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Topic: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-12 09:43:06 and read 1920 times.

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

9K SJU-VQS DEC 8>9

AA DFW-ABI MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
AA DFW-ACT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-AMA MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
AA DFW-BRO MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
AA DFW-CLL MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-DRO MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-EVV MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-GDL MAR 4>5 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
AA DFW-HOU MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
AA DFW-JAN MAR 7>8
AA DFW-LBB MAR 8>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9
AA DFW-LFT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-MAF MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
AA DFW-MKE MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-RAP MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-SJT MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-SPS MAR 3>4
AA DFW-TLH MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2
AA DFW-TXK MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
AA DFW-TYR MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
AA DFW-VPS MAR 4>5 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
AA LAX-FAT APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
AA LGA-STL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3
AA ORD-PHL JAN 7>6
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2
AA ORD-STL JAN 8>7

AC ALB-YYZ DEC 1.5>1.3
AC BDL-YYZ DEC 4>3
AC PHX-YYZ DEC 2>1.9

AM BRO-MTY JAN 0.4>0.3 FEB 0.4>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.5>0.3 JUN 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
AM FAT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.4 JUL 0.1>0.4
AM ORD-DGO FEB 0.1>0
AM SMF-GDL JAN 1.0>0.5 FEB 0.9>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.4 APR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.4

*B6 SJU-PUJ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6
*B6 SJU-STI MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6

BA EWR-ORY DEC 1.7>1.5

BB STT-EIS FEB 0.4>0 MAR 0.9>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

BR LAX-TPE APR 1.3>3

CI HNL-TPE FEB 0>0.1

CM MCO-PTY FEB 3>4 MAR 3>4
CM MIA-PTY FEB 5>6

DL BOS-CMH JAN 0.8>1.5
DL CVG-LAS FEB 0.8>0.5
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7
DL DTW-NGO MAR 0.7>0.8
DL DTW-PEK DEC 1.0>0.8
DL JFK-DKR APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.5
DL MCO-CUN MAR 0.2>0.3
*DL PDX-NRT APR 1.0>0.7
*DL SFO-NRT APR 1.0>0.7

More DEN reductions...
F9 DEN-DRO MAR 1.0>0.7
F9 DEN-DTW MAR 1.8>0.8 APR 1.8>1.2
F9 DEN-PHF MAY 0.4>0.2
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

LW HGR-IAD DEC 2>4 JAN 2>4 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
LW IAD-LNS DEC 2>5 JAN 2>5 FEB 2>5 MAR 2>5 APR 2>5 MAY 2>5 JUN 2>5 JUL 2>5

NK DEN-FLL JAN 1.0>0.6
NK FLL-LBE JAN 1.0>0.7
NK LBE-MCO JAN 1.0>0.7
NK SAN-SJD JAN 1.0>0.7 FEB 1.0>0.9

NZ LAX-AKL JUL 1.7>3
NZ SFO-AKL JUL 0.7>1.0

The MZT stuff is on 737-400s. This is being sold using publiccharters.com. Don't know who the operator is.
P1 DEN-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 IAH-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 LAX-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 MBL-MDW DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.7>0
P1 OAK-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 SAT-MZT JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1

