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Topic: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: timz
Posted 2012-11-06 18:40:40 and read 2840 times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Air_Lines_destinations

We can all think of eight hundred more cities that Eastern flew to at some point, but I'm not going to try to expand the list-- I just want to delete the cities Eastern never flew to.

I was surprised to see all the Mexican cities were legit, except Los Cabos. Did they ever fly there?

Probably safe to delete Havana? How about Medellin?

They never flew to Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton or Hamilton?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: EASTERN747
Posted 2012-11-06 19:43:26 and read 2848 times.

Actually, we did fly to Havana several times, although not scheduled flights....LOLOLOLO

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: cf6ppe
Posted 2012-11-06 21:36:42 and read 2847 times.

I think that

OKC Oklahoma City,
ONT Ontario,CA,
ICT Wichita
DCA Washington National
IAD Washington Dulles
MEM Memphis

are missing from the list.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: jfk777
Posted 2012-11-07 04:36:36 and read 2848 times.

Eastern's first venture into Latin America before the Braniff purchase was the coastal Colombian port city of Barranquilla. This was a route abandoned by Pan AM. EA started in 1980 or 81 and flew there util they handed AA their whole Latin system.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: GSPSPOT
Posted 2012-11-07 04:51:01 and read 2844 times.

Birmingham - BHM is missing as well. I lived there when EA ceased operations.

Found an image of what is supposed to be EA's final route map - Looks like Charleston, SC - CHS, Columbia, SC - CAE and Greenville/Spartanburg - GSP are also missing. Cities that EA *never* flew to would be much more difficult to determine for me! lol http://www.flickr.com/photos/denon/3393647733/lightbox/







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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: BostonBeau
Posted 2012-11-07 05:53:02 and read 2844 times.

Eastern probably did fly to Havana....before Castro. Several US airlines did. I don't think the Wikipedia list means to imply that the cities in the list were all flown at the time of the shut-down...just that at some time in the past, Eastern served these cities.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-07 07:44:26 and read 2846 times.

Quoting cf6ppe (Reply 2):
I think that

OKC Oklahoma City,
ONT Ontario,CA,
ICT Wichita
DCA Washington National
IAD Washington Dulles
MEM Memphis

EA did serve ONT for a brief time in the 1970s IIRC, but to me that list was the final destinations they were serving at shutdown, not every discontinued destination ever. EA served OMA in the 70s too as part of a SEA-OMA-ATL routing.

Not sure if EA ever served SJC. National did from IAH, but I don't recall EA ever being there.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2012-11-07 09:03:09 and read 2847 times.

These should help. Eastern Route maps:
1972- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/972map.jpg
1981- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/581map.jpg
1982- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/582map.jpg
1983- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/783map.jpg
1984- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap6-2-84.jpg (ONT shown)
1986- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap1-1-86.jpg
1987- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap3-2-87.jpg

Quoting cf6ppe (Reply 2):

MEM Memphis

They did serve MEM but only for short periods... it got added and cut about 6 times.

Quoting timz (Thread starter):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern...tions

Are you including Eastern Express?

On that list they did not serve:
In Canada:
I don't think that Eastern ever served Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver.
(However express DID serve Halifax NS, Saint John NB, Moncton NB and Quebec City, though the last 2 were summer only service.)

Mexico:
Never served Los Cabos with their own metal, but might of through planed with Braniff as some point to reach it, it is a bit far out of the way for South America service though.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-07 09:12:19 and read 2844 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
EA served OMA in the 70s too as part of a SEA-OMA-ATL routing.
PDX as well - http://www.departedflights.com/EA090672.html

They also had a routing via SLC from SEA - http://www.departedflights.com/EA050181.html

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
Not sure if EA ever served SJC. National did from IAH, but I don't recall EA ever being there.

I could have sworn they did SJC, on a 757 sometime near the end, from ATL.

http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap1-1-86.jpg

Missing off the list - RNO, SAT, AUS, TUS, EVV, GNV, EYW, LGW, MLB, FPO, Wilkes Barre Scranton, to name a few.

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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-11-07 09:13:20 and read 2843 times.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
Mexico:
Never served Los Cabos with their own metal, but might of through planed with Braniff as some point to reach it, it is a bit far out of the way for South America service though.

Braniff never served Los Cabos, either.

Braniff and American both served MEX and ACA. In the late 1970s, the CAB gave AA rights to western Mexico (GDL, PVR, MZT, and SJD), while Braniff was awarded CUN and CZM.

I think Braniff suspended CUN and CZM before they shut down; AA took over Braniff's rights as soon as Braniff's suspension took effect.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-11-07 09:19:57 and read 2842 times.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
EA did serve ONT for a brief time in the 1970s IIRC,
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
Not sure if EA ever served SJC.

