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Topic: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: womenbeshoppin
Posted 2012-11-04 06:19:18 and read 18125 times.

United flight 1116 from IAH to ORD is underway. First revenue flight for united with the 787. Where is it going next. Anyone have any info. Thanks.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL1116

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: ORDFan
Posted 2012-11-04 06:29:32 and read 18061 times.

Beat me to it by a few minutes! Anyway, what's the story with UA's first 787? I don't think it will be a regular on ORD-IAH, correct? This is probably a showcase flight, but what cities will this bird most likely service?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-1...amliner-flight-by-u-s-airline.html

[Edited 2012-11-04 06:32:54]

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-11-04 06:53:42 and read 17908 times.

I believe the routing is IAH-ORD-IAH-LAX-IAH for this week until Friday that is When it's SFO instead of LAX. I will be on the IAH-SFO flight this Friday! SO EXCITED!

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2012-11-04 07:03:01 and read 17833 times.

Does anybody know what runway this flight will come in on at ORD? I hope it's 28/10.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: 757dab
Posted 2012-11-04 07:05:50 and read 17831 times.

A/C on flightaware to track

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N20904

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Newark727
Posted 2012-11-04 08:03:33 and read 16321 times.

Aww, man, it's going to be after sunset when it hits LAX.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Highflier92660
Posted 2012-11-04 08:33:19 and read 15632 times.

She flew up to ORD at FL410. The Boeing 787 is certified to 45,000 ft and with all that wing and low gross take-off weights on these domestic routes, I wonder if the United crews will fly her higher than 410. Certainly the higher cabin pressurization differential is up to it.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: ANITIX87
Posted 2012-11-04 08:53:18 and read 15156 times.

Quoting ORDFan (Reply 1):
Anyway, what's the story with UA's first 787?

Once UA gets the second 787 on-site, they'll be running two W-routes for a few weeks to get crews accustomed to the aircraft and show it off. One airframe will so IAH-ORD-IAH-LAX-IAH daily and the other will do IAH-EWR-IAH-SFO-IAH daily. Once they get the third on-site and are ready to start international routes, the domestic flights will end.

TIS

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: flightsimer
Posted 2012-11-04 09:09:00 and read 14843 times.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 7):


it already is, last week it arrived.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-11-04 09:15:49 and read 14707 times.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
The Boeing 787 is certified to 45,000

FL431. But point taken, then can easily go above FL410 at these weights.

Tom.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: my235
Posted 2012-11-04 09:34:34 and read 14298 times.

I like that Flightaware has it listed as a 739.  

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Brick
Posted 2012-11-04 09:43:46 and read 14131 times.

If you track the flights by the tail number, the correct aircraft type is listed:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N20904

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Dalavia
Posted 2012-11-04 09:45:57 and read 14080 times.

I was on the flight in Economy Class, just a couple of rows back from Jeff Smisek who was also in Economy.

There was a great atmosphere on board with lots of aviation enthusiasts and folk from the industry. The flight was extremely smooth, and the impression inside was of a short A330 with better overhead bins. There were several negative comments about the window dimmers which are VERY slow to activate, don't dim the windows completely, and when the dimmer switch is activated it dims pairs of windows, not just the single window where the control switch is located.

We were given some nice souvenir certificates, but no food (normal United Economy snacks for sale etc).

Upon arrival at ORD there was a water canon salute as we came into the gate.

Definitely a flight to remember.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: rob2507
Posted 2012-11-04 10:05:03 and read 13676 times.

Gadling blog: http://www.gadling.com/2012/11/04/li...nboard-united-airlines-787-launch/

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: KELPkid
Posted 2012-11-04 14:15:50 and read 9601 times.

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 6):
She flew up to ORD at FL410. The Boeing 787 is certified to 45,000 ft and with all that wing and low gross take-off weights on these domestic routes, I wonder if the United crews will fly her higher than 410. Certainly the higher cabin pressurization differential is up to it.

I wonder. You hardly see domestic flights that high anyways, because above FL390 (IIRC), one flight crewmember is required by FAA regs to be wearing an oxygen mask at all times. The practical reason is because if you have a rapid decompression at that altitude, the time of useful consciousness is a matter of seconds, and they want someone conscious to initiate the emergency descent.

Before anyone from overseas pipes up, I know that this is only an FAA reg, and it is only applicable to N-registered aircraft...  

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: ghifty
Posted 2012-11-04 15:46:23 and read 8142 times.

Takeoff video from the first flight has just been posted by someone.. It's so quiet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tubo5uuEpEA

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: sccutler
Posted 2012-11-04 15:55:30 and read 8017 times.

Man, that wing is a work of art!

(Mercy me, iOS autocorrect almost had me post something terribly embarrassing! Of. Art. Could have been bad news...)