S3 MIA-CCS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

SY DFW-PVR JUN 0>0.3 JUL 0>0.3

UA CLE-CLT MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA CLE-FLL APR 1.5>3
UA CLE-PVD APR 3>1.6
UA CLE-RSW APR 1.4>3
UA CLE-TPA APR 1.5>3
Only 1 rt in May for some of the ski cities.
*UA DEN-EGE APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.0
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0
UA DEN-MEM APR 1.9>1.3
UA DEN-MFR APR 1.5>1.0
UA DEN-PHX APR 5>6
UA DEN-PSC APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-AUS MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-BNA MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA EWR-BTV MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA EWR-BUF MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
UA EWR-CHS APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
UA EWR-DEN APR 6>5
UA EWR-FLL APR 7>8
UA EWR-GRR MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.7>3 JUL 1.7>3
UA EWR-IND APR 6>7 MAY 5>7 JUN 5>7 JUL 5>7
UA EWR-LAS APR 5>6
UA EWR-MCO APR 9>10
UA EWR-MEM MAY 1.9>3 JUL 1.9>3
UA EWR-MHT APR 4>3
UA EWR-MSP APR 6>5
UA EWR-MSY APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
UA EWR-PBI APR 7>8
UA EWR-PVD APR 4>3
UA EWR-PWM MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
UA EWR-RSW APR 4>6
UA IAD-PVD APR 3>4 MAY 2>4 JUN 2>4 JUL 2>4
UA IAD-ROA APR 2>3
UA IAD-SAV APR 3>4
UA IAH-MCI APR 8>7
UA IAH-MEX FEB 9>8
UA IAH-RDU APR 5>4
UA LAX-ABQ APR 1.0>1.7
UA LAX-EWR APR 8>7
UA LAX-PSP APR 5>6
UA LAX-SAN APR 13>14
UA ORD-ALB APR 4>3
UA ORD-CHS APR 4>5
UA ORD-CID APR 6>5
UA ORD-SAN APR 5>3
UA ORD-SEA APR 6>4
UA SFO-ACV APR 8>6
UA SFO-CLE APR 1.7>1.0
UA SFO-COS MAR 1.0>0.7
UA SFO-DEN APR 9>10
UA SFO-LAS APR 10>9
UA SFO-MFR APR 7>6
UA SFO-ORD APR 14>13
UA SFO-SEA APR 9>7
UA SFO-SNA APR 7>8
UA SFO-TUS APR 1.3>2

Not surprising. I assume this is the last flight?
*US BOS-LGA JAN 12>11 FEB 14>13
US BOS-SYR MAR 3>1.6 APR 3>1.8 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.6 JUL 3>1.8
US CLT-ATL APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUL 8>9
US CLT-CAK MAR 5>6 APR 5>6 MAY 5>6 JUN 5>6 JUL 5>6
US CLT-CLE APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US CLT-GPT MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US CLT-HHH MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US CLT-IAD APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-IAH APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-JAX APR 7>8
US CLT-LGA MAR 14>13 APR 14>13 MAY 14>13 JUN 14>13 JUL 14>13
US CLT-MSP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US CLT-MSY APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US CLT-MYR MAR 8>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9 JUN 7>9 JUL 7>9
US CLT-ROA MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUN 8>9 JUL 8>9
US CLT-SDF MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
US CLT-SRQ MAY 4>3 JUN 4>2 JUL 4>2
US CLT-YUL MAR 2.0>1.8 APR 2>1.9 MAY 2>1.9 JUN 2>1.8 JUL 2>1.9
US DCA-BNA MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US DCA-CHS APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUL 4>5
US DCA-CLT MAR 12>11 APR 12>11 MAY 12>11 JUN 12>11 JUL 12>11
US DCA-DTW MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US DCA-GSO MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US DCA-GSP MAR 3>1.7 APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.7 JUN 3>1.7 JUL 3>1.7
*US DCA-ILM MAR 0.4>1.2 APR 0.3>1.1 MAY 0.3>1.1 JUN 0.3>1.2 JUL 0.3>1.1
US DCA-MCO MAR 8>7 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
US DCA-MYR MAR 0.5>0.3 APR 0.4>0.3 MAY 0.4>0.3 JUN 0.5>0.3 JUL 0.4>0.3
US DCA-ORF MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5
US DCA-PBI APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US DCA-PIT APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUL 6>5
US DCA-PWM MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US DCA-RDU MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US DCA-RSW MAR 4>3
US DCA-SAV MAR 1.4>3 APR 1.3>3 MAY 1.3>3 JUN 1.3>3 JUL 1.3>3
US DCA-YOW MAR 2.0>1.7 APR 2>1.7 MAY 2>1.7 JUN 2>1.7 JUL 2>1.7
US PHL-BDL APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-BUF APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-CLT MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10 JUL 11>10
US PHL-ELM MAR 5>4 APR 5>4 MAY 5>4 JUN 5>4 JUL 5>4
US PHL-ERI MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUL 3>4
US PHL-EWR MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-GSO MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5 JUN 6>5 JUL 6>5
US PHL-ITH APR 4>5 MAY 4>6 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US PHL-LAX MAR 7>6
This market really needed a 13th trip. :p
*US PHL-LGA MAR 12>13 APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13
US PHL-MDT MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-MKE MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5
US PHL-MSY APR 2>3 MAY 2>3 JUN 2>3 JUL 2>3
US PHL-MYR MAR 0.3>0.2 APR 0.3>0.1 MAY 0.3>0.1 JUN 0.3>0.2 JUL 0.3>0.1
US PHL-ORF MAR 7>8 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8 JUL 7>8
US PHL-PIT MAR 8>9 APR 8>9 MAY 8>9 JUL 8>9
US PHL-PVD MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUL 8>7
US PHL-RDU MAR 9>7 APR 9>7 MAY 9>7 JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
US PHL-ROA MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
US PHL-ROC MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
US PHL-YOW MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
US PHX-FLG MAR 8>5 APR 7>5 MAY 8>5 JUN 8>6 JUL 8>6
US PHX-LAX MAR 9>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7 JUN 9>7 JUL 9>7
US PHX-MCO MAR 3>4
US PHX-OMA MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2 JUN 3>2 JUL 3>2
US PHX-TUS MAR 11>10 APR 11>10 MAY 11>10 JUN 11>10 JUL 11>10

