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Topic: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 09:28:09 and read 14183 times.

I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

While some may argue that it is pointless to add AVOD due to DL offering streaming IFE, these rumors seem like they come from a reliable source. Considering that the 753s will replace a lot of domestic 763 flying, this isn't much of a surprise for me.

If these rumors are true, what will the models of seats be? I presume that F will most likely be the Weber 6810 like on the MD-88s and MD-90s, while Y will be either the Weber 5751 or B/E Aerospace Pinnacle. The Y seats will most likely have the Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors.

[Edited 2012-10-09 09:30:11]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-09 10:19:49 and read 13895 times.

At this point there is no definitive answer for AVOD on the -300 fleet. What is happening is the EOD streaming system and THAT is likely to go fleet wide on all non-AVOD a/c. Hadn't heard the seat rumor.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-10-09 10:23:44 and read 13871 times.

Maybe while they refit the interior they'll add winglets??????????

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 10:49:59 and read 13690 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 2):
Maybe while they refit the interior they'll add winglets??????????

A problem would be getting certification, since DL is the only P&W-powered 753 operator, and the 753 winglets are only approved for RR-powered aircraft. Not sure if it will be worth the certification costs.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Prost
Posted 2012-10-09 10:52:40 and read 13661 times.

Yeah, because the biggest issue with the 757-300 is the Economy cabin is a tad too spacious.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: AV8AJET
Posted 2012-10-09 11:29:28 and read 13469 times.

Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even. The 757's are my least favorite airplanes to ride on DL wide. Uncomfortable rock hard seats and poor leg room, just my opinion.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-09 11:36:20 and read 13408 times.

How many seats do they have? Its a beast of a NB  

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-09 11:38:46 and read 13401 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even.

Two sets of two seats and two sets of three seats would give them 10. So perhaps they'll re-arrange Door 3L and Door 3R to be two sets of two seats in line with the door (as is the case with Door 2L).

How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: BMI727
Posted 2012-10-09 11:39:07 and read 13399 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even.

Maybe one row plus squeezing a four seat row in an exit row?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: dc9northwest
Posted 2012-10-09 11:52:48 and read 13315 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?

2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: SJCMSP
Posted 2012-10-09 11:57:02 and read 13280 times.

It would probably be about time on the AVOD on the 753s. I remember flying on those in the continental US when they flew for NW and they wouldn't turn on what video system they had on those flights. They would only turn it on for Hawaii flights.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 11:57:54 and read 13279 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 9):
2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.

DL uses 2L wherever possible for all 757s, 764ERs, 777s, and A330s. However, some gates at some airports may only allow DL to use 1L on these aircraft types. I know that DL's gates at ABQ can only board the 752 from 1L, and many of DL's gates at JFK (particularly many of the T3 gates) can only board the 764ER from 1L.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-09 11:59:59 and read 13257 times.

Is there extra space around the seats for 2L?

I've flown pmUA 757-200s and sat in the pair of seats at Door 2R. If DL's layout is similar, I'd think that would create serious bottlenecks for boarding and off-loading.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: SJCMSP
Posted 2012-10-09 12:09:10 and read 13176 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Is there extra space around the seats for 2L?

There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CRJ900
Posted 2012-10-09 12:14:43 and read 13130 times.

I believe Boeing's original B753 cabin layout was 12F + 228Y with 31" pitch, and German carrier Condor/Thomas Cook have 265 seats in all-Y config, so the 224-seat layout used by NW and Delta now sounds quite luxurious. Another 10 Y-seats is nothing  

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-10-09 12:31:22 and read 13041 times.

Quoting SJCMSP (Reply 13):
There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.

Okay, that explains it.  

On pmUA, the seats were in line with Door 2R, and offset one seat (so DE with the space where F would have been empty and open).


Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 14):
I believe Boeing's original B753 cabin layout was 12F + 228Y with 31" pitch, and German carrier Condor/Thomas Cook have 265 seats in all-Y config, so the 224-seat layout used by NW and Delta now sounds quite luxurious.

