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Topic: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: michiganatc
Posted 2012-11-04 15:16:05 and read 3240 times.

I noticed on Google Earth 2012 that there are (2) L1011's parked on the west remote ramp at TUS. They have titles that say, "The Flying Hospital." ...whatever that means. Are both of these still there and airworthy? I noticed a picture in the database of P4-MED and the caption say's it hasn't flown in a while.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-04 15:29:20 and read 3210 times.

P4-MES? Another Aruba registered aircraft? That's a bit sketchy   

From what I heard one is engineless and the other has a lot of maintenance issues. IIRC neither flew since 2010.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: dash500
Posted 2012-11-04 18:54:02 and read 2819 times.

It's the same aircraft (P4-MED) photographed in different positions (and in different times). I doubt it will ever fly again, unless it gets a special ferry permit for a museum or something like that.

It hasn't flown for ages and it must have a whole world of inoperative systems and ADs to comply with. And it would have to change its engines to the RB211-524B standard just like the Orbital's L-1011 did.

When Delta stopped flying the L-1011 in 2001, their last L-1011 (the "Delta Belle") was donated to the "Flying Hospital" organization in order to keep P4-MED flying and not to be a second airworthy aircraft.

Let's face it, the L-1011 is almost dead  
I miss it ... as a passenger since the 80's and as a cabin crew in 2007 and 2008.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: L1011dal
Posted 2012-11-04 19:37:44 and read 2734 times.

Here's more info, even though dated, on the flying hospital and a graphic from interior and some interior shots.

http://www.l1011.homestead.com/flyinghosp.html

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-11-04 23:48:41 and read 2488 times.

It ain't flying anywhere anytime soon. There's a huge rust/oil leak spot under the left wing and it hasn't moved since 2010. You can get real close to it--the left wing hangs over the fence, actually.

Here's an article I posted a couple years back on it.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/arti...6-4d5f-5903-8071-2a8e2cd8b763.html

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: klemmi85
Posted 2012-11-05 05:29:21 and read 2279 times.

There also is the Orbis Flying Hospital, though it's a DC-10.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: N737AA
Posted 2012-11-05 06:26:59 and read 2280 times.

This could possibly be the same aircraft that Lockheed AeroMod in TUS did back around that timeframe. I remember there were a couple of hospital conversion projects. We were doing hospital conversions for the Saudi Royal family at the time. I think we did two for the Saudi's and one for a private group.....many years ago....details are kinda fuzzy. I worked primairly on the King of Saudi Arabia's 747.

FYI....Lockheed AeroMod closed its doors in TUS just after these aircraft were complete.

N737AA

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-11-05 07:25:47 and read 2276 times.

Quoting N737AA (Reply 6):
This could possibly be the same aircraft that Lockheed AeroMod in TUS did back around that timeframe.

Was that timeframe 1995-1996? That's when Operation Blessing bought the L1011 and had it converted.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-05 11:18:02 and read 2276 times.

The article states it was grounded after 9/11 . I doubt it's going anywhere but the scrapper.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2012-11-05 19:03:45 and read 2276 times.

The last time it flew was November, 2001 when it went to ATL to be checked. Yes, it was converted by Lockheed in 1996. The Operating Blessing crew used to go out every Wednesday and start the engines and every once in a while get Hamilton to attach a tug so the tires wouldn't get flat spots but that seems to have ended 8 or 9 years ago. And I really don't think any museum will ever want to pay what it would take to fly it out, she is doomed. Bet on Pima college getting her though.

One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

[Edited 2012-11-05 19:06:15]

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-11-05 19:54:13 and read 2276 times.

Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-05 20:29:33 and read 2275 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.

I thought he had a 747SP?

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-11-05 22:07:10 and read 2276 times.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 9):
One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

I never heard that. Cool piece of trivia.

By the way, please keep clicking on the article about the plane. You're going to totally screw up the paper's web traffic count this week. It's the 10th most popular story today--nearly two years after it was written.      

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: scbriml
Posted 2012-11-05 22:23:47 and read 2275 times.

I saw P4-MED at TUS in March 2011 and it hadn't flown for some time then.

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Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-11-06 01:04:11 and read 2275 times.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 9):
One more small detail, it never served as a hospital and the flight to Atanta was the only time it left TUS.