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Atlflyer
Posted 2012-11-04 16:31:15 and read 7457 times.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):

So are there window dimmers at every OTHER window and not under every individual window?

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: XFSUgimpLB41X
Posted 2012-11-04 17:34:01 and read 6603 times.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):

I wonder. You hardly see domestic flights that high anyways, because above FL390 (IIRC), one flight crewmember is required by FAA regs to be wearing an oxygen mask at all times. The practical reason is because if you have a rapid decompression at that altitude, the time of useful consciousness is a matter of seconds, and they want someone conscious to initiate the emergency descent.

Above FL410 is where one crewmember has to have O2 on at all times. I had the 757 up to FL420 a couple times and one guy in the flight deck has to have the mask on. Not exactly fun!

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: tdscanuck
Posted 2012-11-04 17:47:35 and read 6400 times.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):
when the dimmer switch is activated it dims pairs of windows, not just the single window where the control switch is located.

That's part of the customer-specific cabin configuration. If United has it set up that way, it's because they asked Boeing to do that. Any sets of windows can be ganged together so that all the windows for a given seat move together. This is especially important in biz class where, otherwise, you'd have to get out of your seat to adjust 2 or 3 windows (as you have to do with manual shades). But there's no reason not to do it in economy class if they've got a layout with two windows per row.

Quoting Atlflyer (Reply 17):
So are there window dimmers at every OTHER window and not under every individual window?

No, every window has a dimmer. Part of the cabin configuration is to gang windows together per the customer's request so that one dimmer may manipulate multiple windows (any dimmer switch in the set will move all windows in the set).

Tom.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: strfyr51
Posted 2012-11-04 18:07:24 and read 6089 times.

3904 presently routed 1694-04 lax iah then ,iah-ord ord-iah,iah-lax etc,,, 3906 routed 1146-07 iah ewr then ewr- iah,iah-sfo.. etc

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2012-11-04 18:07:48 and read 6089 times.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
Man, that wing is a work of art!

It sure is! It's one thing to see pictures of it, but you get a whole different appreciation for it when seeing it in person, not to mention the wing flex on approach. Very easy to spot.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: tallguy14
Posted 2012-11-04 20:29:12 and read 4369 times.

Hey everyone-- I was on the inaugural today and it was amazing. I'll post pics in the Trip Reports area of the forum.

United 787 Inaugural UA1116 Iahord (by tallguy14 Nov 4 2012 in Trip Reports)



[Edited 2012-11-04 20:54:25]

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: B737-112
Posted 2012-11-04 21:16:23 and read 3861 times.

I caught her arriving LAX:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGFz_H-Mcog

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Fiveholer
Posted 2012-11-05 04:37:54 and read 1690 times.

Woohoo, I'll be non-revving on 1243 today from IAH-LAX!

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-05 06:54:57 and read 2023 times.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):
I was on the flight in Economy Class, just a couple of rows back from Jeff Smisek who was also in Economy.

There was a great atmosphere on board with lots of aviation enthusiasts and folk from the industry. The flight was extremely smooth, and the impression inside was of a short A330 with better overhead bins. There were several negative comments about the window dimmers which are VERY slow to activate, don't dim the windows completely, and when the dimmer switch is activated it dims pairs of windows, not just the single window where the control switch is located.

It was an amazing flight. I was in row 17 right across the aisle from Smisek, that was very unexpected.

I was actually more impressed with the window dimmers than a lot of other people. I love looking out the window but with the sun shining directly in that's nearly impossible on other aircraft. Setting the dimmer to the middle was perfect, took the glare off and still had a great view of that incredible wing. It did take a while to get dark when you set it there and it wouldn't get totally dark, but seemed more than adequate for sleeping. It should be just fine on a long international flight where you'd only be adjusting the settings once or twice in flight.
The darkness level is set by the customer and I believe is essentially just a software thing. Smisek was talking about the debate going on about how dark they should get and said he'd like them to get as dark as possible.
I believe that only rows with 2 windows had the dimmers synced up. My row only had one window and the dimmer only controlled that one window.

The window dimmers may not be perfect but I'd choose them every time over a window shade.

Quoting sccutler (Reply 16):
Man, that wing is a work of art!

It really is. Incredible to see it flexing on takeoff and landing. Truly beautiful.


I was amused when we landed in ORD and Jeff Smisek pointed at an American 763 and called it a relic. I wonder if he feels the same way about the 21 year old UA 763 I flew to Houston on the day before.  

Overall it's an incredible plane. Economy is still a bit cramped but that seems to be the case no matter who you fly anymore. Everything else (IFE, luggage bins, lighting, general feeling of openness) was top notch. Can't wait until they have 787's flying throughout the system.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2012-11-05 07:34:37 and read 1972 times.

