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Topic: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-03 07:03:42 and read 19654 times.


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I remember when they were new. I'm afraid we'll be seeing this more often  

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: HELyes
Posted 2012-11-03 07:35:58 and read 19508 times.

Thats ex OH-LGB, delivered to Finnair 12/1991 and finally to World Airways 12/2010. Bye Bye...


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Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: okAY
Posted 2012-11-03 07:38:26 and read 19482 times.

So sad. Many flights as passenger on this frame. Fairwell "Gorba"!

okAY

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: 76er
Posted 2012-11-03 08:10:24 and read 19301 times.

Dunno when dismantling started on this bird, but I do know PH-KCH (ex KL) arrived at VCV on july 30th to be scrapped. A Dutch spottersite has pictures taken a day later already showing breakup in progress.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: cargolex
Posted 2012-11-03 09:28:00 and read 18928 times.

Quoting United_fan (Thread starter):

I remember when they were new. I'm afraid we'll be seeing this more often

Yes and no.

Yes, they are getting old and the values are low.

No, not all MD-11s are in the same position. You're more likely to see an MD-11F parked than scrapped, but an MD-11 without a cargo door has virtually no value now, because A. Nobody is going to spend the money to convert the very few left in passenger configuration when there are already-converted frames (with lower hours and cycles too) on the market at bargain prices, and B. the availability of second-hand 777-200s and A330s in passenger configuration hurts old MD-11 pax planes the same way those planes did when all three were still on sale at the same time new from the factory.

That said, I love watching the MD-11 in action and though I'll probably never get to ride on one, I'll miss them when they're going. Fortunately, they'll be flying as freighters for a good while yet.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-03 09:34:07 and read 18865 times.

Quoting 76er (Reply 3):
A Dutch spottersite has pictures taken a day later already showing breakup in progress.

Can you provide us where these can be viewed.....

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-11-03 09:36:17 and read 18831 times.

She was a good bird, and very reliable. Sad to see her like this.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: dtw9
Posted 2012-11-03 09:50:15 and read 18738 times.

Don't know when this picture was taken but the stripping has already begun on PH-KCH


Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: n471wn
Posted 2012-11-03 09:54:11 and read 18710 times.

[quote=dtw9,reply=7]Don't know when this picture was taken but the stripping has already begun on PH-KCH


Thanks so much and this looks live VCV

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: AirOne
Posted 2012-11-03 10:34:48 and read 18516 times.

This will probably start the trend of these aircraft getting scrapped. It is a dead airplane in a passenger configuration - I think KLM are the last scheduled operators of the type - besides for that I think only World Airways has 2 and that is it.

They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them, but would expect them to phase out in the next couple years, especially given the declining lease rates of 747 kit.

Last thing to keep in mind, if the airlines have depreciated these aircraft fully, they do have an interesting part out value. Most of these aircraft are powered by the CF6-80C2 which is the engine that services a lot of the A300/A310/MD-11/747/767 fleet. Since there is still a large operating fleet of 747s and 767s there is demand for spare parts for the engines.

AirOne

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: HELyes
Posted 2012-11-03 11:25:29 and read 18233 times.

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them

And Nordic Global Airlines (HEL) operate four ex-AY.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Finnaviation
Posted 2012-11-03 11:49:00 and read 18069 times.

Quoting HELyes (Reply 11):
And Nordic Global Airlines (HEL) operate four ex-AY

Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: HELyes
Posted 2012-11-03 12:09:07 and read 17619 times.

Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 12):
Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.

Ok thanks for the correction.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Newark727
Posted 2012-11-03 12:25:24 and read 17289 times.

Quoting Finnaviation (Reply 12):
Two ex-AY and two ex-BR.

I only see three on my usual airplane fleet website, two ex-AY and one ex-BR. What are the regs on the ex-BR examples?

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: AA737-823
Posted 2012-11-03 12:30:27 and read 17165 times.

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them, but would expect them to phase out in the next couple years, especially given the declining lease rates of 747 kit.