That is incorrect. From 1996-2000 it indeed served as a hospital flying many medical missions around the world. The photo database has a few shots of N787M / P4-MED in various locations around the globe:


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If you still don't believe it, here's a link to the guy who piloted it on a round-the-world mission in 1999.

http://www.rollanet.org/~mopilots/gateway/apr2004gw.htm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
I thought he had a 747SP?

Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-06 04:09:04 and read 2273 times.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 14):
Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.

And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: NASCARAirforce
Posted 2012-11-06 14:34:32 and read 2273 times.

Quoting akelley728 (Reply 14):
Operation Blessing was founded by Pat Robertson. However, you both are thinking of the 747SP (N4522V) that the "Global Peace Initiative" (Dr. K. A. Paul) owns.

It was Pat Robertson. I remember there was a big deal about it a few years back when a pilot revealed what Robertson was doing with diamond mining.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-06 15:48:29 and read 2273 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.

That's what I was talking about    I heard that someone is trying to buy it for parting out.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: 26point2
Posted 2012-11-06 16:02:25 and read 2273 times.

I believe P4-MED was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing below the cheat line.

I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

[Edited 2012-11-06 16:07:44]

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-06 16:12:51 and read 2273 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
This aircraft was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing. I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

5 L-1011s were ordered by PSA with the lower-deck lounge but they only took delivery of 2. The other 3 were cancelled at a late stage and delivered to German leisure carrier LTU (now part of Air Berlin). PSA only operated the 2 L-1011s for less than a year. It made no sense for PSA to operate widebodies, and even less so with lounges, when their longest flight was roughly 90 minutes and most were shorter.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-06 16:37:38 and read 2273 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 17):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 15):
And that sadly sits derelict in Tijuana.

That's what I was talking about I heard that someone is trying to buy it for parting out.

I read that it has corrosion issues. Parts are unfortunetly all it's good for.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: IMissPiedmont
Posted 2012-11-06 17:58:46 and read 2272 times.

The one that flew around the world was not this airframe. A different airframe was leased and painted in the colors, it had none of the interior though. How do I know this one may ask. Fair enough, I've been to TUS almost every day since 1987. Just don't ask me which airframe was flying around, I do not know.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-11-06 22:22:26 and read 2272 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
I believe P4-MED was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing below the cheat line.

You are correct. P4-MED was one of two PSA "Mother Grinning Birds."

Someone needs to paint a smile on the L10 in Tucson.

[Edited 2012-11-06 22:22:53]

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United727
Posted 2012-11-07 07:04:06 and read 2272 times.

Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
I read that it has corrosion issues.

Are you talking about the L10 or the 74SP?

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2012-11-07 10:02:07 and read 2272 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
5 L-1011s were ordered by PSA with the lower-deck lounge but they only took delivery of 2. The other 3 were cancelled at a late stage and delivered to German leisure carrier LTU (now part of Air Berlin). PSA only operated the 2 L-1011s for less than a year. It made no sense for PSA to operate widebodies, and even less so with lounges, when their longest flight was roughly 90 minutes and most were shorter.

The biggest reason that the L-1011 did not work for PSA was the rising fuel costs. When ordered, PSA was paying 9-11 cents per gallon, but with the fuel crisis that began in 1973, Shell cut back deliveries to PSA and raised the price of fuel to 30 cents per gallon.

The other hindrance to fitting into the PSA operation was most thru flights were on the ground for only 20 minutes and even turn arounds went back into the air in about 30 minutes. It was not practical to do the same ground times with the L-1011 and PSA's schedule included many city pairs with frequent (in some cases hourly) departures.

N10112 (now N787M) went into service in August of 1974. N10114 was delivered in August 1974 but was used for a Lockheed Promotional trip including a visit to the Farnborough Air Show. It began regular service with PSA in October 1974. Both aircraft were pulled from the schdule in April 1975 where they sat at the PSA Hanger in SAN for a while before being sent to Marana.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-07 10:18:17 and read 2361 times.

Quoting United727 (Reply 23):
Quoting United_fan (Reply 20):
I read that it has corrosion issues.

Are you talking about the L10 or the 74SP?

The -SP in Tijuana.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: HPRamper
Posted 2012-11-07 11:32:55 and read 2399 times.

