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Topic: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-10-30 16:38:00 and read 13774 times.

I thought I would share this:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=41457894&opt=0

Initially my thoughts were "good riddance" and I was glad that finally an authority did something about these all too common jerks. Especially since he claimed to have a knive. I´m not too clear on wether he had it or not, though.

But then I started thinking that life in prison is excessive. Particulary since he uttered the threat while intoxicated. Maybe a decade would be enough, but life?

Let the discussion begin.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: ckfred
Posted 2012-10-30 17:30:27 and read 13541 times.

I bet he wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2012-10-30 17:34:51 and read 13518 times.

If it were his third felony in many US jurisdictions...

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: tharanga
Posted 2012-10-30 17:48:42 and read 13423 times.

I also thought life was excessive. but I don't know what are norms for sentencing there.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: longhauler
Posted 2012-10-30 17:56:40 and read 13369 times.

There is no excuse ever ... but I do remember that the main reason people drink before getting on an airplane is because they are terrified, and that is the only way they can get on an airplane.

btw, you may want to consider changing the heading. It almost sounds like the sentence ... is life in India.

Drunk Passenger in India, Sentenced to Life ... might sound better.  

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: golfradio
Posted 2012-10-30 18:26:29 and read 13240 times.

This is really excessive. Under IPC even culpable homicide which is equivalent to manslaughter some times gets a reduced sentence. Usually life in prison is for really serious crimes.

This sentence must be in a lower court and in all probability will not stick. On appeal the sentence will be either commuted to time spent in custody or entirely thrown out.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-10-30 18:40:21 and read 13174 times.

If he had simply been drunk and disorderly he might have received a lesser sentence. But he did claim to have a knife and threaten to "hijack" the aircraft. Creating a false belief and fear is a serious matter.

But in India, depending on any minimum term direction given by the judge, a life sentence may only mean a term of 14 years as a convict becomes eligible for parole. I expect that his lawyers will be lodging an appeal.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 4):
It almost sounds like the sentence ... is life in India.

LOL. I thought the same thing. I know that life in India (like anywhere else) can be tough but I'd hardly call it a sentence.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-10-30 19:04:21 and read 13077 times.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 2):

If it were his third felony in many US jurisdictions...


The three strikes law, signed by President Clintion, applies to all U.S. jurisdictions, not just some or "many".

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: brahmin
Posted 2012-10-30 20:07:44 and read 12873 times.

The three strikes law is only in California.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-10-30 20:11:15 and read 12857 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 4):
Drunk Passenger in India, Sentenced to Life ... might sound better.

Mods, would you please change the title to the above suggestion?

Quoting golfradio (Reply 5):
This sentence must be in a lower court and in all probability will not stick. On appeal the sentence will be either commuted to time spent in custody or entirely thrown out.

Good point. Still, I bet the guy is not a happy camper tonight. In Mexico "life" at the most means 60 years for kidnappers, and 40 for the most serious crimes. A long time, still.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 6):
If he had simply been drunk and disorderly he might have received a lesser sentence. But he did claim to have a knife and threaten to "hijack" the aircraft. Creating a false belief and fear is a serious matter.

Yes. I think making the claim that he had a knife and the threat to hijack make this much more significant than simply being "unruly" Still, I find life to be too much. Not knowing the rules in India, of course. Intoxication should be a mitigating factor I would imagine.

I have no sympathy for the guy, mind you. But I just think life is too much.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: brahmin
Posted 2012-10-30 20:17:02 and read 12824 times.

I think that a Life sentence in India is about fourteen years. The Indian stete is right to come down on this kind of terrorism.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2012-10-30 20:58:24 and read 12676 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 7):

The three strikes law, signed by President Clintion, applies to all U.S. jurisdictions, not just some or "many".

That one would apply to violent/serious felonies under federal jurisdiction, not all felonies.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: brahmin
Posted 2012-10-30 21:14:39 and read 12625 times.

The three strikes law is not a Federal law. it is a state law.

