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Topic: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2012-10-10 11:05:34 and read 10472 times.

Hi,

As reported back in August Virgin are starting domestic flights next March in the UK with A319s.

I read somewhere these will be wet leased but are these going to wear Virgin livery and if they do will they be branded Virgin UK, Domestic or keep the Atlantic brand?

Does any one know how many buses they are to receive too and who the aircraft will be leased from?

Cheers

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-10-10 11:39:02 and read 10314 times.

Quoting bluesky73 (Thread starter):

I read somewhere these will be wet leased but are these going to wear Virgin livery and if they do will they be branded Virgin UK, Domestic or keep the Atlantic brand?

They will wear the Virgin Atlantic livery.

Quoting bluesky73 (Thread starter):

Does any one know how many buses they are to receive too and who the aircraft will be leased from?

So far it is just one for the MAN-LHR operation but this could be expanded if they get the ABZ/EDI slots in December.

No word on the wet lease provider just yet.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: david_itl
Posted 2012-10-10 11:52:24 and read 10220 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 1):
So far it is just one for the MAN-LHR operation but

It's meant to be 2 and both are to be based at MAN.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: fruitbat
Posted 2012-10-10 12:11:47 and read 10105 times.

Now that the government have back-tracked on awarding the west coast franchise, will Virgin still be going ahead with this plan should they retain the operation of this line? Or are the two businesses totally separate and share branding only?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19810845

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: david_itl
Posted 2012-10-10 12:18:22 and read 10033 times.

totally separate. They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD will disappear and the lack of competition on MAN-LHR

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-10-10 12:24:33 and read 9999 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):
They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD

My understanding is that BA codeshare, is it such a problem.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: fruitbat
Posted 2012-10-10 12:25:51 and read 9999 times.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 4):

totally separate. They are concerned that the feed they were getting ex-BD will disappear and the lack of competition on MAN-LHR

Ok thanks. Interesting coincidence of timing then!

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: by738
Posted 2012-10-10 14:15:20 and read 9567 times.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 5):

"“Our aim is to reach a significant new base of both direct and connecting passengers,” VS CEO Steve Ridgway said. VS hopes to use the services, at least partially, as feeders for its long-haul services"

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: vfw614
Posted 2012-10-10 14:17:41 and read 9559 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 1):

No word on the wet lease provider just yet.

Really? I seem to remember that Cyprus Airways was mentioned as the source of the aircraft.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: APYu
Posted 2012-10-10 14:19:03 and read 9542 times.

It will deffo feed the long haul, with both crew and passengers

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: bluesky73
Posted 2012-10-10 14:54:51 and read 9376 times.

Thanks for updates, it will certainly be interesting to see how they get on with the MAN route and if they get the go ahead for ABZ/EDI in December.

Also good to see A319s in Virgin Atlantic livery especially as the BMI buses are gradually disappearing.

I just wonder how SRB will market this for next year.....

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-10-10 15:20:26 and read 9286 times.

Quoting vfw614 (Reply 8):
I seem to remember that Cyprus Airways was mentioned as the source of the aircraft.

That would make sense as apparently Cyprus Airways had to return two LHR slots leased from VS to allow the new MAN service to start. Maybe leasing a couple of spare A319s from Cyprus Airways is, to a degree, compensation for surrendering the slots.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: f4f3a
Posted 2012-10-11 02:05:18 and read 7560 times.

I have heard a rumour that SAS aircraft were being wet leased.
Although I would have thought Cyprus would be cheaper.
Another option I would have thought would be monarch. They are moving
into short haul scheduled only ops, this would be good for both airlines and allow for expansion.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: jwhite9185
Posted 2012-10-11 10:51:58 and read 4361 times.

Quoting f4f3a (Reply 12):
Another option I would have thought would be monarch.

Could be as VS have been/will be leasing one of their A333's to Monarch.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-10-11 12:20:13 and read 4050 times.

Monarch don't have any A319's. What's your source for VS leasing an A333 to ZB ?? 1st I've heard about this.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: by738
Posted 2012-10-11 12:30:03 and read 4020 times.

Quoting TC957 (Reply 14):
Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 13):
leasing one of their A333's to Monarch

a short lease to cover maintenance of theirs ? Thought all VS A330's were now spoken for

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: sevenheavy
Posted 2012-10-11 12:41:28 and read 3974 times.

Quoting jwhite9185 (Reply 13):

VS aren't leasing an A333 to monarch, they're just doing a few weekly charters to MCO for them.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: Vasu
Posted 2012-10-12 13:50:52 and read 3465 times.

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 16):

Don't Monarch fly to SFB rather than MCO?

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: sevenheavy
Posted 2012-10-13 01:01:52 and read 3096 times.

Quoting Vasu (Reply 17):

Yes, but the charters are going to MCO. Probably because VS have a significant operation at MCO so the cost would be much lower, and the difference to the customer is, if anything, a positive one due to MCO's slightly more preferable location.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: antonovman
Posted 2012-10-13 02:55:05 and read 2940 times.

I think if Branson gets the train licence for another 5 or 10 years he will ditch the MAN-LHR flights
I can't see him making any money flying 3 x a day just to try and feed his longhaul flights
he will probably blame the whole mess on BA or the government when he loses a load of money running half full planes to MAN.

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: by738
Posted 2012-10-13 04:44:37 and read 2759 times.

but the plan is to share the aircraft on a W- pattern with the potentially more lucrative ABZ /EDI (As the train time is longer), so to add MAN (where the aircraft would be based) is just an add on allowing 3 extra flights.
Can't really see why WCM would have an impact as the idea was first mooted way before he lost the contract for rail

Topic: RE: Virgin UK Domestic A319s Question?
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2012-10-13 05:12:18 and read 2678 times.

Quoting antonovman (Reply 19):
I can't see him making any money flying 3 x a day just to try and feed his longhaul flights

But the flights won't just feed VS' long-haul services ex-LHR. VS will be selling some of the seats to non-Oneworld carriers who would prefer not to use BA as a domestic feeder carrier and, of course, the VS domestic flights will be using a more convenient terminal at LHR.


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