VB SAT-MTY FEB 0.4>0.3

WS ORD-YVR MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0
WS ORD-YYC MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0 JUL 0>1.0

YV HNL-ITO DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
YV HNL-KOA DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
YV HNL-LIH DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
YV ITO-HNL DEC 4>3 JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3 APR 4>3 MAY 4>3 JUN 4>3 JUL 4>3
YV KOA-HNL DEC 6>7 JAN 6>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 6>7 APR 6>7 MAY 6>7 JUN 6>7 JUL 6>7
YV LIH-HNL DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6 MAR 7>6 APR 7>6 MAY 7>6 JUN 7>6 JUL 7>6
YV

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-12 09:43:42 and read 1938 times.

YV LIH-OGG DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0
YV OGG-LIH DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0 JUN 1.0>0 JUL 1.0>0

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-12 09:51:18 and read 1930 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
The MZT stuff is on 737-400s. This is being sold using publiccharters.com. Don't know who the operator is.
P1 DEN-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 IAH-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 LAX-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 MBL-MDW DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 0.7>0
P1 OAK-MZT JAN 0>0.2 FEB 0>0.3 MAR 0>0.3
P1 SAT-MZT JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.1
Cal Jet Air (Minneapolis and San Diego) is a new public charter company like the previous Direct Air (Myrtle Beach). The company is planning to operate charter flights to Mazatlan, Mexico from Houston, San Antonio, Denver, Los Angeles and Oakland.

Cal Jet Air’s flight will be operated by Xtra Airways (Boise), which is a U.S. Air Carrier, who provides public charter air flights. Xtra Airways use to operate for Direct Air. Cal Jet Air offers all-inclusive vacations, golf and entertainment packages.

According to the company, Cal Jet Air is privately owned and managed by a core management team consisting of five experienced men and women. Together they have more than 100 combined years of extensive experience in tour operations and packaging; aviation charters and services; finance; marketing; technology; and, general management in the tour operator aviation industry. The management team has extensive knowledge in both domestic and international operations.


http://worldairlinenews.com/2012/11/...io-denver-los-angeles-and-oakland/

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-12 09:51:55 and read 1926 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-11-12 09:52:38 and read 1926 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4

Since base realignment, business has been booming in El Paso. And both ELP-DEN and ELP-IAH are getting lots are CR7s mixed in with the E145s

With frequency over size, the days of only one 735 a day connecting at IAH are gone.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: flyguy89
Posted 2012-11-12 10:06:29 and read 1929 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7

Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic  duck 

[Edited 2012-11-12 10:14:15]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-11-12 10:07:12 and read 1926 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
NK LBE-MCO JAN 1.0>0.7

I wonder where that aircraft goes the two days It's not flying that route.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-12 10:08:36 and read 1927 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LGA-STL JAN 4>3 FEB 4>3 MAR 4>3

Hmmm... giving more way to WN.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

I wonder if they will leave eventually.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-12 10:16:21 and read 1928 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.

Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7

Bizarre, what's the point?

I assume one is doing better than the other.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 7):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
F9 MKE-DEN MAR 3>2.0

I wonder if they will leave eventually.

I predicted that a while back.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-12 10:23:00 and read 1930 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA ORD-SJC JAN 2>1.2

UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-12 10:24:52 and read 1929 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 8):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.
Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)

Do you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kcrwflyer
Posted 2012-11-12 10:34:22 and read 1927 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.

AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: clrd4t8koff
Posted 2012-11-12 10:36:52 and read 1927 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-TLH MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2 JUN 1.0>2 JUL 1.0>2

Interesting timing - I just had a thread going on this and was curious if they were going to be upping the frequency. Now I have my answer. Was pretty sure this route was a contender for increased frequency.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-12 10:46:31 and read 1929 times.

Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.

AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation

AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

Are you seeing a pattern here? Just because AA drops or cut backs a route doesn't mean a better run airline like AS can't make it work.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-12 10:49:13 and read 1926 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
o you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!
http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Boutique_Air_4B_1016

Boutique Air. Looks like a Cessna 402 possibly.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-12 10:54:29 and read 1927 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

IIRC, some to many of the flights you mentioned were dropped by AA when they dropped their NRT services to SEA & SJC

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-12 11:00:42 and read 1927 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 14):
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):o you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!http://info.flightmapper.net/flight/Boutique_Air_4B_1016

Boutique Air. Looks like a Cessna 402 possibly.

Thanks, guess I missed this thread Boutique Air – New California Commuter (by LAXintl Jul 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-11-12 11:08:43 and read 1926 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 9):
UA already dropped ORD-SJC and now AA is cutting back to the bone. I think it's time for AS to open up this route, along with SJC-BOS and a few other strategic SJC routes.
Quoting kcrwflyer (Reply 11):
AS should hop on a route with no connections that two other airlines can't make work to their hub? Common sense says that doesn't work out but I'm open to explanation.

   There might just be a reason (like decreasing traffic?) that AA is reducing capacity... (They are only offering 5 daily trips to DFW on the current schedule so things overall don't look real healthy there.)

It's possible that AS could make it work but, as kcrw' said, it would be based only on O&D traffic (at the ORD-end anyway) and I'd bet they would look at it VERY closely before jumping in. I don't know what the DOT O&D figures are for the market but that might be a good place to get an idea of the chances of it happening.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS

Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: FATFlyer
Posted 2012-11-12 11:09:08 and read 1928 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA LAX-FAT APR 4>5 MAY 3>5 JUN 3>5 JUL 3>5

Still leaves the earliest FAT-LAX departure as 8am, so no early connections outbound. Also leaves the latest LAX-FAT as 8pm. Makes it harder to get some of the preferred connections at LAX.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AM FAT-GDL JAN 1.0>0.4 FEB 0.9>0.3 MAR 0.5>0.4 JUL 0.1>0.4

First of the summer schedule changes. Probably more to come based on AMs past schedules.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 10):
Quoting enilria (Reply 8):Quoting RWA380 (Reply 3):Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
4B EUG-RDD DEC 0.3>0.2

Anybody have information on this operation? Aircraft type, other cities served, carrier name, how long this has been around? Info is appreciated.
Type = "CNA" Cessna (Various)
Do you know the carriers name? It's not someone that I'm familiar with....Thanks!

Looks like it is Boutique Air. They've been showing lately in RDD's info at FlightStats as operating to EUG using a CNA.

Here is the release from ARC saying they would show as code 4B.
http://www.arccorp.com/news/an20120227.jsp

The old thread about the company is here:
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5506374/

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PHX787
Posted 2012-11-12 11:15:53 and read 1926 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL PDX-NRT APR 1.0>0.7
*DL SFO-NRT APR 1.0>0.7

Hm Why is this surprising? I think DL is trying to organize their NRT routes to other places, or the KE J.v. is starting to come online.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
This market really needed a 13th trip. :p
*US PHL-LGA MAR 12>13 APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13

Oversaturation at it's finest. What's the largest a/c to fly this route?

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic   

Maybe just money changing hands, or something going on w/ o&d values. Nice to see service being ADDED for once though   

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-11-12 12:08:25 and read 1927 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0

What is interesting about this? Airlines always cut service back at Hayden (Steamboat Springs, the Yampa Valley Airport) after the ski season.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: redzeppelin
Posted 2012-11-12 12:26:43 and read 1924 times.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7
Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic

I would guess that the added flight at MSN is part of DL's continued effort to win market share in Wisconsin as F9 (and FL) fades out in MKE.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-12 12:50:08 and read 1922 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS

Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

Not quite. AA discontinued SEA-MIA the same day as SEA-NRT in about January 2002 because that was a through flight with change of guage in SEA. BOS, STL and AUS (which was shortlived) were all discontinued from SEA much more recently.

AA discontinued SJC-NRT in about October 2006. AUS, BOS and LAS were at various times through-routed with NRT-SJC with a change of guage at SJC. There we discontinued at different times than NRT, from SJC though.