I know EA served ONT and SJC. I think both cities were served from EA's MCI hub, although ONT may have been served as a tag on MCI-SAN.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 6):
DCA Washington National
IAD Washington Dulles

DCA is obviously a typo. Eastern did serve Dulles in the early 1960s, when jets were not allowed into DCA. The EA DC-8 that crashed into Lake Pontchatrain in Feb 64 was routed MEX-MSY-ATL-Dulles-JFK.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-07 09:29:49 and read 2843 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
I know EA served ONT and SJC. I think both cities were served from EA's MCI hub, although ONT may have been served as a tag on MCI-SAN.

EA also did ONT for a short time in the mid-70s. It was a 727 LAX-ONT-ATL. That was before the MCI hub. This was back when EA did not serve SFO.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-11-07 09:42:09 and read 2844 times.

EA also did SAN-ONT-ATL during the early to mid 80s. Eastern was also the first airline to bring 757s to SAN.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: ksdelta
Posted 2012-11-07 10:29:33 and read 2845 times.

I flew non-rev numerous times from OKC-DFW on EA. We did charter flights after BN shut down. The EA flight continued on to Mia for the cruise traffic. The flight left OKC about 5:55am to DFW. I worked ATA and Adventure Tours flights out of the old Terminal D at DFW. They were mostly out of gates 18/19. Ameristar 727's, ATA 707's, ATA 727's, Global 707's. A dear friend let me help out with the Global 707's that were going to Europe via CVG. I even helped unload a BCAL flight when they were short handed and awaiting our flight from MBJ. This was of course before all the security measures now in place. I almost got in trouble with customs due to my passport being at the gate and not on my person.

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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SJCMSP
Posted 2012-11-07 12:05:49 and read 2842 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 10):
I know EA served SJC.

   I remember seeing the "757" tail at SJC when I was a kid.

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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-07 12:49:32 and read 2844 times.

Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 5):
Eastern probably did fly to Havana....before Castro. Several US airlines did.

Don't think so. I believe Pan Am, National and Delta were the only U.S. carriers with rights to Cuba. DL's rights from HOU and MSY to HAV (and a few other Caribbean points plus CCS) were inherited from the 1953 merger with Chicago & Southern. Those were DL's first international routes.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: lasairlinerenth
Posted 2012-11-07 16:30:02 and read 2843 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):

I remember this routing. At some point in 1985 I took the very short flight from SAN to ONT on one of EA's 757s; the flight was continuing on to ATL after a brief stop at ONT. Think the ticket cost me all of $20 at the time. Those days are long gone.  

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: flymia
Posted 2012-11-07 17:01:54 and read 2843 times.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
These should help. Eastern Route maps:
1972- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/972map.jpg
1981- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/581map.jpg
1982- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/582map.jpg
1983- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/783map.jpg
1984- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap6-2-84.jpg (ONT shown)
1986- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap1-1-86.jpg
1987- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images...7.jpg

Thanks for sharing that. Easterns regional services are interesting too. Ocean Reef and Punta Gorda in Florida were served once. That is pretty amazing. Along with Asuncion from MIA.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: sccutler
Posted 2012-11-07 21:01:09 and read 2842 times.

Sugar Land. They served Sugar Land. I forgot about that.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2012-11-07 21:35:37 and read 2841 times.

Eastern did serve SJC in the mid 80s with 757s from ATL.They served MEM for many years untill deregulation.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-11-07 23:19:12 and read 2845 times.

Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 16):
I took the very short flight from SAN to EA's 757s; the flight was continuing on to ATL after a brief stop at Posted 2012-11-07 23:36:48 and read 2841 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 20):
Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 16):
I took the very short flight from SAN to EA's 757s; the flight was continuing on to ATL after a brief stop at Edit Post ]

Oops! I had a slight posting problem! As I was saying, I took the same EA flight (SAN-ONT-ATL) in 1986. The
flight between SAN-ONT lasted only 20 minutes! The pilot told everyone he was going to keep the seat belt
sign lit and everyone stay in their seats, since it was such a short leg!

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-08 02:02:44 and read 2842 times.

Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 16):
I remember this routing. At some point in 1985 I took the very short flight from SAN to ONT on one of EA's 757s; the flight was continuing on to ATL after a brief stop at ONT. Think the ticket cost me all of $20 at the time. Those days are long gone
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 21):
Oops! I had a slight posting problem! As I was saying, I took the same EA flight (SAN-ONT-ATL) in 1986. The
flight between SAN-ONT lasted only 20 minutes! The pilot told everyone he was going to keep the seat belt
sign lit and everyone stay in their seats, since it was such a short leg!

