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Topic: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-05 15:06:39 and read 1017 times.

I was flying out of JFK on Saturday, Nov 3rd, on US Airways to CLT and, upon driving into the terminal, I looked over and was flabbergasted to see an Air Canada Q400 boarding for the 6:55am flight to YYZ!

So, I am very proud to announce that John F. Kennedy International Airport once again has scheduled passenger prop service!  


JZA8901 departs JFK @ 6:55am
JZA8903 departs JFK @ 10:45am
JZA8905 departs JFK @ 5:40pm

Glad to see the new q400s of Air Canada coming to JFK and good to see prop service (pax anyway) back at JFK.

On a side note, it was cool to see the flight depart from runway 31R, while everybody else ws using 31L. I was able to watch it from the gate and watch it turn hard right and circle around to go north, before the end of the runway! Pretty cool sight!

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: connies4ever
Posted 2012-11-05 16:15:35 and read 1023 times.

Yes. this was announced in a media release a few weeks ago. AC can now offer more capacity at (likely) less cost to them. With the deployment of Q400s to Western Canada, also recently announced I think it likely that AC will acquire more.

Currently I believe Jazz have 15 and AC, through Sky Regional, either have or are committed to 21, and there are some options not yet taken up.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: YYZAMS
Posted 2012-11-05 18:33:36 and read 1023 times.

I knew there was AC service to JFK but didn't realize there was Q400 service....they aren't going into YTZ are they?

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: AirCanada787
Posted 2012-11-05 18:42:22 and read 1023 times.

Quoting YYZAMS (Reply 2):
I knew there was AC service to JFK but didn't realize there was Q400 service....they aren't going into YTZ are they?

No the flights are to YYZ. The only flights AC operates to YTZ are to YUL.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: infiniti329
Posted 2012-11-05 18:43:46 and read 1023 times.

They should fly the Q's into LGA instead of the CR2's.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-05 20:47:52 and read 1023 times.

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 4):

For the most part, LGA is a mainline station, so it does see some better planes than the CRJs (cough, cough, E-Jets)  

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: neveragain
Posted 2012-11-05 21:23:35 and read 1023 times.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Yes. this was announced in a media release a few weeks ago.

I thought the route was inaugurated in May with the Q400s, but I was wrong. Frequency has not changed since then (3x per day (AC's return to JFK since leaving in April 2009, when it ended service to YYC and YVR) but the Q400s have replaced the CRJ. Perhaps due to certification proceedings with Sky Regional?

(Interestingly enough, this service seems to be AC's first from YYZ to JFK for as long as I have records (1980).)

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-05 21:45:47 and read 1022 times.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):

Didn't they used to fly the route with DC-9s?

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: neveragain
Posted 2012-11-05 21:54:36 and read 1022 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 7):
Didn't they used to fly the route with DC-9s?

Probably in the 1970s. Until the early 2000s to LGA, yes.

I'm sure Viscount724 or longhauler can give us the real story.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: RJLover
Posted 2012-11-06 02:43:45 and read 1021 times.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):
Perhaps due to certification proceedings with Sky Regional?

Nothing to do with Sky Regional. The route is flown by QK (Jazz).

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: oksman
Posted 2012-11-06 03:22:57 and read 1021 times.

That's right. I'm booked for JZA8905 on December 3rd and for my surprise I received this week an Itinerary Change from AC. I will love to fly the Q400 but I was let down as it would be my first flight also on a CRJ.

Actually JZA8905 is scheduled for 5:50pm not 5:40pm.

[Edited 2012-11-06 03:25:30]

As a side note, I would expect the Q400 to be slower than the CRJ. Interestngly though, arrival time is the same. Can someone explain that?


[Edited 2012-11-06 03:32:28]

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-06 05:23:49 and read 1021 times.

Quoting oksman (Reply 10):

The cruising speed of the CRJ is 437 knots
The cruising speed of the Q400 is 360 knots.

So, the cruising speed difference isn't as drastic as one might think, but there is still a 77-knot difference.

