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Topic: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pilotschnitzel
Posted 2012-11-02 01:45:16 and read 8692 times.

Hi all.

Checked before but nothing showed in the forum, if there is please delete.

I noticed that the only 747 domestic service (QF581/582) in AUS (that I know, if not please correct me) is ending on the 18th Nov. A quick check and it shows that a 763ER will replace it on the 19th.

My question is, does anyone know if Qantas will put the 74 on any other domestic legs in AUS or is this for the foreseeable future?

Thanks in advance!

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: QF175
Posted 2012-11-02 01:57:45 and read 8644 times.

Qantas offers a daily 747-400 from Brisbane to Sydney which is the continuation of the Dallas-Brisbane service. While this is not a completely 'domestic' service per se (i.e. not departing from and arriving at Domestic terminals and needing to pass through immigration etc.), it will be the only standalone, bookable intra-Australia 747 service upon cessation of services on SYD-PER.

I think it's unlikely QF will place 747s on dedicated domestic services in the future, but that's not to say they mightn't use them during peak times and during disrupts, however I think it's more likely you'll see an increase of A330 services!

[Edited 2012-11-02 02:00:42]

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pilotschnitzel
Posted 2012-11-02 02:04:36 and read 8612 times.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
this is not a completely 'domestic' service per se

Yeah I guess for personal reasons I want it to be completely domestic.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 1):
needing to pass through immigration

I guess thats something I would be prepared to do for a dom 74 flight.

Thanks for that QF175, very helpful.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: Sandgroper
Posted 2012-11-02 02:13:29 and read 8586 times.

Sad to see the end of a great few years with the 747 flights we have enjoyed to MEL and SYD from PER.

The Perth Airport Spotters Blog has some great info on recent 747 activity while it lasts:

http://aegwaspotters.blogspot.com.au...ty-of-canberra-in-perth-today.html

http://aegwaspotters.blogspot.com.au...8-vh-ojd-qf581582-syd-per-syd.html

I guess with competition from Virgins A330 product the IFE is a bit sad on the old 747's.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pilotschnitzel
Posted 2012-11-02 02:23:42 and read 8536 times.

Quoting Sandgroper (Reply 3):
I guess with competition from Virgins A330 product the IFE is a bit sad on the old 747's.

Probably why they are replacing it with the 76 as they get revamped. I can only remember being on one 747 flight which was SYD-PER in I think 2003 or 04. I hope I can experience it again before the 18th!

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: joffie
Posted 2012-11-02 02:51:40 and read 8410 times.

Strange, not too long ago QF had the big push in offering the 744 on SYD-PER to compete with DJ. Very strange that they are going to "downgrade" to a 767 with no IFE (ok I suppose Ipads)

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-02 03:00:13 and read 8373 times.

This might be due to the arrival of another domestic A332 later this month. It, and the refurb of the 767s, will ease pressure on 'premium' aircraft for the transcons.

Quoting joffie (Reply 5):
ok I suppose Ipads

The iPads are far superior to the IFE on VA's 2 ex-EK aircraft, and pretty much on par with the RED system in the newer aircraft.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: n729pa
Posted 2012-11-02 05:27:08 and read 8052 times.

Typical....I'm planning my 2013 trip and was diliberately planning my route so as fly on 581 or 582 with a 747. Bugger! That's a shame as I was looking forward to that, especially now we don't get the QF 744s in LHR now either.

I'm curious to know, what the loads were like. I presume they must have been fairly good otherwise why do it, and I suppose there's the cargo side to consider too with connections in/out of SYD.

I will have to settle with a A332 instead, the only QF type I've not had the pleasure of yet,

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: CXB77L
Posted 2012-11-02 07:25:58 and read 7871 times.

I wonder if it'll be back on again in the new year ...

QF can't seem to make up their minds on whether or not to send the 747-400s on the domestic run from SYD-PER. It's been on again and off again several times now. Nevertheless, it'd be a shame to see them go, but I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s (I've been on DJ's new A332 and the on board experience is superb). It would've been nice to see a revamped 744 do the route with the new international long haul products ...