Boeing's two-class OEM configuration is 12 First and 231 Economy. The single-class is 279.

The Exit Limit for the 757-300 is not given, but I am assuming it is 279 based on the Exit Limit for the 757-200 being 239 with four sets of doors.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: sweair
Posted 2012-10-09 12:42:58 and read 12986 times.

279 seats in a NB must have a killer CASM?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-10-09 12:59:53 and read 12812 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
The Exit Limit for the 757-300 is not given, but I am assuming it is 279 based on the Exit Limit for the 757-200 being 239 with four sets of doors.

From FAA Type Certificate Data Sheet, it's either 275 or 295 for the 753 depending on the exit doors:

Maximum Passengers:

For 757-200 and 757-200CB airplanes the total passenger capacity is limited to:
219 (Four pair of Type I exits)
239 (Three pair of Type I exits plus one pair of improved Type I exits at Door No. 2). See Note 5.
224 (Three pair of Type I exits plus two pair of Type III exits)
164 (757-200CB in two pallet main deck cargo configuration), limited by 25.807(c)
0 (757-200PF) 2 crew, 5 persons per Exemption No. 4808

For 757-300 airplanes, the total passenger capacity is limited to:
275 (Three pair of Type C exits, one pair of Type I exits and two pair of Type III exits).
295 (Two pair of Type C exits, one pair of Type B exits, one pair of Type I exits, and
two pair of Type III exits).

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B757forever
Posted 2012-10-09 13:18:02 and read 12595 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

Look to see the 757-300 go to 234 seats total with new slimlines (not sure which model) and IFE. Winglets too. 2013-2014 time frame. It's not a rumor if it's true...  Smile

[Edited 2012-10-09 13:19:14]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-09 14:00:28 and read 12163 times.

Quoting dc9northwest (Reply 9):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 7):
How does DL board their 757-300s? From 1L?

2L the only time I flew on one of these beasts. I think that's standard on 757s for Delta, though. It's always the same on 752s.

LGA D1 is only 1L for boarding.

And as stated before, I can't see DL (or anyone) paying for P&W certification on the winglets.

Quoting SJCMSP (Reply 13):
There are only two seats just behind door 2L instead of three slightly offset from the window. The whole doorway is clear if that is what you're asking.

Oh, go ahead...rip out another galley at 2R...throw in 6 more seats while you're at it. If there's one thing DL abhors, it's an mid/aft galley on the NB fleet!  

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B757forever
Posted 2012-10-09 14:16:27 and read 12009 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 19):
And as stated before, I can't see DL (or anyone) paying for P&W certification on the winglets.

I was told by a reliable source that the PW certification for the winglets will piggy-back on the RR cert with only minor changes. Curiously the APB website shows specs for a 757-300 with PW engines.

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products_757_300.php

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 14:19:46 and read 11972 times.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 18):
Look to see the 757-300 go to 234 seats total with new slimlines (not sure which model) and IFE. Winglets too. 2013-2014 time frame. It's not a rumor if it's true...

By IFE, that means AVOD, right? The 753s already have IFE, except they have overhead video.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-10-09 14:25:00 and read 11910 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
I have heard several rumors (Wikipedia and elsewhere) that DL's 753s are planned to get AVOD and 10 more Y seats by the use of slimline seats.

You reported the same rumor two months ago:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-300s-get-slimline-seats-avod.html

Interesting to note the Wikipedia article was updated yesterday, after FlyASAGuy2005 stirred speculation:
DL B763ER Interior Mods Schedule? (by audidudi Sep 27 2012 in Civil Aviation)

The person who updated the article was a Boston University student - and probably an airliners.net user. In other words, not a Delta insider.
http://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/168.122.66.113
- - -
When these planes were with NW, payload was sometimes restricted to Hawaii. It'll be interesting to determine how the additional weight (additional seats + the weight of the AVOD system) affect performance...

[Edited 2012-10-09 15:24:37]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: DTWPurserBoy
Posted 2012-10-09 15:44:43 and read 11273 times.