I'll bet SJC-NRT does well. It used to do very well until AA gave up on SJC. I flew it several times and it was always very full, and premium class was full too. (Yeah, I know it is oft stated that full flights aren't necessarily profitable, but the route always did seem very popular and had no trouble filling a 777).

NH wouldn't have been my first guess as to who SJC would talk into resuming NRT - I might have guessed DL or JL first - but I'm delighted. I personally think NH is a far better carrier in a lot of ways than certain other carriers based in similar locations (without mentioning names ) - they are certainly great to work with.  

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-11-12 13:07:41 and read 1925 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Not quite.

Huh? What do you mean "not quite"? You said:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 13):
AA dropped ORD-PDX and it works just fine for AS. AA dropped SJC-HNL and OGG and both routes work fine for AS and HA. AA dropped SJC-NRT and NH is resuming it up. AA dropped SEA-STL and the short lived AUS and they work well for AS. AA dropped SEA-BOS and it works well for AS.

And I responded:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 17):
Most of these routes you mention involve SEA and PDX which are AS hubs and can provide traffic beyond just O&D. Totally different than SJC. And I think we need to wait a while and see how the Tokyo flight does from SJC.

And you start talking about AA's abandonded SJC hub...?

And btw, I looked up the DOT figures for O&D traffic SJC-ORD for 1Q2012 and the PDEW was 73. (And SJC-BOS was 75!) How close do you think AS is to starting either of those routes?

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-12 13:26:49 and read 1923 times.

Quoting SANFan (Reply 23):
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 22):
Not quite.

Huh? What do you mean "not quite"? You said:

I meant not quite in regards to Hughes Airwest A380's comment. I might have quoted the wrong thing that I was responding to.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 15):
IIRC, some to many of the flights you mentioned were dropped by AA when they dropped their NRT services to SEA & SJC

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SANFan
Posted 2012-11-12 14:57:09 and read 2032 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 24):
I meant not quite in regards to Hughes Airwest A380's comment.

Ahhhh, now that makes a lot more sense.  

bb

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: CIDFlyer
Posted 2012-11-12 16:51:10 and read 2051 times.

Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):DL CVG-MDT JAN 1.6>0.8 FEB 1.6>0.8 MAR 1.6>0.8 APR 1.7>0.9 MAY 1.7>0.8
DL CVG-MSN MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.7 MAY 0.8>1.7 JUN 0.8>1.7 JUL 0.8>1.7
Quoting flyguy89 (Reply 5):

Bizarre, what's the point? Just seems like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic [Edited 2012-11-12 10:14:15]

I was thinking the same...interesting none the less....does MSN send a lot of traffic through CVG? or is there some sort of business connection there?

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: crj900lr
Posted 2012-11-12 17:54:50 and read 2103 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Oversaturation at it's finest. What's the largest a/c to fly this route?

US 3218 is an E-175 13:55 Dept

US 3338 is an E-170 16:00 Dept

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: crAAzy
Posted 2012-11-12 18:04:05 and read 2105 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA DFW-MKE MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5 JUN 4>5 JUL 4>5

A capacity increase for AA on the DFW-MKE route as we keep our early morning and early evening MD80 flights along with the 2 ER4 flights and now an added CRJ (200 series?) in mid afternoon.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: PSU.DTW.SCE
Posted 2012-11-12 18:42:24 and read 2091 times.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):*DL PDX-NRT APR 1.0>0.7
*DL SFO-NRT APR 1.0>0.7

Hm Why is this surprising? I think DL is trying to organize their NRT routes to other places, or the KE J.v. is starting to come online.

This has nothing to do with any of that, as it is simply an extension of the seasonal schedule where PDX & SFO service to NRT is flown at 5x per week instead of daily.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-13 06:04:18 and read 2029 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 16):
Thanks, guess I missed this thread Boutique Air – New California Commuter (by LAXintl Jul 6 2012 in Civil Aviation)
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
This market really needed a 13th trip. :p
*US PHL-LGA MAR 12>13 APR 12>13 MAY 12>13 JUN 12>13 JUL 12>13

Oversaturation at it's finest. What's the largest a/c to fly this route?

Somebody else answered, but even with a tinier portfolio of slots, they still have enough for this garbage.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 20):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0

What is interesting about this? Airlines always cut service back at Hayden (Steamboat Springs, the Yampa Valley Airport) after the ski season.