I bet the 757 was a great take off experience, light with fuel, and likely passengers. I flew this same route in 1982 IIRC, on a CO 72S, flight terminated in ONT. I was the only passenger joining the flight in SAN, and with me, ,made a dozen or so people on the entire aircraft, one of my favorite short routes, Next to PDX-SEA-PDX with over 40 carriers from the past.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-11-08 03:02:23 and read 2841 times.

Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 16):

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 12):

I remember this routing. At some point in 1985 I took the very short flight from SAN to ONT on one of EA's 757s; the flight was continuing on to ATL after a brief stop at ONT. Think the ticket cost me all of $20 at the time. Those days are long gone.  

It might have been 20 USD, but those twenty bucks had a whole lot more buying power than twenty bucks have today.

The only flight I can recall on EA was MCO-ATL in 1988. It was an A300.
And then I connected to GSP on Eastern Express on a Dash-8.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: PMUA787
Posted 2012-11-08 06:36:29 and read 2841 times.

I remember EA very well at GSP back in the late 1980's. I lived a couple of miles south and west of Rwy 4-22 when it was only 7,500ft and seeing EA's DC-9's, 727's, and the occasional B757's they would run on the ATL-GSP flights. EA also had flights to GSO and LGA in addition to the flights to the ATL hub.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: ushermittwoch
Posted 2012-11-08 07:48:25 and read 2915 times.

Ooops. I meant GPT. No idea how that turned into GSP. But glad to see that they also flew there.  

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-11-08 08:10:25 and read 2923 times.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
These should help. Eastern Route maps:
1972- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/972map.jpg
1981- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/581map.jpg
1982- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/582map.jpg
1983- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/783map.jpg
1984- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap6-2-84.jpg (ONT shown)
1986- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images/routemap1-1-86.jpg
1987- http://www.virtualeastern.com/images...7.jpg

Thanks for posting these! One question: Does anyone know where EA flew from DTW in 1972? On the route maps, it looks like 5 lines (destinations) out of DTW, but none to ATL. Just curious.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-11-08 09:07:10 and read 2970 times.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 26):
Thanks for posting these! One question: Does anyone know where EA flew from DTW in 1972? On the route maps, it looks like 5 lines (destinations) out of DTW, but none to ATL. Just curious.

Departed flights shows EA's DTW nonstop schedule as of 6 Sep 1972 as:

BDA: 2x week (Sat / Sun only)
CLE: 1x day, continued to MCO and SRQ
FLL: 1x day
MIA: 1x day, went to 2x day on Nov 15. The year round nonstop continued to SJU; the flight added Nov continued to FLL.
MCO: 1x day effective Dec 13
PIT: 2x day. One flight continued to CLT and CAE, the other continued to GSO and RDU
TPA: 1x day, continued to PBI. A 2nd flight was added on Nov 14, which continued to FLL.
TOL: 1x day, continued to CMH, TPA, and FLL.

DTW-ATL was a DL monopoly route until 1978. EA applied for DTW-ATL nonstops several times, but was not awarded the route until a few months before deregulation. North Central was granted DTW-ATL nonstops at the same time EA was.

Here is a link to EA's schedule:

http://www.departedflights.com/EA090672intro.html

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: NorthStarDC4M
Posted 2012-11-08 09:14:26 and read 2962 times.

Quoting flymia (Reply 17):
Thanks for sharing that. Easterns regional services are interesting too. Ocean Reef and Punta Gorda in Florida were served once. That is pretty amazing.

PBA served some weird routes for sure... with unusual types too  

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: planeguy727
Posted 2012-11-08 09:19:35 and read 2963 times.

EA served both MLB and IAD.

In Sept 1984 I flew them MLB-ATL-IAD same plane service

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: modernart
Posted 2012-11-08 09:24:22 and read 2960 times.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 15):
I believe Pan Am, National and Delta were the only U.S. carriers with rights to Cuba.

I think Braniff as well.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-11-09 06:58:58 and read 2947 times.

Quoting modernart (Reply 30):
I think Braniff as well.

Correct.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/bn5404.htm


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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-11-09 08:42:39 and read 2957 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 22):
I bet the 757 was a great take off experience, light with fuel, and likely passengers

As I recall, that 757 took off like a rocket! I wasn't used to such a fast takeoff. That happened to be my first
ride on a 757.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: lasairlinerenth
Posted 2012-11-09 10:59:03 and read 2943 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
That happened to be my firstride on a 757.

It was my first ride on a 757, too!!

