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Topic: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 20:18:53 and read 16934 times.

AA announced today their plans to hire 1500 flight attendants starting Jan 2013.

Here is an excerpt from AA announcement to its current flight attendants:

Now, on to some exciting news that I’m very happy to confirm. We’re at an interesting and rather unique juncture in regard to our flight attendant corps, because with the exception of our new Mandarin speakers hired in 2011, we will soon be able to do something that we haven’t been able to do since 2001: hire new flight attendants in November 2012! With 2,256 flight attendants electing to separate from the company via VEOP or TSP, along with our need to begin an aggressive training schedule to prepare for combined operations as well as our new Premium services, we’re planning to hire more than 1500 new flight attendants over a 12 month period. We look forward to welcoming new faces and working together to bring a fresh energy to our team, while at the same time giving current flight attendants the opportunity to move up the seniority list and many will no longer serve reserve.

To meet this goal, we have developed a “hire for fit” recruitment process that will work to identify and select candidates who can join our current flight attendants to deliver an excellent customer service experience that aligns with the new American.

Candidates will complete an online assessment that measures their personality, situational judgment and cultural fit to ensure that they can deliver an exceptional onboard experience. We’ll also be looking for some specific areas of expertise, particularly in language skills. If you know of someone, a friend or neighbor, who you think fits the bill, please let them know that we are hiring and encourage them to apply at www.aacareers.com starting November 5, 2012.


AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-10-16 20:33:06 and read 16844 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
along with our need to begin an aggressive training schedule to prepare for combined operations as well as our new Premium services

What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations? And are all F/As being up-skilled for new premium services in-flight?

Nice for the current crew to move up the seniority list I imagine!

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: jetmatt777
Posted 2012-10-16 20:33:41 and read 16834 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
to prepare for combined operations

Merger?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: commavia
Posted 2012-10-16 20:34:32 and read 16825 times.

Nice news indeed. Thanks for sharing.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
We’ll also be looking for some specific areas of expertise, particularly in language skills.

I personally will be interested to see which languages in particular they are looking for.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

PBS?

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
And are all F/As being up-skilled for new premium services in-flight?

Is this referring to the new 777s?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: Squid
Posted 2012-10-16 20:35:11 and read 16832 times.

I thought the Minister of Flight Attendants, the Aluminum Lady, said they were trying to get rid of flight attendants.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: Super80DFW
Posted 2012-10-16 20:35:39 and read 16832 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?
Quoting jetmatt777 (Reply 2):
Merger?

This means that FA crew bases will no longer be segregated between domestic and international (over-water) operations.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: dcann40
Posted 2012-10-16 20:37:19 and read 16807 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

Combined bases (like JFK and LGA) so cabin crew can fly any route, domestic or international.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 20:38:43 and read 16781 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 1):
What does this mean may I ask, what combined operations?

ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained. Starting in Nov 2012 through Dec 2013, AA will train approx. 440 domestic fa's A MONTH on the international operation. Training is minimum 11 days up to 18 days depending on current aircraft qualifications. Eventually, ALL AA fa's will be trained international

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 20:42:18 and read 16750 times.

Quoting commavia (Reply 3):
Is this referring to the new 777s?

All current international fa's are required to attend IPE training.. International Premium Experience. Rolling out Dec 2, AA will enhance their premium service for both business and f/c international service..

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-10-16 21:18:38 and read 16564 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 7):
ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained. Starting in Nov 2012 through Dec 2013, AA will train approx. 440 domestic fa's A MONTH on the international operation. Training is minimum 11 days up to 18 days depending on current aircraft qualifications. Eventually, ALL AA fa's will be trained international

Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic? Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained? If not what is the break down of international to domestic FAs, how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority? Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft (PSS, IFM, CSS, CSM, Purser) or is it simply the most senior crew member of the day?

So many questions, forgive me I find it very interesting the comparisons between American carriers, Asian, Middle-Eastern and Aussie ones!