Quoting klemmi85 (Reply 5):
There also is the Orbis Flying Hospital, though it's a DC-10.

Soon to be retired and replaced by an MD10 from FX.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
I believe P4-MED was delivered to PSA with the unique lower level passenger cabin (with no windows) evident by the pax entry door just forward of the left wing below the cheat line.

I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

Yikes, like being in steerage on the Titanic.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: United727
Posted 2012-11-07 15:29:49 and read 2424 times.

What's the general condition and MX state of 87M? Anyone want to take a ballpark stab at the cost of engine upgrades and a Heavy Check!?!?

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2012-11-07 16:33:22 and read 2418 times.

Quoting 26point2 (Reply 18):
I believe 2 aircraft in this config were delivered to PSA. I can't imagine this was popular way to travel.

There was more to the lower area than just the lounge. A section was set up so you could bring you own bag on board and place it in the rack. Upon arrival, you could exit through the lounge and pick up your bag without having to wait for it in baggage claim.

There were only 16 seats in the lower lounge area and yes it did not have any windows except the one in the door. It was set up with a bar area and once airborne and stable, the flight attendants would open the bar. Also remember that most flights were about an hour block to block.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: longhauler
Posted 2012-11-07 16:59:12 and read 2416 times.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 26):
Yikes, like being in steerage on the Titanic.

It looked like a pleasant place to spend time.

http://www.psa-history.org/hangar/l10.php?pic=60

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: TZTriStar500
Posted 2012-11-07 17:31:43 and read 2407 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
It was Pat Robertson. I remember there was a big deal about it a few years back when a pilot revealed what Robertson was doing with diamond mining.

I read the article and it states Operation Blessing aircraft were used and they had other leased aircraft for relief efforts. This aircraft was always configured as a hospital with them so I do not believe it was used for this.

Quoting United727 (Reply 27):
What's the general condition and MX state of 87M? Anyone want to take a ballpark stab at the cost of engine upgrades and a Heavy Check!?!?

Small correction, the aircraft is still registered as P4-MED and is no longer N787M. I used to work supporting the L-1011 fleet of ATA in engineering matters and when ATA went out of business in 2008, I was contacted by the Lockheed L-1011 support guys in Marietta about an effort to bring her back. As we can see now, that never happened. Knowing L-1011s, since it has not flown since 2001, it there are several major structural ADs that would have to be done with limited to know parts left as well as major -22B engine issues. There was an AD that essentially made them no longer feasible and nobody overhauls them any more so the aircraft would have to be mod'ed to -524s like the Orbital aircraft. As to cost, ATA's last D check in 2007 on a -500 that was already in-service was $1.5million plus.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: DL_Mech
Posted 2012-11-07 17:36:54 and read 2411 times.

Quoting longhauler (Reply 29):
It looked like a pleasant place to spend time.

http://www.psa-history.org/hangar/l1...ic=60

That picture is of a Lockheed mockup, however the two pictures lower in the page is of the real lounge in the airplane (note the ashtray in the side of the swivel chair).

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 28):
A section was set up so you could bring you own bag on board and place it in the rack.

The baggage storage was in the lower galley, the lounge was in the forward cargo compartment (with a lowered floor to match the galley floor level). I wonder if they kept the two sliding doors between the two open in flight?

Here is a good picture of an ex-PSA galley showing some of the baggage storage. Too bad there aren't any more pictures of this unusual galley.


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Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-07 18:50:47 and read 2406 times.

These are/were the Orbis flying "eye" hospital. I believe Orbis if still dicing and splicing flies MD-11's. I could be wrong. A noble endeavor none the less.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: PSAJet17
Posted 2012-11-07 19:06:26 and read 2402 times.

Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 31):
Here is a good picture of an ex-PSA galley showing some of the baggage storage. Too bad there aren't any more pictures of this unusual galley.

Actually this aircraft was never delivered to PSA...it was the 5th of 5 ordered but PSA only took delivery of the first two. Original registration was N10117.

This does show some of the layout of the "carry on" baggage storage area in the lower deck where other carriers would have had the galley equipment.

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: Skydrol
Posted 2012-11-07 19:40:50 and read 2413 times.

This link shows the layout of the lounge:




Interesting...



What was the winning name for the lower lounge?