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: BlueLine
Posted 2012-11-09 13:56:18 and read 2941 times.

I remember my mother telling me that she used to fly EA into ISP, and that isn't on the list.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-11-09 20:39:42 and read 2933 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 27):
Departed flights shows EA's DTW nonstop schedule as of 6 Sep 1972 as:

BDA: 2x week (Sat / Sun only)
CLE: 1x day, continued to MCO and SRQ
FLL: 1x day
MIA: 1x day, went to 2x day on Nov 15. The year round nonstop continued to SJU; the flight added Nov continued to FLL.
MCO: 1x day effective Dec 13
PIT: 2x day. One flight continued to CLT and CAE, the other continued to GSO and RDU
TPA: 1x day, continued to PBI. A 2nd flight was added on Nov 14, which continued to FLL.
TOL: 1x day, continued to CMH, TPA, and FLL.

DTW-ATL was a DL monopoly route until 1978. EA applied for DTW-ATL nonstops several times, but was not awarded the route until a few months before deregulation. North Central was granted DTW-ATL nonstops at the same time EA was.

Here is a link to EA's schedule:

http://www.departedflights.com/EA090672intro.html

Awesome! Thanks so much!

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-10 05:46:42 and read 2936 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
As I recall, that 757 took off like a rocket! I wasn't used to such a fast takeoff. That happened to be my first
ride on a 757.
Quoting lasairlinerenth (Reply 33):
It was my first ride on a 757, too

3 for 3, My first ride on a 757, was EA from SEA to PDX, again a light load of fuel, not a bunch of passengers flying a total of 25 minutes, with a beverage service. When we were deplaning here at PDX the pilot and co-pilot saw me peering into the cockpit, I remarked "nice new bird you get to fly" They both invited me into the cockpit, and I even got to sit in the left seat for a brief period of time, while the captain told me about the plane, everything cool he could think of, this was a new bird to the fleet, and very new to SEA and PDX, and I was sold for life on the 757, one of the best commercial aviation experiences ever for me. Hey SANMAN, 66 is my number too..... 

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-11-10 07:40:41 and read 2928 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
When we were deplaning here at PDX the pilot and co-pilot saw me peering into the cockpit, I remarked "nice new bird you get to fly" They both invited me into the cockpit, and I even got to sit in the left seat for a brief period of time, while the captain told me about the plane, everything cool he could think of, this was a new bird to the fleet,


Ahhh! The good old days! I miss those days when the pilots didn't mind people visiting the cockpit to look around!  
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 32):
As I recall, that 757 took off like a rocket!


When that 757 blasted out of SAN, I thought I had left
my stomach on the runway! I was used to the gradual climb
of a 727 or DC-9, the 757 was an all new experience.
The biggest thing I enjoyed about EA was the stylized "757"
on the tails. I don't recall any other airline doing this!

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 36):
Hey SANMAN, 66 is my number too.....

LOL!   





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Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: PMUA787
Posted 2012-11-13 08:57:21 and read 2914 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 37):
Ahhh! The good old days! I miss those days when the pilots didn't mind people visiting the cockpit to look around!  

Reminds me of when I flew EA in August 1986 ALB-BDL-ATL on a B727-200. During the stop at BDL the captain invited me and my siblings to visit the cockpit and let me sit it in the left seat. Its sad how the paranoia of security has made flying from something to look forward to something to endure!

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-13 09:45:31 and read 2907 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 37):
Ahhh! The good old days! I miss those days when the pilots didn't mind people visiting the cockpit to look around!
Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 38):
Its sad how the paranoia of security has made flying from something to look forward to something to endure!

As my folks told us all growing up, enjoy it while you can, because it may not be here tomorrow. SIGH!

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 37):
The biggest thing I enjoyed about EA was the stylized "757"
on the tails. I don't recall any other airline doing this!

No other carrier I can think of took up the bulk of the tail to write 757, I still have a picture somewhere of that airplane and the 757 on the tail being very vivid. I thought it was gooney looking at first, then I rode in it, loved them ever since. EA RIP!

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: SANMAN66
Posted 2012-11-13 11:25:55 and read 2913 times.

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 38):
Its sad how the paranoia of security has made flying from something to look forward to something to endure!

The pre-TSA days!

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
No other carrier I can think of took up the bulk of the tail to write 757, I still have a picture somewhere of that airplane and the 757 on the tail being very vivid.

The "757" on the EA tails gave the airplanes a touch of class.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
I thought it was gooney looking at first, then I rode in it, loved them ever since. EA RIP!