I would imagine having one pool of FAs would result in significant cost reductions for the company and stream line proccess!

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 8):
All current international fa's are required to attend IPE training.. International Premium Experience. Rolling out Dec 2, AA will enhance their premium service for both business and f/c international service..

Interesting, sounds like a positive change! How long does the course go for? I wonder what will be covered?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 21:38:45 and read 16481 times.

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Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic?

Currently there are 2 divisions... domestic and international.. Each division has their own reserve pool.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained?

Yes

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority

Yes, when there are openings at a particular international base, there is a proffer which is open to all flight attendans system wide. Once the dom/intl operations are merged, any fa will be able to bid any trip. It will all be seniority based at that point.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft

Yes, on all international flights, there is a purser position. Also, all domestic wide body aircraft are also staffed with a purser.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
How long does the course go for?

This course is currently being offered to all international flight attendants. It is an enhancement course which is 1 day (8 hrs) enhancement class. The enchancements to international first/business class will begin Dec. 2

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
I would imagine having one pool of FAs would result in significant cost reductions for the company and stream line proccess!

This is the company objective. Current domestic flight attendants will begin 2 week intl training in November and AA will training approx 440 domestic flight attendant a month through 2013.

AA ORD

[Edited 2012-10-16 21:40:22]

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-10-16 21:44:48 and read 16446 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
giving current flight attendants the opportunity to move up the seniority list and many will no longer serve reserve.

How does reserve at AA work? Is it that there have been FAs sitting around for 10 years waiting for a phone call, or do they do one month on reserve and then one month active?

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 7):
ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained.

Am I right in thinking that this brings them into line with DL and US? Does sUA have separate intl and dom crews? I'm pretty sure that sCO does, but I'm sure that UA is looking for an integrated list under the common contract.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-10-16 21:52:58 and read 16397 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 9):
Are there two categories international and domestic or is it domestic reserve and international/domestic? Are all international FAs already currently domestically trained? If not what is the break down of international to domestic FAs, how does one move between the categories or is it all seniority? Does AA have a senior FA position on-board the aircraft (PSS, IFM, CSS, CSM, Purser) or is it simply the most senior crew member of the day?

Lots of questions indeed, but I'll tackle 'em for ya!

First, the only difference between domestic and international flight attendants is international flight attendants hold an overwater qualification, meaning they're trained in ditching procedures. Domestic flight attendants are not currently trained for overwater duty. We are currently segregated, but if staffing requires international flight attendants will sometimes get a domestic trip on reserve, but a domestic flight attendant (currently) would never get an international trip. As more and more domestic flight attendants are trained in overwater procedures, scheduling will begin to utilize them on international trips only if staffing is short. Once preferential bidding, or PBS, becomes effective (late 2013, early 2014) all flight attendants will be trained for overwater flights and can bid both overwater and non-overwater trips. There will no longer be an "international" and "domestic" pool of flight attendants... we'll al be combined.

American has Pursers onboard all overwater flights, and on domestic widebody flights. The position is a bid position, but you must hold the Purser qualification in order to bid it. You become Purser qualified by proffering for it when there are openings, and your seniority dictates whether you hold the proffer. Once you successfully hold the proffer, you then must go through a screening process to ensure you have the right disposition and skills for the job. Not everyone who holds the proffer becomes a Purser. Once you hold the Purser qualification, you bid for the position, like any other. Unlike some airlines, when we bid our schedule we not only bid our line (an entire month's worth of trips), but we also bid for the position we'll be working on those trips.

As for the new International Premium Experience (IPE), which begins December 2, all overwater qualified flight attendants must attend a one day training to learn the new procedures. If the new IPE qualification is not obtained by December, those flight attendants will not be able to bid International Flagship Service trips (Europe, deep South America, Asia) beginning in December. All domestic flight attendants will receive the IPE training when they get their overwater qualification.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: infinit
Posted 2012-10-16 21:53:01 and read 16400 times.

