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Topic: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: flpuck6
Posted 2012-11-05 06:26:24 and read 1395 times.

Hello everyone,

Spotted on approach 04R @ KBOS this morning a Delta 772LR around 9am local time.

What brought this beauty here this morning ?

Thanks !

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: premobrimo
Posted 2012-11-05 06:36:35 and read 1396 times.

DL7 from DXB. Diversion.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...7/history/20121104/1905Z/OMDB/KBOS

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: Deltalaw
Posted 2012-11-05 08:41:48 and read 1396 times.

Anyone know the reason for the diversion?

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: premobrimo
Posted 2012-11-05 09:48:24 and read 1395 times.

My guess is MX, since they departed 6 hours late to begin with.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: jcarv
Posted 2012-11-05 13:23:13 and read 1395 times.

MX delay out of DXB causing crew to time out. Entire crew needed to be replaced. New crews flight from ATL was delayed 2 hours (DL800) which further delayed DL7 out of BOS.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: factsonly
Posted 2012-11-09 01:54:28 and read 1393 times.

9 November 2012 - Another DL 007 diversion....this time to AMS for medical reasons:

- Delta Air Lines N705DN DL 0007 from: Dubai arr. 03:25
- Delta Air Lines N705DN DL 0007 to: Atlanta dep. 04:41

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-11-09 04:50:08 and read 1393 times.

Quoting jcarv (Reply 4):
MX delay out of DXB causing crew to time out. Entire crew needed to be replaced. New crews flight from ATL was delayed 2 hours (DL800) which further delayed DL7 out of BOS.

I know this is common across the industry but a diversion due to "crew timing out" has to be one of the stupidest rules ever invented.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2012-11-09 06:43:49 and read 1393 times.

Well, do you want your crew on duty for more than 16 hrs? I don't fly across the ponds, but I have worked a 16 hr day, and i can say without a doubt I was fatigued at the end of the day and my judgement/reactions weren't as sharp. Now you want the crew to just continue? How long is too long? 18, 20 hrs?

It is better to fly to BOS and take a complete flight delay of 8 or 9 hrs, than park the plane in DBX for another 24hrs and start fresh the next day.

Wingnut

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: tb727
Posted 2012-11-09 07:21:11 and read 1393 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 6):
I know this is common across the industry but a diversion due to "crew timing out" has to be one of the stupidest rules ever invented.

It's a rule for a reason. Depending on the person, after being awake for 20-24 hours your reactions are the same as if you were legally drunk.

You want to hear a stupid rule? Under Part 121 Supplemental flying, there is no duty day at all or required rest period for flying outside the lower 48. Just don't fly over 12 hours in any 24 hour period. Many cargo carriers fall under this type of flying. A lot of people that don't understand will say "well it's cargo, not people" It's not a good argument.

It seems that the stop in BOS for a crew swap is perfect for getting the trip done with minimal delay under the circumstances.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: mi5flyer
Posted 2012-11-09 08:24:54 and read 1393 times.

I think the flight probably has 2 crews that fly a max of 9 hrs each. This gives the flight about 18 hrs. to be completed or somebody goes illegal. That's seemed to be the way it was on the JNB-ATL flight I took. Suffered only about an hour delay for MX and the crew said we couldn't take much more or the flight would be canceled for the day.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: airbazar
Posted 2012-11-09 08:37:42 and read 1395 times.

Quoting wingnutmn (Reply 7):
Well, do you want your crew on duty for more than 16 hrs? I don't fly across the ponds, but I have worked a 16 hr day, and i can say without a doubt I was fatigued at the end of the day and my judgement/reactions weren't as sharp. Now you want the crew to just continue? How long is too long? 18, 20 hrs?

You're exagerating. IIRC, they get 2 full nights in DXB then fly back with 2 crews. The crew rest has beds fopr them to sleep on. They're not tired by any stretch of the imagination.

Topic: RE: Delta 772LR At BOS 05NOV12
Username: wingnutmn
Posted 2012-11-09 10:31:36 and read 1393 times.

Quoting airbazar (Reply 10):

2 nights or not, you are still fighting jet lag or trying to sleep in the middle of the day to "try" and stay on a reasonable time schedule. Even if you have 2 crews, they both may be tired. What if there is turbulence and the relief crew can't rest? It is very easy to end up for 20 hrs and then try to land a plane. A task much easier said than done. I don't feel like it is an exaggeration at all!

Wingnut


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