If a bunch of Boeing engineers got together one night, had a few beers and said "let's design an airplane that EVERYONE will hate" it would be the 757-300. Horribly cramped, poor galley locations, lavs that are impossible to get to when the carts are in the aisle and an aisle that narrows so much in the aft cabin that you cannot even drag a rollaboard bag through it--and they want to add more seats? They are going to have to strap lawn chairs to the wings! They already have "slim line seats"--little more than an aluminum frame with some leather stretched over them. Check out the f/a jumpseats--they are literally a board covered with cloth. Not one inch of padding. Passengers hate it, pilots say it is woefully underpowered and flight attendents have been known to burst into tears when they see a month schedule of these aircraft. I have seen passengers break out into fist fights over the lack of overhead bin space. DL would do well to keep the 763's and ditch these monsters. There are only 16 of them. IMHO turn these things into Taco Bells.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: cmb320
Posted 2012-10-09 15:57:43 and read 11174 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
flight attendents have been known to burst into tears when they see a month schedule of these aircraft

I burst into tears if I see "753" on even 1 or 2 legs of my rotation. HATE THAT PLANE!!!!!!

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Max Q
Posted 2012-10-09 15:58:16 and read 11773 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
pilots say it is woefully underpowered

I completely disagree, it may not have the performance of the -200 but it's performance is more than adequate. It is also a nicer handling aircraft than the -200.


As someone who actually flys it I can tell you, you are vastly exaggerating any perceived shortcomings.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: cokepopper
Posted 2012-10-09 16:40:31 and read 11524 times.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 25):
As someone who actually flys it I can tell you, you are vastly exaggerating any perceived shortcomings.

Since you fly it, then you know something about the a/c FORWARD of the cockpit door. DTWPurser is giving his experience from AFT of the cockpit door. Stick to what you know. No one is exaggerating about the shortcomings of the CABIN.

[Edited 2012-10-09 16:43:41]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-10-09 16:47:41 and read 11542 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
If a bunch of Boeing engineers got together one night, had a few beers and said "let's design an airplane that EVERYONE will hate" it would be the 757-300.

Not the shareholders. For medium-haul missions, the thing has the best costs per passenger in the sky, despite its outdated technology.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-10-09 16:52:43 and read 11490 times.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 26):
Since you fly it, then you know something about the a/c FORWARD of the cockpit door. DTWPurser is giving his experience from AFT of the cockpit door. Stick to what you know.

DTWPurserBoy wrote:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
pilots say it is woefully underpowered

Nobody's disagreeing that FA dislike working the aircraft, but yes, some of his account was exaggerated. I've flown dozens of 753 flights and honestly, the experience is no different than that of a 757. Yes, it takes longer to board & disembark but there's 40 more seats -- what would you expect? Personally, my complaint is more with my fellow passengers than the airplane. When exiting the aircraft, if passengers requiring additional time would kindly remained seated until everybody (people who can do so immediately) else has disembarked, the process would be much smoother and much faster. But no, upon arrival MCO-ATL, Mom and Dad spend 10 minutes retrieving their belongings, pampering their children and stopping & asking every FA where they may retrieve their stroller.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-10-09 18:20:47 and read 10831 times.

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 27):
Not the shareholders. For medium-haul missions, the thing has the best costs per passenger in the sky, despite its outdated technology.

The 753 is not outdated technology. May no longer be in current production but it is still a modern aircraft. DLs are at 9-10 years old.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 28):
Nobody's disagreeing that FA dislike working the aircraft, but yes, some of his account was exaggerated. I've flown dozens of 753 flights and honestly, the experience is no different than that of a 757

Exactly is is not much different than a 752 in most regards.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 28):
Personally, my complaint is more with my fellow passengers than the airplane.

In many cases the "issues" with the 753 may have something to do with the fact that see the majority of their flights into places like MCO, LAS, HNL, FLL, TPA - all with a high concentration of leisure passengers, infrequent flyers, childern, eldery, and people who are not as accustom to flying or have special needs.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2012-10-09 18:46:21 and read 10620 times.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 26):
Since you fly it, then you know something about the a/c FORWARD of the cockpit door. DTWPurser is giving his experience from AFT of the cockpit door. Stick to what you know. No one is exaggerating about the shortcomings of the CABIN.