It'd be difficult for an airline the scale of AA, and while I'm sure their FAs are well trained for emergencies, they need to have more consistency when it comes to service. Perhaps if the training course could features some modules specifically on service.. like responding to requests from pax and on serving meals etc

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: usflyguy
Posted 2012-10-16 21:55:05 and read 16380 times.

Not all AA FA's are currently certified on all ac types which complicates their operations even more but that's all changing.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: qqflyboy
Posted 2012-10-16 21:58:01 and read 16369 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
How does reserve at AA work? Is it that there have been FAs sitting around for 10 years waiting for a phone call, or do they do one month on reserve and then one month active?

For the first three years, reserve is one month on, one month off. Once you complete three years, reserve is one month on, three months off, until you can hold off reserve. That will not be the case with new hires though. They'll see 3-6 reserve days every month, similar to DL's reserve system of 'A' days.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Am I right in thinking that this brings them into line with DL and US? Does sUA have separate intl and dom crews? I'm pretty sure that sCO does, but I'm sure that UA is looking for an integrated list under the common contract.

UA has combined ops, but I'm not sure about CO.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-10-16 22:04:01 and read 16339 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 15):
For the first three years, reserve is one month on, one month off. Once you complete three years, reserve is one month on, three months off, until you can hold off reserve.

Thanks for that. Given that everyone has at least 11 years seniority then I'm guessing that reserve runs pretty high up the seniority list if "junior" FAs are on reserve 25% of the time?

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 15):
They'll see 3-6 reserve days every month, similar to DL's reserve system of 'A' days.

That's always struck me as fairer as it allows for better financial certainty

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 22:10:57 and read 16297 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 16):
Thanks for that. Given that everyone has at least 11 years seniority then I'm guessing that reserve runs pretty high up the seniority list if "junior" FAs are on reserve 25% of the time?

Domestic reserve is up to 23 years at some bases. Intl varies by base but some intl bases (lax) is even more senior.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-16 22:18:06 and read 16256 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Thread starter):
we will soon be able to do something that we haven’t been able to do since 2001

AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.  
Quoting usflyguy (Reply 14):

Not all AA FA's are currently certified on all ac types which complicates their operations even more but that's all changing.

How is it changing? I'm curious. Will the F/As be like DL and certified for all types or is there another system?

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-10-16 22:23:05 and read 16242 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.

2001? What does that mean?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: smi0006
Posted 2012-10-16 22:25:36 and read 16234 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
First, the only difference between domestic and international flight attendants is international flight attendants hold an overwater qualification, meaning they're trained in ditching procedures. Domestic flight attendants are not currently trained for overwater duty.

Domestic FAs aren't trained in ditching!?! What happens with airports with water near by? Like the US flight in the hudson?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 22:28:30 and read 16215 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
How is it changing? I'm curious. Will the F/As be like DL and certified for all types or is there another system?


Iniitally, all fa's will be qualified on domestic and international operations. Eventually, all fa's will be qualified on all equipment.

Quoting skycub (Reply 19):
2001? What does that mean?

2001 was the last year that flight attendants were hired, with the exception of a small number of Mandarin speakers.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-10-16 22:31:41 and read 16207 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 21):

2001 was the last year that flight attendants were hired, with the exception of a small number of Mandarin speakers.

No... I understand that. I am aware of the fact that AA had training classes going on up and through 9/11.

I was questioning:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):

AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-16 22:34:49 and read 16190 times.

Quoting skycub (Reply 22):
No... I understand that. I am aware of the fact that AA had training classes going on up and through 9/11.

I was questioning:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):
AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.

Sarcasm.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: stratosphere
Posted 2012-10-16 22:36:53 and read 16175 times.

