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Topic: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: eastafspot
Posted 2012-11-06 03:55:09 and read 1629 times.

"Virgin now eyes Dar es Salaam only weeks after dropping Nairobi"

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6 weeks after leaving Nairobi, for a number of reasons given in public none of which at the time made much sense, are news just breaking that Virgin will be flying to Dar es Salaam from early 2013, very likely in combination with a stop at Kilimanjaro. It is also understood that this time the airline got the right slots, making for perfect connections from and to the United States via London Heathrow, something which was a major problem for the flights to Nairobi which did not connect easily into the Virgin US network.
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Virgin is an arch rival of British Airways, which is also flying to Dar es Salaam, and will very likely offer fares below the level of BA, triggering a bonzana for tourists from the US but also starting a head on collision with British Airways which will undoubtedly have to respond in kind.
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The new route will be a major coup for Tanzania’s tourism industry, with all the associated promotional activities, as it is recalled with what creative marketing Virgin started its flights to Nairobi a few years ago, and will benefit the safari sector as well as some of the very exclusive beach resorts on Zanzibar and other islands.
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- Nairobi is the 7th busiest airport in Africa with 5.8 millions passengers
- Combined together Dar es Salaam (1.8 millions) and Kilimanjaro (0.65) would rank roughly 15 -16th

So do you think it can be good shift for VS?

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: HUYfan
Posted 2012-11-06 04:19:58 and read 1630 times.

JRO has been on BA's wishlist for years, but due to crewing issues, has not been possible. I would suspect VS's main destination on this routing will be JRO. Could have some potential.

Regards

HUYfan

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-11-06 04:20:46 and read 1630 times.

Well I believe NBO was also dropped with the increasing terrorism risks / security issues.

I can;t really see them launching any new (non remedy) routes next year and even if they did I would expect more Indian routes.

[Edited 2012-11-06 04:21:43]

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: factsonly
Posted 2012-11-06 06:16:17 and read 1630 times.

Quoting eastafspot (Thread starter):
Virgin is an arch rival of British Airways, which is also flying to Dar es Salaam, and will very likely offer fares below the level of BA, triggering a bonzana for tourists from the US but also starting a head on collision with British Airways which will undoubtedly have to respond in kind.

If VS launches a flight LHR-JRO-DAR-LHR, the airline is going head on with KLM's long-established daily flight AMS-JRO-DAR-AMS, which KLM is - for the first time - enhancing with a 2x weekly dedicated MD11 AMS-JRO-AMS over the peak winter tourism period Dec 2012-March 2013.

VS better be warned that KLM is the closest thing Europe has to a low-cost long-haul carrier, or a tough price competitor !!

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: FI642
Posted 2012-11-06 19:04:35 and read 1628 times.

Two great destinations... I love Tanzania. Can't wait to go back.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: behramjee
Posted 2012-11-06 23:48:35 and read 1630 times.

If VS has a spare wide bodied aircraft available as well as good slots to enable USA connections via LHR in both directions, then DAR is not the best option to consider when there are other routes which can guarantee higher S/F year round and at higher yields too.

These include BLR, DAC, ISB, LHE and CAI.

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: migair54
Posted 2012-11-07 06:13:37 and read 1628 times.

I must say that DAR might not look like a big destination, but it is, good loads of premium traffic, KLM everytime i take the flight is pretty full in Business, Economy and premium Economy, Same with Qatar, BA, Emirates, KQ... Egyptair is not so good usually and I have never flown with TK.

It´s a good mix of tourist and business and cargo, don´t forget cargo, good loads as well, flowers specially. Both in Kilimanjaro and DAR.

Quoting factsonly (Reply 3):
If VS launches a flight LHR-JRO-DAR-LHR, the airline is going head on with KLM's long-established daily flight AMS-JRO-DAR-AMS, which KLM is - for the first time - enhancing with a 2x weekly dedicated MD11 AMS-JRO-AMS over the peak winter tourism period Dec 2012-March 2013.

Yes they are really going strong on the route, maybe they knew that VS is planning to go as well. By the way Kilimanjaro is growing as well, now Rwandair, Kenya Airways, more flight from Ethiopian, Qatar Airways...

Don´t forget that some of the traffic can also do the triangle like the KLM pax do, they leave the plane in Kilimanjaro, go to the park (Serengeti, Manyara, Ngorongoro), from Arusha or Kilimanjaro fly to Zanzibar and then From there to DAR to KLM via Precision Air, there are plenty of them doing it everyday.

Quoting behramjee (Reply 5):

If VS has a spare wide bodied aircraft available as well as good slots to enable USA connections via LHR in both directions, then DAR is not the best option to consider when there are other routes which can guarantee higher S/F year round and at higher yields too.

These include BLR, DAC, ISB, LHE and CAI.

Yes and also much more difficult markets to make it work.


The flight they had into NBO was in a very bad schedule, because leaving NBO at something like 11 am must have been very limiting for the A343, often i saw them and i really though they will not take off, because they were running and running on the runuway, then they start climbing soooo slowly.... like a russian plane almost.....

In order to maximize the pay load and the connectivity they should leave NBO in the evening like Swiss, BA, KLM, SN, KQ (LHR, CDG, BKK).

I don´t know why they didn´t, someone told me that it was a slot issue but shortly after that I saw SN start flying to NBO with an A333, so the slot was there..... Must be for the same reason QR can´t fly to MBA....  Big grin

[Edited 2012-11-07 06:22:39]

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: anstar
Posted 2012-11-07 07:32:05 and read 1628 times.

Quoting migair54 (Reply 6):
I don´t know why they didn´t, someone told me that it was a slot issue but shortly after that I saw SN start flying to NBO with an A333, so the slot was there..... Must be for the same reason QR can´t fly to MBA....

Slots are restricted at LHR - Which explains why SN started flying as they dont fly NBO-LHR!

Topic: RE: Rumor: Virgin To Open Dar Es Salaam Early 2013?
Username: steve6666
Posted 2012-11-07 09:17:14 and read 1628 times.

OK, so if BA, with its extensive network feed can make this work only three times a week on an aircraft that is smaller than anything VS has, how is Virgin going to make it work? Once a week?

Surely there are more obvious uses of a slot and aircraft that Dar-es-Salaam?


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