1RT seemed light to me. In April 2012 there was 1 F9 and 1 UA. in April and May 2011 there were two UAs.

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 19):
Hm Why is this surprising? I think DL is trying to organize their NRT routes to other places, or the KE J.v. is starting to come online.
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 29):
This has nothing to do with any of that, as it is simply an extension of the seasonal schedule where PDX & SFO service to NRT is flown at 5x per week instead of daily.

5/week in April seems pretty light to me. It's not Winter any more. Loooking back, it seems like they have shortened the peak schedule by about a week per year every year for the last 2 or 3. I guess that's not really that surprising, but it is surely indication that those routes are poor. PDX should have AS to feed it.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: fun2fly
Posted 2012-11-13 06:24:20 and read 2022 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Somebody else answered, but even with a tinier portfolio of slots, they still have enough for this garbage.

That's an interesting point...why not 9x on larger a/c and 2x to two new destinations? I know NYC is a frequency market, but 9 or 13 who cares.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: NWAESC
Posted 2012-11-13 06:49:38 and read 2022 times.

Quoting CIDFlyer (Reply 26):
I was thinking the same...interesting none the less....does MSN send a lot of traffic through CVG? or is there some sort of business connection there?

...All the more interesting considering it goes from 1 CRJ-200/day to 1 CRJ-700 & 1 CRJ-200...

The current LF's are healthy on CVG, but of course I don't don't how (or if) that translates yield-wise..

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-13 09:03:30 and read 2024 times.

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 31):
Quoting enilria (Reply 30):
Somebody else answered, but even with a tinier portfolio of slots, they still have enough for this garbage.

That's an interesting point...why not 9x on larger a/c and 2x to two new destinations? I know NYC is a frequency market, but 9 or 13 who cares.

Parker hates NYC based on its years of losses. They are just hiding slots like they always have. You are seeing them trim frequency on the LGA-BOS leg of the Shuttle too.

I suspect US sells all the extra NYC stuff to B6 even if they merge with AA.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-13 09:47:23 and read 2002 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
I suspect US sells all the extra NYC stuff to B6 even if they merge with AA.

WN has been expanding in NYC recently. I wouldn't be surprised to see US give WN slots.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: MasseyBrown
Posted 2012-11-13 10:19:32 and read 2010 times.

The cuts to PVD by UA (CLE and EWR) and US (PHL) point out the continuing decline of pax counts at Boston's satellite airports. Since 2005, pax numbers at MHT have declined from 4.3 million annually to 2.5 million for the year ending July 31, 2012 and at PVD from 5.6 million to 3.7 million over the same period. BOS itself has gained only 1 million in the same time frame and I would have expected more, with the growth of low-cost carriers in BOS.

It's hard to tell if the net decrease of almost 3 million pax (10%) in the Boston region reflects general or regional conditions. In the same period, nearby (relatively) PHL lost 500K, LGA lost 1 million, EWR lost 800K, and JFK gained 3 million. All numbers are for domestic traffic

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: AAtakeMeAway
Posted 2012-11-13 10:45:26 and read 1999 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 4):
Since base realignment, business has been booming in El Paso. And both ELP-DEN and ELP-IAH are getting lots are CR7s mixed in with the E145s

With frequency over size, the days of only one 735 a day connecting at IAH are gone.

What's UA's mix of aircraft and routes at ELP nowadays? Any mainline to IAH?
I grew up in ELP and try to keep up with their changes...

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-11-13 11:06:36 and read 2005 times.

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 36):
What's UA's mix of aircraft and routes at ELP nowadays? Any mainline to IAH?
I grew up in ELP and try to keep up with their changes...

Out of ELP -- to the east and north -- AA Delta, and WN are the only mainline carriers. UA, on the other hand, flies CR7s to ORD and a mix of CR2s, CR7s, and E145s to DEN and IAH.

Going west, WN is the only mainline carrier (ABQ, LAS, LAX, PHX, and SAN) while AA and US fly RJs to PHX and LAX.

Of course, both UTEP and Fort Bliss bring in the occasional UA charter.




[Edited 2012-11-13 11:09:04]

[Edited 2012-11-13 11:26:19]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: AAtakeMeAway
Posted 2012-11-13 11:21:25 and read 1998 times.

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 37):
Out of ELP -- to the east and north -- AA and WN are the only mainline carriers. UA, on the other hand, flies CR7s to ORD and a mix of CR2, CR7s, and E145s to DEN and IAH.

