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Topic: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-10-18 09:59:50 and read 12363 times.

Ok, I was watching The Travel Channel's new television series "Airport 24/7: Miami" (Great series by the way!!) and I saw something very interesting. Specifically on the Tuesday October 16th episode about halfway through. The cameras went to a remote part of what appeared to be the MIA airport and they were reporting about an old MD-80 (I think) which the owner hadn't paid storage fees on in a while. The airport then decided to scrap it and sell the metal and parts for $60,000.

I think the bigger story is that in the background of the MD-80 I saw about 10-12 other older looking airplanes parked in what appeared to be a storage area well far away from the Control Tower (I saw a tall brown-ish Control Tower in the background). One of the aircraft looked like a DC-10 with a lime green tail.

Is there really long-term storage at MIA airport and if so, why MIA? Isn't it too wet and humid for storage?

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-10-18 10:10:15 and read 12327 times.

Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
The airport then decided to scrap it and sell the metal and parts for $60,000.

To be clear:

They actually cut the tail off "On-Location" during this episode!

Also, I pulled up the current Google Earth image at MIA and I didin't see any signs of a graveyard. Maybe the Miami Airport Authority owns the other Miami airports too and perhaps there is some storage going on there...?

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2012-10-18 10:16:49 and read 12280 times.

Opa Locka i think having seen it. The hangars shown in that segment didn't look like any i recognized from recent visits to MIA? OPF is also a home to a couple aircraft "recyclers" and a large number of private aircraft.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: N62NA
Posted 2012-10-18 11:31:42 and read 12002 times.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 2):
Opa Locka i think having seen it. The hangars shown in that segment didn't look like any i recognized from recent visits to MIA? OPF is also a home to a couple aircraft "recyclers" and a large number of private aircraft.

I didn't see the show, but reading the description in the OP, yes, Opa Locka seems to be the likely candidate.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: flymia
Posted 2012-10-18 11:37:15 and read 11963 times.

MIA has a good amount of maintenance areas for such a small amount of land the airport covers but long term and remote parking its not a thing it does much of anymore. There are some older planes parked at MIA once in a while and some planes that are parked there for a while but I am pretty sure what you are talking about is in OPF.
OPF is also ran by Miami-Dade aviation Dept.

Quoting michiganatc (Thread starter):
One of the aircraft looked like a DC-10 with a lime green tail.

This one?

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OPF has always been a scrap yard, not so much in long term parking as you said it is not the best place for that with the humidity and salty air.


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Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: A388
Posted 2012-10-18 11:42:34 and read 11902 times.

MIA doesn't really have a long term aircraft storage area even though there are quite a few aircraft that have been parked in front of the MRO's facilities for quite some time now. The Hewabora 762 and a few MD80's come to mind (Santabara Airlines and Surinam Airways) and some Douglas props. But, there has never been an aircraft fully scrapped on location in MIA, at least not that I know of (otherwise there would have been photos in the database by now). It looks like the OP saw images or footage from OPF and not MIA.

A388

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: cybergus
Posted 2012-10-18 11:45:36 and read 11888 times.

I've been living here for 4 years now and never ever noticed a graveyard at MIA nor FLL. As flymia said there are many maintenance companies right next to the NW 36th ST (Such as Comodore, Commercial Aviation, etc) that hold aircrafts to be repaired, repainted, fitted, etc. Most probably, as the images that flymia brought up can show, the episode was filmed at OPF where most of the old frames get scrapped. Not so long ago there were some frames from VIASA, Aerolineas Argentinas, Air Plus Comet, to mention some... Also OPF serves a very important amount of private flights and serves as a base for some maintanenance companies too.

Cheers

Tavo

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-18 15:50:53 and read 11446 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
But, there has never been an aircraft fully scrapped on location in MIA, at least not that I know of (otherwise there would have been photos in the database by now). It looks like the OP saw images or footage from OPF and not MIA.

Never is an absolute word.that I am always reticent to use.

I lived in Miami Springs from 1977 to 1981 and flew cargo a/c out of the infamous "Corrision Corner" on the northwest section of MIA. I personally saw at least one each of the following aircraft types completely scrapped on site at MIA.

DC-3, DC-4, DC-6, DC-6B, DC-7B and C, DC-8, B-707, B-720, Lockheed Constellation 749 through 1049, Curtis C-46, Convair 240, Martin 202 and 404, Lockheed L-188 Electra, Bristol Britania, Canadair CL-44, and TWO De Havilland Comets - a 2A and a 4C!

MIA was the coolest place to start a flying career...