Well he did quote the part about "PILOTS SAY" not talking about the back of the cabin.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):
The 753 is not outdated technology. May no longer be in current production but it is still a modern aircraft. DLs are at 9-10 years old.

Can't believe its already been that long since the Bernie Epple showed up on property, a shame they didn't keep the name.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: seabosdca
Posted 2012-10-09 19:01:41 and read 10484 times.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):
The 753 is not outdated technology. May no longer be in current production but it is still a modern aircraft. DLs are at 9-10 years old.

Its wings, engines, and systems are a generation behind those of the 737NG or A320. That's why the 752 is no longer competitive with those aircraft except on missions they can't fly. The 753 makes up the difference (and then some) with its amazing capacity.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: GoBoeing
Posted 2012-10-09 19:09:57 and read 10411 times.

Quoting cokepopper (Reply 26):
Since you fly it, then you know something about the a/c FORWARD of the cockpit door. DTWPurser is giving his experience from AFT of the cockpit door. Stick to what you know. No one is exaggerating about the shortcomings of the CABIN.

Good grief, that's what he did . . . take a deep breath!

Any pilot that likes piloting the 757-300 would also hate the cabin just as much as anyone else.

[Edited 2012-10-09 19:10:37]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: nwa757300
Posted 2012-10-09 19:28:56 and read 10293 times.

According to a recent document on DLNet under the "aircraft" section on the IFS portal. The 757-300 will in fact get AVOD nose to tail and an additional 10 seats in Y. These 10 seats will be added because they are removing the aft galley forward of 4R, the galley unit aft of 2R and the crew bag storage unit, and the galley unit aft of 1R. The right side rows of seats in the F cabin will be shifted forward because the galley is being removed, and a small area for cart storage is being installed behind 6C,D in front of the lavatory. Seats will be shifted throughout the Y cabin and at the window exits a row of 4 seats (B,C,D,E) will be squeezed in.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-10-09 19:35:52 and read 10235 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 19):

And as stated before, I can't see DL (or anyone) paying for P&W certification on the winglets.

Why? If the planes are going to stay around 15ish years and do a good chunk of the Hawaii flying that is more than enough time to get ROI.

Quoting B757forever (Reply 18):

Look to see the 757-300 go to 234 seats total with new slimlines (not sure which model) and IFE. Winglets too. 2013-2014 time frame. It's not a rumor if it's true...

        

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 22):
When these planes were with NW, payload was sometimes restricted to Hawaii. It'll be interesting to determine how the additional weight (additional seats + the weight of the AVOD system) affect performance...

winglets would do a good bit of fixing this.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 20:16:03 and read 9859 times.

Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 33):
According to a recent document on DLNet under the "aircraft" section on the IFS portal. The 757-300 will in fact get AVOD nose to tail and an additional 10 seats in Y. These 10 seats will be added because they are removing the aft galley forward of 4R, the galley unit aft of 2R and the crew bag storage unit, and the galley unit aft of 1R. The right side rows of seats in the F cabin will be shifted forward because the galley is being removed, and a small area for cart storage is being installed behind 6C,D in front of the lavatory. Seats will be shifted throughout the Y cabin and at the window exits a row of 4 seats (B,C,D,E) will be squeezed in.

So, have specific models of seats been decided yet? Will F be the Weber 6810, or something else? Will Y be the Weber 5751, B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, or something else?

For F, Weber also offers the Weber 6850, which also has an articulating seat bottom like the 6810. Other comparable F seats with articulating seat bottoms include the TIMCO 3050 FeatherWeight, and an as-of-yet unnamed model by Recaro (to be installed by AS on their 737-900ER fleet). B/E Aerospace does not presently offer such a model, however, perhaps DL can work with B/E to offer such a model. Considering B/E offers a seat known as Spectrum 1st, perhaps they can develop a new domestic F seat with an articulating seat bottom known as the Pinnacle 1st. After all, NW and B/E Aerospace jointly designed the old WBC J seats, and perhaps DL can do the same for a new domestic F seat.

