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Topic: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-10-30 08:18:23 and read 8082 times.

Just heard this on the travel agent's news bulletin that BA will no serve MAN - LGW after end of March.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2012-10-30 08:27:57 and read 8041 times.

It's now been confirmed by BA. Service will end on March 31 next year.

http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...a-to-drop-gatwick-manchester-route

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: fcogafa
Posted 2012-10-30 08:31:27 and read 8014 times.

One for FlyBE to pick up?

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-10-30 08:31:42 and read 8014 times.

Seriously???? I wonder why? The flights ive taken between MAN and LGW have always been full. Plus its an easy connection for me to get to the caribbean, but I guess theres always LHR.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: joshrice
Posted 2012-10-30 08:42:51 and read 7939 times.

Perhaps we should now expect an easyJet announcement for flights to Manchester!

I am surprised by this news. As said above, usually good loads. Another step towards the end of the Gatwick base? Just this morning on Bloomberg there was a note that BA will be reviewing the Gatwick base fleet for future developments. Or something along those lines anyway.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-10-30 08:45:17 and read 7929 times.

This is shocking news. Hopefully BE or EZY will pick up the route.
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: Flyingfox27
Posted 2012-10-30 08:49:24 and read 7892 times.

I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off which is sad because the earliest time i could arrive at MAN to spend the day there would be close to 12pm which means i miss the bulk of the morning traffic i would like to photograph.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: simpsondude
Posted 2012-10-30 09:13:01 and read 7742 times.

I am very surprised to hear this. Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: madhatter
Posted 2012-10-30 10:03:14 and read 7482 times.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: Pe@rson
Posted 2012-10-30 10:09:20 and read 7432 times.

Quoting simpsondude (Reply 7):
Won't be long before U2 move in and scoop up the route

Very, very, very much doubt it.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: LondonCity
Posted 2012-10-30 10:47:15 and read 7236 times.

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

Re: Flybe SOU-MAN
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-10-30 11:39:43 and read 7047 times.

Yes, I was booked on the early morning SOU-MAN flight 23 Nov to have a few hours at MAN before heading to my company's conference later on that day but had an email from Flybe saying flight is now at 11.10.  

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-10-30 12:07:39 and read 6923 times.

It was rumoured in another place that EZY were looking closely at MAN-LGW. As soon as they dumped the MAN nightstopper this route was dead. Flown it many times, always a bargain and seldom busy.
Another LGW route more suited to the B733/B735 to maintain frequency. The B734 is just too big.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: VV701
Posted 2012-10-30 12:14:59 and read 6882 times.

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

It is in the Manchester Evening News:

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...s-ditches-manchester-gatwick-route

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-10-30 12:48:23 and read 6720 times.

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Quoting jet72uk (Reply 5):
BA will though announce two new S/H LGW routes on Wednesday.

Where has this been announced?

BA very rarely announce that they are going to make announcement on new routes prior to a official announcement being made.

I had heard that another route announcement was due late this month or early next month.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-10-30 12:49:51 and read 6720 times.

Sad... They could have at least kept one daily rotation to and from LGW to make it possible for passengers to transfer to their longhaul flights...

Quoting madhatter (Reply 8):
Where has this been announced?

Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

What are your candidates?

Wish BA could go back to MLA and KEF but I guess this won't happen...

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: GSTBA
Posted 2012-10-30 12:58:43 and read 6643 times.

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 15):
Well, if they cancel 3 daily flights to MAN and without planning to retire one aircraft, they would need to add new routes or increase existing ones...

BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

New Routes

Alicante - Flights will resume after being dropped a few years back. Flights will operate 17 x Weekly until 1st July 2013 when flights will increase to 3 x Daily

Barcelona - Flights return after being dropped a few years ago in February 2013. During the S13 schedule flights will operate 3 x Daily. Flights will depart LGW at 09:50, 15:40 & 21:20 arriving in BCN at 13:00, 18:50 & 00:30. Return flights will depart BCN at 08:10, 13:55 & 19:40 arriving LGW 09:15, 15:00 & 20:45

Routes Dropped

Manchester - As already posted flights will not operate S13. Flights operated up to 3 x Daily S12

Pristina - No flights available for sale W12/13 or S13. Flights operated 2 x Weekly S12

Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Edinburgh - Flights drop from 28 to 26 x Weekly with 3 rotations instead if four operating on Saturday & Sunday. BA2940/BA2941 rotation non op on those days.

