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Topic: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: mffoda
Posted 2012-11-15 11:57:24 and read 5219 times.

Good news... Airbus has found a home for 2 of those A345's that they had lying around.

 "PARIS--U.K.-based aviation services group AJW Capital Partners Ltd has signed a firm contract to buy two Airbus A340-500s aircraft, the aircraft maker said Thursday.

Airbus, a unit of European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co NV (EAD.FR, EADSY), said AJW Capital is its newest aircraft customer.

The two planes sold to AJW Capital were remaining stock after Airbus stopped making its A340 aircraft last year."


http://www.4-traders.com/EADS-4637/n...-Buys-2-Airbus-A340-500s-15513406/

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: jetblueguy22
Posted 2012-11-15 12:01:41 and read 5236 times.

Boy I hope they have someone to lease them. I can't imagine many airlines are searching for A340s at the moment. Though I have to imagine they got a bargain on them.
Blue

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-11-15 12:09:26 and read 5239 times.

Would they have ordered them without having a client? I doubt it...

The question that arises next is: whom?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: JU068
Posted 2012-11-15 12:12:51 and read 5253 times.

Could it be an Iranian airline?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: affirmative
Posted 2012-11-15 12:13:30 and read 5252 times.

This must be for a private client. I can't see an airline that would buy an A345 today no matter how gorgeous it is..

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: kaitak
Posted 2012-11-15 12:15:11 and read 5250 times.

Could be a "middle man" for a very wealthy M/E client or a government? They're the only parties I can think of that might want A340-500s ... well, apart from Iranian airlines!

I guess the other question is, who were they originally built for? Possibly the Kingfisher aircraft, which never found a home?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-11-15 12:32:38 and read 5256 times.

I think it's only the two Kingfisher 345's that were still sitting around in TLS, so it must be them. Have they even flown yet ?
Interesting to see where these birds will end up.   

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-11-15 12:33:59 and read 5253 times.

Quoting Focker (Reply 2):
The question that arises next is: whom?

Airbus press release says an "existing AJW Group customer".....

http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...il/ajw-capital-buys-two-a340-500s/

.....who will begin commercial service with the planes in early 2013.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: KarelXWB
Posted 2012-11-15 12:34:34 and read 5247 times.

Does anybody known the MSN numbers of those 2 frames?

The last 2 A340-500 aircraft were sold to the State of Kuwait.
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...=A340-500&fleet=1336&fleetStatus=2

MSN886 and MSN894 maybe?
http://www.planespotters.net/Product...=A340-500&fleet=1336&fleetStatus=6

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Stitch
Posted 2012-11-15 12:41:05 and read 5251 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
Airbus press release says an "existing AJW Group customer".....who will begin commercial service with the planes in early 2013.

AJW appears to be an aircraft services group and MRO. I don't see where they have any aircraft leasing operations. I wonder if they bought these planes to be used for spares for an existing operator?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: someone83
Posted 2012-11-15 12:56:48 and read 5247 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
I wonder if they bought these planes to be used for spares for an existing operator?

I suspect it might be?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: 9252fly
Posted 2012-11-15 13:08:20 and read 5249 times.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 9):
I wonder if they bought these planes to be used for spares for an existing operator?

Or would it be better to swap the new aircraft with the older one's and use them for spares? I was thinking in terms of D checks and other maintenance intervals.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: TeamDA
Posted 2012-11-15 13:48:00 and read 5248 times.

There was a tweet on the 14th from CH-Aviation linking to an article saying that AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines were going to be getting msn 886 and 894

http://bit.ly/ZuVBES

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-11-15 14:51:17 and read 5248 times.

Quoting TeamDA (Reply 12):
There was a tweet on the 14th from CH-Aviation linking to an article saying that AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines were going to be getting msn 886 and 894

Then the question is are these actually going to be used for commercial service or will these be part of the VIP fleet for the Azerbaijan government?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Carls
Posted 2012-11-15 15:13:37 and read 5246 times.

I think these two A345 are for Conviasa. I was in Venezuela three month ago and Chavez was on TV stating that they were going to buy some Airbus, he mentioned the A340-500 and also the president of the airline mentioned few A330.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: declarets
Posted 2012-11-15 15:17:16 and read 5247 times.

Looking at the Buyer these will more than likely be scrapped and used for parts.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Polot
Posted 2012-11-15 15:43:40 and read 5246 times.

Quoting Carls (Reply 14):
I think these two A345 are for Conviasa. I was in Venezuela three month ago and Chavez was on TV stating that they were going to buy some Airbus, he mentioned the A340-500 and also the president of the airline mentioned few A330.

I believe they were looking at buying Ethiad's (The A340-500s that is), but the deal might have since fallen through (that happens a lot with the A345...).

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: r2rho
Posted 2012-11-16 01:05:16 and read 5245 times.

Interesting. I hope they find a nice "home" for them. A345's can still be useful as VIP aircraft or for very niche airlines.
I assume these are the two remaining ex-IT frames, and nothing to do with the ones SQ will be returning?
In that case, they should be MSN886 & MSN902.