For Y, Weber now offers the 5752 seat, an update to the 5751. Other similar slimline Y seats with articulating seat bottoms include the Recaro BL 3520 and AvioInteriors UltraLight. However, since the Panasonic Eco 9i Integrated Smart Monitors are presently only available for the Weber 5751 and B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, I don't see DL choosing one of these other models unless Panasonic develops a version for one of these other seat models.

Also, by "galley units", do you mean the entire galleys will be removed, leaving only one galley (the one forward of 1R) onboard the entire aircraft?

[Edited 2012-10-09 20:31:31]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CompensateMe
Posted 2012-10-09 20:35:46 and read 9763 times.

- Will the new IFE system have only a USB charger, or will it have means to charge the new iPhone?
- Will DL replace the light-up "no smoking" signs with those that advise against the usage of portable electronic devices?
- Will DL install the Boeing "Sky Interior?"
- Will DL install pivot bins?
- Will DL return to their genuine 3D seat row markers, and not that crappy substitute one they used on ex-NW equipment?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FL787
Posted 2012-10-09 20:44:03 and read 9697 times.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 36):

You're killing me...   

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-10-09 20:58:45 and read 9612 times.

Will these 753s be redone with hot pink interiors? Including hot pink seats? Including hot pink row markers? Hot Pink galleys?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: nwa757300
Posted 2012-10-09 21:44:38 and read 9411 times.

Quoting CompensateMe (Reply 36):
Also, by "galley units", do you mean the entire galleys will be removed, leaving only one galley (the one forward of 1R) onboard the entire aircraft?

By that I mean, by door 1R you have a entire galley made up of 2 units, one forward of the door and one aft of it. The aft portion of the first class galley will be removed leaving only 1 unit forward of door 1R. There is also a galley at door 2R that will be removed and of the entire galley at door 4L/R only the unit forward of door 4R will be removed.

Nothing on the document mentioned what type of seats will be used. I would imagine it will be a new seat since the current seats probably can't accommodate monitors.

[Edited 2012-10-09 21:46:32]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-09 22:29:30 and read 9290 times.

Is the layout going to be something like this?

Possible new Delta 757-300 configuration

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: nwa757300
Posted 2012-10-09 22:55:30 and read 9179 times.

Yes very similar, but you need an extra row of seats in F and if I remember correctly the 2 seats at row 14 will be on the other side in front of 2R. And that's what the exit row will look like.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: alaskaqantas
Posted 2012-10-10 02:09:20 and read 8632 times.

Quoting Prost (Reply 4):
Yeah, because the biggest issue with the 757-300 is the Economy cabin is a tad too spacious.

hahaha you crack me up

I know AS is getting new slim seats... but they're passing the benefits onto the customer with more knee room, not more seats!!- I understand that technically it doesn't change the seat pitch for us, but I've flown those slim seats on LH euro flights and found them to be really uncomfortable.

time will tell...
kyle

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-10 08:02:10 and read 7315 times.

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 23):
"let's design an airplane that EVERYONE will hate" it would be the 757-300.

It's like a 757 with an RJ stuck on the end.

Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 33):
These 10 seats will be added because they are removing the aft galley forward of 4R, the galley unit aft of 2R and the crew bag storage unit, and the galley unit aft of 1R. The right side rows of seats in the F cabin will be shifted forward because the galley is being removed

What did I say about DL abhorring aft/mid galleys!? LOL

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 35):
Also, by "galley units", do you mean the entire galleys will be removed, leaving only one galley (the one forward of 1R) onboard the entire aircraft?

No, the galley across the back will be there.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-10 08:07:39 and read 7279 times.

Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 33):
According to a recent document on DLNet under the "aircraft" section on the IFS portal. The 757-300 will in fact get AVOD nose to tail and an additional 10 seats in Y. These 10 seats will be added because they are removing the aft galley forward of 4R, the galley unit aft of 2R and the crew bag storage unit, and the galley unit aft of 1R. The right side rows of seats in the F cabin will be shifted forward because the galley is being removed, and a small area for cart storage is being installed behind 6C,D in front of the lavatory. Seats will be shifted throughout the Y cabin and at the window exits a row of 4 seats (B,C,D,E) will be squeezed in.