I guess the 744 SYD-PER route is a victim not only of rising fuel costs but also of increased competition from DJ.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: Longhornmaniac
Posted 2012-11-02 11:34:11 and read 6371 times.

I know it's not a 5th Freedom Route, but UA still flies SYD-MEL-SYD, correct?

Cheers,
Cameron

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pilotschnitzel
Posted 2012-11-02 12:29:41 and read 5954 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 9):

Yes that's true unless they've changed it recently.

Just to clarify if some of you dont know the Saturday 581/582 run was already a non 747 service, I can't acces the qantas website right now but i think it was already a 763.

I hope they put her back on the route next year.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: Ditzyboy
Posted 2012-11-02 14:50:44 and read 5013 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s

The hard product is directly comparable (virtually the same) in both cabins.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-02 14:52:12 and read 4992 times.

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 8):
Nevertheless, it'd be a shame to see them go, but I guess the older product on the 744 that they use on the SYD-PER services doesn't measure up to the product on DJ's brand new A332s

If this was the case then they would be ending all the A333 and international A332 services as well. This move has far more to do with the fact that they want to retire old aircraft and that a 744 simply isn't an economical way to fly this route. People also forget that 40% of VA's fleet are rather outdated ex-EK aircraft, which are worse than any QF aircraft flying this route, which means that QF really isn't at a competitive disadvantage in terms of product...

Quoting pilotschnitzel (Reply 10):
Just to clarify if some of you dont know the Saturday 581/582 run was already a non 747 service, I can't acces the qantas website right now but i think it was already a 763.

Correct. It's always been a 767 on Saturdays.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: alitaliadc10
Posted 2012-11-02 16:00:08 and read 4522 times.

747 to PER seems to be suspended from 19Nov - it should return late Jan 2013.

28/29 Dec is 747

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: tim
Posted 2012-11-02 17:52:07 and read 3810 times.

No need to jump the gun. It returns in January. Demand for business travellers is down due to summer Christmas holiday season.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pilotschnitzel
Posted 2012-11-02 20:44:42 and read 3062 times.

Quoting tim (Reply 14):
No need to jump the gun. It returns in January. Demand for business travellers is down due to summer Christmas holiday season.

If you are referring to my start post I wanted to know if there was going to be another one. As pointed out here

Quoting alitaliadc10 (Reply 13):
it should return late Jan 20


there will be so it's all good now.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: pusserchef
Posted 2012-11-02 20:45:07 and read 3062 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 12):
If this was the case then they would be ending all the A333 and international A332 services as well. This move has far more to do with the fact that they want to retire old aircraft and that a 744 simply isn't an economical way to fly this route. People also forget that 40% of VA's fleet are rather outdated ex-EK aircraft, which are worse than any QF aircraft flying this route, which means that QF really isn't at a competitive disadvantage in terms of product...

how can you say that? only 2 A332's are ex Emirates VH-XFA & XFB, the other 3 are new build and delivered this year. All remaining aircraft i.e the B737&8s and EJets, were also delivered as new a/c.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-02 21:46:23 and read 2825 times.

Quoting pusserchef (Reply 16):
how can you say that? only 2 A332's are ex Emirates VH-XFA & XFB, the other 3 are new build and delivered this year. All remaining aircraft i.e the B737&8s and EJets, were also delivered as new a/c.

The point I was responding to was talking about VA's A332 fleet, and 2 from a fleet of 5 means that 40% of the fleet came from EK. Apologies, I should have made that clear.

Topic: RE: Only 747 Aus Domestic Service To End, Any More?
Username: Flyingsottsman
Posted 2012-11-05 01:47:16 and read 1662 times.

Quoting Longhornmaniac (Reply 9):
I know it's not a 5th Freedom Route, but UA still flies SYD-MEL-SYD, correct?

Yes it does gets in around 8 in the morning, then leaves and heads back to SYD around 11.20 I think some pone correct me if I am wrong. But I am not sure if that becomes the flight to San Francisco or Los Angeles as there are 2 UA flights in at a time at SYD.


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