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: carpethead
Posted 2012-10-18 16:44:09 and read 11300 times.

Quoting cybergus (Reply 6):
I've been living here for 4 years now and never ever noticed a graveyard at MIA nor FLL

FLL used to have numerous Airborne Express YS-11s stored there. Until around 2000, both airports were known to have numerous stored aircraft. I suppose both airports wanted to clean up their image.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-10-18 17:20:33 and read 11216 times.

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
MIA doesn't really have a long term aircraft storage area even though there are quite a few aircraft that have been parked in front of the MRO's facilities for quite some time now. The Hewabora 762 and a few MD80's come to mind (Santabara Airlines and Surinam Airways) and some Douglas props.

That must be it. When I went through MIA on September 30 I noticed a mini-graveyard on the far side of the airfield from the terminal buildings. What really caught my eye was a QF 737-400 which had been abandoned sans titles  

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-18 18:33:59 and read 11014 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 8):
I've been living here for 4 years now and never ever noticed a graveyard at MIA nor FLL

The YS-11s were still at FLL six months ago. They have been there for nearly 15 years.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-10-18 18:56:23 and read 10953 times.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 7):



Wow, the days of "Corrosion Corner." Brings back memories of that old Convair 880 in front of the Baker school of aviation. As I said in many other threads; it's a sin that MIA is neglecting their rich aviation history. Their web site has lacked a history section for several years.   

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-18 20:32:49 and read 10766 times.

Zippyjet, when I was in Miami in the late '70s it was an ex-Belize Airways/ex-United Airlines Boeing 720 at the George T. Baker school. But a Convair 880 almost ended up there in about 1978 when it overran 27L and stopped just short of LeJuene Road!

Do you remember who G.T. Baker was?

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-10-18 21:51:03 and read 10652 times.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 12):
Do you remember who G.T. Baker was?

I'll admit, I'm now having a senior moment. And a few weeks ago when i flew home from MIA I noticed a military jet in front of the Baker school. Did some also call Corrosion Corner "Cockroach Alley or Corner.?"

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: DL_Mech
Posted 2012-10-18 21:58:44 and read 10637 times.

It looks like it was this a/c:


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Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-18 22:04:25 and read 10613 times.

Corrosion corner and Cochroach corner were the main nicknames.

George T. Baker was the founder of National Airlines. He moved the company from Jacksonville to Miami in 1940 and built a beautiful new hangar and office building. By the late '50s National needed more space so they built that giant cantilever hangar accross Lejuene road, later the final National hangar/headquaters was put up in 1974 near the main terminal.

Baker donated the original hangar and offices to the Dade County school system provided they named it after him.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: doulasc
Posted 2012-10-19 04:15:52 and read 8222 times.

Is the one super connie still there for fire training.people use to call it Clipper Dick?

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: Sinlock
Posted 2012-10-19 05:17:46 and read 7614 times.

Quoting carpethead (Reply 8):
FLL used to have numerous Airborne Express YS-11s stored there. Until around 2000, both airports were known to have numerous stored aircraft.

The 4 YS-11's are still there, and so is the Gulfstream I thats tucked into the middle of them. Most of the C402's that were stored there have been choped or had the wing spar's repaired.

About 6-8 months ago we saw one of the YS-11's get pulled out onto Taxiway Echo and an idle runup was done of the #1 engine.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-19 06:54:36 and read 6496 times.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 16):
Is the one super connie still there for fire training.people use to call it Clipper Dick?

N880 is long gone. When I fly into MIA now, it just doesn't seem the same. As the ship captains of the early 20th century who remember when the harbors were filled with sails, and then saw only smoke and steam.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: PhotoLPPT
Posted 2012-10-19 07:35:43 and read 5955 times.

Hi all,

This thread prompted me to check both airports on Google Earth. Good sights!  

Re OPF, Google Earth images show a 747 classic with blue engines parked there, any ideia which aircraft it is?

thanks!

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: wingsofman72
Posted 2012-10-19 08:44:40 and read 5063 times.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 12):
But a Convair 880 almost ended up there in about 1978 when it overran 27L and stopped just short of LeJuene Road!

I too was in MIA during the 70s-80s and was a great place. As it happens I was working at Eastern the night this happened and saw it run off the end of 9L (was not 27L).
We were working on a 727 outside (as aircraft cleaners if you can believe that now) on the south side of the T hangar when the 880 came down the runway making a lot of noise, and we all knew it couldn't stop. The amazing thing is it just about did and went off nose into the ditch. Thankfully nobody was seriously hurt, but as in the recent TV show about the 727 intentional crash in Mexico, the engines (or at least some) kept running for hours, and were still going when I went home about 8am I think.