The arrival times are probably due to schedule padding.

Hope this helps

**Just incase somebody here doesn't know what that is, schedule padding is when an airline lists a flight to be longer than it actually is, so if there are any minor delays (i.e. long taxi, late pushback (not too late) headwind, holding patterns), the flight won't be as late, so people who have to connect won't have tight connections.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: longhauler
Posted 2012-11-06 06:49:51 and read 1021 times.

Quoting neveragain (Reply 6):
(Interestingly enough, this service seems to be AC's first from YYZ to JFK for as long as I have records (1980).)
Quoting neveragain (Reply 8):
I'm sure Viscount724 or longhauler can give us the real story.

This thread explains it very well:

Air Canada In New York City In The Past. (by doulasc Jul 3 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 5):
For the most part, LGA is a mainline station, so it does see some better planes than the CRJs (cough, cough, E-Jets)

The E175s are in the process of being transferred to Air Canada Express operated by Sky Regional Airlines. The majority of LGA ops are E175s, so over time LGA is becoming less and less of a mainline station. Although, I have operated a B767 into LGA.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: spiritair97
Posted 2012-11-06 08:15:46 and read 1021 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Though last time I was at LG I saw 6 Air Canada aircraft and only 2 more E-175s. The others were E-190s. Are they being transferred over as well?

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: longhauler
Posted 2012-11-06 08:20:32 and read 1021 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 13):
Are they being transferred over as well?

No, just the E175s.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: yyz717
Posted 2012-11-06 10:12:01 and read 1021 times.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 1):
Currently I believe Jazz have 15 and AC, through Sky Regional, either have or are committed to 21, and there are some options not yet taken up.

Jazz operates 15 Q400's (the original order for 15 are all in service now) and has 6 more on order (which will displace 9 CRJ-100's). In addition to YYZ-JFK, Jazz operates the Q400 on some weekend rotations YYZ-BOS.

SkyRegional operates 5 Q400's on just 2 routes: YUL-YTZ/YQM.

Jazz does not operate to YTZ. Air Georgian B1900's are frequently seen at YTZ operating corporate charters to Rouyn/ Noranda.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: oksman
Posted 2012-11-06 11:42:24 and read 1023 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):

Sure it does! Thanks for the information!

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: skyhawkmatthew
Posted 2012-11-06 13:13:03 and read 1020 times.

Quoting oksman (Reply 10):
As a side note, I would expect the Q400 to be slower than the CRJ. Interestngly though, arrival time is the same. Can someone explain that?
Quoting spiritair97 (Reply 11):
So, the cruising speed difference isn't as drastic as one might think, but there is still a 77-knot difference.

The arrival times are probably due to schedule padding.

Presumably ATC routing plays a part as well — an example is Qantas' SYD-CBR flights (which are quite short at 128nm), which are blocked at 0:55 for 737 services and 0:50 for Q400s.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: B6JFKH81
Posted 2012-11-07 11:45:10 and read 1019 times.

Quoting spiritair97 (Thread starter):
On a side note, it was cool to see the flight depart from runway 31R, while everybody else ws using 31L. I was able to watch it from the gate and watch it turn hard right and circle around to go north, before the end of the runway! Pretty cool sight!

I remember a few years back when DL tried to flood JFK with DASH 8's, that's the departure pattern they used to take too. It was kinda neat to see. The endeavor, however, was short lived.

Topic: RE: AC Q400s At JFK
Username: neveragain
Posted 2012-11-08 00:20:01 and read 1018 times.

Quoting RJLover (Reply 9):
Nothing to do with Sky Regional. The route is flown by QK (Jazz).

Thank you for the correction. I associate "Express" with Sky Regional, and then I have to remind myself of the rebranding and reorganization of the regional services. Sad to see AC following the American example.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 12):
This thread explains it very well:

Thank you longhauler. I knew you would have the answer.

1982 was the last year for YYZ-JFK nonstop service according to Viscount724, and I've never seen him proven wrong.


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