You've forgotten the kazillion MD-11's that UPS operates.....

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: EXMEMWIDGET
Posted 2012-11-03 13:30:58 and read 16080 times.

We all know that there are many factors involved as to when or why a particular airframe is scrapped. However, it is still an odd sight to see this MD-11 being parted out when there are still much older DC-10's still flying around.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Finnaviation
Posted 2012-11-03 14:32:22 and read 15067 times.

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 14):

4th one is ex B-16107 and is now OH-NGB.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: tonymctigue
Posted 2012-11-03 14:50:58 and read 14745 times.

This is the start of the final journey for trijets. I don't think anyone can resonably argue that the MD-11 was the best aircraft ever built but she was a looker! She was a bit like the A340 500/600 of her days (i.e. built in an era where widebody twins had advanced to the stage where a third enginer was no longer needed).

I will probably never get to ride on one and I will be a lesser person for it but I used to love watching these birds at SNN when World Airways used to do fuel stops there. Then we had Omni DC-10s but those are gone now too. Just an endless progression of boring A320s/B737's left.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Rara
Posted 2012-11-04 04:25:14 and read 6294 times.

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
They are still prevalent in cargo operations, but that is mainly supported by FedEx. Besides for that Aeroflot Cargo, Eva Air Cargo, Centurion and China Cargo all operate them
Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 14):
You've forgotten the kazillion MD-11's that UPS operates.....

LH Cargo still operates 18 frames and will do so for a good while longer.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: bestwestern
Posted 2012-11-04 04:54:20 and read 5870 times.

I flew the MD11's a lot from Europe to Atlanta with Delta. From a passenger perspective, they were a far more comfortable ride than either the 767 or the 777.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: AirOne
Posted 2012-11-04 05:00:38 and read 5782 times.

Hi - yes, sorry I did not make a complete list of MD-11 operators.

Of those you mentioned, do you think the airlines will put them through their next heavy check? Would the cost of the overhaul be more than the value of the aircraft? It might just be easier to start engine swapping.

AirOne

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: srbmod
Posted 2012-11-04 06:09:00 and read 4953 times.

Quoting AirOne (Reply 9):
This will probably start the trend of these aircraft getting scrapped. It is a dead airplane in a passenger configuration - I think KLM are the last scheduled operators of the type - besides for that I think only World Airways has 2 and that is it.

World used to have a sizable MD-11 fleet, but with the recent bankruptcy of their parent company combined with the slowdown in military charters due to the withdrawal of US forces in Iraq, according to Airfleets.net they have stored 10 MD-11s this year and currently operate 6 MD-11s (4 MD-11Fs, 2 MD-11 passenger a/c). For a time there after DL started to retire their MD-11s, World leased a few of them until UPS needed them (DL had sold their MD-11s to FedEx and UPS for conversion into cargo a/c.).

Quoting bestwestern (Reply 19):
I flew the MD11's a lot from Europe to Atlanta with Delta. From a passenger perspective, they were a far more comfortable ride than either the 767 or the 777.

Years ago when I worked for ASA and got to fly on Delta, I flew ATL-PDX-ATL a few times because they flew one flight a day with the MD-11 because PDX was their Asian gateway at the time and the flight was a tag-on leg to their flights to Japan so you got international service on a domestic flight. I definitely liked the MD-11 over the 767-200/300 and favored it (just barely) over the 777.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: VC10er
Posted 2012-11-04 06:29:07 and read 4680 times.

Where did the old VARIG MD-11's go? I know a few went to TAM until their 773's arrived, so where did they go?

How many did RG MD-11's were there...after they got rid of their 747's they were the backbone of their long haul fleet.

I flew those VARIG MD-11's often. They felt like rockets upon take off, and they also had put in a new lie-flat F that wasn't bad at all.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: jumpjets
Posted 2012-11-04 06:33:22 and read 4628 times.

I only flew an MD11 once, from GIG-LHR with Varig on a red eye. For about the only time in my life I slept on a flight all night - so it must have been a good flight!