Jersey - Flights will drop from 35 to 34 x Weekly. BA2776/77 rotation will not operate on a Saturday.

Naples - Flights will drop from 3 to 2 x Daily in S13.

Tirana - Flights will drop from 5 to 4 x Weekly.

Frequency Increases

Faro - Flights will operate 8 x Weekly.

Rome FCO - Flights will increase from 10 flights a week in S12 to 2 x Daily S13.

Days of Operation Changes

Salzburg - Flights will operate on Monday, Wednesday, Saturday & Sunday S13. Flight operated Tuesday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday S12

Thessaloniki - S13 flights will operate Monday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Flights operated Monday, Wednesday, Friday & Saturday.

Tunis - S13 flights will operate 5 x weekly with no flights on a Wednesday & Saturday. S12 flight didn't operate on a Tuesday or Thursday

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: AIR MALTA
Posted 2012-10-30 13:02:24 and read 6612 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
BA have made a number changes to there S13 schedule already. Changes are based on S12 operation. The changes include frequency increases & reductions as well as operational day changes. Full details of what has changed so below.

Yes but the new routes to Alicante and Barcelona came to replace the previously operated flights to MRS and BLQ which were transferred to LHR.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-10-30 13:03:17 and read 6612 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

I preferredwhen they had the flight overnight and leave AMS about 7 - now the first LGW flight is around 10am form AMS.

Easyjet have really taken the lead in the LGW-AMS market

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: PlymSpotter
Posted 2012-10-30 16:18:17 and read 5787 times.

I can't see either U2 or BE taking up this route. I certainly couldn't see the latter making it work.

Quoting Flyingfox27 (Reply 6):
I noticed a reduction in Flybe's SOU - MAN services too when before they had lots, maybe the Cross Country train service from Southampton to Manchester Piccadilly and Virgin Train services to Euston are slowly killing it off

It's still five daily for now, that's hardly bad between two regional points. They are likely to see some benefit on this route from BA dropping LGW-MAN, which is another reason why I think it would be foolish of them to try.

Quoting LondonCity (Reply 10):
I doubt Cross Country is having much of an effect when you consider the long and winding route taken by its trains. In general UK domestic aviation is in the doldrums because of the economic downturn and the cost of APD which must be paid for every flight.

The economy and APD are two prime issues, although FlyBe in particular are struggling for their own reasons.


Dan  

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-10-30 17:50:34 and read 5390 times.

Quoting anstar (Reply 18):
I wouldnt be surprised to see this route dropped eventually.

It is an oddball, the last of the old style capital / business centre routes. CDG, BRU, FRA, MAD etc all dropped.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: liverpoola380
Posted 2012-10-31 02:45:03 and read 4212 times.

This is sad news.

I fly this route often and there loads are always very high, sometimes higher than LHR

I think this is bad move from BA

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: AirbusA6
Posted 2012-10-31 03:16:45 and read 4057 times.

Were many passengers connecting to long haul flights at LGW, as I imagine that's the only reason to operate such a route? With most of the BA long haul routes from LGW to leisure destinations, I imagine there are plenty of direct/charter flights from MAN anyway for many of them.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: BlueShamu330s
Posted 2012-10-31 03:28:06 and read 4005 times.

Let's stop the wailing and gnashing of teeth over this "loss" and turn it into an opportunity for the likes of Virgin and Thomson to launch new services from MAN to the Caribbean and other beach destinations which passengers have previously had to connect through LGW to get to.

Rgds

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: factsonly
Posted 2012-10-31 05:17:46 and read 3609 times.

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
Frequency Decreases

Amsterdam - Flights will drop from 26 to 22 x Weekly in S13. BA2764/BA2765 will not operate days Monday to Thursday

Must we conclude that BA is loosing the LGW battle with EZY, as EZY has announced a Summer 2013 increase of LGW-AMS-LGW to 6x/daily on peak Monday & Fridays:

EZY Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
06.10-08.25
08.10-10.25
10.25-12.40
14.25-16.40
16.25-18.40
19.00-21.15

BA Summer 2013
LGW-AMS
07.20-09.35
09.20-11.35
15.15-17.25

BA used to operate LGW-AMS-LGW 5x/daily in the past. Perhaps the new BA 3x/day LHR-RTM-LHR also has an influence as BA capacity to NL is significantly up in Summer 2013 taking AMS/RTM combined.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: musang
Posted 2012-10-31 05:28:56 and read 3635 times.