Who would want to work for them is my question. I am ex NWA and lost my 17 years with them as a mechanic and even I am glad I never went to work for AA. On the mechanic side they are pathetic. Their union sucks and they have taken concessions as long as I can remember and I started in this industry in the early 80's. I am sure the F/A's are not fairing much better.

[Edited 2012-10-16 22:37:49]

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-10-16 22:40:23 and read 16688 times.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 20):
Domestic FAs aren't trained in ditching!?! What happens with airports with water near by? Like the US flight in the hudson?

In the United States there is a different level of "ditching" training.

There is the, I hate to call it "basic" ditching training (but that is what it is) involving life vests and using the evacuation slides as rafts.... and the "full-scale" ditching training involving life-rafts.

I think all domestic U.S. flight attendants get the "basic" training pertaining to ditching.... but U.S. flight attendants flying long-haul over-water flights actually have to go through the training of retrieving life rafts out of the ceiling compartments and "getting in the pool" and getting wet.

While both domestic-only and international flight attendants at U.S. carriers are trained in ditching... the intensity of the training varies greatly.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: jacobcal
Posted 2012-10-16 22:48:08 and read 16591 times.

Can anyone actually recall the last time AA hired flight attendants? This company needs a breathe of life injected into its flight attendant group. Good luck to the candidates to that apply, but more importantly, good luck to this company.

AA holds a special place in my heart, as it was the first airline I worked at from 1996-1998. My training class was pushed back because of the Cali crash. I came on at a very interesting time. I practically flew around the world on AA when I got hired at the age of 18 to work in reservations at the SRO near DFW. To have no responsibilities and to work at a major airline, ah, those were the days.

I went to CO when AA wouldn't hire me for Flight Attendant because I was to tall. I would still call that the best decision I ever made, however, AA is AA. And I love them.

Jaocbcal

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-10-16 22:50:37 and read 16841 times.

Quoting jacobcal (Reply 26):
Can anyone actually recall the last time AA hired flight attendants?
AA was actively hiring flight attendants through 2001.

They actually had a class going through training when the horrific events of 9/11 took place.

In fact, in the months leading up to 9/11, AA had flight attendant classes graduating on a nearly weekly basis.

The people in that class were sent home.

The people from the previous classes were furloughed.

[Edited 2012-10-16 22:53:45]

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: dcann40
Posted 2012-10-16 23:43:27 and read 16572 times.

Quoting jacobcal (Reply 26):
Can anyone actually recall the last time AA hired flight attendants?

Not that long ago - it was 2011.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-10-16 23:47:34 and read 16554 times.

Quoting dcann40 (Reply 28):

Not that long ago - it was 2011.

2011? Just last year, huh?

Not according to my information.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-17 07:21:54 and read 15384 times.

Quoting skycub (Reply 22):
I was questioning:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 18):

AA couldn't have hired F/As that recently.


The   meant it was a joke.     

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-10-17 08:32:02 and read 14653 times.

Skycub, if you reread the OP it says they hired Mandarin speakers in 2011.

Does this Summer 01 hiring mean that they were hiring off the street AND integrating TW at the same time? If so were these new hirees places below TW on the seniority list?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flyfree727
Posted 2012-10-17 08:40:52 and read 14600 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Does this Summer 01 hiring mean that they were hiring off the street AND integrating TW at the same time? If so were these new hirees places below TW on the seniority list?

Yes. AA was hiring and doing integrating training at the same time. TWA had seniority date of Apr 2001. So all those hired between Apr 2001 and Sep 2001 were junior to TWA fa's.. AA sent home classes that were IN TRAINING during 9/11. The first major furlough came in Jul 2003, after the restructuring agreements were "reached." AA had approx 24,000 f/a's at that time, but with the removal of domestic meal service in main cabin, staffing levels plummeted. Today I believe AA has approx 17,000 active fa's, with 2256 opting to leave by Sep2013. AA is citing 1500-2000 fa's hired in 2013. I would imagine it will actually be an on-going process for years.

