking at weekdays in January, I was able to find the 44 seaters.

Schedule shows a ERJ-145 however seat maps show 44 seaters.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-10 22:31:04 and read 3265 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Is this the "narrowbody" fleet addition in December that FlyASAguy eluded to the other day in a different thread?



LOL yes.

I kept saying it wasn't earth shattering...

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-10-10 23:23:26 and read 3151 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):

and it wasn't that narrow body 764. Shame   

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: neveragain
Posted 2012-10-11 04:44:40 and read 2754 times.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 6):
Somehow, I don't think that FWA will see them with the 9E MX base here, even though it's also a very short hop between FWA and DTW. Almost all the DL flying at FWA is 9E, with some EV thrown in at times, and 9E RONs 3 (IIRC) CR2s at FWA for MX and would like to work on more.

Granted, with Chapter 11 for 9E, there will be changes, but at last check, 9E is committed to keeping the FWA MX base open. In fact, 9E is partnering with Ivy Tech Community College to hire mechanics from their SMD (Smith Field) MX school. Which means that if 9E gets a share of the new 76-seat DCI flying (and I think they will get at least part of it with DL at the helm of the creditors), a lot of those planes will end up at FWA.

I'm trying to find the post where someone asked if these planes would be going to FWA, or whether 9E was going to its FWA maintenance base open, but alas, I can't find it. It's almost as if the world revolves around FWA, and the world never noticed it.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: ouboy79
Posted 2012-10-11 09:11:40 and read 2109 times.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 21):
I'm trying to find the post where someone asked if these planes would be going to FWA, or whether 9E was going to its FWA maintenance base open, but alas, I can't find it. It's almost as if the world revolves around FWA, and the world never noticed it.

You mean it doesn't?   Someone is just supportive of their hometown, nothing wrong with that. Though it does get annoying when it is done in spite of other communities.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: syncmaster
Posted 2012-10-11 10:33:48 and read 2013 times.

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 12):
I just see Alaska/Horizon going to crazy out west with the Q400s and just wish someone would take that model back east into the Midwest.

That would be nice, and it would be even better if they were operated by Horizon. But I digress.

It'll be nice to see some Delta ERJ's in the area again though.

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: loggat
Posted 2012-10-11 10:56:39 and read 1960 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 17):
ahh once again find ways around DALPA's section 1. I bet ALPA never saw it coming. smh.

Actually, the PWA with the pilots allows for exactly this operation as it's own cutout. (9 E140's operated by RP or S5). They knew it was coming.

c. one of up to nine aircraft operated under a prorate agreement with Chautauqua
Airlines or Shuttle America Corporation, configured with 44 or fewer passenger seats
and certificated in the United States with a maximum gross takeoff weight of 65,000
or fewer pounds, and

Topic: RE: Chautauqua (RP) Expanding DL Partnership
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-11 21:36:24 and read 1705 times.

Quoting stlAV8R (Thread starter):
Starting December 21st

The date will most likely be pushed back by a week or 2.


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