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Topic: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: SKAirbus
Posted 2012-11-12 02:26:39 and read 3538 times.

Link: http://www.thebasource.com/british-airways-a380-g-xlea-first-flight/

According to the link above, BA's first A380 G-XLEA made its first flight on Friday from Toulouse.

No information on A380production.com yet but most first flight aircraft tend to reposition to Finkenwerder. I guess as this is the first flight of the HGW version, that more testing at TLS will be required before it moves to outfitting.

Also in the link is a further link to the proposed seat map for the BA A380. Seems a bit messy if you ask me with J and Y split across two decks.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: Bthebest
Posted 2012-11-12 03:05:45 and read 3546 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Seems a bit messy if you ask me with J and Y split across two decks.

Looks like they could fit all J on Main deck and group Y/W on upper deck, although hard to tell.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: LH422
Posted 2012-11-12 04:00:13 and read 3546 times.

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 1):

Looks like they could fit all J on Main deck and group Y/W on upper deck, although hard to tell.

I don't think any airline will put less seats on the main deck than on the upper deck. The jet bridge distribution being one good reason for this.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: vhtje
Posted 2012-11-12 04:25:35 and read 3548 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also in the link is a further link to the proposed seat map for the BA A380. Seems a bit messy if you ask me with J and Y split across two decks.

I quite agree - but I think the reason is width of the upper deck. In J, they are showing only 7 seats abreast, with only one rearward-facing seat in the middle of each row. The paired rearward-facing centre seats in the 8 seat abreast layout is very popular with couples. I suspect that by splitting the Y and J cabins, BA are trying to not lose the rearward facing seat pairs.

Personally, I'd hate the centre single seat on the upper deck - it would be very claustrophobic with the sliding partitions up.

I can see this arrangement being a mess at boarding - if you were in J or Y, how do you know which air bridge to use?

Interestingly they have put loos in the dead space on the front upper deck where other carriers put wasteful "lounges" which, in my experience, no one ever seems to use. I'd prefer a spacious loo over a cold and clinical lounge any day (are you listening, Qantas, Air France and Korean?)

Quoting LH422 (Reply 2):
I don't think any airline will put less seats on the main deck than on the upper deck. The jet bridge distribution being one good reason for this.

I should think evacuation certification as well has an impact on how passenger numbers are spread over the decks.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: shankly
Posted 2012-11-12 04:26:24 and read 3548 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Also in the link is a further link to the proposed seat map for the BA A380. Seems a bit messy if you ask me with J and Y split across two decks


Agree. Some interesting cabin layout compromises there....wouldn't want to be on that last row of WT+ between the toilets for 12 hours, but the rear upper deck WT cabin should be nice

Upper deck front is going to be the Club cabin of choice...quiet and no interloping riff raff!

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: jetMarc
Posted 2012-11-12 04:36:27 and read 3554 times.

Can anyone explain why the one random missing seat on the main deck economy cabin mid section? Its all 3-4-3 except one row that is 3-3-3 minus one randome middle aisle seat...

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-11-12 04:55:26 and read 3559 times.

Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
No information on A380production.com yet but most first flight aircraft tend to reposition to Finkenwerder. I guess as this is the first flight of the HGW version, that more testing at TLS will be required before it moves to outfitting.

There has been extensive info on the A380production.com website, including links to plenty of pics.

http://forum.a380production.com/boar.../showthread.php?1220-MSN095-(BA-1)

First flight was not the ferry flight, as MSN095 returned to TLS.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: APYu
Posted 2012-11-12 04:57:35 and read 3562 times.

Quoting jetMarc (Reply 5):

There's an escape hatch from a crew rest area I believe.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-11-12 06:03:51 and read 3548 times.

One thing of note about this layout is the distinct lack of toilets on the main deck?

Depending on how you look at the layout there is no toilets in Club World at all !? Unless the 4 toilets between J and Y for J pax only? I assume that these will not be use of J & Y pax?

If so then the whole of main deck Y (199 pax) are required to use 4 toilets at the very back of the plane. This seems very poor and also requires pax from row 11 back to use toilets at row 32.

Is that correct or am I miss-reading the map?

Sandyb123

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-12 06:32:26 and read 3546 times.

Quoting vhtje (Reply 3):
Personally, I'd hate the centre single seat on the upper deck - it would be very claustrophobic with the sliding partitions up.

I agree. I think they should put all of J downstairs, and move F to the forward cabin upstairs. Stick a big galley behind F, then have 60W and 150-160Y.

Downstairs, J in the forward cabin (I guess about 5, maybe 6 rows), then in the second cabin with those galleys/toilets shifted back into the front 3-4 rows of Y. That then leaves about 150-160 Y on the lower deck and means 12F/90J/60W/310Y which is pretty similar overall to this proposal.

The biggest drawback is that F would share a bridge with W/Y (unless they boarded downstairs with J and walked up the forward stairs).