Same here! It was just like when I first saw aircraft with winglets, I thought they looked bizarre,
but then they began to grow on me. It would have been cool to see EA 757s with winglets

[Edited 2012-11-13 11:27:40]

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: Dalmd88
Posted 2012-11-13 13:59:14 and read 2906 times.

Looking through the route maps I noticed Atlantis Airlines out of CLT. Later named Eastern Atlantis Express. I could not not find any info on this small, likely short lived operation. What type of aircraft did they fly?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-13 18:00:05 and read 2897 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 40):
It would have been cool to see EA 757s with winglets

That would have been a beautiful sight, I'd guess EA would be flying their 757's all over S. America if still flying.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2012-11-13 18:48:20 and read 2901 times.

If my fading memory is correct,Boeing paid Eastern to carry that 757 on the tail for a few years.The first aircraft flew with the standard Hockey Stick livery with the narrow stripes below the windows,but was changed before delivery.Near Easterns end a few were painted in the Hockey Stick with the wide stripes and the 757 was gone from the tail.
My first 757 ride was MIA-ATL on Eastern in 1985.The take off was exciting,but not like out of DCA on an American 757 a few years later.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-13 20:41:10 and read 2900 times.

Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Probably safe to delete Havana?

They actually had regular Constellation service to Havana from LGA and MIA up till Castro took control. As a matter of fact a funny story, my parents on their honeymoon were married in Miami Beach at a now torn down place called Lincoln Manner at the corner of Collins Ave and Lincoln road across the street from what is now the Ritz Carlton formerly the Dildo Hotel. This was September 1955. They actually took an overnight cruise to Havana. I have pictures somewhere maybe when I get a chance I'll scan and post to Face Book. That ship looked nothing like what I consider a cruise ship. It looked like a tub and their "stateroom," looked like out of an ERnest Borgnine WWII movie. The room had bunk beds! And one ladder for the entire floor/section of the boat. My dad, God rest his soul had a jacked up back so my mom got elected for the top bunk. And no one spoke English. Luckily my parents could speak some Spanish. Needless to say, they opted out of their return trip to Miami and instead flew back. I forgot if they flew an Eastern flight or if they flew an airline called Cubana. Sadly, my mom is in advanced Alzheimers so I'll never know. I believe Eastern had regular scheduled service.
As a matter of fact in the Broadway show Guys and Dolls, Nathan Detroit and I believe Sarah took a day trip to Cuba. And the line was something like: Come on lets go to Havana, it's only a four hour flight! And this was from New York.

I believe back in the I Love Lucy DAys National and even DL flew to Havana.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: WA707atMSP
Posted 2012-11-14 06:57:38 and read 2898 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 44):
Quoting timz (Thread starter):
Probably safe to delete Havana?

They actually had regular Constellation service to Havana from LGA and MIA up till Castro took control

Zippy,

Eastern did not have authority to serve HAV pre-Castro. In the 1950s, EA's only destinations in the West Indies were SJU, which EA was awarded after World War II, and BDA, which EA gained access to when they purchased Colonial Airlines in 1956.

Here is a link to EA's 1959 route map, just before Castro took power:

http://airchive.com/html/timetable-a...tables-route-maps-and-history/6837

It appears that EA aircraft did pass through HAV on the EA / BN interchange between New York and South America, using BN's authority south of MIA.

Nonstop New York City - Havana authority was held by National Airlines, which may have used Constellations on the route.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: skycub
Posted 2012-11-14 07:15:36 and read 2887 times.

Quoting Dalmd88 (Reply 41):
Looking through the route maps I noticed Atlantis Airlines out of CLT. Later named Eastern Atlantis Express. I could not not find any info on this small, likely short lived operation. What type of aircraft did they fly?

Atlantis Airlines started flying in 1979. They were originally based in Myrtle Beach and claimed to be the first airline formed after the 1978 Airline Deregulation Act.

Their IATA code was SG.

In 1980, they bought Air Carolina and moved their headquarters to Florence, SC.

They ceased operations on February 15, 1989.

Over the years, they operated Twin Otters, Swearingen Metroliners, Piper Navajo Chieftains, and British Aerospace Jetstreams.

One of their Twin Otters:

http://www.departedflights.com/SGDHT.html

November 1982 route map:

http://www.departedflights.com/SG110182.html

December 1983 route map:

http://www.departedflights.com/SG121583.html

August 1984 route map:

http://www.departedflights.com/SG121583.html

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: PMUA787
Posted 2012-11-14 08:12:03 and read 2894 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 44):
I believe back in the I Love Lucy DAys National and even DL flew to Havana.

Recently, I saw an episode of I Love Lucy when Lucy & Ricky and their neighbor friends went up to Alaska, and showed an AS DC-6 landing at OME.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-14 17:38:48 and read 2889 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 45):
Nonstop New York City - Havana authority was held by National Airlines, which may have used Constellations on the route.