Ummm...if that IS the case it's not public information and is inappropriate/unauthorized to post here.

[Edited 2012-10-10 08:10:53]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: SuperDash
Posted 2012-10-10 08:21:06 and read 7206 times.

Quoting alaskaqantas (Reply 42):
I know AS is getting new slim seats... but they're passing the benefits onto the customer with more knee room, not more seats!!- I understand that technically it doesn't change the seat pitch for us, but I've flown those slim seats on LH euro flights and found them to be really uncomfortable.

You might want to check the seating config of AS 8 SEA-EWR in Janauary. That plane has 181 seats on it, up 9 seats from the current 737-900.

As for Delta they have been pretty good at using the space on their planes and I would bet they are taking advantage of empty space and mabe a repitch of a couple of rows and maybe a move or elimination of a closet. If Delta does this, we will have to see if United tries the same play.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-10-10 21:59:04 and read 5047 times.

Quoting AV8AJET (Reply 5):
Also how do you add 10 more seats to a 3x3 aircraft, wouldn't it be an odd number not even. The 757's are my least favorite airplanes to ride on DL wide. Uncomfortable rock hard seats and poor leg room, just my opinion.

How do you add even 6 more seats to a Delta 757-300? There is no leg room in them already you couldn't add another row. I hate flying on the 300, it is a cattle car. They might as well just take out all the seats and make it standing room only and cram 600 people in there while they can    .

Maybe everyone will have to sit in the seats "Indian Style"

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-10 22:28:47 and read 4992 times.

IDK why "winglet certification costs" keeps coming up in these threads...

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-10-10 23:35:25 and read 4936 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 47):

? what does this mean?

Quoting B727FA (Reply 44):

uh....really? lol.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: nwa757300
Posted 2012-10-11 12:23:49 and read 4657 times.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 44):

Really!? It's accessible to 80,000+ employees, it's not "top secret" information. Chillax!

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2012-10-11 12:43:44 and read 4597 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 35):
So, have specific models of seats been decided yet? Will F be the Weber 6810, or something else? Will Y be the Weber 5751, B/E Aerospace Pinnacle, or something else?

B/E Pinnacle

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: DeltAirlines
Posted 2012-10-11 12:54:18 and read 4577 times.

Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 49):
Really!? It's accessible to 80,000+ employees, it's not "top secret" information. Chillax!

And yet when you log into DeltaNet, it says information on this site is not to be posted to external sources. Sure it mentions FlyerTalk and Facebook, but Airliners.net is also part of that domain.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-11 14:15:34 and read 4461 times.

Quoting burnsie28 (Reply 50):
B/E Pinnacle

Thanks. What about the F seats?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-11 20:45:11 and read 4271 times.

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 48):
? what does this mean?

The last time "DL 753s getting winglets" was brought up someone brought up the fact that only RRs are certified. So, what!! DL will pay to have the PWs certified. They are coming (as you agreed).

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 46):
How do you add even 6 more seats to a Delta 757-300?

They're still in NW config and it's no secret that NW's seating arrangement was/is more much generous. See the 319s/320s vs the 737s. They're pretty comfortable IMO. More so than the run of the mill PMDL 757s.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-10-11 21:19:55 and read 4220 times.

I just read a post over on flyer talk that the 739ERs will be 20F/21EC/139Y If so that's 180 seats on a 739 Yuck.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-11 21:31:06 and read 4194 times.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 54):
I just read a post over on flyer talk that the 739ERs will be 20F/21EC/139Y If so that's 180 seats on a 739 Yuck.

??? That's pretty standard for a 739...

UA's are less dense due to their E+ being much larger on all fleet types vs. Delta.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: United1
Posted 2012-10-11 21:40:34 and read 4182 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 55):
??? That's pretty standard for a 739...