Three strikes law
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about the criminal justice law. For Internet disconnection policy, see Graduated response. For other uses of the term "Three Strikes", see Three Strikes (disambiguation).
Three Strikes Laws are statutes enacted by state governments in the United States which mandates state courts to impose 25 years to life sentences on persons convicted of three or more serious criminal offenses. In most jurisdictions, only crimes at the felony level qualify as serious offenses and typically the defendant is given the possibility of parole with their life sentence. These statutes became very popular in the 1990s. Twenty-four states have some form of habitual offender laws.
The name comes from baseball, where a batter is permitted two strikes before striking out on the third.
The three strikes law significantly increases the prison sentences of persons convicted of a felony who have been previously convicted of two or more violent crimes or serious felonies, and limits the ability of these offenders to receive a punishment other than a life sentence. Violent and serious felonies are specifically listed in state laws. Violent offenses include murder, robbery of a residence in which a deadly or dangerous weapon is used, rape and other sex offenses; serious offenses include the same offenses defined as violent offenses, but also include other crimes such as burglary of a residence and assault with intent to commit a robbery or murder.
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[edit]History

The practice of imposing longer prison sentences on repeat offenders (versus first-time offenders who commit the same crime) is nothing new, as judges often take into consideration prior offenses when sentencing. However, there is a more recent history of mandatory prison sentences for repeat offenders.[1] For example, New York State has a Persistent Felony Offender law that dates back to the late 19th century. But such sentences were not compulsory in each case, and judges had much more discretion as to what term of incarceration should be imposed.
The first true "three strikes" law was passed in 1993, when Washington state voters approved Initiative 593. California passed its own in 1994, when their voters passed Proposition 184 by an overwhelming majority, with 72% in favor and 28% against. The initiative proposed to the voters had the title of Three Strikes and You're Out, referring to de facto life imprisonment after being convicted of three felonies.[2]
The concept swiftly spread to other states, but none of them chose to adopt a law as sweeping as California's. By 2004, twenty-six states and the federal government had laws that satisfy the general criteria for designation as "three strikes" statutes — namely, that a third felony conviction brings a sentence of life in prison, with no parole possible until a long period of time, most commonly twenty-five years, has been served.
[edit]Enactment by states

The following states have enacted three strike laws:
In 1974: Texas[3] PF Chap 12 shows the 3 strike law only changed the charge to a federal crime. Unlike the following states, where three convictions meant automatic life inprisonment
In 1993: Washington[citation needed]
In 1994: California[4], Colorado[citation needed], Connecticut[citation needed], Indiana[citation needed], Kansas[citation needed], Nevada[citation needed], North Dakota[citation needed], and Louisiana[citation needed]
In 1995: Arkansas[citation needed], Georgia[citation needed], Maryland[citation needed], Montana[citation needed], New Jersey[citation needed], New Mexico[citation needed], North Carolina[citation needed], Pennsylvania[citation needed], South Carolina[citation needed], Utah[citation needed], Vermont[citation needed], and Wisconsin[citation needed]
In 1996: Florida[citation needed], Tennessee[citation needed],and Virginia[citation needed]
In 2006: Arizona[citation needed]
In 2012: Massachusetts[5]
They are formally known among lawyers and legal academics as habitual offender laws.[6] They are designed to counter criminal recidivism by physical incapacitation via imprisonment. A person accused under such laws is referred to in a few states (notably Connecticut and Kansas) as a "persistent offender," while Missouri uses the unique term "prior and persistent offender." These terms are used even though all of the offenses could occur in one incident.
[edit]Application
The exact application of the three strikes laws varies considerably from state to state. Some states require all three felony convictions to be for violent crimes in order for the mandatory sentence to be pronounced, while California mandates the enhanced sentence for any third felony conviction so long as the first two felonies were deemed to be either "violent" or "serious," or both.
[edit]Effects in California

Violent crime, but especially homicide, has fallen in the Los Angeles area, as well as other areas of the southland—Los Angeles's 2010 homicide count was 297, less than a third of the 1992 high of 1,000 homicides.[7] However, this may just be a correlation and not causal, as violent crime has also fallen in other areas of California where the three strikes law is not enforced. It should also be noted that punishments for homicides are extremely harsh, resulting in extremely long sentences, life sentences without the possibility of parole or even the death penalty, even for the first conviction, overshadowing any deterrent effect of the three strikes law.
However, there is some evidence that criminals on their last strike are more desperate to escape from police and therefore more likely to attack police.[8][9] This does not reveal whether or not the criminals in question were or were not more desperate and willing to kill prior to their last strike.[10]
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Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AirframeAS
Posted 2012-10-30 21:23:36 and read 12583 times.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 11):
Quoting brahmin (Reply 12):
Quoting brahmin (Reply 8):

Then what bill did President Clinton sign into law around 1995-ish?

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-10-30 21:36:52 and read 12542 times.

Since this was a hijacking scenario, while harsh, I understand the sentence. Note: I do not think being drunk is an excuse for anything other than sleeping with a person 'below one's normal standards' or puking in trash cans.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 9):
I have no sympathy for the guy, mind you. But I just think life is too much.