IIRC, 5 IT frames were built, 2 went to Arik, 1 to Tunisia (or was it Algeria?), and these would be the remaining two.

Any additions or corrections are welcome, the history of the last handful of A345's built is extremely confusing  boggled 

[Edited 2012-11-16 01:22:08]

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-11-16 01:25:19 and read 5245 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 7):
Airbus press release says an "existing AJW Group customer".....

I think the group customers are

Hawaiian, Ryanair, British Airways, flybe, vueling, Wizz, Azul, Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Silkair, China Eastern, Asiana Airlines, Jetstar, Eva, Qantas

With only one A340 on their books, an A340-300.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: qf340500
Posted 2012-11-16 01:27:42 and read 5247 times.

let the client be QF, than my username comes true, wouldnt that be amazing!!!!! (one can still dream... ... ... )

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: zeke
Posted 2012-11-16 01:36:49 and read 5247 times.

Quoting r2rho (Reply 17):
Interesting. I hope they find a nice "home" for them.

I would not be surprised to see more and more A340s going to African operators, SonAir in Angola I seem to recall had 2 A340-500s on order at some stage. The A340-500 would be a useful aircraft for them to open up services to China where a lot of the oil industry financing is coming from in the region.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Cricket
Posted 2012-11-16 02:48:10 and read 5243 times.

These were the old Kingfisher birds, such a pity we never got to see them in India

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Focker
Posted 2012-11-16 02:52:06 and read 5243 times.

Is Arik Air a viable option? Or are they near to death?

[Edited 2012-11-16 02:52:40]

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: CARST
Posted 2012-11-16 05:29:49 and read 5243 times.

Wouldn't SA be interested, the aircraft would fit in well with their other A340s and they have some rather long routes with without ETOPS alternative airports to South America and Australia. I think the A345 can fly these routes at MTOW, thus turning the same profit as a comparable two-engined aircraft which might be more profitable overall, but takes a payload-hit on these long sectors. The A345 remains a niche aircraft, but there is a market for very few airlines which already operate other types of the A340 family.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: lightsaber
Posted 2012-11-16 06:18:21 and read 5244 times.

Quoting 9252fly (Reply 11):
Or would it be better to swap the new aircraft with the older one's and use them for spares? I was thinking in terms of D checks and other maintenance intervals.

You have a point there. However, the fuel costs of the A345 are so high that I cannot imagine any credit worthy business putting them into high utilization.

I wonder how much above their value as parts they sold for...

Quoting Cricket (Reply 21):
These were the old Kingfisher birds, such a pity we never got to see them in India

A pity they didn't make it. But better that and have the employees (hopefully) paid.

Lightsaber

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: Devilfish
Posted 2012-11-16 06:45:06 and read 5878 times.

Quoting zeke (Reply 18):
Hawaiian, Ryanair, British Airways, flybe, vueling, Wizz, Azul, Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Silkair, China Eastern, Asiana Airlines, Jetstar, Eva, Qantas

I'd bet on Hawaiian. Considering they're doing well in MNL and that 5J has just been approved to fly to GUM, HNL, SFO and LAX on wet-leases. Airbus probably gave AJW and in turn them a very good deal (given their new A330s) which could offset the less than stellar economics, and allow them to fly MNL-US West Coast nonstop year-round and compete profitably.

The others don't need the range, have the range but not the market, or otherwise already have the service to their home markets.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: 123
Posted 2012-11-16 06:45:28 and read 5809 times.

I know the Bolivian airline "BOA" will use an A340 for their soon-to-be-started VVI-MAD-VVI flights.

What I donĀ“t know is the 340-series they will use nor where the aircraft will come from...

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: ka
Posted 2012-11-16 07:34:14 and read 5978 times.

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/airline.php?cha=J2

see news 11/14/12.

Ka.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: dennys
Posted 2012-11-16 09:32:16 and read 5786 times.

Concerning EY : i would be surprised they got rid of their A345s , as EY is planning a daily service AUH WAS by March 2013 .

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: United_fan
Posted 2012-11-16 12:02:53 and read 5566 times.

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 25):
Quoting zeke (Reply 18):
Hawaiian, Ryanair, British Airways, flybe, vueling, Wizz, Azul, Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Silkair, China Eastern, Asiana Airlines, Jetstar, Eva, Qantas

I'd bet on Hawaiian

I would be shocked if it was HA.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: LAXintl
Posted 2012-11-16 12:14:18 and read 5604 times.

Quoting ka (Reply 27):
see news 11/14/12.

AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines.

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: flyingalex
Posted 2012-11-16 12:43:09 and read 5552 times.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 30):
AZAL Azerbaijan Airlines.

The big question is, where will they fly them?

Topic: RE: Airbus A340-500 Sale!
Username: TC957
Posted 2012-11-16 12:55:59 and read 5599 times.

Intriguing to know where J2 will operate the A345's to. Perhaps they have new non-stops to the US on their mind, like IAH for the oil & gas business. I think the 345 in J2's blue & white colours will look quite pretty birds.


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