They started nonstop IDL-HAV sometime between 1952 and 1954. There's nothing in a 1952 timetable. In August 1954 it was a daily DC-6 or -6B (timetable uses the same symbol for both). In September 1958 it was a daily DC-7B.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-14 18:29:53 and read 2879 times.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 45):

Thank you W for the information. You are indeed correct. But I swore those flights were Connies. I'll have to dig through my parents honeymoon pictures which are in faded beautiful black and white circa 1955. Now, thinking about it I believe they flew an airline called Cubana on the short hop from HAV to MIA. If they flew home to Baltimore that was probably Eastern though National also flew what was then BAL to MIA. They may have driven home on the old timey US Route 1. Interstate highways were not yet in operation that far back. However somewhere in old 8 MM. moldy movie reals there's a clip of me as an infant on my mom's lap flying into MIA on what looked like a Connie and it was Eastern as they had the most flights from Baltimore way back in the day. I believe that was May or June of 1957. It looked like they were in the back of the plane (not first class) but their row had seats facing each other. My folks and their bundle of joy (me) were in the forward facing seats. The rear facing ones were empty! Maybe someone can elaborate on whether Eastern Connies had rear facing seats. Or could the plane have been a DC-6 or 7?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-11-14 21:04:40 and read 2885 times.

Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 5):
Eastern probably did fly to Havana....before Castro. Several US airlines did. I don't think the Wikipedia list means to imply that the cities in the list were all flown at the time of the shut-down...just that at some time in the past, Eastern served these cities.

Viscount 724 already nailed this one. Pan Am and National flew to Havana from Miami along with Cuban national carrier that was partially owned by Pan Am, Cubana.

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 7):
They did serve MEM but only for short periods... it got added and cut about 6 times.

Incorrect here. Eastern served Memphis for years before deregulation and it was the interchange point between Easter and Braniff on through flights from Florida and Atlanta to Denver. At one time, the flight was a Convair 440 that originated in Florida and made many intermediate stops before Atlanta and then BHM between ATL and MEM. Later the flight was operated with a 727 ATL-MEM-DEN, and was the only direct flight between Denver and Atlanta until Braniff was awarded the route in the mid 70's.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 49):
Thank you W for the information. You are indeed correct. But I swore those flights were Connies. I'll have to dig through my parents honeymoon pictures which are in faded beautiful black and white circa 1955. Now, thinking about it I believe they flew an airline called Cubana on the short hop from HAV to MIA. If they flew home to Baltimore that was probably Eastern though National also flew what was then BAL to MIA. They may have driven home on the old timey US Route 1. Interstate highways were not yet in operation that far back. However somewhere in old 8 MM. moldy movie reals there's a clip of me as an infant on my mom's lap flying into MIA on what looked like a Connie and it was Eastern as they had the most flights from Baltimore way back in the day. I believe that was May or June of 1957. It looked like they were in the back of the plane (not first class) but their row had seats facing each other. My folks and their bundle of joy (me) were in the forward facing seats. The rear facing ones were empty! Maybe someone can elaborate on whether Eastern Connies had rear facing seats. Or could the plane have been a DC-6 or 7?

National Airlines also flew L-1049H Connies. The Super Connies had some seats that faced each other like the DC-6B in the forward compartment. First Class was in the back of the plane on two class prop airliners, but Eastern in the 1950's did not operate dual class equipment. At one time, Captain Eddie was flying L-649/749 Connie with five across seating and charging first class fares. Eastern flew a small fleet of DC-6B's from about 1957 to 1962 and they were used between NYC and SJU. They flew every Connie model except the L-1649, as they leased some TWA L-049's in the mid 1950's. (L-049, L-649, L-749, L-1049, L-1049C, L-1049G, L-1049H (cargo only).

Eastern served both Greenville (GRL) and Spartenburg (SPA) before the GSP airport was built, as well as RMG, Rome, GA, OCF Ocala, FL; ; and other smaller cities in like Waycross (AYS) GA, and Albany ABY, GA. Many of these cities such as RMG and OCF lasted into 1970 and only ended with the retirement of the Convair 440's.

Also missing from that list are many of the former Colonial Airlines points, again some transferred to Mohawk along with some Martin 404's but some like RDG and LNS, Reading and Lancaster, PA lasted into 1970 as well. Cities transferred to Mohawk were Glen Falls, GFL, Massena, MSS, and other northern NY points between Albany and Ottawa. In fact, in 1963 or 1964, Eastern pulled out of Albany and did not return until after deregulation.