Understood, but how would you have felt if your family were there? If this was the individual's first offense, I agree. But if the person had a prior history... No sympathy and no worries.

Quoting SSTeve (Reply 2):

If it were his third felony in many US jurisdictions...

By the time someone has committed 3 felonies they have been convicted of, there is typically a few dozen they got away with. I don't care if the 3rd felony is minor, anyone convicted of a felony *after* two priors is not worth worrying about.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 6):
a life sentence may only mean a term of 14 years as a convict becomes eligible for parole. I expect that his lawyers will be lodging an appeal.

I hope he has better lawyers for the appeal.


Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-10-30 21:44:44 and read 12502 times.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
Understood, but how would you have felt if your family were there?

It really should not matter how I feel, though, should it? I would probably hate the guy, of course, and I´m glad I´m not in that position, but the justice system is what it is. Maybe in some countries they take into account the familiy´s feelings but not in most other places I´m familiar with. The law hands down sentences pretty coldly without thinking about anything else but what is written in the code.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
If this was the individual's first offense, I agree. But if the person had a prior history... No sympathy and no worries.

I wish I knew those details, but I don´t.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: RamblinMan
Posted 2012-10-30 21:46:09 and read 12501 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Then what bill did President Clinton sign into law around 1995-ish?

You're probably thinking of this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violent...me_Control_and_Law_Enforcement_Act

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: SSTeve
Posted 2012-10-30 21:49:28 and read 12493 times.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 13):
Then what bill did President Clinton sign into law around 1995-ish?

What the last guy linked to, but that's federal sentencing, so it's moot for a lot of crimes.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-10-30 23:40:52 and read 12264 times.

Life for wielding a knife? One cannot be sentenced what "could" have happened, one can only be sentenced for what actaully happened.

This ruling is ridiculous. One can argue about what he would have got in Germany - 2 years on probation, but life?

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-10-31 01:21:05 and read 12036 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 18):
Life for wielding a knife? One cannot be sentenced what "could" have happened, one can only be sentenced for what actaully happened.

This ruling is ridiculous. One can argue about what he would have got in Germany - 2 years on probation, but life?

Totally agree.
This is way overboard.
What's next, prison for thought crimes?
Not excusing what he did, which was absolutely stupid, but come on.
Are those people who were trying to take over that plane in TRV all gonna go to the slammer for life as well?
Don't forget, they were actually physically moving towards the cockpit and NOT drunk (from what is reported at least). That seems a lot worse of an offense to me.
BTW, how did that guy manage to get a plane on to the plane... just sayin'.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Nimish
Posted 2012-10-31 04:39:04 and read 11688 times.

Seems like the judge went overboard here - I understand zero tolerance and advocate it highly - that could have been in the form of lifetime ban from taking any flight or train or public transport (for instance), coupled with a couple of years of jail time. But a life sentence seems like an overkill, that is given to convicted murderers in India - and in this case there were no deaths (thankfully).

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Accidentally
Posted 2012-10-31 09:02:59 and read 9918 times.

Just wanted to say that this punishment is incredibly excessive. He surely deserved some kind of punishment, but geez this is nuts. I think this kind of thing happens often here in the US too...life sentences for being caught with marijuana, but a child rapist gets ten years. Absolutely crazy.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: manny
Posted 2012-10-31 10:21:34 and read 8807 times.

Good way to get sideline the STUPID from the human gene pool!

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Cricket
Posted 2012-10-31 11:50:15 and read 7711 times.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Seems like the judge went overboard here - I understand zero tolerance and advocate it highly - that could have been in the form of lifetime ban from taking any flight or train or public transport (for instance), coupled with a couple of years of jail time. But a life sentence seems like an overkill, that is given to convicted murderers in India - and in this case there were no deaths (thankfully).

The Delhi High Court gave this judgement, it is likely that the Supreme Court will reduce it, but couple it with a lifetime flying ban. The guy was returning to DEL from GOI on a 6E flight was more than a little tipsy and apparently loudly announced that he was a part of the IC 814 hijackers, as good as saying that you are a Taliban terrorist IMHO and also claimed that he had infected needles. Given that hit-and-run drivers get out in four years most of the time, this is overkill. But while the judgement could well get reduced this headline will put wannabe idiots who say such things in their place.