UA's are less dense due to their E+ being much larger on all fleet types vs. Delt

Actually that's 7 more seats then a UA 739 without Y+...   

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-11 21:43:33 and read 4190 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 56):
Actually that's 7 more seats then a UA 739 without Y+...

And pre slimline seats, DL's 738s were less dense than what they are now. What's your point.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: United1
Posted 2012-10-11 21:46:16 and read 4175 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 57):
Quoting United1 (Reply 56):
Actually that's 7 more seats then a UA 739 without Y+...

And pre slimline seats, DL's 738s were less dense than what they are now. What's your point.

That 180 seats on a 739ER is going to be a bit of a squeeze.....just like CONTACCREW said.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-10-11 21:48:29 and read 4179 times.

So is DL going to deactivate the exit door just aft the wings ala CO/UA, or will that exit actually be activated?

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Boeing773ER
Posted 2012-10-11 21:50:19 and read 4164 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 40):

I believe they forgot to make all of the seats red or the "bad" seats of the plane.

I can't blame DL for adding 10 more seats into the plane, the average consumer will just deal with it. Only us A.Netter's, and frequent fliers will notice the difference of the seat pitch.

Life goes on.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-11 21:50:47 and read 4169 times.

Quoting United1 (Reply 58):
That 180 seats on a 739ER is going to be a bit of a squeeze.....just like CONTACCREW said.

A row more than the CO 739s. What I don't know is the lav config. That's what will drive the seat count. Pitch will be no worse than other fleet types or majors.

[Edited 2012-10-11 21:51:56]

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: United1
Posted 2012-10-11 21:51:42 and read 4173 times.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 59):

So is DL going to deactivate the exit door just aft the wings ala CO/UA, or will that exit actually be activated?

They can deactivate it....it doesn't need to be used until you get over 189 passengers.

Quoting Boeing773ER (Reply 60):
I believe they forgot to make all of the seats red or the "bad" seats of the plane.

I don't know if I will go that far but that's the direction all airlines are heading...squeeze every last seat in.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: B727FA
Posted 2012-10-12 09:01:28 and read 4000 times.

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Quoting nwa757300 (Reply 49):
Really!? It's accessible to 80,000+ employees, it's not "top secret" information. Chillax!

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: Deltal1011man
Posted 2012-10-12 09:15:04 and read 3968 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 53):

The last time "DL 753s getting winglets" was brought up someone brought up the fact that only RRs are certified. So, what!! DL will pay to have the PWs certified. They are coming (as you agreed).

roger.

Quoting B727FA (Reply 63):

hahaha love the internet police roll. good job  

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-12 09:56:16 and read 3899 times.

Also, on the 739ERs, the F seats will likely be a model with an articulating seat bottom similar to those on the MD-88s and MD-90s, which UA does not have. By reducing pitch in F slightly with these seats, as well as a smaller EC cabin with B/E Aerospace Pinnacle slimline seats throughout Y, I actually don't think Y will be too bad.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: 1337Delta764
Posted 2012-10-12 11:32:39 and read 3796 times.

FYI, I have also learned that Delta has revitalized plans to add a row of Y seats to the A319s using slimline seats. This was planned months ago, but was put on hold due to high fuel costs.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: FlyASAGuy2005
Posted 2012-10-12 11:38:21 and read 3785 times.

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 66):
FYI, I have also learned that Delta has revitalized plans to add a row of Y seats to the A319s using slimline seats. This was planned months ago, but was put on hold due to high fuel costs.

It is coming. Not saying where but saw the specs for it for both the 319 and 320.

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: burnsie28
Posted 2012-10-12 18:48:27 and read 3457 times.

739's will have 37" FC, 34" EC, and 31" Y for pitch,

Topic: RE: Rumor - DL 753s To Get AVOD, 10 More Y Seats
Username: BDL757
Posted 2012-10-12 22:51:59 and read 3328 times.

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 67):
It is coming. Not saying where but saw the specs for it for both the 319 and 320.

Holy crap! They're going to be able to fit another whole row on the 319/320? Will the seat pitch remain the same?


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