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Topic: Unofficial: First New Beechcraft Announced.
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-11-04 16:26:27 and read 2207 times.

Just happen to see this in an AOPA EPilot email, which normally I would have deleted...

http://www.aopa.org/nbaa/2012/121031...id=&wtmcid;&WT.mc_sect=tts

At NBAA 2012, Beech has shown, at least partly, what they will hopefully be doing after emerging from Bankruptcy next year. Shown included plans for re-engined Barons and Bonanzas with either diesel or Jet A engines.

But the big thing I feel is what was also shown. A new single engine turboprop product line that " is basically the premier jet fuselage stretched for seating between 8-11 with a cruising speed of 300kts."

Basically, it's Beech's larger PC-12. I'm curious if and when this is launched, what will it do to the Kingair line? It's a single engine (should be cheaper to operate), with about the same speed, and has the same or even a larger passenger capacity. So the only thing I can think of is overall performance, but it said this should be able to operate out of rough strips as well.

Topic: RE: Unofficial: First New Beechcraft Announced.
Username: BE77
Posted 2012-11-05 02:45:43 and read 1629 times.

Makes a lot of sense - considering the number of copies being sold of the PC-12, Meridian, and TBM, plus converted Malibu's and other larger singles, there is likely a market there somewhere Beech. The certainly seem to be going for the larger aircraft end of things.
I don't thnk they'll cannibalize the King Air much - if at all. Any King Air purchasers already could get a PC-12 and haven't - generally because they value the twin for all the usual reasons.

So in the end, as long as they get it out in time at a price they can sell it and make money, I think it will only add to the net sales numbers.

Technically it will be interesting to see what they do with the wing and certification process to get around the single engine stall performance requirements and still get 300kts efficiently!

Final question - artical says 'rough field'...assuming they mean something different than what Super Cub, or even a C208 would consider rough, let's consider "relatively short and gravel", similar to a PC12 is what I would think.
Any specualtion on how short would be reasonable considering the expected mission (I would open with 3000 feet of gravel at a moderate weight - say 2+4 persons plus 500 miles plus IFR reserves?). 5000 feet of pavement might get the same 2+4 persons nonstop accross the US eastbound on a reasonably optimisitic day?

Topic: RE: Unofficial: First New Beechcraft Announced.
Username: BE77
Posted 2012-11-05 02:56:04 and read 1622 times.

Makes a lot of sense - considering the number of copies being sold of the PC-12, Meridian, and TBM, plus converted Malibu's and other larger singles, there is likely a market there somewhere Beech. The certainly seem to be going for the larger aircraft end of things.
I don't thnk they'll cannibalize the King Air much - if at all. Any King Air purchasers already could get a PC-12 and haven't - generally because they value the twin for all the usual reasons.

So in the end, as long as they get it out in time at a price they can sell it and make money, I think it will only add to the net sales numbers.

Technically it will be interesting to see what they do with the wing and certification process to get around the single engine stall performance requirements and still get 300kts efficiently!

Final question - artical says 'rough field'...assuming they mean something different than what Super Cub, or even a C208 would consider rough, let's consider "relatively short and gravel", similar to a PC12 is what I would think.
Any specualtion on how short would be reasonable considering the expected mission (I would open with 3000 feet of gravel at a moderate weight - say 2+4 persons plus 500 miles plus IFR reserves?). 5000 feet of pavement might get the same 2+4 persons nonstop accross the US eastbound on a reasonably optimisitic day?

Topic: RE: Unofficial: First New Beechcraft Announced.
Username: MountainFlyer
Posted 2012-11-05 14:11:51 and read 1608 times.

Quoting flightsimer (Thread starter):
I'm curious if and when this is launched, what will it do to the Kingair line?
Quoting BE77 (Reply 1):
I don't thnk they'll cannibalize the King Air much - if at all. Any King Air purchasers already could get a PC-12 and haven't - generally because they value the twin for all the usual reasons.


This is likely Beechcraft's response to the single engine turboprop age of small corporate aircraft. I have no doubt it will make a dent in the King Air sales, but it is ultimately the right strategy for Beechcraft IMHO. It is better to come out with a competitive product and cannibalize some sales of another line than to try and compete only with a product that is uncompetitive for the respective market.

While many will still buy King Airs, they have been getting replaced left and right by PC-12 and similar aircraft. Beechcraft will presumably still have the King Air for those wanting the power/reliability of two engines, but they will have a competitive product for those looking for single-engine economics. Pilatus has sold the image of the "reliable" single engine aircraft with only one engine to maintain instead of two.

In the air ambulance world alone, I know of at least three companies that have ditched their King Airs for PC-12s in the last few years.

[Edited 2012-11-05 14:12:47]

Topic: RE: Unofficial: First New Beechcraft Announced.
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-11-06 13:03:01 and read 1607 times.

Too bad no 19 seat commuterliner. I spent many an hour on the Beach 99. Not a big fan of the 1900 though!


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