Was one scary thing to see, and from then on any long takeoffs were watched with new interest, and there were a lot on those days with DC-8s, 707s and even the prop jobs from corsion corner.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: superjeff
Posted 2012-10-19 08:55:06 and read 4945 times.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 12):
Do you remember who G.T. Baker

Founder of National Airlines.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: B737900
Posted 2012-10-19 09:14:58 and read 4676 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
As I said in many other threads; it's a sin that MIA is neglecting their rich aviation history.

Having only passed through MIA several times I have never had the opportunity to visit any air museums in that area. Are there not any museums of flight or other efforts to capture that rich aviation history? I'm thinking of early PanAm and their extensive history down there. Regards to all.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-10-19 09:39:14 and read 4375 times.

Quoting wingsofman72 (Reply 20):
I too was in MIA during the 70s-80s and was a great place. As it happens I was working at Eastern the night this happened and saw it run off the end of 9L (was not 27L).

Doh! 20,000 hours and 40 years of flying and I can't even figure out runways!

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-10-19 10:03:09 and read 4110 times.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 9):
What really caught my eye was a QF 737-400 which had been abandoned sans titles

It's being converted to a freighrt.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-10-19 10:05:27 and read 4208 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 11):
Brings back memories of that old Convair 880 in front of the Baker school of aviation.

It was a 707 or 720 . Scrapped a few years ago. Replaced my an AA MD80.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: cybergus
Posted 2012-10-19 10:12:59 and read 4172 times.

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Reply 19):
Re OPF, Google Earth images show a 747 classic with blue engines parked there, any ideia which aircraft it is?

It might be an Air Plus Comet 747 that was there not so long ago. I don't know if it was scrapped already.

Quoting B737900 (Reply 22):
Are there not any museums of flight or other efforts to capture that rich aviation history?

Yes. Indeed the Pan Am museum is over here. Also the University of Miami holds a vast collection of items from back then. There is also a project that put back to the skies an Eastern DC-7. They did some flights to EYW from OPF. Here is the link http://www.conniesurvivors.com/1-n836d_jul10_article.htm

Cheers.

Tavo

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: bennett123
Posted 2012-10-19 10:25:16 and read 4205 times.

http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...b&sort_order=year+desc&thumbnails=

It was B720-022 and was scrapped in 2003.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: PhotoLPPT
Posted 2012-10-19 12:23:22 and read 3977 times.

Quoting cybergus (Reply 26):
It might be an Air Plus Comet 747 that was there not so long ago. I don't know if it was scrapped already.

Thanks. On closer inspection it sure looks like it.  

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: OB1504
Posted 2012-10-21 16:58:34 and read 3402 times.

Quoting PhotoLPPT (Reply 19):
Re OPF, Google Earth images show a 747 classic with blue engines parked there, any ideia which aircraft it is?

As mentioned earlier, it's a former Air Plus Comet Boeing 747-200, registered J2-KCV. It was still there as of two months ago.


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I feel so inadequate doing a runup in a Cessna 152 next to a 747!   

When MIA's Corrosion Corner was cleaned up, a lot of the operations moved up to OPF, which has a neat mix of commercial airliners such as a 767 awaiting scrapping, while DC-3s taxi by in active service!

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: Navion
Posted 2012-10-21 17:09:09 and read 3368 times.

Has anyone noticed the aircraft in question is a DC-9 and not an MD-80?

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-10-21 17:13:49 and read 3364 times.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 15):
Corrosion corner and Cochroach corner were the main nicknames.

George T. Baker was the founder of National Airlines. He moved the company from Jacksonville to Miami in 1940 and built a beautiful new hangar and office building. By the late '50s National needed more space so they built that giant cantilever hangar accross Lejuene road, later the final National hangar/headquaters was put up in 1974 near the main terminal.

Baker donated the original hangar and offices to the Dade County school system provided they named it after him.

When National was still using that hanger on the east side of LeJuene Road in the early 60's, there were huge railroad crossing gates that would come down and stop traffic so they could taxi the planes across the multilane road. That building became the George T. Baker School as I recall.

Topic: RE: Airplane Graveyard In Miami?!
Username: N312RM
Posted 2012-10-22 09:35:48 and read 2964 times.

In addition to the MRO's based on the North side of MIA, there is also a company that performs P2F conversions of the B737 classic and DC9/MD80 aircraft.


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