It was to be announced no later than November 1, 1974, and the airplanes remained in service with PSA until spring, 1975, so it should have been made public, but I didn't see it on the PSA history site.


Too bad one of these two airplanes didn't end up in a museum. Lower deck lounge was a rare option.





LD4

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: TZTriStar500
Posted 2012-11-07 21:05:00 and read 2407 times.

Since this discussion mentioned the lower deck lounge, here is a photo I found at an airline collectibles show presumably from either a mockup or the actual airplane complete with a PSA F/A. Enjoy the trip back to the '70's!

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: chrisair
Posted 2012-11-07 21:38:19 and read 2396 times.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 35):
Enjoy the trip back to the '70's!

God damn, that uniform. That's why I absolutely love(d) PSA. Plus it (and AirCal) were "hometown" airlines, even though I'm from Northern California...

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-11-07 22:02:29 and read 2402 times.

Quoting IMissPiedmont (Reply 21):
The one that flew around the world was not this airframe. A different airframe was leased and painted in the colors, it had none of the interior though. How do I know this one may ask. Fair enough, I've been to TUS almost every day since 1987. Just don't ask me which airframe was flying around, I do not know.

I did a search of a.net threads on the Flying Hospital going back almost ten years. In every single thread you claim that the Flying Hospital never did any medical missions, a "scam since day 1". I'm not sure why you have a vendetta against this particular plane, unless you have a beef against Pat Robertson or the 700 Club (and believe me, I would perfectly understand if you did). The plane was a money pit for CBN and did not live up to its potential. However, your statements do a great disservice to those that actually served on the plane and to the patients whose lives were changed as a result of having surgery on board.

In 1999 Operation Smile used the Flying Hospital for its "World Journey of Hope":

http://www.operationsmile.org/living...estones/world-journey-of-hope.html

Below is a youtube video of the World Journey of Hope:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAG1GdiUPMo

If there is any doubt this was N10112 (PSA registration)/ N787M / P4-MED, you will see at 2:45, 2:56, 3:36, and 6:01 that there are people boarding the Flying Hospital by the lower air stairs that were unique to the former PSA aircraft with the lower level lounge.

At 1:45, you can also see that the seats the people in the front cabin were sitting in look just like the seats taken inside of P4-MED when it visited Atlanta in July of 2001.


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Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: akelley728
Posted 2012-11-07 22:22:35 and read 2405 times.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Didn't Pat Robertson that Televangelist have one that he was trying to pose as a flying hospital but it was actually being used to haul diamond mining equipment around Africa.
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 16):
It was Pat Robertson. I remember there was a big deal about it a few years back when a pilot revealed what Robertson was doing with diamond mining.

You are right about Pat Robertson and the diamond mining, the reference to the 747SP threw me off. However, the L1011 was not used in that operation - it was run by a couple of DH4 Caribous in the 1994-1995 timeframe. The L1011 Flying Hospital didn't start operating until 1996.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 32):
These are/were the Orbis flying "eye" hospital. I believe Orbis if still dicing and splicing flies MD-11's. I could be wrong. A noble endeavor none the less.

You are incorrect. Orbis has only flown a DC-8 and DC-10, the L1011 we are talking about was operated by Operation Blessing. FedEx has donated an MD-10 that will be Orbis' third generation eye hospital. The modular surgical units that will be eventually installed on the MD-10 are currently under construction.

http://www.orbis.org/Default.aspx?cid=9464&lang=1

Topic: RE: The Flying Hospital-L1011
Username: DL_Mech
Posted 2012-11-08 05:57:34 and read 2368 times.

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 33):
Actually this aircraft was never delivered to PSA...it was the 5th of 5 ordered but PSA only took delivery of the first two. Original registration was N10117.

True, but it was built to PSA specs and painted in the PSA livery at the factory. From the photo that I posted, I'm surprised that LTU never modified the galley to a more conventional setup, one that at least had ovens. I assume that they modified the cargo floor (and removed the lounge) to get some use out of the space. Sadly, the one member of this site that could answer that question (474218), passed away earlier this year.

I went aboard N787M (P4-MED) at Delta in 2001, and it was the most beautiful Tristar that I've seen. Being in a PSA configuration (lower lounge intact), was just icing on the cake. It is truly a shame that this low-time airplane will never fly again, and will probably end up as scrap.


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