[Edited 2012-11-14 21:11:08]

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-14 21:35:59 and read 2874 times.

Eastern also flew into Wilmington, DE. along with UA.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-15 03:44:33 and read 2880 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 51):
along with UA.

Ah the first to fly to all 50 states, days at UA. The 80's were a great time in aviation history.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-11-15 06:34:11 and read 2882 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 51):
Eastern also flew into Wilmington, DE. along with UA.

Eastern flew into Wilmington until the 1970's, including using DC-9 aircraft. United entered the market long after Eastern was gone as part of their 50 State strategy. Eastern also flew into ACY and HVN. And yes, United also flew into HVN for a short time as well in the 80's, long after Eastern was gone.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: PMUA787
Posted 2012-11-15 06:44:21 and read 2875 times.

What were some of the routes that EA flew the Electra in the late 60's - early 70's before they were delegated to Shuttle back-up service?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: BoeingGuy
Posted 2012-11-15 07:42:35 and read 2873 times.

Quoting PMUA787 (Reply 54):
What were some of the routes that EA flew the Electra in the late 60's - early 70's before they were delegated to Shuttle back-up service?

I believe the last EA Electra route outside the Northeast Corridor was MIA-Vero Beach-TPA. So there's another former-EA city.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: cf6ppe
Posted 2012-11-15 10:36:10 and read 2876 times.

IIRC, the L188 Electras left the EAL fleet in the fall of 1977; i.e., about the same time as the arrivals of the A300B4s. At the time I thought that was a fair exchange of frame types.

Somewhere in the mid 1970s, EAL operated a sort of shuttle MIA to NAS. Amazingly, the block times for the Electras was no more than B727 block times. The Electras climbed to a FL150 cruise altitude and could operate on visual flight rules. MIA NAS is 184 miles.

This lone L188 frame was later returned to the northeast shuttle operation as the BOS maintenance folks knew how to keep them going.

I've made the MIA NAS trip several times on the A300B4s to observe cockpit powerplant gauges. I always enjoyed the views from the forward jump seat.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2012-11-15 15:38:17 and read 2870 times.

Eastern also used some L1049Hs in passenger service with aircraft leased from Seaboard in the late 1950s.
In Alabama,Eastern served MSL and DHN untill about 1963.The Atlanta service from these cities was taken from Eastern and given to Southern in 1960.Also MSL-MEM and HSV -ATL went to Southern at the same time.Eastern kept the north-south routes throug these cites with Martins and Convairs.The route was a multi stop MIA-MDW round trip.They added MSY,MOB,BHM,HSV-ORD roundtrip in 1962 with Electras and ORL-HSV and HSV-STL over the next two years.Huntsville cotinued to grow untill the early 70s when service reductions started and Eastern pulled out in 1979 only to return in 1983.Service to MSL and DHN went to Southern on the north -south routes in the mid 60s.
Sparky

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: zippyjet
Posted 2012-11-17 19:35:19 and read 2855 times.

Quoting milesrich (Reply 53):

I never knew that. What equipment and cities did Eastern fly from ACY? Then was Eastern the first commercial carrier to serve ACY when the facility transferred from a Federal facility to commercial airport?

Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 57):
Eastern kept the north-south routes throug these cites with Martins and Convairs.The route was a multi stop MIA-MDW round trip.

You're kidding! Flying that trip from MIA to MDW must have forever. Were these flights primarily 202's or 404's? And with the Convairs which did these trips the 330 or 340? What was the block and timetable schedule times for these "milk run scenic route flights?"

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: milesrich
Posted 2012-11-18 00:10:12 and read 2854 times.

Quoting zippyjet (Reply 58):
You're kidding! Flying that trip from MIA to MDW must have forever. Were these flights primarily 202's or 404's? And with the Convairs which did these trips the 330 or 340? What was the block and timetable schedule times for these "milk run scenic route flights?"

Eastern never flew the Martin, nor did they ever operate the CV-340, except for the Caribair birds that they acquired with that carrier but I think all of those had been converted to CV-640 RR Dart Power before the merger/acquisition. They had 60 Martin 404's and 20 Convair 440's that were acquired after the Colonial Airlines acquisition to replace that carriers DC-4's and DC-3's, in 1957. In January of 1962, ACY was served by EA and an intermediate stop between EWR and DCA with Martin 404's. I think the only other aircraft that Eastern used to serve ACY was the DC-3 before the introduction of the Martin in 1950 or 1951. The Martins were all gone by 1963 and only a few of them were repainted in the scheme used to introduce the B-720 and B-727 before they were all retired, many going to Mohawk, (along with some routes), Southern, and Piedmont. The Convairs were the last piston powered aircraft at Eastern and were finally retired in 1970. With the retirement of the Convairs, so also came the end of service at RMG and OCF, service that was not replaced by another carrier.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: RWA380
Posted 2012-11-18 03:40:31 and read 2858 times.

Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 40):
The "757" on the EA tails gave the airplanes a touch of class.
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 39):
No other carrier I can think of took up the bulk of the tail to write 757, I still have a picture somewhere of that airplane and the 757 on the tail being very vivid.
Quoting SANMAN66 (Reply 37):
The biggest thing I enjoyed about EA was the stylized "757"
on the tails. I don't recall any other airline doing this!
Quoting sparky35805 (Reply 43):
If my fading memory is correct,Boeing paid Eastern to carry that 757 on the tail for a few years.The first aircraft flew with the standard Hockey Stick livery with the narrow stripes below the windows,but was changed before delivery.

Here are a few great examples of a beauty in action, the second one is taken at SAN, flight was enroute to ONT & ATL

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=3678406e27678e690ae9c1bc1d17de88

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=3678406e27678e690ae9c1bc1d17de88

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-11-18 07:42:22 and read 2849 times.

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 60):
Here are a few great examples of a beauty in action, the second one is taken at SAN, flight was enroute to ATL

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=3678406e27678e690ae9c1bc1d17de88

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Easte...d=3678406e27678e690ae9c1bc1d17de88

That was a beauty! I remember seeing those in ATL. Forgive my ignorance, but is that what they referred to as the "swizzle stick" design or the "hockey stick"? I guess I'd have to see the 2 together to see the difference.

[Edited 2012-11-18 07:43:26]

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: delta2ual
Posted 2012-11-18 07:57:45 and read 2847 times.

I thought of another question that I know someone on here will know the answer to: In ATL, what is the reason for the sloping of the B concourse? I know it was shared by DL and EA. Wasn't it sloped because of EA's baggage system?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: sparky35805
Posted 2012-11-18 09:23:55 and read 2846 times.

Eastern retired the Martins during the flight engineers strike in the summer of 1962.Some of the pilots were retrained as pilot-engineers for four engine equipment.
On the multi stop north south routes,flight 180 left MIA at 655A.Stops were PBI,ORL,TLH,DHN,MGM,BHM,HSV,BNA,SDF,IND,arriving MDW at612P.
Flt 181 left MDW at 1015A.Stops were IND,SDF,BNA,HSV,BHM,MGM,DHN,TLH,TPA,arriving at MIA 906P.This flight at times also stopped at SRQ.Eastern had many other multi stop trips with Martins and Convairs throughout the 50s,into the early 60s.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: KC135TopBoom
Posted 2012-11-18 09:57:25 and read 2848 times.

Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 1):
Actually, we did fly to Havana several times, although not scheduled flights....LOLOLOLO
Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 5):
Eastern probably did fly to Havana....before Castro. Several US airlines did.

Yeap, from the end of WWII to about 1957. It was under the Eddie Rickenbacker age for EA.

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: timz
Posted 2012-11-18 13:59:47 and read 2844 times.

Nobody's found a timetable showing EA at Havana, have they?

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: Viscount724
Posted 2012-11-18 16:29:01 and read 2846 times.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 64):
Quoting EASTERN747 (Reply 1):
Actually, we did fly to Havana several times, although not scheduled flights....LOLOLOLO
Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 5):
Eastern probably did fly to Havana....before Castro. Several US airlines did.

Yeap, from the end of WWII to about 1957. It was under the Eddie Rickenbacker age for EA.

As far as I know EA never had rights to serve Cuba. They did have a few dozen hijackings to Cuba as mentioned above, like most other U.S. carriers. Most of the successful ones below. There were quite a few other unsuccessful attempts.
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19610724-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19680920-2
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681123-1
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681130-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19681219-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690102-3
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690109-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690119-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690128-1
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690203-1
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690210-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690225-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690622-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690628-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19690907-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19700216-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19700922-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19701113-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19710331-2
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19710421-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19710903-1
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19711009-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19721029-1
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800816-2
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800826-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19800908-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19810710-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19830519-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19830614-0
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19830719-1

Topic: RE: Cities Eastern Air Lines Flew To? (Wikipedia)
Username: maxpower1954
Posted 2012-11-18 20:44:20 and read 2844 times.

As noted - Eastern never operated scheduled flights into Havana.

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ea50/ea50-01.jpg

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ea/ea55/ea55-01.jpg

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/ea/ea58/ea58-01.jpg

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttimages/complete/ea60/ea60-02.jpg

[Edited 2012-11-18 20:56:45]


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