AA ORD

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: caliboy78
Posted 2012-10-17 09:17:00 and read 14284 times.

So what's the average monthly income including all per diem, language, etc for an AA flight attendant (or new hire)

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: daron4000
Posted 2012-10-17 09:18:24 and read 14226 times.

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 12):
As for the new International Premium Experience (IPE), which begins December 2, all overwater qualified flight attendants must attend a one day training to learn the new procedures. If the new IPE qualification is not obtained by December, those flight attendants will not be able to bid International Flagship Service trips (Europe, deep South America, Asia) beginning in December. All domestic flight attendants will receive the IPE training when they get their overwater qualification.

Surprised no one has asked this yet but have you or anyone you know attended the IPE training yet? What does it entail and are there any improvements to the product that passengers can expect post Dec. 2?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: CONTACREW
Posted 2012-10-17 10:14:41 and read 13744 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 11):
Am I right in thinking that this brings them into line with DL and US? Does sUA have separate intl and dom crews? I'm pretty sure that sCO does, but I'm sure that UA is looking for an integrated list under the common contract.

At sCO our Newark & Houston FA bases are subdivided into International, Domestic & Speaker. But that don't mean FAs can't work a certain flight. For example a NTA (Newark International FA) reserve FA can be called to work an EWR domestic trip, or an EWR domestic reserve can be called to work an NTA trip. Also once the 787s start actually flying passengers those trips will be flown out of the NTA (Newark International) and HTA (Houston International) FA base regardless if it's flying between EWR - IAH or IAH - AMS.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: brilondon
Posted 2012-10-17 11:56:04 and read 12962 times.

Quoting flyfree727 (Reply 7):
ALL domestic fa's that are subject to reserve will be required to become intl trained. Starting in Nov 2012 through Dec 2013, AA will train approx. 440 domestic fa's A MONTH on the international operation. Training is minimum 11 days up to 18 days depending on current aircraft qualifications. Eventually, ALL AA fa's will be trained international

I fly often on international flights but did not realize that there are specialized roles for the FA's. What are the differences between domestic and international FA's?

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: flygbear
Posted 2012-10-17 17:17:45 and read 11134 times.

I don't buy it, other than AA having enough FA's on reserve to eventually doing something to eliminate senior, much higher paid FA versus the new-hire off the street. Otherwise, Crew Schedulers will hear what I heard, in that they "cannot be assigned enough legs to make any money, let alone any flight time at all." The only thing a bankruptcy-ridden major airline CEO is looking for, is to his his multi-million dollar bonus to get the same companiy out of bankruptcy, which he led into bankruptcy. During the bankruptcy procedure airlines CEO's shop for water-front property, while the little guy who consitutes a number on paper in the front offices is sweating it out hoping he'/she doesn't have to deal with the unemployment offices.

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: allegiantflyer
Posted 2012-10-18 06:57:27 and read 9866 times.

It sounds like AA wants to replace all the old Senior mamas with younger ones  

Topic: RE: AA To Hire 1500 Flight Attendants In 2013
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-10-18 08:42:33 and read 9765 times.

I'm glad to see them hiring. Being a flight attendant for 15 years was one of the best things I ever did. But, I was 22 years old when I started. That's the key to hiring F/A's: they either need to be young (i.e. just starting out and accustomed to not having any money); old (as in retired and doesn't need the money); or married to someone who makes enough money to cover living costs. Based on AA's new pay scales, if a new hire flew 100 hours every single month (basically working every day), even with per diem, we're looking at less than $30,000 per year. Maybe that's a living wage to some, but in NYC or Chicago or Miami, that won't get you far. Of course, most new hires will make closer to $21,000-$25,000 per year.
I do think having so many new faces on board will help with morale though. They say if a new hire can make it through the first 5 years, they will stay. Most quit within the first 5 years (so I'm told by friends who are InFlight managers).


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