Smisek may have called the AA 763 a relic, but does he realize half of them will be retired starting 2014? And AA is introducing a FAR superior Business Class seat on the new 77Ws being delivered.

Why did UA introduce the 787 with such an outdated Business Class?

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: SonomaFlyer
Posted 2012-11-05 07:48:20 and read 2097 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 26):
Why did UA introduce the 787 with such an outdated Business Class?

Clearly they didn't feel a total redesign/revamp of the biz class was necessary at this point. The aircraft itself is a game changer and they are focused on the efficient nature of the aircraft itself.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2012-11-05 08:24:52 and read 2077 times.

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 27):
Clearly they didn't feel a total redesign/revamp of the biz class was necessary at this point.

Interesting. Even DL's new Business Class seat for its 763 "relics" is a better product than this seat. I don't disagree, the 763 is an old battle axe now, but I think passengers do care about seat comfort and privacy on longer flights, which the UA 787s will be flying. Passengers are less interested in whether the plane is made of plastic composites or aluminum.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-05 08:46:51 and read 2077 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 26):
Smisek may have called the AA 763 a relic, but does he realize half of them will be retired starting 2014? And AA is introducing a FAR superior Business Class seat on the new 77Ws being delivered.

Why did UA introduce the 787 with such an outdated Business Class?

It was an off the cuff remark. He knows AA is getting 787's but flying the 787 that day certainly did make everything else feel like old technology (because it is).

Not sure about the biz class, I haven't flown enough in business to really compare it to much else but it looked pretty good. Lie flat seat, huge TV screen and an excellent IFE system. I wouldn't want to be climbing over the aisle seat if I had a window but other than that it seemed like a very nice place to spend several hours.

I know it's not the latest and greatest but seems more than adequate for a long flight. Plus they can get 6 across in the 787 vs 4 across on DL and AA 777's. Are AA and DL able to charge enough of a premium to pay for the extra space the seats take up?

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2012-11-05 09:00:53 and read 2051 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 29):
Are AA and DL able to charge enough of a premium to pay for the extra space the seats take up?

AA and DL aren't using more space to give the passengers more room, they just make better use of the space. For example, on the new AA 77W, the seats are not completely forward facing, they're on a slight angle which allows them to be lie-flat in a 1-2-1 configuration. Having tried out the new AA seats last month for 777W training, I'm sure people are going to love them, lots of new features!

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: FriendlySkies
Posted 2012-11-05 09:43:38 and read 2023 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 30):
AA and DL aren't using more space to give the passengers more room, they just make better use of the space.

The pmCO business seats are also angled, but on the 787 they are in a 2-2-2 configuration, and on pmUA they manage to fit 2-4-2 in business and 1-2-1 in first on a 777. How does this "better use of space" account for the loss of one seat per row in a business class product?

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-05 10:14:34 and read 1986 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 30):
AA and DL aren't using more space to give the passengers more room, they just make better use of the space. For example, on the new AA 77W, the seats are not completely forward facing, they're on a slight angle which allows them to be lie-flat in a 1-2-1 configuration. Having tried out the new AA seats last month for 777W training, I'm sure people are going to love them, lots of new features!

Got it. Is there anywhere to find out the number of square feet each business class seat takes up? It's so hard to tell how much space they actually take up just by looking at seat maps.

There's no doubt that the UA biz seats are a few years out of date (probably because of the 787 delays) but they certainly seem good enough to compete with all but the latest offerings on AA and DL.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: 777STL
Posted 2012-11-05 10:19:19 and read 2020 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 25):
I was amused when we landed in ORD and Jeff Smisek pointed at an American 763 and called it a relic.

To be fair, it is. It's 30 year old technology at this point.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: boilerla
Posted 2012-11-05 10:33:22 and read 2010 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 28):
Interesting. Even DL's new Business Class seat for its 763 "relics" is a better product than this seat. I don't disagree, the 763 is an old battle axe now, but I think passengers do care about seat comfort and privacy on longer flights, which the UA 787s will be flying. Passengers are less interested in whether the plane is made of plastic composites or aluminum.

Personally I don't mind the UA J class product. Maybe I just don't leave my seat that often, but the person next to me was only fully reclined for about 3 hours, when we were both asleep anyway.

But anyway, nobody is paying more to buy DL's product over UA's because of seat assignments. It all comes down to route network, FF program, even price (my company lets me fly J, but I still have to choose the cheapest one!).

I do imagine the 787 will definitely get more people on board than seat arrangement due to the wow factor. I personally always choose a 777 flight over a 767 flight because I think the 767 feels cramped. If the 787 feels roomier like people say it does (I'll know for sure on Wednesday!) then I'd choose a 787 over 767, regardless of seat arrangement.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 26):
Smisek may have called the AA 763 a relic, but does he realize half of them will be retired starting 2014? And AA is introducing a FAR superior Business Class seat on the new 77Ws being delivered.