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 3):
The flights ive taken between MAN and LGW have always been full.
Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 21):
loads are always very high

Several have equated high load factor with profitability whereas the relationship is only approximate. Yield is the critical criterion. An aircraft may be full, but if the customers didn't pay much for the tickets, due competition/market forces, the receipts won't cover operating cost. There are many examples of full aircraft not making money.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 24):
Must we conclude that BA is loosing the LGW battle with EZY

As long as the cost bases are so different its inevitable when so many travellers are cost focussed above all else.

Regards - musang

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-10-31 06:18:01 and read 3390 times.

I believe we need need to keep things in perspective here. Airlines start and drop routes all the time. Most of the low-cost airlines do so more often than the legacy carriers, but are careful only to announce new routes rarely mentioning the ones they are dropping. British Airways have announced the closure of the Gatwick-Manchester route for their own commercial reasons. If another airline believes they can make money on that route they will take it up, if not they wont. Its that simple.
As for the BA Gatwick base itself I believe it will continue. They will probably develop more long haul leisure destinations which may include overspill for some routes also served from Heathrow (Las Vegas is an example). The short haul network will continue to serve destinations that require frequency and competitive fares aswell as those niche seasonal destinations that can fill both Club and Economy cabins. This may also include destinations already served from Heathrow where demand for leisure travel is greatest as well as demand for transfer to BA long haul. (Examples being Barcelona, Nice and Rome).
In time newer aircraft will arrive. BA Gatwick will never be huge but will provide a big enough presence that suits London's second airport. BA still carries 5million passengers a year to and from Gatwick. Somehow I don t believe they will be willing just to give them away.
So one route down maybe a couple of new ones to be announced. Hardly the end of life as we know it.

V.

[Edited 2012-10-31 06:31:04]

[Edited 2012-10-31 06:51:01]

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: liverpoola380
Posted 2012-10-31 07:03:41 and read 3274 times.

Biggest mistake BA made with its Eurofleet was surrendering the regions and allowing the sale of GT to EZY

If only they would have retained focus and adjust the business models we would have a flourishing airline

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: 817Dreamliiner
Posted 2012-10-31 08:37:01 and read 2976 times.

Quoting musang (Reply 25):

I wasnt implying that the route was profitable, only that when I flew the route that it seemed full to me. But its still surprising to me that they are dropping it and I am a bit disappointed because I would no longer have the smooth connection to the caribbean flights I take out of LGW.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: skipness1E
Posted 2012-10-31 08:44:20 and read 2955 times.

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 27):
If only they would have retained focus and adjust the business models we would have a flourishing airline

Adjust it to what? The cost base against the new boys was uncompetitive with the consequence BA had to charge beyond what the market was willing to pay. A lot of good people tried for many years to save the regional business, it wasn't to be for a variety of reasons.
Remember LGW isn't feeding the core business, it's point to point leisure with *some* feed, loss making on MAN-LGW it seems. The remaining short haul business, well it does appear to be in ever decreasing circles. Until the RFP for replacing those B737-400s is signed off, I doubt whether BA want to stay in easyJet's core business. Is AVIOS redemption enough of a reason to maintain the short haul routes?

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: vectismanpaul
Posted 2012-10-31 10:18:31 and read 2815 times.

As always Skipness talks a lot of sense. We seem to be perusing the same forums too!!
Just wondering if Easyjet or BE would look at this route.
I know that BE are unhapy with Gatwick charges butt maybe a thrice daily 118 seater E195 would work especially if they had codeshares.
Easyjet Airbuses may be too big, but there again maybe lower fares would stimulate demand.
Anyway we shall see in the next few days.
V.

Topic: RE: BA To Drop MAN - LGW From 31/3/13.
Username: jet72uk
Posted 2012-10-31 10:23:08 and read 2805 times.

I think altimately someone will step in and do it. It has certaily p'd off a lot of regulars in the catchment area of Surrey, Sussex and Kent.....   


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