The other way to go is to go totally wild with the premium seating, and do something like 14-18F/120J/70W/200Y (400 total). That would allow them to merge flights to highly premium cities that have too much Y capacity but fly full premium cabins on the 744.

Quoting APYu (Reply 9):
There's an escape hatch from a crew rest area I believe.

   It features on many other airlines as well.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: mutu
Posted 2012-11-12 06:51:29 and read 3546 times.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 11):
The other way to go is to go totally wild with the premium seating, and do something like 14-18F/120J/70W/200Y (400 total). That would allow them to merge flights to highly premium cities that have too much Y capacity but fly full premium cabins on the 744.

well its 12F 97J 55W and 303Y for a total count of 469

Splitting the J cabin may work well in fact. Big big J cabins lose a certain "quality" feel and can stretch crew.

I would however properly reserve judgement until I see n actual detailed scale plan!!

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: tcx69k
Posted 2012-11-12 08:57:28 and read 3547 times.

Quote:
well its 12F 97J 55W and 303Y for a total count of 469
14F

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-12 09:02:28 and read 3547 times.

Quoting mutu (Reply 10):
well its 12F 97J 55W and 303Y for a total count of 469

Sorry, I didn't realise those figures were confirmed... The BA Source config is probably far more realistic than mine as well.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: 777way
Posted 2012-11-12 10:39:38 and read 3549 times.

If BA are getting a new livery this will be the third A380 to go back into paint to get new tail logo, like AF and MH.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: vhtje
Posted 2012-11-12 11:06:20 and read 3547 times.

Quoting 777way (Reply 13):
If BA are getting a new livery this will be the third A380 to go back into paint to get new tail logo, like AF and MH.

No, the fourth. You forgot QF.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: VFRontop
Posted 2012-11-12 13:44:10 and read 3544 times.

Quoting vhtje (Reply 3):

Even with 8 of the 16 exits blocked the A380 can be evacuated by 853 passengers, 18 cabin crew, and two pilots, all in 78 seconds. Unless BA is thinking of using Michael O'Leary's "standing room only", evac certification shouldn't effect the configuration plans.

It will be interesting to see what BA decide on.

Quoting mutu (Reply 10):

I agree, if the J cabins are too large they can lose their atmosphere and "quality".

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-13 00:07:10 and read 3550 times.

XFW ferry flight scheduled for today.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: EK773
Posted 2012-11-13 00:44:50 and read 3546 times.

I think it makes perfect sense to split the JCL cabin between two decks. One of the biggest complaints passengers make of existing JCL A380 cabins is that the cabin is so large, service can take some time and there is no exclusive feel. Provided BA have enough crew resources across both decks, it should be a good experience for the passengers.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: APYu
Posted 2012-11-13 01:14:10 and read 3545 times.

Fingers crossed they have more than two crew working each aisle upstairs in J or service will take forever! You never know with BA though!

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-13 03:33:04 and read 3542 times.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 16):
XFW ferry flight scheduled for today.
http://fr24.com/AIB02SK

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: EK413
Posted 2012-11-13 04:24:53 and read 3543 times.

Very boring post without the video!!!

http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2F#/watch?v=8ajsv5GVJZY

Btw video plays after the photo slides 0:09seconds... 

EK413

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: babybus
Posted 2012-11-13 06:18:10 and read 3541 times.

Quoting mutu (Reply 10):
well its 12F 97J 55W and 303Y

Now that is a lot of revenue earning. BA must be dead excited about this bird coming on line, like the rest of us.

The use of the upstairs front space for toilets is a great idea.

It's a shame they didn't do a first class bar area which would have been a nice add on to the first class cabin experience.

The great thing about the A380 is the ability to stand up and walk around, and not to stay stuck in your seat.

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: sandyb123
Posted 2012-11-13 08:52:03 and read 3541 times.

Quoting VFRontop (Reply 15):
I agree, if the J cabins are too large they can lose their atmosphere and "quality".

Agreed. On the EK 380 I felt like J was quite impersonal and cramped. I spent about 3 hours at the bar which is spacious by comparison but doesn't have bar stools 
Quoting babybus (Reply 21):
The use of the upstairs front space for toilets is a great idea.

This is common across all A380 operators with either one or two WC ahead of the upper deck front doors. EK famously with showers.

Quoting babybus (Reply 21):
It's a shame they didn't do a first class bar area which would have been a nice add on to the first class cabin experience.

BA are being quite hush hush about what exact interior specifications look like. We could still see something like a bar on the A380.



Sandyb123

Topic: RE: BA A380 Makes First Flight
Username: qf002
Posted 2012-11-13 09:07:36 and read 3540 times.

Quoting sandyb123 (Reply 22):
This is common across all A380 operators with either one or two WC ahead of the upper deck front doors. EK famously with showers.

QF doesn't. The space on the right is the lounge, the space on the left is a galley/crew area with a small self service bar near the top of the stairs.

Everyone else does though.


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