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Darksnowynight
Posted 2012-11-04 07:43:37 and read 4101 times.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):
I definitely liked the MD-11 over the 767-200/300 and favored it (just barely) over the 777.

Yes, having quite recently flown an MD-11 & 77L back to back, I would say that the MD was head and shoulders better. The 77L did have a more modern "feel" to it, I guess, but if the choice is offered (and it likely won't in the future) the MD-11 still gets the nod every time. FWIW, both a/c were of 3-3-3 config.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: ltbewr
Posted 2012-11-04 08:19:26 and read 4096 times.

Perhaps too this and others nearing the scarp/part out heap need major or 'D' checks that further cut their usuable value as pax a/c. I am quite sure the accountants have the numbers supporting the scarpping of this a/c and we live by their numbers, not what a/c fans like to see flying. We are seeing quickly declining numbers of DC-8's in service for financial reasons. Fuel costs are also a factor for MD-11's and like a/c too.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-05 13:01:39 and read 3386 times.

Sure am glad I got a nice shot of N277WA last Summer ,here in ROC. I doubt we'll ever get a pax MD11 here,again.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: airtran737
Posted 2012-11-05 13:18:31 and read 3494 times.

There are big AD's coming for the MD-11 by 2017. The days of seeing them will soon be numbered.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 21):
World used to have a sizable MD-11 fleet, but with the recent bankruptcy of their parent company combined with the slowdown in military charters due to the withdrawal of US forces in Iraq, according to Airfleets.net they have stored 10 MD-11s this year and currently operate 6 MD-11s (4 MD-11Fs, 2 MD-11 passenger a/c). For a time there after DL started to retire their MD-11s, World leased a few of them until UPS needed them (DL had sold their MD-11s to FedEx and UPS for conversion into cargo a/c.).

World brought a MD-11 back. They are up to seven, three pax and four freight.

[Edited 2012-11-05 13:19:25]

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: Newark727
Posted 2012-11-05 13:22:13 and read 3456 times.

Quoting VC10er (Reply 22):

Where did the old VARIG MD-11's go? I know a few went to TAM until their 773's arrived, so where did they go?

How many did RG MD-11's were there...after they got rid of their 747's they were the backbone of their long haul fleet.

I flew those VARIG MD-11's often. They felt like rockets upon take off, and they also had put in a new lie-flat F that wasn't bad at all.

According to planespotters.net they operated a total of 26 different frames. They're all freighters now, I think a fair few (planespotters indicates 9) are with UPS.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: planesofthepast
Posted 2012-11-05 13:26:34 and read 3487 times.

I flew on a Delta L-1011 from Atlanta to Gatwick in 1982 ... great flight, on a great plane. But the L-1011, MD11 and others from that era are headed to the scrap heap.

[Edited 2012-11-05 13:28:40]

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-05 13:50:10 and read 3443 times.

Quoting airtran737 (Reply 27):
There are big AD's coming for the MD-11 by 2017. The days of seeing them will soon be numbered

There will be freighters for years to come.

Topic: RE: Is This The First MD11 To Be Scrapped?
Username: VC10er
Posted 2012-11-05 20:03:17 and read 3396 times.

Quoting jumpjets (Reply 23):

VARIG had the best Y product on international routes- once upon a time anyway. I flew her about 10 years ago from CDG to GIG on an MD-11 in Y. Now granted, it wasn't that full and I got 2 seats together at the window. The FA's were like from another planet, warm, charming, friendly, beautiful with a smile that only a Brazilian can. They made me perrrrfect caipirinha and perrrrffect coffee. Their J product was old but very comfy and F was like Y to the 10th power!

Those MD-11's flown by Brazilian pilots, with the blood of Santos Dumont in their blood flew them like rockets across the Atlantic. I would look out the window in the morning light at that giant winglet in dark blue against an orange sky and flashing lights. Geeez if I could just do it once more. But it would have to be on VARIG...which sadly will never happen again. May they serve UPS and others well. I'm glad they were not chopped up!


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