I really don't think they're that superior. I've flown them on CX. I slept most of the way so I can't say much about it but I can say for certain I wouldn't choose AA over UA because of it.

Too bad AA is putting in 10 abreast Y in their 77W. Kind of takes any sails out of the wind in their new biz class product.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-05 10:57:47 and read 1984 times.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 33):

To be fair, it is. It's 30 year old technology at this point.

I know, it was funny because UA flies plenty of those "relics" themselves. I was just on one on Saturday.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 34):
I do imagine the 787 will definitely get more people on board than seat arrangement due to the wow factor. I personally always choose a 777 flight over a 767 flight because I think the 767 feels cramped. If the 787 feels roomier like people say it does (I'll know for sure on Wednesday!) then I'd choose a 787 over 767, regardless of seat arrangement.

It's definitely roomier than the 767, more like an A330 than 767. Unfortunately it's 9 across in Y unlike the 8 across on most A330's but still felt much roomier than the 767.
Enjoy your flight on Wednesday! It's a great aircraft, I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: NYCAAer
Posted 2012-11-05 11:47:20 and read 1955 times.

Quoting boilerla (Reply 34):
I really don't think they're that superior. I've flown them on CX. I slept most of the way so I can't say much about it

Well, it must been a pretty good seat if you were able to sleep most of the way to/from HKG!

Personally, I sleep better without a stranger (snoring, coughing, etc. etc.) next to me. It's so much nicer to travel in a seat by itself if you're not flying with someone. Having flown as a passenger in AA's First Class suite and in Business Class with a person next to me, I'd far rather be in First! The new AA J seat and DL's being installed now allow you to be alone, so if I were a passenger and had the choice, I would choose that over a 787 with a passenger next to me. Maybe I'm anti-social when it comes to flying.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-06 07:51:28 and read 1881 times.

Anyone know why UA1553 is being operated by a 762 today? That should be the 787 flight. Hopefully no more issues...

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: MaverickM11
Posted 2012-11-06 08:05:28 and read 1882 times.

Quoting NYCAAer (Reply 26):
Why did UA introduce the 787 with such an outdated Business Class?

Primarily because the new seat was supposed to coincide with the new plane 4 years ago

Quoting boilerla (Reply 34):
But anyway, nobody is paying more to buy DL's product over UA's because of seat assignments. It all comes down to route network, FF program, even price (my company lets me fly J, but I still have to choose the cheapest one!).

  

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: dtw757
Posted 2012-11-06 09:37:20 and read 1864 times.

Quoting max550 (Reply 37):
Anyone know why UA1553 is being operated by a 762 today? That should be the 787 flight. Hopefully no more issues...

It was scheduled to be a 762 today on the revised schedule

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/26/ua-787domestic-update2/

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: max550
Posted 2012-11-06 11:18:53 and read 1818 times.

Quoting dtw757 (Reply 39):
It was scheduled to be a 762 today on the revised schedule

http://airlineroute.net/2012/10/26/u...ate2/

Thanks, guess I should have checked that. I hadn't realized it wouldn't be operating on Tuesdays.

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: EagleBoy
Posted 2012-11-06 11:37:28 and read 1836 times.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):
The flight was extremely smooth, and the impression inside was of a short A330 with better overhead bins.

Having been inside ZA003 a while back I think that is a pretty good description of the B788.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 12):
and when the dimmer switch is activated it dims pairs of windows, not just the single window where the control switch is located.

That seems like a strange set-up to ask for:


Playing with the dimmers! by tearbringer, on Flickr

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: Fiveholer
Posted 2012-11-06 15:17:11 and read 1793 times.

I was pretty impressed by how dark the dimmers got since I had seen compaints about them. I was thinking it was dark out already until I looked up a few rows. Frustrating to have an aisle seat on the backside of that beautiful wing only to have the guy IN the window seat have full dim on the window the entire flight!

Shade dimmer:
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...6569_4959528751108_665381529_n.jpg

Inflight UA1243 yesterday:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...9194_4959525431025_927616835_n.jpg

Mean wing, gotta see it in action!:
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...0541_4958404082992_377925342_n.jpg

Danny

[Edited 2012-11-06 15:18:51]

Topic: RE: United 787 First Revenue Flight Underway
Username: MSPNWA
Posted 2012-11-06 15:36:51 and read 1775 times.

These first reports have me pretty excited for December. I have a pair of 787 window seats booked on a trip to IAH. Those dimmers look neat. Can't wait to see that crazy wing out of those huge windows!


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