Every few weeks there are cases of people calling up airlines in India claiming there are 'bombs' on board - often disgruntled idiots who missed their flights (sometimes former lovers have called claiming their ex-partner is a terrorist) and I believe these clowns ought to be put in prison for a while as well.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: asctty
Posted 2012-10-31 12:14:59 and read 7423 times.

One thing for everyone to remember - You have to consider what will happen if you break the law in the presiding country. Behave whilst you are abroad or suffer the consequences, even if they are considered to be extreme by your home standards. It is OK to have a drink before boarding and on the plane, but if the crew consider that you are putting the other PAX at risk stand by for some severe punishment. Life in jail is of course a bit much, but what should the tariff be? That's up to the country where you are arrested.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-11-01 02:53:57 and read 4611 times.

Probably to set an example so others are deffered from trying out the same.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-11-01 03:26:00 and read 4577 times.

The life sentence made the headlines. By the time the sentence gets reduced, the media will have moved on.

An excellent way to send a message to the public...

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-11-01 03:35:16 and read 4586 times.

Yes, but you should consider how this headline falls back on India in the world media.

There must be something wrong with the court system in India if someone can be sentenced for what eventually could have happened. In a country ruled by the law, one can only be sentenced for what actually did happen.

Now, what happens to the airport screener / screeners who failed to detect that this guy was carrying a knife?

Death penalty?

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-11-01 03:48:52 and read 4546 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 27):
There must be something wrong with the court system in India if someone can be sentenced for what eventually could have happened. In a country ruled by the law, one can only be sentenced for what actually did happen.

He was not sentenced for what could have happened - he was sentenced for threatening a hijacking, which has severe penalties considering the threat India faces from terrorism.

Regardless, he'll get parole in 14 years, even if his sentence isn't reduced.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-11-01 05:00:02 and read 4449 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 28):
he was sentenced for threatening a hijacking,

while at diminished responsibility and the keyword is "threatening" . He did not know what he was talking about..

In simple words, it does not count.

This guy deserves a heavy penalty based on his income, plus several months on probation and the airport and the screeners that did not find the knife deserve an investigation.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2012-11-01 05:07:17 and read 4437 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 27):
In a country ruled by the law, one can only be sentenced for what actually did happen.

This can happen in the United States too. Attempted Homicide is a convictable offense here. Shame that logic doesn't have flip side here. Sure would like to get paid for some attempted overtime,  

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-11-01 05:24:18 and read 4393 times.

Quoting Darksnowynight (Reply 30):
Attempted Homicide is a convictable offense here.

This guy was "threatening", not "attempting". He did not injure anyone.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: RyanairGuru
Posted 2012-11-01 05:46:26 and read 4329 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 28):
he was sentenced for threatening a hijacking,

Right. Without actually being on that flight we don't know what he said, but I don't think it is far fetched to assume that the threat lacked sufficient immanency to establish an apprehension of imminent harm in the mind of a reasonable person on the flight. Rather, said reasonable person would just think he was a drunken idiot. Should he be charged for being drunk on a plane? Yes. But hi-jack threat??? As some other poster suggest, what's next?

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-01 06:17:38 and read 4270 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 27):
In a country ruled by the law, one can only be sentenced for what actually did happen.

I agree that the sentence does appear a bit steep but as I pointed out above, life does not mean life as parole usually means a much shorter term and, as India is a country "ruled by law", the convict has the right of appeal.

Threatening someone is an offence in many countries even if you don't carry out your threat. For example section 264.1 of the Criminal Code in Canada covers "uttering threats". Threatening the government officials of the United States is a serious crime under federal law. Threatening the President of the United States is a Class D felony under 18 U.S.C. 871, punishable by 5 years of imprisonment.

§75 of the Criminal Code (Queensland) provides that "Any person who
(a) with intent to intimidate or annoy any person, by words or conduct, threatens to enter or damage a dwelling or other premises;...commits an offence." The penalty is two years imprisonment but if committed at night the penalty can be five years.

Under the Criminal Code of the Commonwealth (Australia) it is an offence to threaten to commit damage to property and to cause fear that someone may be harmed or killed if the threat is carried out. Penalty up to seven years.

I think that you will agree that Canada, the US and Australia are countries "ruled by law". In each of these situations a person is not charged on the basis of what might happen but on what they did: issue a threat and that itself is an offence. The situation in Germany may be different but we need to remember that "ruled by law" is not the same as having the same body of law everywhere.

Removed duplicated word.