Going west, WN is the only mainline carrier (ABQ, LAS, LAX, PHX, and SAN) while AA and US fly RJs to PHX and LAX.

Of course, both UTEP and Fort Bliss bring in the occasional UA charter.

Whoa! Awesome pic! Bummer there's no more mainline to IAH on UA ... that was the remaining mainline (besides WN and AA) since HP pulled mainline out of the PHX route years ago.

Back to that pic though - I'm assuming that's the gate near the rental cars (used to be gate 15, now A-something)? If so, that's where AA used to RON the DC-10 to DFW way back in the day!

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: kgaiflyer
Posted 2012-11-13 18:00:25 and read 1974 times.

Quoting AAtakeMeAway (Reply 38):
I'm assuming that's the gate near the rental cars (used to be gate 15, now A-something)? If so, that's where AA used to RON the DC-10 to DFW way back in the day!


As far as I know, the ELP A gates have all been renumbered. A-1 and A-2 are AA gates. But A-3 and A-4 (the one in the picture) are now common use gates.

And you're right. It's a cell-phone picture taken from the rental car lot the afternoon of the Oklahoma-UTEP game.

[Edited 2012-11-13 19:01:16]

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: SurfandSnow
Posted 2012-11-13 18:14:34 and read 1980 times.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 SJU-PUJ MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6
*B6 SJU-STI MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>0.6

And so the B6 SJU hub expansion continues, with even more intra-Caribbean service. I wonder if there are other viable Caribbean markets from SJU - BGI and AUA spring to mind. I also wonder what else they could possibly do to the mainland. Start some competitive stuff like ORD-SJU and BWI-SJU? Pioneer stuff like RDU-SJU and PVD-SJU, as we saw with their JAX-SJU and PBI-SJU services? I guess only time will tell...

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA CLE-TPA APR 1.5>3
Only 1 rt in May for some of the ski cities.
*UA DEN-EGE APR 3>1.7 MAY 3>1.0
UA DEN-ELP APR 3>4 MAY 3>4 JUN 3>4 JUL 3>4
*UA DEN-HDN APR 3>1.5 MAY 2>1.0

Not surprising in the least. May is the absolute worst time of year to visit the ski towns - it's too warm to ski, too cold to do summer activities, lots and lots of muddy snowmelt.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
Not surprising. I assume this is the last flight?
*US BOS-LGA JAN 12>11 FEB 14>13

I suspect they might be trying to do a little bidding war between WN and B6 for the LGA slots. B6 would essentially pick up the LGA-BOS "shuttle" operation, WN would divvy up the slots to a bevy of heartland markets (HOU, MCI, IND, RDU, etc.) and maybe even start doing some nonstop LGA-Florida routes.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-13 18:21:38 and read 1978 times.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 40):
BWI-SJU

B6 barely serves BWI. They are almost nothing to BWI. Most that travel on B6 to BWI are probably from Boston. I would be surprised to see this.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: enilria
Posted 2012-11-14 10:58:14 and read 1949 times.

Quoting airliner371 (Reply 34):
Quoting enilria (Reply 33):
I suspect US sells all the extra NYC stuff to B6 even if they merge with AA.
WN has been expanding in NYC recently. I wouldn't be surprised to see US give WN slots.
Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 40):
I suspect they might be trying to do a little bidding war between WN and B6 for the LGA slots.

If AA/US merge I think WN will be shut-out and the only player will be B6 because it's the way OW gets B6 into the alliance. Absent that deal, US could sell to the highest bidder, but there are political ramifications to not selling the Shuttle as a unit and the Shuttle slots are a special class of slots. There has always been debate whether they can be used for other things. Effectively, US is probably moving that Shuttle slot to LGA-PHL, but I doubt any regulators have really noticed yet. If it were in the news B6 would move the media to an uproar about the loss of competition on LGA-BOS. Keep in mind that Acela is weakest as a competitor on LGA-BOS.

Topic: RE: OAG Changes 11/16/2012: AA/B6/DL/F9/UA/US
Username: airliner371
Posted 2012-11-14 11:40:29 and read 1941 times.

Quoting enilria (Reply 42):
the only player will be B6 because it's the way OW gets B6 into the alliance.

OW won't waste their time trying to persuade B6 to join because they know that they won't. Its not in the best interest for B6 and B6 knows it.


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