[Edited 2012-11-01 07:01:14]

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: gauravpai
Posted 2012-11-01 07:23:28 and read 4143 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):
Dumb sentence, unless this guy has done this several times before.

totally agree

Quoting Cricket (Reply 23):
But while the judgement could well get reduced this headline will put wannabe idiots who say such things in their place.

just what i was thinking...make an example of this guy and wen the court (supreme) hears the judgement i will be surpised if its more than 5_7 years

And btw unlike most countries life imprisonment in India is a jail term of 14years and not actually life imprisonment but a bit excessive i guess

however, its good to see the courts take a no nonsense hard stance,,now if only the politicians were tried this way  

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: PanHAM
Posted 2012-11-01 09:19:49 and read 3993 times.

Quoting Quokkas (Reply 37):
As I have indicated, the sentence does appear a bit steep

I love that understatement  

would you agree with me, that this drunkard, in Germany and most other European countries, would not serve a single day in jail, except the night for sobering up?

Looks loike the authorities in India made an issue here.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-01 09:33:25 and read 3961 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 38):
I love that understatement

Guilty of a classical education,as charged, M'Lud.  
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 38):
would you agree with me, that this drunkard, in Germany and most other European countries, would not serve a single day in jail, except the night for sobering up?

That would surely depend on whether the prosecuting sergeant was wanting to get home early to watch the cup final or was on a promise with a new date. On the other hand, if the Superintendent had given him... 

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Cricket
Posted 2012-11-01 10:49:11 and read 3844 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 31):
This guy was "threatening", not "attempting". He did not injure anyone.

In the US they could have even sent him off to Guantanamo. Europe might be chilled out, but other than the UK you folks haven't really known what it is to live like under a trigger. Since the early 1980's there have been massive terror attacks across India perpetrated often with proven assistance by one of our friendly neighbours. So forgive us if we come down a bit hard on idiots like this guy. And being a local, he can't even claim that he did not know.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-11-01 11:11:16 and read 3816 times.

Try Spain or Italy (back in the 80's). They had their fair share of bombings...
So has Germany for that matter. But those incidents happen more or less under the radar of the international news outlets.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: Quokkas
Posted 2012-11-01 11:20:46 and read 3792 times.

Quoting ushermittwoch (Reply 41):
But those incidents happen more or less under the radar of the international news outlets.

An interesting comment and when earlier today I did a search for reportage in the West, not a single newspaper had picked this case up. Indeed, some media outlets thought that the opening of a Starbucks Café in India was more important. So much for the outrage at sentensing in other countries.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AustrianZRH
Posted 2012-11-01 11:34:47 and read 3748 times.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 38):
would you agree with me, that this drunkard, in Germany and most other European countries, would not serve a single day in jail, except the night for sobering up?

While I do agree that the sentence in this case is way exaggerated, the sentences pronounced in Western Europe are often a bad joke.

Like that rapist in dear old Austria who got convicted to 2 years, of those 1 year and 6 months on parole - and now got even approved "serving" at home with an ankle monitor.

Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: aeroblogger
Posted 2012-11-01 13:38:08 and read 3596 times.

Quoting Cricket (Reply 40):
In the US they could have even sent him off to Guantanamo. Europe might be chilled out, but other than the UK you folks haven't really known what it is to live like under a trigger. Since the early 1980's there have been massive terror attacks across India perpetrated often with proven assistance by one of our friendly neighbours. So forgive us if we come down a bit hard on idiots like this guy. And being a local, he can't even claim that he did not know.

  

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 29):
while at diminished responsibility and the keyword is "threatening" . He did not know what he was talking about..

In simple words, it does not count.

The penalty for communicating information which potentially endangers commercial flight safety is a life sentence as per the law. The judge does not get to pick and choose whether to enforce the law or not.

Being drunk is not a defense for speeding. It is not a defense for murder. It is not a defense for threatening the safety of an aircraft either.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: AR385
Posted 2012-11-01 16:07:40 and read 3486 times.

Quoting aeroblogger (Reply 44):
Being drunk is not a defense for speeding. It is not a defense for murder. It is not a defense for threatening the safety of an aircraft either.

That is your opinion. Where you live, according to the law, it may not be an excuse. I don´t know. In many other places it is a mitigating circumstance.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: HAWK21M
Posted 2012-11-02 03:30:40 and read 3191 times.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):

How do you deter people from doing stupid things while drunk

The Drunks should know the laws too, before drinking......The law applies to all.

Topic: RE: Drunk Passenger Sentenced To Life In India
Username: SA7700
Posted 2012-11-02 09:46:42 and read 3025 times.

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